Where does he get off?

[jaxie]

Where does he get off talking to someone like this?

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-13-james-gary-i-just-dont-rudeness

So Gary said 'Hey' because he heard his name and couldn't hear the rest, why does that give him the right to talk to him like that? I really don't understand why the producers are letting him do this so much, he's already had one warning.

Gary: "May I finish?"
James: "No you may not."

James: "Even a dog can be taught new tricks." (cackles of laughter in the background)

Wtf.

[Pincho Paxton]

I wish the beginning wasn't missing. We don't hear James mention Gary.

[jessicadanielle]

Omg the way he lectures someone about being rude in the rudest way possible :facepalm: I can't take him anymore. Gary remained so calm, I don't know how he does it.

When James said he feels like a babysitter... Only because he gets on his high horse like he has to guide Gary's behaviour. He doesn't have to, he just does.

Can't wait to see die hard James fans try and justify this one. :bored:

[Patricia4]

I watched this video this morning and spoke about it somewhere I said then and say it now I want him out fast.

[jet]

Omg the way he lectures someone about being rude in the rudest way possible :facepalm: I can't take him anymore. Gary remained so calm, I don't know how he does it.

When James said he feels like a babysitter... Only because he gets on his high horse like he has to guide Gary's behaviour. He doesn't have to, he just does.

Can't wait to see die hard James fans try and justify this one. :bored:

fgs, I like Gary way more than James, but put it like this:

If someone kept rudely butting into your conversation by shouting 'hey, hey, hey' and you had asked them to stop doing it countless times because it bugs you, wouldn't you get exasperated and annoyed? It's not a case of justifying anything, it's a case of not always blaming everything on one person and turning a blind eye to any fault in the other person.
Gary shouldn't be exempt from any blame because he's Gary. It's so patronizing.

I wonder too why it didn't show Gary butting in, just James reacting?

[jessicadanielle]

fgs, I like Gary way more than James, but put it like this:

If someone kept rudely butting into your conversation by shouting 'hey, hey, hey' and you had asked them to stop doing it countless times because it bugs you, wouldn't you get exasperated and annoyed? It's not a case of justifying anything, it's a case of not always blaming everything on one person and turning a blind eye to any fault in the other person.
Gary shouldn't be exempt from any blame because he's Gary. It's so patronizing.

I wonder too why it didn't show Gary butting in, just James reacting?

I've had a conversation with you before about the fact that I acknowledge that Gary isn't faultless. Nothing in my comment above suggested that Gary is exempt from any blame, so why are you assuming so? Dunno why you felt like you had to "fgs" me when I never claimed Gary is blameless here or ever before.

Gary might have been rude, but for James to have a go at someone for being rude in such a rude and offensive (name calling like the babysitter stuff) manner is just laughable, hypocritical and ******s me right off. Is it not?! This is the point I was making.

[Josy]

fgs, I like Gary way more than James, but put it like this:

If someone kept rudely butting into your conversation by shouting 'hey, hey, hey' and you had asked them to stop doing it countless times because it bugs you, wouldn't you get exasperated and annoyed? It's not a case of justifying anything, it's a case of not always blaming everything on one person and turning a blind eye to any fault in the other person.
Gary shouldn't be exempt from any blame because he's Gary. It's so patronizing.

I wonder too why it didn't show Gary butting in, just James reacting?

Gary butted in because he heard his name being mentioned, it's not a crime to want to know what was being said and I agree that constant butting in would be annoying but is there really a need for James to get so wound up about it? he's the only one that seems to get so irate..

And again no one says Gary should be exempt from any blame, you seem to mention that a lot when it's over exaggerating IMO there is plenty of people that support Gary and CAN admit his faults.

James goes on about being rude whilst being completely rude.

[abhorson]

Gary has to win this!! Makes me laugh and never takes it to another level.

The intolerence by the ignorant baffles me.

[jet]

I've had a conversation with you before about the fact that I acknowledge that Gary isn't faultless. Nothing in my comment above suggested that Gary is exempt from any blame, so why are you assuming so? Dunno why you felt like you had to "fgs" me when I never claimed Gary is blameless here or ever before.

Gary might have been rude, but for James to have a go at someone for being rude in such a rude and offensive (name calling like the babysitter stuff) manner is just laughable, hypocritical and ******s me right off. Is it not?! This is the point I was making.

Because in your post you pointed out all that James had done wrong and mentioned nothing that might have prompted his exasperation. It bothers me that people always leave out what Gary does and only focus on what James does and I'm afraid you got the brunt of my annoyance, so I apologize for that, as you are by no means the most guilty of doing that. Sorry!

[abhorson]

fgs, I like Gary way more than James, but put it like this:

If someone kept rudely butting into your conversation by shouting 'hey, hey, hey' and you had asked them to stop doing it countless times because it bugs you, wouldn't you get exasperated and annoyed? It's not a case of justifying anything, it's a case of not always blaming everything on one person and turning a blind eye to any fault in the other person.
Gary shouldn't be exempt from any blame because he's Gary. It's so patronizing.

I wonder too why it didn't show Gary butting in, just James reacting?


When you have looked after someone with Dementia/brain injuries and etc. You will understand.

It is hard to do and takes much committment and patience. This is just rudeness in the extreme. They will learn.

[abhorson]

I've had a conversation with you before about the fact that I acknowledge that Gary isn't faultless. Nothing in my comment above suggested that Gary is exempt from any blame, so why are you assuming so? Dunno why you felt like you had to "fgs" me when I never claimed Gary is blameless here or ever before.

Gary might have been rude, but for James to have a go at someone for being rude in such a rude and offensive (name calling like the babysitter stuff) manner is just laughable, hypocritical and ******s me right off. Is it not?! This is the point I was making.


I so agree.

[Jules2]

Gary butted in because he heard his name being mentioned, it's not a crime to want to know what was being said and I agree that constant butting in would be annoying but is there really a need for James to get so wound up about it? he's the only one that seems to get so irate..

And again no one says Gary should be exempt from any blame, you seem to mention that a lot when it's over exaggerating IMO there is plenty of people that support Gary and CAN admit his faults.

James goes on about being rude whilst being completely rude.

