Boy With Brain Tumour Taken From Hospital

[lily.]

Police have launched a major investigation to find a boy with a brain tumour, taken without consent from hospital by his parents.

Hampshire Constabulary said "there are serious concerns" for the life of Ashya King as he needs constant medical care.

Officers said his parents - Brett King, 51, and Naghemeh King, 45, - boarded a cross-Channel ferry from Portsmouth to Cherbourg at 4pm yesterday.

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Ashya King needs constant medical attention, police say

The parents went with Ashya's six siblings, officers said.

Police said Ashya was taken from Southampton General Hospital at around 2pm yesterday by his family, who live in St David's Road, Southsea, Portsmouth.

CCTV images captured the moment the boy was wheeled out of the hospital, apparently by his father.

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Hampshire Police have launched a social media campaign to find Ashya

Ashya is still likely to be in a wheelchair or buggy, he cannot communicate verbally and is immobile, a police spokesman said.

The family are travelling in a grey-coloured Hyundai I800 Style CRDI, registration KP60 HWK, and they are still believed to be in France.

Police said they arrived in France at 8pm local time last night.

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Mother Naghemeh King is believed to be in France

Hampshire Constabulary said: "We are working with our counterparts in France to activate their emergency child rescue alert procedures to locate the family as soon as possible.

"If we do not locate Ashya today there are serious concerns for his life.

"He is receiving constant medical care within the UK due to recent surgery and ongoing medical issues.

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Father Brett King is thought to have taken the boy from hospital

"Without this specialist 24-hour care Ashya is at risk of additional health complications which place him at substantial risk."

Detective Superintendent Dick Pearson, of the Hampshire Major Investigation Team, said: "He needs to be taken to a medical facility for his urgent health requirements as soon as he is located.

"We have also launched a social media appeal and would urge everyone to share this appeal, particularly if you have friends and relatives in France and bordering countries."

Anyone with information about Ashya's whereabouts should contact Hampshire Constabulary on 101, quoting Operation Aquilion.

Source: Sky News (http://news.sky.com/story/1326571/boy-with-brain-tumour-taken-from-hospital)

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Apparently they're taking him to France. If it's for medical purposes that they've done it then i'm not against it as French doctors are generally better than English ones. And my fam and I are considering doing the same for a fam member going through stuff.

[arista]

Jehovah's Witness parents


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/29/article-2737458-20E55E4F00000578-145_964x398.jpg

[T*]

All their children will be put into care; They will be arrested and the boy might've died by the time they find him. All because of a book.

[Livia]

If Jehovah's Witnesses want to believe they should refuse treatment, that's their right. But if they are refusing treatment on religious grounds for their child, the courts will rightly step in. I can't comprehend someone allowing their faith to deny their child the lifesaving treatment they need.

[AnnieK]

There has been a spokesman from the Jehovah's witnesses who has said That there is No indication that the decision is in anyway motivated by religious convictions.....

[arista]

There has been a spokesman from the Jehovah's witnesses who has said That there is No indication that the decision is in anyway motivated by religious convictions.....



I do not trust any crap they say.

[JoshBB]

All their children will be put into care; They will be arrested and the boy might've died by the time they find him. All because of a book.

Religion really is dangerous.

[Livia]

There has been a spokesman from the Jehovah's witnesses who has said That there is No indication that the decision is in anyway motivated by religious convictions.....

Can't imagine why they'd take him away for any other reason though... it's a strange one.


Religion really is dangerous.

Josh, you really shouldn't try to push all religions and religious people into the same pigeon hole.

[lily.]

I doubt this has anything to do with the family's religion. The reason I say that is because he already underwent brain surgery. The JW religion forbids blood transfusions, and there is always blood transfused during such a surgery, is there not?

I feel if the decision was religion based, he would have received little or no treatment.

I'm beginning to wonder if the boy has almost no survival chance, and they wish to either try alternative medicines, or to have him die peacefully at home, rather than continue with aggressive treatment.

I think at this stage, nobody really knows. The family may come forward in time and explain their decision.

[T*]

He's been found in spain.

[lily.]

Have they established why the parents took him.. ?

[arista]

Missing Five-Year-Old Ashya King Found In Spain


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http://news.sky.com/story/1327194/missing-five-year-old-ashya-king-found-in-spain

[Jords]

Found!

[lily.]

Bless him... It breaks my heart to see kids going through this kind of thing.

[Lee.]

Here's his dad's explanation;

14ETQn9ZPwk

[Angelika]

Apparently the parents were told by the medical staff that there was nothing more they could do for the child and that his condition was terminal. I can't really understand why there is such an outcry in the media and a huge manhunt ..........what will arresting the parents achieve beyond criminalizing grieving parents and family members.

I couldn't believe the story about the battery, that was meant to fire up emotion in the public. Tube feeding was always done per Ryles Tube and a syringe. No batteries needed.
The child is dying and he should be allowed to do so peacefully at home with his loving and supportive family.

