Stephanie has now admitted to bullying Gary.

[ThriceShy]

In the diary room she clearly agreed that she had been bullying Gary. So that is now put to bed and the people claiming that it wasn't bullying were wrong.

But why did BB let her get away with saying "he made me bully him."

[jaxie]

In the diary room she clearly agreed that she had been bullying Gary. So that is now put to bed and the people claiming that it wasn't bullying were wrong.

But why did BB let her get away with saying "he made me bully him."

Unbelieveable isn't it?

[Absorption]

"His behaviour turned me into a bully. I take full responsibility for that."

Of course you do, Stephanie. Just like your second statement in that quote doesn't contradict the first!

[jessicadanielle]

"His behaviour turned me into a bully. I take full responsibility for that."

Of course you do, Stephanie. Just like your second statement in that quote doesn't contradict the first!

I know wtf

[Marsh.]

Given the fact she said "he made me bully him" means she doesn't understand the definition of the word.

[jaxie]

You have to wonder why she hasn't been thrown out of the house really. They've done it in cases of bullying before.

[jessicadanielle]

Given the fact she said "he made me bully him" means she doesn't understand the definition of the word.

Why does it mean that?

[Pincho Paxton]

She didn't think she was bullying, she thought that denial would get her in more trouble.

[ThriceShy]

You have to wonder why she hasn't been thrown out of the house really. They've done it in cases of bullying before.

Where is the consistency?

Emily was ejected at 3am with no knickers on because she said the N word in a jokey rap song type way. Not a good idea, but a first offence.

Meanwhile, admitted bully Stephanie is allowed to bully people and then blame them for the bullying.

[Miranda123]

In the diary room she clearly agreed that she had been bullying Gary. So that is now put to bed and the people claiming that it wasn't bullying were wrong.

But why did BB let her get away with saying "he made me bully him."

I think I would have a problem with someone who spits everywhere too, I would just handle it differently...........

[ThriceShy]

She didn't think she was bullying, she thought that denial would get her in more trouble.

How do you know that?

We can't guess her thoughts. All we can go by is what she said. She said that his behaviour made her bully him. So she admitted bullying. Anything else is stuff that you are making up.

[Marsh.]

Why does it mean that?

Because how on earth can someone "make" you bully them? It makes no sense.

The whole point of bullying is an unfair advantage on one side/unprovoked attacks.

[Miranda123]

Where is the consistency?

Emily was ejected at 3am with no knickers on because she said the N word in a jokey rap song type way. Not a good idea, but a first offence.

Meanwhile, admitted bully Stephanie is allowed to bully people and then blame them for the bullying.

oh slow down for fsakes, this is all reaching a bit, I would have aproblem with a guy who spits everywhere too, they just need to control him a bit more

[Pincho Paxton]

How do you know that?

We can't guess her thoughts. All we can go by is what she said. She said that his behaviour made her bully him. So she admitted bullying. Anything else is stuff that you are making up.

Body language, and spaces between spoken words. Judi James isn't the only person who can read people. The longer the space between words, the harder it is to say those words. She didn't want to say she was bullying, but felt that she had to.

[ThriceShy]

I think I would have a problem with someone who spits everywhere too, I would just handle it differently...........

You make allowances for a brain damaged person though.

I once saw an episode of Oprah about a young college girl who had an car accident that damaged her brain. Her father said the worst thing he had to deal with was his daughter constantly making sexual advances toward him.

That is an extreme case, but it shows the way it can takeaway normal inhibitions and filters.

Decent people make allowances. Nasty people like stephanie use it as an excuse to bully weaker people.

[ThriceShy]

Body language, and spaces between spoken words. Judi James isn't the only person who can read people. The longer the space between words, the harder it is to say those words. She didn't want to say she was bullying, but felt that she had to.

Perhaps those words were hard to say because she was ashamed of herself and reluctant to admit to the audience that she was bullying.

[Pincho Paxton]

Perhaps those words were hard to say because she was ashamed of herself and reluctant to admit to the audience that she was bullying.

Apart from the spaces between words her eyes gave away that she didn't believe what she was having to say. You combine the two things together.

[ThriceShy]

Apart from the spaces between words her eyes gave away that she didn't believe what she was having to say. You combine the two things together.

I thought her eyes were showing embarrassment and shame at people knowing she was a bully.

All we can know for certain is that she admitted to bullying and BB warned her and accepted what she said.

If you want to combine things together then the combination of BB thinking she was bullying (and they watch 24 hours) and Stephanie admitting it, is a hell of a convincing combination.

[Forgetmenot]

oh slow down for fsakes, this is all reaching a bit, I would have aproblem with a guy who spits everywhere too, they just need to control him a bit more

I see men spitting in the streets often. I thought it was unlawful but never seen or heard of any one being arrested..then there are all those who spit out gum, evidenced everywhere, especially out side supermarkets, yuk..just thought I'd add my two Penrith worth..carry on folks.:hehe:

[Jamesy]

I think people are getting carried away in here.