Of course Gary has faults, it would be interesting to see more though. If James ignored him then Gary is going to try and get his attention, if he heard his name mentioned then he would want to know as many do.

James should really tone it down a bit, he tells Gary how wonderful he has been to stand up for him, those words alone is a put down for someone who doesnt really know who likes him and who doesnt. James has made himself Gary's keeper and he is keeping him in line with his put downs. Unfortunately Gary seems to be under James spell and doesnt realise how he is being manipulated. It is my opinion that because Gary is deaf, they feel they can hold conversations about him and not far from him. Stephanies sneaky little face, she was really enjoying it!

Didnt appreciate James having a go at Kellie neither under the guise of the dummy, there wasnt any need for that.

[Liam-]

When you have looked after someone with Dementia/brain injuries and etc. You will understand.

It is hard to do and takes much committment and patience. This is just rudeness in the extreme. They will learn.

If he does need to be looked after, it's not down to the other housemates to do so, they didn't go in there to look after someone, that's not their job.

[abhorson]

If he does need to be looked after, it's not down to the other housemates to do so, they didn't go in there to look after someone, that's not their job.

Of course not, but some tolerance and understanding would not go missing.

Would James talk to his own Grand parents this way ? I ****ing hope not.

[puzzled]

When you have looked after someone with Dementia/brain injuries and etc. You will understand.

It is hard to do and takes much committment and patience. This is just rudeness in the extreme. They will learn.

Spot on. All that is necessary is to calmly say, "Just a minute," or, "I'm not finished." There's no need to lecture and belittle. If we all shouted and ranted at our deaf friends and relatives, and those with dementia, not only would we be hoarse, we'd be abusers. IMO, James is abusing Gary, and BB ought to make it stop, and call off their rottweiler.

[Liam-]

Of course not, but some tolerance and understanding would not go missing.

Would James talk to his own Grand parents this way ? I ****ing hope not.

But he's not his grandparent though is he? and although he might still dislike Gary to some extent, i have never seen him refuse to help him with things, which he easily could do and put it down to his dislike of him.

[jessicadanielle]

Because in your post you pointed out all that James had done wrong and mentioned nothing that might have prompted his exasperation. It bothers me that people always leave out what Gary does and only focus on what James does and I'm afraid you got the brunt of my annoyance, so I apologize for that, as you are by no means the most guilty of doing that. Sorry!

No worries :thumbs: it annoys me too when it seems like people pick a favourite and turn everything to be in favour of them, or pick a least favourite and only focus on their bad points. I didn't mean to do that above.

[abhorson]

Spot on. All that is necessary is to calmly say, "Just a minute," or, "I'm not finished." There's no need to lecture and belittle. If we all shouted and ranted at our deaf friends and relatives, and those with dementia, not only would we be hoarse, we'd be abusers. IMO, James is abusing Gary, and BB ought to make it stop, and call off their rottweiler.

It is getting close.:clap1:

[Jules2]

I would like to see James go but the thing which worries me is the fact that James has made Gary so dependant on him would Gary miss him? I would like to see more of Frenchy and Gary together but not much is shown in that way.

[jaxie]

But he's not his grandparent though is he? and although he might still dislike Gary to some extent, i have never seen him refuse to help him with things, which he easily could do and put it down to his dislike of him.

No he is a human being and deserves a little kindness and consideration for his disabilities like any other human being does.

[Josy]

I would like to see James go but the thing which worries me is the fact that James has made Gary so dependant on him would Gary miss him? I would like to see more of Frenchy and Gary together but not much is shown in that way.

I think James like to make out that Gary depends on him a lot more than Gary actually does, that's just my opinion from watching the goings on in there.

Audley, Frenchy and Edele would help Gary out if he needed it.

[jaxie]

Spot on. All that is necessary is to calmly say, "Just a minute," or, "I'm not finished." There's no need to lecture and belittle. If we all shouted and ranted at our deaf friends and relatives, and those with dementia, not only would we be hoarse, we'd be abusers. IMO, James is abusing Gary, and BB ought to make it stop, and call off their rottweiler.

Honestly it makes me very uncomfortable I can't see how they can let this go indefinitely without stepping in and showing James how he is behaving for half an hour. I just wonder if he would be able to take it on board or if it would go over his head.

[abhorson]

But he's not his grandparent though is he? and although he might still dislike Gary to some extent, i have never seen him refuse to help him with things, which he easily could do and put it down to his dislike of him.


So carers should not be kind and understanding on the outside ? And even in this enviroment, there should be some understanding surely.

[Josy]

The thing that stands out the most to me here is how angry James gets, how he feels the need to put Gary down (and not just Gary he does this with anyone he has an argument or disagreement with), I just don't see the need for it, he also carries out his rant in a rude and disrespectful way whilst actually ranting about Gary being rude.

[Liam-]

No he is a human being and deserves a little kindness and consideration for his disabilities like any other human being does.

I'm not even going to argue with you because you repeat the same thing over and over again.
I have never once said his disabilities don't deserve consideration, his disabilities wasn't even the topicof the post that you quoted fgs.

[Jules2]

But he's not his grandparent though is he? and although he might still dislike Gary to some extent, i have never seen him refuse to help him with things, which he easily could do and put it down to his dislike of him.,

Accepted but he shouldnt then go and take the mickey out of Gary. This is what gauls me. If someone does someone else a kindness it should be from the bottom of their heart and not from the top of a stone wall which only dissolves when the deed can be related and taken to pieces with another person. It is as though he is saying "look how wonderful I am". He isnt, he is one of the biggest stirrers in there.

It is like the person who says, I would give you a sweet if I had one. Trying to look good in another persons eyes but then destroying the fact.

[Liam-]

So carers should not be kind and understanding on the outside ? And even in this enviroment, there should be some understanding surely.

What are you on about, 'carers'? Of course carers should be kind and understanding, but James nor anyone else in there are carers.. like i said, James might dislike Gary, but he doesn't refuse to help him whenever feels he needs to help.

[jaxie]

I'm not even going to argue with you because you repeat the same thing over and over again.
I have never once said his disabilities don't deserve consideration, his disabilities wasn't even the topicof the post that you quoted fgs.