This looks like a very vindictive move by the authorities and I do not approve. We all are entitled to a dignified death surrounded by loved ones.

[Angelika]

I doubt this has anything to do with the family's religion. The reason I say that is because he already underwent brain surgery. The JW religion forbids blood transfusions, and there is always blood transfused during such a surgery, is there not?

I feel if the decision was religion based, he would have received little or no treatment.

I'm beginning to wonder if the boy has almost no survival chance, and they wish to either try alternative medicines, or to have him die peacefully at home, rather than continue with aggressive treatment.

I think at this stage, nobody really knows. The family may come forward in time and explain their decision.

Exactly!

The hype about JW religion was to stoke up support for this unbelievably insane man-hunt. They were being totally disingenuous. But the media often are......:bawling:

[Angelika]

If Jehovah's Witnesses want to believe they should refuse treatment, that's their right. But if they are refusing treatment on religious grounds for their child, the courts will rightly step in. I can't comprehend someone allowing their faith to deny their child the lifesaving treatment they need.

Most JW parents are sensible and know the law can be invoked to protect their child.

This child is beyond medical help - the doctors have already declared they can offer no further treatment. At this point patients are sent home to die or if family can't cope to a Hospice.

[Kizzy]

The family were facing radiotherapy according to the vid, another child with medulloblastoma Neon Roberts mother wanted proton therapy but it isn't available here on the NHS.

'The Imperial Cancer Research and the Cancer Research Campaign (now both merged into UK Cancer Research) in response to the Act, said that they would probably be in breach of the Act since they discuss cancer treatment all the time. However because they pushed through £millions per year in funding of research they were going to ignore the consequences – which have never been pressed…
Over the next 30 years or so, with the introduction of the NHS, the government’s responsibilities under the Cancer Act 1939 were replaced. The majority of the Act’s clauses were replaced. Finally the only clause left was one that prevented open discussion of treatments by interested lay people. What was originally an Act in the name of Public Health and with the intention of curing people… now is only used to shut people up…'

http://sallyrobertsourstory.wordpress.com/sally-roberts-story/

[arista]

Here's his dad's explanation;

14ETQn9ZPwk



Yes they are Not Criminals
just wanted Prot.B treatment for their child.
only in Spain.



I do not understand
why the Hospital in the UK did not know all this.




That UK Copper in Charge is Hiding all these Facts
the utter ponce

11:15AM is the next Police Feck up talk
I hope the press update them.

[Jamesy]

I'm surprised such a large manhunt came out of this. I don't quite understand what the authorities reason would be for that, as they haven't committed a crime, and parents have the final say on what happens with the care of their child.

When an adult refuses medical treatment there are no laws against it. If you refuse it or leave the hospital then there's nothing the hospital or the authorities can do.

Unless there are some rules regarding children with illnesses in healthcare that I'm unaware of.

[JoshBB]

Here's his dad's explanation;

14ETQn9ZPwk

Thank you so much for sharing. I am really angry that the media spread such lies, can't believe that.

[arista]

So much is more clear now
he went to Spain to sell his Spanish property fast
to fund the Prot.B meds treatment.

He said he could not tell Southampton Hosp.
as they would put a court order to stop that.
Nasty NHS.

[arista]

Thank you so much for sharing. I am really angry that the media spread such lies, can't believe that.



Josh
you are so Wrong its the Police and NHS
that did that
the media only first got ,what the Stupid Police Boss
and Nasty NHS
said.



Check any Media now
we get the Truth.

[Angelika]

Stupid Police Boss
and Nasty NHS
said.

I am appalled and disgusted by the actions of the medical staff, NHS,Police and the media for demonising the parents and causing huge distress to the family.
What a disaster for the family.

[user104658]

I am appalled and disgusted by the actions of the medical staff, NHS,Police and the media for demonising the parents and causing huge distress to the family.
What a disaster for the family.

I'm also appalled and disgusted, but unfortunately, far from surprised. You are not "allowed" to go against those in positions of authority in this country. If you do so, you will be punished, in one way or another. If it can't be through legal channels, then the pack of hounds that is the British press will be set on you.

[Sticks]

Sorry but those parents should be charged with child endangerment and that boy bought back to the UK.

He should not get proton beam quack therapy because the UK doctors said he should not have it and we should trust their more informed decisions. The doctors here have more experience of treating cancer than those criminally irresponsible parents, and they deemed it inappropriate which is why they refused to allow it.

Lets hope there is a permanent order banning them for life from contacting all their children to make an example of them.

Children need to be protected from those who advocate quack alternative therapies which have not been proven.

[Kizzy]

Or.... they don't want us knowing that there are treatments they're too expensive.