She didn't quite "admit" she was bullying him in the diary room warning segment. She just merely confirmed that she agrees with her behaviour being perceived as bullying. Those are two slightly different things.

She just didn't bother arguing against her behaviour being perceived differently by viewers.

[Chopper1986]

You make allowances for a brain damaged person though.

I once saw an episode of Oprah about a young college girl who had an car accident that damaged her brain. Her father said the worst thing he had to deal with was his daughter constantly making sexual advances toward him.

That is an extreme case, but it shows the way it can takeaway normal inhibitions and filters.

Decent people make allowances. Nasty people like stephanie use it as an excuse to bully weaker people.

Here here !!!! The poor guys undeserving of this and so far I've yet to see Gary spit "everywhere " . Stephanie is a nasty piece of work always had been even from her days in the hills she would victimise and back stab people then use feeble exscuses to justify her behaviour as is here now !

And big brother has not done enough to put the matter to bed , she really deserves punishment of some sort instead of being treated like a super popular powered celeb who we'd all miss, kick her to the Kirb and get shot of het

[puzzled]

Body language, and spaces between spoken words. Judi James isn't the only person who can read people. The longer the space between words, the harder it is to say those words. She didn't want to say she was bullying, but felt that she had to.

:worship:

[puzzled]

It's amazing how most of these people cave because they don't want to lose the money. Yes, yes, Big Brother, I'm a POS.

[joeysteele]

Whatever way she meant it, she came across really badly. It is just a pity she didn't go out on friday for me.

[ThriceShy]

I think people are getting carried away in here.

She didn't quite "admit" she was bullying him in the diary room warning segment. She just merely confirmed that she agrees with her behaviour being perceived as bullying. Those are two slightly different things.

She just didn't bother arguing against her behaviour being perceived differently by viewers.

No she clearly stated that his behaviour made her bully him. A definitive admission that bullying took place.

[Ace]

Where is the consistency?

Emily was ejected at 3am with no knickers on because she said the N word in a jokey rap song type way. Not a good idea, but a first offence.

Meanwhile, admitted bully Stephanie is allowed to bully people and then blame them for the bullying.

This is Not true. There was no rap song involved. It was blurted out right in the middle of a conversation. Charlie was saying that her belly was getting big and that she thought she might be pregnant. Emily said, "your pushing it out you N"

She was rightly ejected. Should have been tarred and feather before she went, the ignoramus.

[ThriceShy]

This is Not true. There was no rap song involved. It was blurted out right in the middle of a conversation. Charlie was saying that her belly was getting big and that she thought she might be pregnant. Emily said, "your pushing it out you N"

She was rightly ejected. Should have been tarred and feather before she went, the ignoramus.

And you think that is worse than relentlessly bullying a 70 year old disabled man????

[Ace]

And you think that is worse than relentlessly bullying a 70 year old disabled man????

Certainly not, stephanie should have been kicked out long ago, kicked with a very large boot.

And james should have been ejected too the moment he threatened a frail 70yo after the dutchess task.

If BB had taken proper action like they did in the Emma incident we wouldn't have had to witness their vile behaviour for nearly two weeks.

[ThriceShy]

Certainly not, stephanie should have been kicked out long ago, kicked with a very large boot.

And james should have been ejected too the moment he threatened a frail 70yo after the dutchess task.

If BB had taken proper action like they did in the Emma incident we wouldn't have had to witness their vile behaviour for nearly two weeks.

Well I agree with you about James and Stephanie but I thought the treatment of Emily was harsh. I mean, for a start, what was the need to evict Emily at 3am with just a nightie on? Couldn't they have waited until she woke up in the morning?

[Ammi]

I think I would have a problem with someone who spits everywhere too, I would just handle it differently...........

..this is it though isn't it Miranda..it's not that you can't understand irritations and annoyances with him, it's how they've all acted with those and how it's become a complete intolerance for all of them...and for me it's nothing to do with age or respect because we had this with Ashleigh and her being so much younger/the youngest ..:laugh:...it's that he has got an impairment/disability regardless of age.. which other housemates in the past have also had and been extended consideration for that but Gary hasn't been at all...I think the truth of it is and for whatever their reasons..(which may feel valid to them..)...many don't like him so if you don't like someone, it makes it ok to treat them the way they have with Gary..?..considerations/tolerance/understandings only apply when you like someone..?...it's just been so wrong and worrying that 'adults' can succumb to the 'playground pack' situation and lose all their empathy in their personal dislike for that person/justify their behaviour to themselves somehow...