I feel the same way about you. You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder.

[Liam-]

,

Accepted but he shouldnt then go and take the mickey out of Gary. This is what gauls me. If someone does someone else a kindness it should be from the bottom of their heart and not from the top of a stone wall which only dissolves when the deed can be related and taken to pieces with another person. It is as though he is saying "look how wonderful I am". He isnt, he is one of the biggest stirrers in there.

It is like the person who says, I would give you a sweet if I had one. Trying to look good in another persons eyes but then destroying the fact.

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..

I feel the same way about you. You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder.

No chip here hun, don't worry about that.

[abhorson]

What are you on about, 'carers'? Of course carers should be kind and understanding, but James nor anyone else in there are carers.. like i said, James might dislike Gary, but he doesn't refuse to help him whenever feels he needs to help.

Again, it is about understanding and tolerence. Cost's nothing does it?

[Liam-]

Again, it is about understanding and tolerence. Cost's nothing does it?

No it doesn't you're right.. but they do tolerate him, they might get severely annoyed by him, but they still try with him, that in itself shows tolerance in my eyes.

[jessicadanielle]

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..

I'm not saying this is necessarily true in James's case, but it does make their motives for helping somebody a little questionable.

If, for example, someone gives to charity then spends the next week bragging about it (which some people do do!), it does seem a little like their motive was to help themselves more than the charity. Of course, the charity has benefitted from their donation, but that's almost a bi-product of the person wanting to make themselves look all charitable and generous.

Like I said, I'm not saying this is necessarily what James does, but it does certainly make it questionable when he helps Gary but then sniggers about him with others. Other members have suggested that he might help to belittle Gary and feel kind of superior, and I have some suspicions that this might be the case.

Edit: then again, James might be genuinely wanting to help Gary and be happy to do so, but then just gets sucked into the bitching and sniggering with Stephanie and sometimes George. It's hard to call.

[Tip]

Yeah James gets angry and he is definitely no saint. Nothing new there.

He and Gary made it up again afterwards - once James had calmed down a bit - but it'll probably be an ongoing cycle in the house as long as both of them are still there.

I wouldn't employ James as a carer - but maybe Gary would :D

[chuff me dizzy]

So carers should not be kind and understanding on the outside ? And even in this enviroment, there should be some understanding surely.

Do you think the hm8s are Garys carers ? fgs hurry up and lets get rid so everyone else can enjoy themselves without babysitting

[abhorson]

No it doesn't you're right.. but they do tolerate him, they might get severely annoyed by him, but they still try with him, that in itself shows tolerance in my eyes.


£££££

That is what it show's.

[abhorson]

Do you think the hm8s are Garys carers ? fgs hurry up and lets get rid so everyone else can enjoy themselves without babysitting

As said previously, of course not.

[chuff me dizzy]

As said previously, of course not.

It sounded that way

[abhorson]

Yeah James gets angry and he is definitely no saint. Nothing new there.

He and Gary made it up again afterwards - once James had calmed down a bit - but it'll probably be an ongoing cycle in the house as long as both of them are still there.

I wouldn't employ James as a carer - but maybe Gary would :D


In seriousness. Great point. That is the understanding.

[abhorson]

It sounded that way


Sorry.

Just understanding of the situation. James is not twenty.

Many twenty year olds understand it.

[Jules2]

I think James like to make out that Gary depends on him a lot more than Gary actually does, that's just my opinion from watching the goings on in there.

Audley, Frenchy and Edele would help Gary out if he needed it.

We have been brainwashed into thinking that Gary does need help but I wonder if some of it is, as someone else said, the fact that he is waited on at home and told when and where to do such and such a thing. With his career he will have stayed in hotels etc. etc. It is the same as someone repairing a car, I wouldnt know where to start, mind you even if I was shown I think I would get it wrong but many would learn. Me, I do not have to but see what I am saying.

A case of understanding and getting used to a situation and not being made fun of for washing a cup and washing the sides, for having a shower etc. etc. I am willing to bet that noone else is under such scrutiny as Gary, he doesnt have a firm friend other than Frenchy, the others talk down to him and not with him as though they are better. The only other one I would trust is Audley tbh. Lauren peed in the pool, George drank the water how do we know who washes their hands after toilet?

I dont think he is slow but I think that James has made him to dependent on him. Perhaps it would be a good thing for James to go after all, maybe Gary will come into his own.:wavey:

[jet]

Gary butted in because he heard his name being mentioned, it's not a crime to want to know what was being said and I agree that constant butting in would be annoying but is there really a need for James to get so wound up about it? he's the only one that seems to get so irate..

And again no one says Gary should be exempt from any blame, you seem to mention that a lot when it's over exaggerating IMO there is plenty of people that support Gary and CAN admit his faults.

James goes on about being rude whilst being completely rude.

I think (the bolded part) is because he is the only one who really bothers with him and Gary is maddeningly annoying to be around. The others wisely stay away and get off scot free even though not helping or interacting could be seen as even more uncaring. I honestly think James likes him and wants to help but he isn't the best person to do it - he's too volatile and hot - headed.
I wish James would just distance himself and let us see how one of the others deals so closely with him. But they are happy to let James carry on even though they must see his temperament isn't suited to it. They all get off the hook.

[Liam-]

I'm not saying this is necessarily true in James's case, but it does make their motives for helping somebody a little questionable.

If, for example, someone gives to charity then spends the next week bragging about it (which some people do do!), it does seem a little like their motive was to help themselves more than the charity. Of course, the charity has benefitted from their donation, but that's almost a bi-product of the person wanting to make themselves look all charitable and generous.

Like I said, I'm not saying this is necessarily what James does, but it does certainly make it questionable when he helps Gary but then sniggers about him with others. Other members have suggested that he might help to belittle Gary and feel kind of superior, and I have some suspicions that this might be the case.

Edit: then again, James might be genuinely wanting to help Gary and be happy to do so, but then just gets sucked into the bitching and sniggering with Stephanie and sometimes George. It's hard to call.