It's not quackery http://www.christie.nhs.uk/about-the-christie/our-ambitions-developments/new-developments/proton-beam-therapy.aspx

[arista]

I am appalled and disgusted by the actions of the medical staff, NHS,Police and the media for demonising the parents and causing huge distress to the family.
What a disaster for the family.



Wrong
The media were only given info from Police and NHS


Now the Media has the Full Story

[arista]

Or.... they don't want us knowing that there are treatments they're too expensive.

It's not quackery http://www.christie.nhs.uk/about-the-christie/our-ambitions-developments/new-developments/proton-beam-therapy.aspx



Kizzy the dad wants to sell his 2nd home there
of course he Locked Away now

[Sticks]

The UK medical expert on the Radio 4 news said it was not the appropriate treatment for that condition, which makes it quack therapyif it were to be so used for that condition.

If Southampton PCT refused it and threatened child protection orders if the father kept harassing them about it, then they had good and excellent reasons to refuse it and to carry one with proven treatments, even if such treatments were to be just palliative until nature took it's course.

We should be on the side of the medical profession here, who know a lot more than this father about it.

As for that YouTube video, it should be taken down as it is justifying criminal action just like they, I hope, take down those videos from suicide bombers.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy the dad wants to sell his 2nd home there
of course he Locked Away now

Yes I'm aware of that but not all parents with sick kids have 2nd homes to flog do they?

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-08-31/ashya-kings-parents-held-after-missing-boy-found-in-spain/

[Kizzy]

The UK medical expert on the Radio 4 news said it was not the appropriate treatment for that condition, which makes it quack therapyif it were to be so used for that condition.

If Southampton PCT refused it and threatened child protection orders if the father kept harassing them about it, then they had good and excellent reasons to refuse it and to carry one with proven treatments, even if such treatments were to be just palliative until nature took it's course.

We should be on the side of the medical profession here, who know a lot more than this father about it.

As for that YouTube video, it should be taken down as it is justifying criminal action just like they, I hope, take down those videos from suicide bombers.

It is used and has previously been used for this condition, the family wished to fund the treatment privately I don't feel that effectively giving a child a death sentence is an acceptable level of care though so we don't agree here clearly.

[user104658]

The UK medical expert on the Radio 4 news said it was not the appropriate treatment for that condition, which makes it quack therapyif it were to be so used for that condition.

If Southampton PCT refused it and threatened child protection orders if the father kept harassing them about it, then they had good and excellent reasons to refuse it and to carry one with proven treatments, even if such treatments were to be just palliative until nature took it's course.

We should be on the side of the medical profession here, who know a lot more than this father about it.

As for that YouTube video, it should be taken down as it is justifying criminal action just like they, I hope, take down those videos from suicide bombers.

I've been directly (myself and immediate family) on the receiving end of the NHS "professionals" getting it COMPLETELY WRONG, on major occasions, no less than 7 times in the last 5 years. They DON'T always "know better"... In fact, half of the time they have absolutely no idea what they're on about. I have very little trust in them now, and dread to think what might happen if one of my children got ill and I disagreed with one of their "experts".

[Sticks]

There was obviously a good reason why the doctors at Southampton believed it should not be used and considered the child protection order when the father kept insisting.

Those doctors know more about cancer treatment of children than these criminally irresponsible parents, or you and I.

We need to trust the judgement of proper experts.

[Kizzy]

I agree with you in theory but when you see others being treated successfully in other countries I can't blame parents for seeking treatment if they have the means to do so.

If the alternative is death then where's the harm?

[Angelika]

Sorry but those parents should be charged with child endangerment and that boy bought back to the UK.

He should not get proton beam quack therapy because the UK doctors said he should not have it and we should trust their more informed decisions. The doctors here have more experience of treating cancer than those criminally irresponsible parents, and they deemed it inappropriate which is why they refused to allow it.

Lets hope there is a permanent order banning them for life from contacting all their children to make an example of them.

Children need to be protected from those who advocate quack alternative therapies which have not been proven.

You sound like you were part of Aysher's medical team with such intimate knowledge of his care. Produce your evidence showing Proton Beam Therapy to be quackery, lets examine it!

Till then, I believe the parents have a right to choose and the medical specialist should have referred the child for a second opinion as soon as it was requested by the parents.

[Angelika]

There was obviously a good reason why the doctors at Southampton believed it should not be used and considered the child protection order when the father kept insisting.

Those doctors know more about cancer treatment of children than these criminally irresponsible parents, or you and I.

We need to trust the judgement of proper experts.

No, we need to question the treatment offered and demand proper answers.
In time the doctors concerned may be brought before a peer review.