[joeysteele]

..this is it though isn't it Miranda..it's not that you can't understand irritations and annoyances with him, it's how they've all acted with those and how it's become a complete intolerance for all of them...and for me it's nothing to do with age or respect because we had this with Ashleigh and her being so much younger/the youngest ..:laugh:...it's that he has got an impairment/disability regardless of age.. which other housemates in the past have also had and been extended consideration for that but Gary hasn't been at all...I think the truth of it is and for whatever their reasons..(which may feel valid to them..)...many don't like him so if you don't like someone, it makes it ok to treat them the way they have with Gary..?..considerations/tolerance/understandings only apply when you like someone..?...it's just been so wrong and worrying that 'adults' can succumb to the 'playground pack' situation and lose all their empathy in their personal dislike for that person/justify their behaviour to themselves somehow...


Great post, I actually get more and more amazed at how some of them just cannot even accept their treatment of Gary is in any way wrong.
Patronising statements like 'trying to educate you' are all a belittling example of an individual.

I like that Gary appears to in the main pay 'lip service' to what they are saying and then just carries on regardless.

So you say at the end of your post, losing empathy because of their dislike of Gary and using that as an excuse to justify their behaviour,is for me anyway, way out of line.

[Ammi]

Great post, I actually get more and more amzed at how some of them just cannot even accept their treatment of Gary is in any way wrong.
Patronising statements like 'trying to educate you' are all a belittling example of an individual.

I like that Gary appears to in the main pay 'lip service' to what tyhey are saying and then just carries on regardless.

S you say at the end of your post, losing empathy because of their dislike of Gary and using that as an excuse to justify their behaviour,is for me anyway, way out of line.

..yeah, it's one of the mind-sets of 'perceived bullying' and bullying is how it could be perceived... or any 'pack' situation, which so often happens in playgrounds but also happens in the BB house sometimes because of the close environment etc and not being around people you would 'normally' choose to.... 'it's your fault because you don't make yourself very 'likeable'/'fi in' etc....'it's your responsibility to change', to look at yourself/not ours for our intolerances or how we've shown them....

[bots]

'it's your responsibility to change', to look at yourself/not ours for our intolerances or how we've shown them....

Yes, but its more complicated than that because some behaviors will demand utter intolerance where others won't and the pack isn't capable of differentiating between them, which is why they come across so badly. I maintain that if Gary wasn't a major threat to them winning BB, he wouldn't be an issue for them at all. Indeed, those that appear to be the most tolerant of him are the ones with the least interest in winning the series.

[Ellen]

Did Stephanie tell the others she had been spoken to by BB about her treatment of Gary?

[Ammi]

Yes, but its more complicated than that because some behaviors will demand utter intolerance where others won't and the pack isn't capable of differentiating between them, which is why they come across so badly. I maintain that if Gary wasn't a major threat to them winning BB, he wouldn't be an issue for them at all. Indeed, those that appear to be the most tolerant of him are the ones with the least interest in winning the series.

..hmmmm, I sort of get the 'threat' thing but then they seem so genuinely confused when they get booed and don't see their treatment of him as being a possible reason..?..they always seem to try and analyse and come up with lots of other possibilities but don't seem to consider that unless it's specifically pointed out...maybe the more tolerant ones and the ones less interested in actually winning or just the 'nicer' ones generally..?...

[bots]

..hmmmm, I sort of get the 'threat' thing but then they seem so genuinely confused when they get booed and don't see their treatment of him as being a possible reason..?..they always seem to try and analyse and come up with lots of other possibilities but don't seem to consider that unless it's specifically pointed out...maybe the more tolerant ones and the ones less interested in actually winning or just the 'nicer' ones generally..?...

I think they don't understand the boos because the pack has been confirming and validating that its ok to treat Gary that way, so they don't see it as a problem. George got cheered so he isn't going to think he has done anything wrong. I think most realize that that the crowd reaction is panto anyway but still can't cope when they hear boos.

One would have thought that Stephanie would have told the pack that she got hauled up for her treatment of Gary, and they would have adjusted their behaviour because of this, but I don't see any evidence of it yet.

[Robodog]

This is Not true. There was no rap song involved. It was blurted out right in the middle of a conversation. Charlie was saying that her belly was getting big and that she thought she might be pregnant. Emily said, "your pushing it out you N"

She was rightly ejected. Should have been tarred and feather before she went, the ignoramus.

I saw that episode (you can still see it on youtube i think) and she didn't say it in an insulting way to cause harm, she said it in that 'street slang' way, like you would say 'homey' or 'geeza' or 'bro'. She used it in the way it's used in hip hop all the time.

It was just a poor choice of word because there is so much controversy and potential upset around the word, people have to be very careful when, where and how they say it. Plus, you have to have a pretty established relationship with the person you use it with so they know where you are coming from and won't take it as an insult.