I see the point about the charity, that's what i was saying about Ashleigh during the last series :laugh:
But, with the whole James situation, it annoys me that people don't acknowledge the fact that what James does to help Gary is a good thing, granted people don't like him so find it hard to admit that he does any good whatsoever, but that's not fair.
like i said, James could easily turn around and say no to helping Gary and let him do everything himself because he doesn't like him, but he doesn't because he seen that no matter how much he dislikes him or how annoying Gary is, he's still an old man who needs help with things, so yes he bitches about Gary and quite frequently says how much he dislikes him, but at the end of the day, he puts that aside to help him when no-one else will, that's a good guy in my eyes.

£££££

That is what it show's.

That makes no sense, they all get paid whether they're nice to Gary or not :conf:

[abhorson]

Audley could win this if he is as polite sand sensible as i think he is.

[abhorson]

I see the point about the charity, that's what i was saying about Ashleigh during the last series :laugh:
But, with the whole James situation, it annoys me that people don't acknowledge the fact that what James does to help Gary is a good thing, granted people don't like him so find it hard to admit that he does any good whatsoever, but that's not fair.
like i said, James could easily turn around and say no to helping Gary and let him do everything himself because he doesn't like him, but he doesn't because he seen that no matter how much he dislikes him or how annoying Gary is, he's still an old man who needs help with things, so yes he bitches about Gary and quite frequently says how much he dislikes him, but at the end of the day, he puts that aside to help him when no-one else will, that's a good guy in my eyes.



That makes no sense, they all get paid whether they're nice to Gary or not :conf:

Does James want to go. Not rocket science Liam.

[Jules2]

I think (the bolded part) is because he is the only one who really bothers with him and Gary is maddeningly annoying to be around. The others wisely stay away and get off scot free even though not helping or interacting could be seen as even more uncaring. I honestly think James likes him and wants to help but he isn't the best person to do it - he's too volatile and hot - headed.
I wish James would just distance himself and let us see how one of the others deals so closely with him. But they are happy to let James carry on even though they must see his temperament isn't suited to it. They all get off the hook.

Thinking about it though, maybe it would be good for them all to just treat him as part of the house and not try and make him different. My daughter is disabled but she is very capable of fitting in, this is how it should be regardless.

[Liam-]

Does James want to go. Not rocket science Liam.

None of them want to go, not even that corner dwelling moaning Myrtle, but '£££££' has no relevance if you meant that he's doing it to stay in :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Sorry.

Just understanding of the situation. James is not twenty.

Many twenty year olds understand it.

Gary is an EQUAL hm8 and should be treat as such ,not be a burden on everyone ,where they get the patience they have all shown with him is amazing

[Pincho Paxton]

This case isn't really about helping Gary, so a lot of the posts are off topic. This is about Gary being deaf, and hearing his name mentioned, then James going crazy at him. We know that James talks about Gary a lot with Gary in the room. So we should concentrate of the actual argument with Gary.

[abhorson]

Gary is an EQUAL hm8 and should be treat as such ,not be a burden on everyone ,where they get the patience they have all shown with him is amazing


This i agree with. It could well be hard. But patience is what is needed. That is the understanding lacking,

[jessicadanielle]

I see the point about the charity, that's what i was saying about Ashleigh during the last series :laugh:
But, with the whole James situation, it annoys me that people don't acknowledge the fact that what James does to help Gary is a good thing, granted people don't like him so find it hard to admit that he does any good whatsoever, but that's not fair.
like i said, James could easily turn around and say no to helping Gary and let him do everything himself because he doesn't like him, but he doesn't because he seen that no matter how much he dislikes him or how annoying Gary is, he's still an old man who needs help with things, so yes he bitches about Gary and quite frequently says how much he dislikes him, but at the end of the day, he puts that aside to help him when no-one else will, that's a good guy in my eyes.

Yeah I agree James could just leave Gary to it and not bother with him and he doesn't which is nice. But personally, I feel like the "niceness" is cancelled out by how bitter he seems about the fact that he has to help him. Even like when Gary was cleaning because James had "helped to educate him" that he'd be more liked if he was tidier (some other hms had discussed it in their noms too), James and others took that opportunity to make fun of Gary. Just doesn't seem like he does really want to help him just out of his own kindness at times like that. I respect that your opinion is that James's help indicates that he's a good guy though :)

Also, on a sidenote, I've never thought of Gary as needing much help really. Maybe in the shower if it is really slippy, but otherwise Gary seems just fine. I'm not sure what "help" James is referring to, but it could just be cut out of the hls.

[Liam-]

Gary is an EQUAL hm8 and should be treat as such ,not be a burden on everyone ,where they get the patience they have all shown with him is amazing

I agree, i do believe that people are trying to molly coddle him in there, he's shown he's capable of washing up, so now maybe they'll start letting him do it and that'll be the end of the arguments.

[abhorson]

This case isn't really about helping Gary, so a lot of the posts are off topic. This is about Gary being deaf, and hearing his name mentioned, then James going crazy at him. We know that James talks about Gary a lot with Gary in the room. So we should concentrate of the actual argument with Gary.


Quite correct. And about the impatience and rudeness that arose.

[Josy]

I would be interested to know what a lot of people actually think about the clip linked in the op, if they think James reacted in a normal way or if he was rude and so on.

The clip focuses mainly on James rather than Gary so yeah it would be good to get some opinions on that.

There is plenty of other threads about Gary with the same discussions going on...

[abhorson]

I would be interested to know what a lot of people actually think about the clip linked in the op, if they think James reacted in a normal way or if he was rude and so on.

The clip focuses mainly on James rather than Gary so yeah it would be good to get some opinions on that.

There is plenty of other threads about Gary with the same discussions going on...

Bloody rude and insincere.

[chuff me dizzy]

I agree, i do believe that people are trying to molly coddle him in there, he's shown he's capable of washing up, so now maybe they'll start letting him do it and that'll be the end of the arguments.

I odnt think they ever stopped him ,the lazy gett just didn't bother until he got nominated again ,he only washed the cup to get camera time hence the silly smirk direct to camera

[Tip]

Yep he lost his temper and was rude.

Nothing new though.

[Liam-]

I would be interested to know what a lot of people actually think about the clip linked in the op, if they think James reacted in a normal way or if he was rude and so on.