[Sticks]

What happens in other countries is not relevant here. For a treatment to be condone here it must be approved of by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (https://www.nice.org.uk/)

Then it needs to be approved of by the PCT. Let us not forget that there are other patients and the NHS is not a bottomless pit. Hard choices have to be made for the good of the whole

[Kizzy]

What happens in other countries is not relevant here. For a treatment to be condone here it must be approved of by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (https://www.nice.org.uk/)

Then it needs to be approved of by the PCT. Let us not forget that there are other patients and the NHS is not a bottomless pit. Hard choices have to be made for the good of the whole

Which comes back to my original point that it could simply be a funding issue.
It is relevant as the focus is was there a treatment available... There is.

Where it is is irrelevant, it isn't unusual for people to be sent away for treatment.

this practice has been approved and used previously, I posted a link to a facility currently in use.

[Angelika]

I've been directly (myself and immediate family) on the receiving end of the NHS "professionals" getting it COMPLETELY WRONG, on major occasions, no less than 7 times in the last 5 years. They DON'T always "know better"... In fact, half of the time they have absolutely no idea what they're on about. I have very little trust in them now, and dread to think what might happen if one of my children got ill and I disagreed with one of their "experts".

And I agree with you wholeheartedly!

[hijaxers]

I'm also appalled and disgusted, but unfortunately, far from surprised. You are not "allowed" to go against those in positions of authority in this country. If you do so, you will be punished, in one way or another. If it can't be through legal channels, then the pack of hounds that is the British press will be set on you.

How right you are - it does of course depend on personal and or friends experiences of the NHS in this country ! for those of us who find it difficult to get a doctors app nevermind a diagnosis ( and people i've known have died due to lack of proper attention by doctors) and then when you get a diagnosis will the NHS fund the treatment you need ? If they won't any family would do the very best they can to get the best treatment for their loved one. Seems to me we are being given some of the facts in this case BUT these parents should not be removed from their child ! The police are defending their actions - but .......
Everyone on this forum should listen to the Andrew Landsley rap by NxtGen
( bit dated) but so true of whats happening to the NHS in this country. Check out his Torie rap to

[Kizzy]

Dl1jPqqTdNo

[user104658]

There was obviously a good reason why the doctors at Southampton believed it should not be used and considered the child protection order when the father kept insisting.

Those doctors know more about cancer treatment of children than these criminally irresponsible parents, or you and I.

We need to trust the judgement of proper experts.

Most likely scenario? High cost of treatment vs low chance of success, so they would rather "make him comfortable" and let him die. No parent in their right mind would accept that.

[user104658]

What happens in other countries is not relevant here. For a treatment to be condone here it must be approved of by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (https://www.nice.org.uk/)

Then it needs to be approved of by the PCT. Let us not forget that there are other patients and the NHS is not a bottomless pit. Hard choices have to be made for the good of the whole

Are you a parent? I'm guessing not. Because if you think I would allow one if my daughters to die "for the good of the whole", you are massively mistaken. I would watch all of you burn. ****... I would light the match.

[AnnieK]

Are you a parent? I'm guessing not. Because if you think I would allow one if my daughters to die "for the good of the whole", you are massively mistaken. I would watch all of you burn. ****... I would light the match.

:clap2: Me also for my son....

[Benjamin]

What happens in other countries is not relevant here. For a treatment to be condone here it must be approved of by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (https://www.nice.org.uk/)

Then it needs to be approved of by the PCT. Let us not forget that there are other patients and the NHS is not a bottomless pit. Hard choices have to be made for the good of the whole

Yes the NHS isn't a bottomless pit, hence why many treatments are not available on it, even if they are successful treatments. But you are right about choices, hard choices do have to be made, and the parents have a choice about how they want to treat their child and they have chosen something that the NHS does not and will not offer. They are in a horrid situation, they are acting to try and save their child in any means they can because they do not want to lose him and time is of the essence. That does not make them criminals and you should be ashamed at yourself and your absolutely disgusting viewpoint on this matter.

[arista]

Yes the NHS isn't a bottomless pit, hence why many treatments are not available on it, even if they are successful treatments. But you are right about choices, hard choices do have to be made, and the parents have a choice about how they want to treat their child and they have chosen something that the NHS does not and will not offer. They are in a horrid situation, they are acting to try and save their child in any means they can because they do not want to lose him and time is of the essence. That does not make them criminals and you should be ashamed at yourself and your absolutely disgusting viewpoint on this matter.


Yes That Police Boss
has it all wrong
and he is standing by his actions


No Neglect
at all.
They just want a better treatment than the NHS can give

[lily.]

Here's his dad's explanation;

14ETQn9ZPwk

Very interesting Lee. Thanks for posting.

This whole thing has been blown out of proportion. That man, with everything he is going through right now, has had to make a 10 minute video to explain how he tried to make a decision for his son's health, one he was happy to fun with his own money, and UK doctors stood in his way.

Unfortunately I know from close family experience that doctors and consultants don't know everything. They don't always know best. They don't always get it right. They're only human. Nobody ought to put them on a pedestal. They're educated professionals, but they're not above getting it wrong.