BB is not the ideal place to sound it out as Emily found out. But she was not saying it with any venom or cruelty. It was meant in a hip hoppy way but it was a very poorly chosen word indeed, especially in those circumstances.

[Jules2]

Yes, but its more complicated than that because some behaviors will demand utter intolerance where others won't and the pack isn't capable of differentiating between them, which is why they come across so badly. I maintain that if Gary wasn't a major threat to them winning BB, he wouldn't be an issue for them at all. Indeed, those that appear to be the most tolerant of him are the ones with the least interest in winning the series.

Good post, when a new house begins the HMs seem to collect together in groups, one or two make themselves the mother/father so that when it comes to noms they will be deemed safe. We have some in there who deem themselves to be everyones friend, even so they werent including Gary. He is his own person and his nom is immaterial to them.

Leslie saw him as his main foe and tried to undermime him, James just domineers him but the one I really like because he is just, is Audley. He has gone up to third favourite pushing Dee down to 4th. Yes, well done lad.

We now hear that Gary is making an effort and I see that one or two of the others are also doing the same. Whether or not it is because they acknowledge his popularity and want to be seen to be near him, I do not know. All Gary has every done is to say thankyou, I am learning so if he gets something out of it then well done. He will have his payment and when he comes out, even if he doesnt win, he will know that a great part of the public have stood by him. He is living his own truth and accepting their criticism. Cant be bad...

I would say that a lot of it is to try and keep in with the largest group so that they have each others back but........they should watch out because one or two are soooooooooooo twofaced. My main one is Dee....

[jet]

Good post, when a new house begins the HMs seem to collect together in groups, one or two make themselves the mother/father so that when it comes to noms they will be deemed safe. We have some in there who deem themselves to be everyones friend, even so they werent including Gary. He is his own person and his nom is immaterial to them.

Leslie saw him as his main foe and tried to undermime him, James just domineers him but the one I really like because he is just, is Audley. He has gone up to third favourite pushing Dee down to 4th. Yes, well done lad.

We now hear that Gary is making an effort and I see that one or two of the others are also doing the same. Whether or not it is because they acknowledge his popularity and want to be seen to be near him, I do not know. All Gary has every done is to say thankyou, I am learning so if he gets something out of it then well done. He will have his payment and when he comes out, even if he doesnt win, he will know that a great part of the public have stood by him. He is living his own truth and accepting their criticism. Cant be bad...

I would say that a lot of it is to try and keep in with the largest group so that they have each others back but........they should watch out because one or two are soooooooooooo twofaced. My main one is Dee....

I don't get Dee at all. Out of them all, I would have thought she would be the one without a big ego, the 'mother' of the group who would tell the others off for their treatment of Gary and make sure he was included.
Yet she has no time for him at all, never goes near him that we've seen, and seems to really dislike him. What really annoyed me was when she shouted at him for touching the pizza 'with his hands' and saying she would wash the clothes then do Gary's separately as if he was a leper or something. Horrid woman.

[Tarryn]

Stephanie is a horrible person. She is using George, refuses to take any criticism about her behaviour & treats a 70 year old man like dirt.
And when Audley stands up to her she does the tried & tested method of crying :bawling:
She should have gone instead of Leslie.

[ThriceShy]

I think they don't understand the boos because the pack has been confirming and validating that its ok to treat Gary that way, so they don't see it as a problem. George got cheered so he isn't going to think he has done anything wrong. I think most realize that that the crowd reaction is panto anyway but still can't cope when they hear boos.

One would have thought that Stephanie would have told the pack that she got hauled up for her treatment of Gary, and they would have adjusted their behaviour because of this, but I don't see any evidence of it yet.

It isn't panto. If it was then they wouldn't have got rid of the crowd for Jade's eviction.

[ThriceShy]

I saw that episode (you can still see it on youtube i think) and she didn't say it in an insulting way to cause harm, she said it in that 'street slang' way, like you would say 'homey' or 'geeza' or 'bro'. She used it in the way it's used in hip hop all the time.

It was just a poor choice of word because there is so much controversy and potential upset around the word, people have to be very careful when, where and how they say it. Plus, you have to have a pretty established relationship with the person you use it with so they know where you are coming from and won't take it as an insult.

BB is not the ideal place to sound it out as Emily found out. But she was not saying it with any venom or cruelty. It was meant in a hip hoppy way but it was a very poorly chosen word indeed, especially in those circumstances.

As Emily pointed out at the time, it wasn't the first time it had been used and Charley used it herself.

Either everyone can say it or nobody can. Even that vile woman who was sat with them (can't be bothered remembering her name) said it during the course of the kerfuffle and she got away with it too because she wasn't white.

The biggest irony of course is that Charley was one of the vilest housemates ever and not only was it tolerated, BB even fake evicted her to make sure she stayed in. Meanwhile, Emily, the decent person, had her life destroyed for using the same word Charley had.