The clip focuses mainly on James rather than Gary so yeah it would be good to get some opinions on that.

There is plenty of other threads about Gary with the same discussions going on...

I don't think people can really say how justified his reaction was because they didn't show what Gary actually did and they probably won't any time soon, but i don't think it's any worse than he's reacted before though and i personally don't think he's ever over the top in his reactions anyway.

[Josy]

I don't think people can really say how justified his reaction was because they didn't show what Gary actually did and they probably won't any time soon, but i don't think it's any worse than he's reacted before though and i personally don't think he's ever over the top in his reactions anyway.

People can still say their opinion on what we have seen, that's how most threads and posts on the forum work during every BB...

[Josy]

I odnt think they ever stopped him ,the lazy gett just didn't bother until he got nominated again ,he only washed the cup to get camera time hence the silly smirk direct to camera

Gary doesn't need to try for camera time, he is interesting enough to watch anyway.

[Liam-]

People can still say their opinion on what we have seen, that's how most threads and posts on the forum work during every BB...

That came across incredibly patronising, i am very aware of how the forum works tyvm.
What you quoted was my opinion, I don't think people can get the whole gist of the way he reacted because of them not showing what Gary did to evoke it, but i said, i dont think it's any worse than anything he's done before.

[jessicadanielle]

I odnt think they ever stopped him ,the lazy gett just didn't bother until he got nominated again ,he only washed the cup to get camera time hence the silly smirk direct to camera

I'm not sure he smirked directly to the camera. It would have been a mirror. I think he was kind of smirking at himself in the mirror.

[chuff me dizzy]

Gary doesn't need to try for camera time, he is interesting enough to watch anyway.

Interesting ? not for me :nono:

[Josy]

That came across incredibly patronising, i am very aware of how the forum works tyvm.
What you quoted was my opinion, I don't think people can get the whole gist of the way he reacted because of them not showing what Gary did to evoke it, but i said, i dont think it's any worse than anything he's done before.

Well it wasn't meant to be patronising but if you don't want to comment on the clip linked in the op then that's up to you but most other do and have been.

[Liam-]

Well it wasn't meant to be patronising but if you don't want to comment on the clip linked in the op then that's up to you but most other do and have been.

I did comment on the clip that was posted though.. twice as a matter of fact, there's no need to patronise people.

[Pincho Paxton]

I don't think people can really say how justified his reaction was because they didn't show what Gary actually did and they probably won't any time soon, but i don't think it's any worse than he's reacted before though and i personally don't think he's ever over the top in his reactions anyway.

You keep saying that they didn't show what Gary did. They didn't show what Gary heard is the point here. He heard his name mentioned, and asked what it was about. We didn't see that part.

[Josy]

I did comment on the clip that was posted though.. twice as a matter of fact, there's no need to patronise people.

Twice you have said that now.

I'm not patronising anyone so would prefer if you stopped with the accusation.

Yeah you commented on the clip and also said you don't think people can say this or that about the clip, well they can whether you think they can or not.

[Liam-]

You keep saying that they didn't show what Gary did. They didn't show what Gary heard is the point here. He heard his name mentioned, and asked what it was about. We didn't see that part.

Yeah i know that, but James is saying that he did something that upset him, that's what would be needed to see in order to see how fairly or unjustly he reacted.

[jet]

I would be interested to know what a lot of people actually think about the clip linked in the op, if they think James reacted in a normal way or if he was rude and so on.

The clip focuses mainly on James rather than Gary so yeah it would be good to get some opinions on that.

There is plenty of other threads about Gary with the same discussions going on...

Well of course he was rude, anybody can see that. It seems Gary was also rude and keeps interrupting when James has asked him over and over not to.
Gary is probably really aggravating to be around and a bit of a wind up, but quite lovable, and James is hot headed, insensitive and volatile but probably means well.
It's that simple and I don't think either of them should be made out as devils from the opposite supporters. It's just their personalities.

[jessicadanielle]

You keep saying that they didn't show what Gary did. They didn't show what Gary heard is the point here. He heard his name mentioned, and asked what it was about. We didn't see that part.

Good point!!

Take THAT Gary haters! :hehe: (just kidding...)

[Liam-]

Twice you have said that now.

I'm not patronising anyone so would prefer if you stopped with the accusation.

Yeah you commented on the clip and also said you don't think people can say this or that about the clip, well they can whether you think they can or not.


Yes i did say that, because that's my opinion, i personally don't feel that people can judge what they saw without seeing the whole incident, i didn't say they shouldn't or can't.

[abhorson]

The point to me is the rudeness and ignorance from James, would anyone here want someone to talk the their Grandparents with injuries/illnesses in such a manner, no matter in which situation ?

I hope you say NO.

[Josy]

The point to me is the rudeness and ignorance from James, would anyone here want someone to talk the their Grandparents with injuries/illnesses in such a manner, no matter in which situation ?

I hope you say NO.

I don't even think illness or injuries or even age comes into, I don't think James should speak down to anyone like that and at the same time insult them and complain that they are rude when he is being rude too.

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't even think illness or injuries or even age comes into, I don't think James should speak down to anyone like that and at the same time insult them and complain that they are rude when he is being rude too.

James has had more patience with Gary than anyone else in there,and a lot more than he deserves ,but still gets attacked ?

[Josy]

Well of course he was rude, anybody can see that. It seems Gary was also rude and keeps interrupting when James has asked him over and over not to.
Gary is probably really aggravating to be around and a bit of a wind up, but quite lovable, and James is hot headed, insensitive and volatile but probably means well.
It's that simple and I don't think either of them should be made out as devils from the opposite supporters. It's just their personalities.

It is rude of Gary to interrupt but we are led to believe that James was talking behind Gary's back about clothes in Gary's suitcase.

Gary heard his name so interrupted the conversation.

In that sense then I don't think it was that rude to ask why he was being mentioned, at least not rude enough for James to go on one of his long winded red faced rants.

[Josy]

James has had more patience with Gary than anyone else in there,and a lot more than he deserves ,but still gets attacked ?

I disagree that James has patience with Gary.

[jaxie]

Audley could win this if he is as polite sand sensible as i think he is.