Assuming Mr King is telling the truth in this video (and I have no reason to suspect otherwise), the professionals in charge of Ashya's care should have listened to his concerns, and offered advice, but they should not have forbidden him from taking his son to a different country to seek alternative treatment. The child protection laws should not have that much power. The family were planning to use their own money to fund a treatment which is available elsewhere. In my view the doctors here should have allowed the parents to discharge the child 'against medical advice'.

Social workers and police ought to use their time sorting out the all the junkie messes we see on our streets every day who are dragging up their children, instead of going after the family of a very sick child who wish to take extraordinary measures to save his life.

Also, I completely understand his reluctance to use high doses of radiotherapy. I have seen the damage that does first hand (to an adult) and it should only be used as a last resort.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/01/article-2739200-20F4111600000578-326_634x417.jpg
[Arrested: Brett and Naghmeh King (pictured being pushed into a police car outside Velez Malaga police station)
will appear before a Madrid court today, accused of neglecting their dying five-year-old son Ashya]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739200/Pictured-Parents-Ashya-leave-court-transfer-Madrid-grandmother-five-year-old-attacks-police-arresting-couple.html#ixzz3C3Yckb7w


I hope the Spanish Judge lets them go.

[Angelika]

There was obviously a good reason why the doctors at Southampton believed it should not be used and considered the child protection order when the father kept insisting.

Those doctors know more about cancer treatment of children than these criminally irresponsible parents, or you and I.

We need to trust the judgement of proper experts.

Patients and parents of patients don't have to blindly accept the judgement of one medical practitioner - the medical practitioner is obliged to refer a patient for a second opinion when requested. It's not up to the doctor to decide his opinion is the only opinion worthy of notice.

There will be investigations in time and the NHS and staff including doctors will have to account for their actions and the stories given to the police regarding the patient and his his family.

[Z]

I feel sorry for the King family. These are the actions of parents who are desperate to get their little boy to treatment that might save his life, no police authority or hospital should be standing in the way of that. It's a disgrace. They have my full sympathy and support and I think some of the views expressed in this thread are extremely cold hearted and wrong.

[Angelika]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/01/article-2739200-20F4111600000578-326_634x417.jpg
[Arrested: Brett and Naghmeh King (pictured being pushed into a police car outside Velez Malaga police station)
will appear before a Madrid court today, accused of neglecting their dying five-year-old son Ashya]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739200/Pictured-Parents-Ashya-leave-court-transfer-Madrid-grandmother-five-year-old-attacks-police-arresting-couple.html#ixzz3C3Yckb7w


I hope the Spanish Judge lets them go.

I sincerely hope someone decides to take the right decisions going forward for this young child now languishing in a foreign hospital without his family. He's probably very distressed and confused at suddenly been abandoned.

For God's Sake, let the parents go, they haven't done anything wrong!

[Kizzy]

What on earth are they doing?!...

http://namastepublishing.co.uk/the-stranglehold-that-the-uk-1939-cancer-act-exerts-in-great-britain/

[Tom4784]

God I hope this family sues the living **** of everyone involved in this mess.

[AnnieK]

What??? They are taking parents away from a terminally ill child.....I have heard everything now....unbelievable. What that child must be going through now....I believe he is unable to communicate himself so he must be distraught.....

[Sticks]

So which medical school did this father graduate from?

Look at it this way, a child is dying, so the parents want to try the latest thing they have read about in some magazine or off of that bastion of absolute and error free truth, the internet.

The parents then want to remove the child from a hospital where they are getting the best treatment the clinicians have devised to chase after some quack cure that they have half read about off of the internet, or some charlatan snake oil salesman is peddling.

The child is the patient and not the parent.

The doctor needs to protect the child from treatments that are unproven, will not work or even make the condition worse, even if that means protecting the child, from their own parents by use of the law.

Also they will also have in mind, other child patients, and if they allow one set of parents to discharge their child against medical advice to run after a quack treatment, then this will set a dangerous precedent putting more children at risk from well meaning parents wanting to try unproven quack treatments.

Even if the treatment is not in itself quackery and is used in one area, it may not be appropriate for another condition. Listening to the clinician last night on the radio news, proton beam therapy is not the right treatment for this child.

By not following medical advice, these parents are guilty of criminal child neglect, if not child endangerment.

[Northern Monkey]

This is awful!If either of my 2 kids got ill like this and the NHS gave up on them i would do anything i could to save them!They need to look at the parents motives behind this,which are saving their child!Their child is their number 1 priority!How can they be charged with neglect??

[Sticks]

Simple, they removed their child from hospital against medical advice

[arista]

Simple, they removed their child from hospital against medical advice


Wrong
they had no choice time was running out

[anne666]

What??? They are taking parents away from a terminally ill child.....I have heard everything now....unbelievable. What that child must be going through now....I believe he is unable to communicate himself so he must be distraught.....

It's shocking to do such a thing. His brother was hoping to see him this afternoon.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29009883


The Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, Czech Republic, which received a request from Brett King on 20 August, said it can treat Ashya immediately if he is eligible.

Iva Tatounova, director of strategy at PTC Czech, said: "The centre is keen on starting the treatment in a few days. The costs would be dealt with later on."

She said the centre would need the necessary medical documentation before they could agree on the appropriateness of treatment, which usually costs £60,000 - £65,000 for children.

The law has to let this drop FGS and let them take him immediately.

[Sticks]

Portsmouth Council are making the child a ward of court, so luckily he will be back in the UK ASAP and that will be the end of this nonsense about proton beam therapy. A clinician has already said it is not the appropriate treatment for this child.

[dojo88]

The blooming NHS should be held by the police, the NHS are KILLERS!!!!

NHS=Neglectful Human Slaughterers :mad: :mad:

Hopefully his parents will try for another baby so that they can live a happy life after he eventually passes away. :)

[user104658]

So which medical school did this father graduate from?

Look at it this way, a child is dying, so the parents want to try the latest thing they have read about in some magazine or off of that bastion of absolute and error free truth, the internet.

The parents then want to remove the child from a hospital where they are getting the best treatment the clinicians have devised to chase after some quack cure that they have half read about off of the internet, or some charlatan snake oil salesman is peddling.

The child is the patient and not the parent.

The doctor needs to protect the child from treatments that are unproven, will not work or even make the condition worse, even if that means protecting the child, from their own parents by use of the law.

Also they will also have in mind, other child patients, and if they allow one set of parents to discharge their child against medical advice to run after a quack treatment, then this will set a dangerous precedent putting more children at risk from well meaning parents wanting to try unproven quack treatments.

Even if the treatment is not in itself quackery and is used in one area, it may not be appropriate for another condition. Listening to the clinician last night on the radio news, proton beam therapy is not the right treatment for this child.

By not following medical advice, these parents are guilty of criminal child neglect, if not child endangerment.

Blind conformity to the nanny state, succinctly defined in one post.

[Kizzy]

They had the right to request a second opinion, it's their money if they wanted to try the therapy then that should be their right.
It's basically the same thing as was being offered in the UK, radiation therapy.. except proton beams don't penetrate through tumours.

[anne666]

Portsmouth Council are making the child a ward of court, so luckily he will be back in the UK ASAP and that will be the end of this nonsense about proton beam therapy. A clinician has already said it is not the appropriate treatment for this child.

How dare they!!! That bloody hospital has a lot to answer for here and I hope they are held to account. Since when has it become a crime or immoral for parents to seek out treatment they HOPE may benefit their own child? As for "a Clinician has said", he is not to be questioned? Since when and who is he, God? Try putting yourself in the parent's shoes. They refuse to give up hope and good for them. We aren't all nannied into submission, thank goodness.

[AnnieK]

Portsmouth Council are making the child a ward of court, so luckily he will be back in the UK ASAP and that will be the end of this nonsense about proton beam therapy. A clinician has already said it is not the appropriate treatment for this child.

And I suppose you think it's right also for the child to be kept separate from his parents during whatever time he has left. A child who has known love from his parents and family now faces the prospect of losing his battle for life and the last faces he is yo see are faceless doctors or court appointed social workers. That, to me, is child cruelty. I also assume you have never heard of medical professionals getting things wrong or covering their arses? They are not infallible just because they have a medical degree....

[anne666]

And I suppose you think it's right also for the child to be kept separate from his parents during whatever time he has left. A child who has known love from his parents and family now faces the prospect of losing his battle for life and the last faces he is yo see are faceless doctors or court appointed social workers. That, to me, is child cruelty. I also assume you have never heard of medical professionals getting things wrong or covering their arses? They are not infallible just because they have a medical degree....

I agree with that too! This is a catalogue of the most strange behaviour, all stemming from that hospital! What is their agenda? They were only yelling about the fact that the batteries would have run out on his feeder, well they were wrong. What else is going on here? That poor child needs his parents by his side as much as is humanly possible. His brother was trying to visit him today? Does anyone know if he succeeded?

[Ammi]

Portsmouth Council are making the child a ward of court, so luckily he will be back in the UK ASAP and that will be the end of this nonsense about proton beam therapy. A clinician has already said it is not the appropriate treatment for this child.


..maybe Sticks, that’s been said because it can’t be offered to him whereas it is available and has some proven success in other countries..?...it is in effect the same treatment that he’s having but directing the radiation more to the tumlour so there are far lower chances of permanent significant brain damage through damage to the surrounding cells and a chance for a far greater life quality...and it’s especially effective in children with brain tumours..it is a recognised treatment by Cancer Research who already send patients overseas for the treatment and it will be offered in the UK from 2018..but the machines are expensive and bulky according to Dr Hilary on This Morning who also said...’ it is very effective. It is similar to conventional radiotherapy, except for the fact that you get less scatter.
"The proton beams are positively charged particles. They are focus on the tumour and cause less collateral damage to structures around the tumour, so the complication rate is less.
‘’So in effect it could be more cost effective."