I am inclined to agree. Much as I would love Gary to win, because so far for entertainment value he deserves it, the british public never vote overseas housemates to win. Audley is the only one standing out as decent in a pretty thin collection of options.

[jet]

I don't even think illness or injuries or even age comes into, I don't think James should speak down to anyone like that and at the same time insult them and complain that they are rude when he is being rude too.

So if someone is rude you shouldn't ever be rude back?
If someone continually ignores a request (like not butting in) which is an insult to you in itself, you shouldn't insult them back?

Not saying James was right, but it seems like you have forgotten Gary's role in this.

If it was George or Audley, instead of Gary, would it be okay to keep butting in (when asked not to over and over) when they heard their name, instead of waiting for them to finish speaking?

[abhorson]

Never ,and IF I was it would be my family not strangers

That is where you lose. Because most of the compassionate and tolerant carers are not family members.

This is just a dislike of an HM.

[jaxie]

Never ,and IF I was it would be my family not strangers

How can you possibly know that. You can't predict the future even your own.

[chuff me dizzy]

So if someone is rude you shouldn't ever be rude back?
If someone continually ignores a request (like not butting in) which is an insult to you in itself, you shouldn't insult them back?

Not saying James was right, but it seems like you have forgotten Gary's role in this.

If it was George or Audley, instead of Gary, would it be okay to keep butting in (when asked not to over and over) when they heard their name, instead of waiting for them to finish speaking?

:clap1: As I asked yesterday if it were Rikki,George or any of the other young ones leaving the loo filthy, spitting on the floor and bedding ,not showering,walking about flashing their tackle in front of the girls and being bone idle would it still be ok ?

[chuff me dizzy]

How can you possibly know that. You can't predict the future even your own.

And neither can you ,this is about Busey not me

[abhorson]

So if someone is rude you shouldn't ever be rude back?
If someone continually ignores a request (like not butting in) which is an insult to you in itself, you shouldn't insult them back?

Not saying James was right, but it seems like you have forgotten Gary's role in this.

If it was George or Audley, instead of Gary, would it be okay to keep butting in (when asked not to over and over) when they heard their name, instead of waiting for them to finish speaking?

Jet.

I am only 39 and looked after an 84 year old for three years who was constantly rude to me.

I understood the condition. This is the ignorance.

[Josy]

So if someone is rude you shouldn't ever be rude back?
If someone continually ignores a request (like not butting in) which is an insult to you in itself, you shouldn't insult them back?

Not saying James was right, but it seems like you have forgotten Gary's role in this.

If it was George or Audley, instead of Gary, would it be okay to keep butting in (when asked not to over and over) when they heard their name, instead of waiting for them to finish speaking?

In this instance I don't think Gary was being very rude when James was discussing him to start with.

I haven't forgotten Gary's role at all and have mentioned throughout this thread that butting in is rude but you seem to completely ignore those parts of peoples posts and continue saying people don't blame Gary for anything.

And to answer your question no it wouldn't be okay to KEEP butting in to anyones conversations but if that conversation is about you which this one was and you are sitting right there then I don't see it as being rude enough to deserve a long winded rant from James telling you that you are being rude whilst being completely rude about you during it.

This feels like ti's going round in circles tbh.

[Josy]

Right keep to the topic in here and stop making the thread about other members

[jaxie]

So if someone is rude you shouldn't ever be rude back?
If someone continually ignores a request (like not butting in) which is an insult to you in itself, you shouldn't insult them back?

Not saying James was right, but it seems like you have forgotten Gary's role in this.

If it was George or Audley, instead of Gary, would it be okay to keep butting in (when asked not to over and over) when they heard their name, instead of waiting for them to finish speaking?

Fair enough, we didn't see what went before. So on the live feed last night when Gary was trying to clear up and was been mocked by 4 or 5 other housemates just a few feet away, how was he being rude to 'deserve' such retribution? Let's hear you justify that.

[jet]

It is rude of Gary to interrupt but we are led to believe that James was talking behind Gary's back about clothes in Gary's suitcase.

Gary heard his name so interrupted the conversation.

In that sense then I don't think it was that rude to ask why he was being mentioned, at least not rude enough for James to go on one of his long winded red faced rants.

What makes you believe he was talking behind his back when he mentioned his name, which makes it sound like he was saying something mean? I didn't see anything to suggest that.

[Josy]

What makes you believe he was talking behind his back when he mentioned his name, which makes it sound like he was saying something mean? I didn't see anything to suggest that.

Gary says it in the clip.

I never said he was saying something mean.

[Pincho Paxton]

So if someone is rude you shouldn't ever be rude back?
If someone continually ignores a request (like not butting in) which is an insult to you in itself, you shouldn't insult them back?

Not saying James was right, but it seems like you have forgotten Gary's role in this.

If it was George or Audley, instead of Gary, would it be okay to keep butting in (when asked not to over and over) when they heard their name, instead of waiting for them to finish speaking?

It isn't rude to hear your name, and ask what someone was saying. The only rude person in that case seemed to be James. But if James didn't say the words 'Gary'... then it might be an interruption.

[jet]

Fair enough, we didn't see what went before. So on the live feed last night when Gary was trying to clear up and was been mocked by 4 or 5 other housemates just a few feet away, how was he being rude to 'deserve' such retribution? Let's hear you justify that.

Why would I justify that? Gary was doing nothing wrong at all. Some of them were being horrible, especially George saying he didn't think he was coming into an old peoples home. Utterly disgraceful!

[jet]

Gary says it in the clip.

I never said he was saying something mean.

When you say someone was 'talking behind someones back' it implies they are saying something mean. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

no it wouldn't be okay to KEEP butting in to anyones conversations but if that conversation is about you which this one was and you are sitting right there then I don't see it as being rude enough to deserve a long winded rant from James telling you that you are being rude whilst being completely rude about you during it.

:clap1:

[puzzled]

I am inclined to agree. Much as I would love Gary to win, because so far for entertainment value he deserves it, the british public never vote overseas housemates to win. Audley is the only one standing out as decent in a pretty thin collection of options.

Agree. I think Gary and Audley as the final 2 would be great.