..maybe this is something that his own surgeons or doctors don’t agree is necessary because the treatment is so similar to what they would themselves give him but without transporting him or the expense of it etc....but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to make a huge difference in his future quality of life and there is no one who loves him more, no one who places such importance on that quality of his life, no one who would have his interests at heart more and no one who will be thinking of his future life more than his parents and I think they've showed that...if his parents are allowed to take him for the treatment, if they can raise the money quickly enough then there doesn’t seem to be anything to ‘lose’ at all with this but possibly everything to ‘gain’ for Ashya..who is the only person they’re thinking about..and they’re not thinking about whether it’s available here under the NHS but just that this could make all the difference to him and they love him enough to want to try that and they love him enough to want life quality for him..to increase the chances of that....which parent wouldn’t..

[Northern Monkey]

..maybe Sticks, that’s been said because it can’t be offered to him whereas it is available and has some proven success in other countries..?...it is in effect the same treatment that he’s having but directing the radiation more to the tumlour so there are far lower chances of permanent significant brain damage through damage to the surrounding cells and a chance for a far greater life quality...and it’s especially effective in children with brain tumours..it is a recognised treatment by Cancer Research who already send patients overseas for the treatment and it will be offered in the UK from 2018..but the machines are expensive and bulky according to Dr Hilary on This Morning who also said...’ it is very effective. It is similar to conventional radiotherapy, except for the fact that you get less scatter.
"The proton beams are positively charged particles. They are focus on the tumour and cause less collateral damage to structures around the tumour, so the complication rate is less.
‘’So in effect it could be more cost effective."



..maybe this is something that his own surgeons or doctors don’t agree is necessary because the treatment is so similar to what they would themselves give him but without transporting him or the expense of it etc....but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to make a huge difference in his future quality of life and there is no one who loves him more, no one who places such importance on that quality of his life, no one who would have his interests at heart more and no one who will be thinking of his future life more than his parents and I think they've showed that...if his parents are allowed to take him for the treatment, if they can raise the money quickly enough then there doesn’t seem to be anything to ‘lose’ at all with this but possibly everything to ‘gain’ for Ashya..who is the only person they’re thinking about..and they’re not thinking about whether it’s available here under the NHS but just that this could make all the difference to him and they love him enough to want to try that and they love him enough to want life quality for him..to increase the chances of that....which parent wouldn’t..

Very well said:clap1: His parents care for him more than anyone else in the world.They should'nt be punished for trying to save their child.

[Kizzy]

'The government has contacted police and health officials to see whether Ashya King, the five-year-old cancer patient currently in hospital alone in Spain, can be reunited with his mother and father, as Theresa May told the Commons attempts to extradite the parents to Britain were being reviewed.

The new interventions follow a mounting chorus of voices calling for Brett and Naghmeh King, currently held in separate Spanish prisons after removing their son from a Southampton hospital without doctors' consent to seek alternative treatment abroad for his brain tumour, to be brought to Málaga, where Ashya is being cared for at a children's hospital without his family.'

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/02/ashya-king-clegg-criticises-full-force-law

[arista]

The PM has just said
he wants the parents with the child.


In Spain they are now letting them go
and the Hospital will allow them to see their son
after hours

[Angelika]

Please sign the Change.org petition to release Aysher's parents immediately and reunite the family.

[arista]

Please sign the Change.org petition to release Aysher's parents immediately and reunite the family.


But the parents are now getting released
by order of the Judge

[Angelika]

Simple, they removed their child from hospital against medical advice

I find it very sad that there are people, like you, who don't know their rights as citizens of Great Britain. My advice to you as you advance in age is to become familiar with your rights lest you or your family find yourself in an unhappy situation similar to the Kings.

We only have to look back to the legacy of the disgraced and struck off the GMC register -Professor Sir Roy Meadows and his very disgraceful criminal behaviour and to the UK's own homegrown notorious as the "worlds most prolific serial killer" the Late Dr. Harold Shipman to know that we as patients need to ask for second opinions and not to treat doctors like Demi-gods.

Knowing your rights might not save you from bad doctors and bad medical decisions but it will mean you know where and when to complain.

I'm off to write to the GMC about the doctors mentioned by Mr. King. I know that anyone can complain to the GMC about any doctor if they believe they have done something to damage a patient, behaved disgracefully or brought the medical profession into disrepute.

BTW, the Kings are just well informed people interested in their child's health - they don't need a medical degree for that.

[lily.]