[jet]

In this instance I don't think Gary was being very rude when James was discussing him to start with.

I haven't forgotten Gary's role at all and have mentioned throughout this thread that butting in is rude but you seem to completely ignore those parts of peoples posts and continue saying people don't blame Gary for anything.

And to answer your question no it wouldn't be okay to KEEP butting in to anyones conversations but if that conversation is about you which this one was and you are sitting right there then I don't see it as being rude enough to deserve a long winded rant from James telling you that you are being rude whilst being completely rude about you during it.

This feels like ti's going round in circles tbh.

Sorry Josy, I hadn't seen some of your previous posts were you said that. This thread is moving too fast!

[Patricia4]

If I heard my name mentioned when two people were talking I would of interrupted too to find out what was being said.
James love's his own voice and love's to make people look small he's a big tw*t.

[abhorson]

If I heard my name mentioned when two people were talking I would of interrupted too to find out what was being said.
James love's his own voice and love's to make people look small he's a big tw*t.

Poor Ola.:laugh:

[Tip]

If I heard my name mentioned when two people were talking I would of interrupted too to find out what was being said.
James love's his own voice and love's to make people look small he's a big tw*t.


If I didn't hear the rest of what was being said, I probably would too. However, there's ways and means of doing that, and Gary shouting "Hey Hey Hey" (if that is what he did) is something people have told him over and over that they find annoying.

Housemates, rightly or wrongly, don't tend to put Gary's lack of social finesse down to brain damage or disability.

James has a short fuse and loses it - and as is often the case when tempers are lost, goes over the top. If Gary was capable of approaching this differently then I think James quite probably wouldn't lose it in quite this way. As it is, it appears both of them lack something here.

[abhorson]

If I didn't hear the rest of what was being said, I probably would too. However, there's ways and means of doing that, and Gary shouting "Hey Hey Hey" (if that is what he did) is something people have told him over and over that they find annoying.

Housemates, rightly or wrongly, don't tend to put Gary's lack of social finesse down to brain damage or disability.

James has a short fuse and loses it - and as is often the case when tempers are lost, goes over the top. If Gary was capable of approaching this differently then I think James quite probably wouldn't lose it in quite this way. As it is, it appears both of them lack something here.

You could tell a person with a brain injury ten million times. It would make no difference. Just too ignorant of this.

It can frustrate though, granted.

[jessicadanielle]

If I didn't hear the rest of what was being said, I probably would too. However, there's ways and means of doing that, and Gary shouting "Hey Hey Hey" (if that is what he did) is something people have told him over and over that they find annoying.

Housemates, rightly or wrongly, don't tend to put Gary's lack of social finesse down to brain damage or disability.

James has a short fuse and loses it - and as is often the case when tempers are lost, goes over the top. If Gary was capable of approaching this differently then I think James quite probably wouldn't lose it in quite this way. As it is, it appears both of them lack something here.

Yep really well said! It's hard to judge, since we're not sure if Gary just interrupted or rudely interrupted (I do believe there is a difference), but it seems they both lack a regard for others in some ways. I think the reason that Gary is perceived better than James (in general) is because he doesn't become condescending, nasty, offensive, loud or bad-tempered, and he doesn't walk away afterwards and talk about people behind their backs. Further, Gary shows more willing to change than James from what we've seen so far. There is also the whole brain damage thing which does seem to play a role in Gary's behaviour.

[Tip]

You could tell a person with a brain injury ten million times. It would make no difference. Just too ignorant of this.

It can frustrate though, granted.

It could well be that Gary's brain injury is the reason but we don't actually know that.

I've looked after people with brain injuries too, and they all had pretty unique behavioural problems.

If it was definitively the case that it was brain injury causing Gary to behave in certain ways, then BB would be doing everyone a favour if they made that known.

[JoshBB]

James is a piece of **** basically and he's making the whole house stink of his bitterness. We need him out.

[delta]

I watched this video this morning and spoke about it somewhere I said then and say it now I want him out fast.



I cannot bring myself to watch it he annoys me that much!!



BTW- Great avatar of the KING !!!

[jet]

It could well be that Gary's brain injury is the reason but we don't actually know that.

I've looked after people with brain injuries too, and they all had pretty unique behavioural problems.

If it was definitively the case that it was brain injury causing Gary to behave in certain ways, then BB would be doing everyone a favour if they made that known.

I agree. I think it would be essential that they make that known. Imagine the HM's coming out and finding it was the brain injury making him behave like that and they didn't know. I imagine they would be furious that they weren't told and just thought he was a rude and aggravating old so - and - so who was riling them up on purpose and they looked really bad for not understanding...

So maybe his brain injury doesn't affect him in those ways as they HM's are tested before going in there. I wish we knew one way or the other as it could change our perceptions, and the HM's too of course.

[jessicadanielle]

I agree. I think it would be essential that they make that known. Imagine the HM's coming out and finding it was the brain injury making him behave like that and they didn't know. I imagine they would be furious that they weren't told and just thought he was a rude and aggravating old so - and - so who was riling them up on purpose and they looked really bad for not understanding...

So maybe his brain injury doesn't affect him in those ways as they HM's are tested before going in there. I wish we knew one way or the other as it could change our perceptions, and the HM's too of course.

Me too, whenever I perceive Gary's behaviour to be rude/difficult I can't help but wonder if it's due to his brain injury so I shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Maybe you've seen this before but I'll say it anyway just incase. I know it's only wikipedia so not a great source, but it says that a doctor claimed Gary's mental filters were affected by his injury and was prescribed drugs to reduce that. It claims the source is from Celeb Rehab but I've never seen the show so couldn't say if it was really shown on there, or if the show is "real". If true, sounds like Gary's impulsivity (interrupting conversations etc.) could be a symptom of his injury. And if that is true, I feel really bad for Gary when housemates shout at him/nom him for interrupting.. He probably doesn't quite get what the problem is.

[abhorson]

I really think the the clue is in not reacting/ biting back, back stabbing, slagging off, getting angry, OTT reactions. This is not normal BB behaviour.

Either that or he deserves TEN Oscars.

[Tip]

I really think the the clue is in not reacting/ biting back, back stabbing, slagging off, getting angry, OTT reactions. This is not normal BB behaviour.

Either that or he deserves TEN Oscars.

Yep that could well be a clue.

But some people just think he is spiritually superior -

:shrug:

[abhorson]

Yep that could well be a clue.

But some people just think he is spiritually superior -

:shrug:

That puts me right off too. but i put it down to brain damage:laugh:

[jet]

Me too, whenever I perceive Gary's behaviour to be rude/difficult I can't help but wonder if it's due to his brain injury so I shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Maybe you've seen this before but I'll say it anyway just incase. I know it's only wikipedia so not a great source, but it says that a doctor claimed Gary's mental filters were affected by his injury and was prescribed drugs to reduce that. It claims the source is from Celeb Rehab but I've never seen the show so couldn't say if it was really shown on there, or if the show is "real". If true, sounds like Gary's impulsivity (interrupting conversations etc.) could be a symptom of his injury. And if that is true, I feel really bad for Gary when housemates shout at him/nom him for interrupting.. He probably doesn't quite get what the problem is.

Which is why the HM's should be told if that is the case, otherwise it is just cruel to Gary and unfair on them not to be aware of that.
I didn't see Celeb rehab either, though I've heard about him on it, so I can't say.

[jessicadanielle]

Which is why the HM's should be told if that is the case, otherwise it is just cruel to Gary and unfair on them not to be aware of that.
I didn't see Celeb rehab either, though I've heard about him on it, so I can't say.

Yeah I'd be so angry if I was James and had been ranting at Gary about stuff that actually was due to his brain injury and I'd had no idea about. Really unfair.

[Jules2]

[QUOTE=LiamPRW;7226723]So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

[jessicadanielle]

[QUOTE=LiamPRW;7226723]So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

Agreed. James himself gave Frenchy a lecture when she apologised for throwing food etc. that an apology isn't worth anything if there's no feeling behind it and you're just saying it because you were told. Seems similar with James to me... his help means nothing if there's no feeling behind it, which there doesn't seem to be when he talks sh*t about Gary afterwards.

[jessicadanielle]

Sorry for the misquote above. It won't let me edit for some reason.

[abhorson]

[QUOTE=LiamPRW;7226723]So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

Well said.

Whether he knows or not, this would stand.

[Jules2]

Sorry for the misquote above. It won't let me edit for some reason.

Hi Jessie I think it is because I took it off to edit it but we must have acted at the same time. I did put more onto it but I think you have got it down to a T.

[jet]

[QUOTE=LiamPRW;7226723]So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

I doubt he thinks losing his temper with Gary is doing him good with the viewers. I think he is just being himself - short fused. And yes, he does seem to have a big ego, as do most of them.

[Liam-]

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

It's not about making himself look good imo, it's obvious he doesn't like Gary, but he puts those feelings aside to help him when he knows he needs help, i know he bitches about him, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done for him, i don't see how helping someone even though he doesn't necessarily like them makes him a bad person? :shrug:

[abhorson]

Because he was asked too by BB because of his intolerence. Was he going to say NO. ?

Now most can see it in a begruding way.

[Jules2]

Yep that could well be a clue.

But some people just think he is spiritually superior -

:shrug:

He certainly has a knowledge of spiritual things but it doesnt make him superior. If we all sat in class and were taught geography, I would be hopeless whereas another being would be top of the class. I wouldnt deem that person superior though. Everything imo depends on what we want to learn, many resort to religion and think they have the true answers etc. etc. Gary just wants to learn more and more and once a truth has been shown it is hard to let it go. At the time it is our own truth, I have many, the same as others. Nevertheless none of us is superior. It is all life.

[Jules2]

It's not about making himself look good imo, it's obvious he doesn't like Gary, but he puts those feelings aside to help him when he knows he needs help, i know he bitches about him, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done for him, i don't see how helping someone even though he doesn't necessarily like them makes him a bad person? :shrug:

Tbh I didnt say James was a bad person, what I am saying is dont help Gary and then go out and take the mickey out of him.......it is twofaced.

[JoshBB]

Tbh I didnt say James was a bad person, what I am saying is dont help Gary and then go out and take the mickey out of him.......it is twofaced.

Even though that is the qualities of a really vile person.

[jet]

It's not about making himself look good imo, it's obvious he doesn't like Gary, but he puts those feelings aside to help him when he knows he needs help, i know he bitches about him, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done for him, i don't see how helping someone even though he doesn't necessarily like them makes him a bad person? :shrug:

I agree, but I think James does like him, which could make it all the more frustrating as James says he tries to help him and Gary is just rude in return. So maybe bitching about him lets out those frustrations.
We either believe what James is saying and the edits aren't showing this, or he's lying even though there are camera's around 24/7. I will believe him until someone says 'He's a liar, Gary is never rude when James is helping him' - which could happen, who knows?

[Northern Monkey]

Team Gary all the way here.James is a patronising ****

[Jules2]

Because he was asked too by BB because of his intolerence. Was he going to say NO. ?

Now most can see it in a begruding way.

He was asked to make sure that Gary wasnt alienated. James was ready to say that Gary was going to be as by then the HMs were fed up with him. Imo this was due to Leslie and James making things bad for him, then the rest just fell in. BB cut in and were crafty. I thought that was very clever of them.

[Jules2]

Team Gary all the way here.James is a patronising ****

For me as well.

[Liam-]

Tbh I didnt say James was a bad person, what I am saying is dont help Gary and then go out and take the mickey out of him.......it is twofaced.

It might be two-faced, but at least he is the only one helping him with things that he needs help with, no-one else is going to do to anything for him are they? :laugh:

[CaudleHalbard]

I suspect when Gary is interviewed he'll be full of praise for James.

[Kay545craig]

Thank goodness people see James for what he is! He thinks that his behaviour is acceptable? Him and Stephanie are vile disgusting people their girlfriends/boyfriends wana be ashamed! They should have no air time esp when they are evicted!

[Chopper1986]

I suspect when Gary is interviewed he'll be full of praise for James.

IMO that's correct because Gary is a decent human being who believes those people are his friends , I wonder what he will say when he sees what we see