Blind conformity to the nanny state, succinctly defined in one post.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif

[Kizzy]

'Ashya King, the five-year-old boy taken from the UK by his parents to seek treatment abroad for a brain tumour, is likely to be reunited with his mother and father after the Crown Prosecution Service bowed to mounting political pressure and said it would withdraw an arrest warrant which has resulted in the parents being held in a Spanish jail pending possible extradition.

With David Cameron's spokesman joining Nick Clegg and others in pushing for the parents to be able to join their son, who is receiving treatment alone at a children's hospital in Málaga, in the south of Spain, lawyers for the CPS told a high court hearing they wanted to rescind the European warrant for Brett and Naghmeh King'


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/02/prosecutors-withdraw-arrest-warrant-ashya-king-parents

[lily.]

http://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-reunite-ashya-with-his-parents-3

If anyone wants to sign.

[the truth]

so the end result is the cops and the nhs and the politicians have all failed us yet again

[Angelika]

so the end result is the cops and the nhs and the politicians have all failed us yet again

The saddest part of this story is that so many people believed the NHS, the doctors, PCT were all doing the right thing, when in fact the opposite is true.

I keep asking myself if ordinary people can make a decision about what's right and wrong why can't these supposed educated people with big salaries not be able to process thoughts the same way? Well, the sad truth is that I think that they can but, imo, some positions of trust within the NHS have descended into positions of control and we cannot always trust them. We have all read the news paper reports where negligence and bad practice kills thousands of ordinary people who trusted the NHS would look after them. They died quietly in large numbers and we only heard about it later, that should scare all of us.

We see what power does on a smaller scale in the Big Brother House, and how fast the power corrupts the nicest people. The NHS is a far larger more powerful organisation with many individuals on power trips.

[the truth]

The saddest part of this story is that so many people believed the NHS, the doctors, PCT were all doing the right thing, when in fact the opposite is true.

I keep asking myself if ordinary people can make a decision about what's right and wrong why can't these supposed educated people with big salaries not be able to process thoughts the same way? Well, the sad truth is that I think that they can but, imo, some positions of trust within the NHS have descended into positions of control and we cannot always trust them. We have all read the news paper reports where negligence and bad practice kills thousands of ordinary people who trusted the NHS would look after them. They died quietly in large numbers and we only heard about it later, that should scare all of us.

We see what power does on a smaller scale in the Big Brother House, and how fast the power corrupts the nicest people. The NHS is a far larger more powerful organisation with many individuals on power trips.

TRUE

heres an uncomfortable truth, the bigger more bloated the civil service / government gets, the most cover ups and inefficiency. the more and more excess laws are passed the more the nation is corrupted. the more certain powerful people pay lawyers to hide behind laws and buy their silence

simple laws work better, smaller government more accountable works better too

these idiots work for US , we pay their wages with our taxes, its time we rammed that message home to these uesless cops, useless civil servants, useless social workers and useless nhs staff , trust board members and corrupt committees

[GypsyGoth]

The boy doesn't look like he gives a crap about his parents being back.

http://i.imgur.com/0vmi6j8.jpg

[Ammi]

The boy doesn't look like he gives a crap about his parents being back.

http://i.imgur.com/0vmi6j8.jpg

..:laugh:...he's got a petition to have them locked up again....

[arista]

The 5 year old will soon Fly to Czech Republic
for his special treatment the parents want.
Due to start on Monday


ITV1HD News

[Kizzy]

Yey!!! :D

The parents of five-year-old Ashya King, who were briefly jailed after taking him from a British hospital and fleeing abroad to seek treatment, have said he is now cancer-free.

Brett and Naghmeh King, who prompted an international police hunt in August when they took Ashya from a Southampton hospital against doctors’ wishes, said their son has made a “miracle” recovery from brain cancer.

The couple, from Southsea, Hants, were found in Spain, where they have a holiday home, and detained for three nights before a high court judge in London granted permission for them to seek proton beam therapy at a centre in Prague in the Czech Republic.

They had feared that conventional radiotherapy, advocated by Ashya’s British doctors to treat his medulloblastoma following surgery, would “kill him or turn him into a vegetable”.

On Monday they said they were absolutely delighted that a recent scan showed no sign of the tumour.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/23/ashya-king-now-free-of-cancer-after-proton-therapy-say-parents

[Marsh.]

..:laugh:...he's got a petition to have them locked up again....

:joker:

[Kizzy]

Ah tumour humour....nothing like it.

[Marsh.]

Who was laughing at the tumour? :suspect:

Don't put words in Ammi's posts. :nono:

[Ninastar]

Absolutely incredible... Wow, wasn't expecting this result.

[Kizzy]

Who was laughing at the tumour? :suspect:

Don't put words in Ammi's posts. :nono:

It was commented on that a very sick little boy didn't look particularly happy.

That's how I saw it, I don't care if you don't.

[Marsh.]

Yes let's not comment on pictures. Naughty people. :nono:

[Kizzy]

I didn't say that, now who's putting words in mouths :nono: