Isil (ISIS): New Hostage is Alan Henning and now a 3rd British Hostage video

[arista]

More sad news



[The White House is investigating reports of the beheading of US hostage Steven Sotloff by Islamic State militants in a video.

He was last seen in Syria in August 2013 until he appeared in a video released online last month by the Islamist group which showed the murder of fellow American journalist James Foley, who was also beheaded.]

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http://news.sky.com/story/1329061/reports-of-second-us-journalist-beheaded-by-is

[Ammi]

..on ITV News, they said a British hostage is being held and will be murdered next....

[arista]

..on ITV News, they said a British hostage is being held and will be murdered next....


Thats sad news



Evil Terror Group IS
needs to be stopped

[Sticks]

Can't say things like that

You may get accused of Islamophic racism

[AnnieK]

Dear god.....when will this end? Horrific.

[lily.]

I was just about to post this.. saw the breaking news a minute ago.

The US won't give in to this kind of behaviour, thankfully.

[Sticks]

Remember we can not condemn IS, we have to value their diversity

Just as the good folks in Rotherham did (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612)

[Jord]

Jesus

[MTVN]

Remember we can not condemn IS, we have to value their diversity

Just as the good folks in Rotherham did (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612)

That's a fairly nonsense comparison to make, and completely unnecessary as well really when ISIS are being freely and basically universally condemned with nobody fearing any racism accusation

[coffee]

****ing disgusting >=[

[Northern Monkey]

They need bombing out of existence.

[Ninastar]

They need bombing out of existence.

If there was a way to totally destroy them and not Koop anyone innocent, I'd be all for it

[lily.]

If there was a way to totally destroy them and not Koop anyone innocent, I'd be all for it

This.

Unfortunately innocent lives will be lost along the way.

[Ammi]

ISIS has issued a direct threat to David Cameron by threatening to murder a British hostage after beheading a second US journalist.

A masked Islamic State fighter spoke with an English accent as he executed Steven Sotloff in a video released online today entitled 'A Second Message to America'.

He then holds up a British man kneeling in an orange jumpsuit and warns: he is next.

The disturbing threat leaves the Prime Minister with the chilling prospect of a British national murdering another in the name of ISIS.

Steven Sotloff's killer is believed to be the same man that murdered James Foley two weeks ago - known as 'Jihadi John'.

The British hostage is believed to be an aid worker that was based on the Turkish border of Syria working with victims of war.

David Cameron tonight hit out at the ‘absolutely disgusting, despicable’ murder of US hostage Steven Sotloff and called for a meeting of the Government's Cobra emergency committee tomorrow morning.

He said: 'If verified, this is a despicable and barbaric murder. My thoughts and prayers are with Mr Sotloff’s family and friends tonight as they deal with this appalling and tragic situation.


'As I have said consistently over the last few weeks, ISIL terrorists speak for no religion. They threaten Syrians, Iraqis, Americans and British people alike and make no distinction between Muslims, Christians or any other faith.


'We have already been working hard to keep British people safe and we will continue to do all we can to protect our country and our people from these barbaric terrorists. Tomorrow morning I will chair a COBRA meeting to review these latest developments.'

The Prime Minister was addressing Tory MPs in a private meeting in Parliament when gloating ISIS executioners released the footage.

At the end of the meeting of the Conservative backbench 1922 committee, Mr Cameron was seen looking at his blackberry before emerging to address journalists.

He said: ‘I’ve just seen the news. It is an absolutely disgusting, despicable act.’

In the video, the killer says: ‘I am back, Obama, and I am back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic State, because of your insistence on continuing your bombings and ... on Mosul Dam, despite our serious warnings.

‘Just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.’

The extremist also warns other governments against entering ‘this evil alliance of America against the Islamic State’.

It comes just 24 hours after Mr Cameron outlined a fresh crack down on extremists returning from the Middle East to wage war on Britain.

He told MPs in a Commons statement that police will be given the power to seize the passports of terror suspects trying to join jihadists fighting in Iraq and Syria

He also revealed the Government was considering new powers to force jihadis living in the UK to relocate, while airlines will be compelled to hand over passenger lists before flights take off.

In the video released tonight, Sotloff, 31, appears in a orange jumpsuit before he is beheaded by an Islamic State fighter.

The executioner tells the camera: 'I’m back, Obama, and I’m back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic State.'


Sotloff, 31, from Miami, who freelanced for Time and Foreign Policy magazines, vanished in Syria in August 2013 and was not seen again until he appeared in a video released online last month that showed Foley's beheading.


In the new video that shows the killing of Sotloff, the executioner points his knife menacingly at the camera as he speaks.


Clad in the same black garb he wore during Foley’s execution, the killer has a pistol strapped under his arm in a shoulder holster. The black flag of the Islamic State can be seen waving in the background.


Sotloff calmly read a statement moments before his murder. ‘I’m sure you know exactly who I am by now and why I am appearing,' he says.


He adds to the camera: ‘Obama, your foreign policy of intervention in Iraq was supposed to be for preservation of American lives and interests, so why is it that I am paying the price of your interference with my life?’


While he speaks, a militant calmly holds a knife at his side and stands next to Sotloff.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741169/ISIS-executioner-Jihadi-John-threatens-execute-British-hostage-beheads-second-US-journalist.html#ixzz3CC0CWBkl
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[Northern Monkey]

This.

Unfortunately innocent lives will be lost along the way.

Innocent lives are already being lost,Put an end to it imo.

[joeysteele]

They need bombing out of existence.

Sadly, I think you say it as it is.I hate force and war of any kind but there does come a time when tolerance becomes a cop out.

These people are nothing else but barbarians at the very best for a description of them, they have no place in any society whatsoever.

What is needed in my view, is all Countries to universally come together to completely clear those in this vile organisation out of existence.
Even if that means dealing with some leaders we would prefer not to, to achieve that result.

No sitting around talking,waiting for strike after strike to hit more innocent lives, just get rid of the lot of them once and for all.
Never thought I would see the day when I even advocated anything like that.

[Ninastar]

Sadly, I think you say it as it is.I hate force and war of any kind but there does come a time when tolerance becomes a cop out.

These people are nothing else but barbarians at the very best for a description of them, they have no place in any society whatsoever.

What is needed in my view, is all Countries to universally come together to completely clear those in this vile organisation out of existence.
Even if that means dealing with some leaders we would prefer not to, to achieve that result.

No sitting around talking,waiting for strike after strike to hit more innocent lives, just get rid of the lot of them once and for all.
Never thought I would see the day when I even advocated anything like that.

I wish something like this could happen. Sadly I can't see it.

Would be nice though. These people dont give a damn about who they kill.

[arista]

Executioner:
Taunting Obama: Sotloff's masked executioner tells the camera that the killing is in retaliation for US airstrikes in Iraq:

['I’m back Obama, and I’m back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic state,
because of your insistence on continuing your bombings and… on Mosul Dam,
despite our serious warnings.
'You Obama, have but to gain from your actions but another American citizen.
'So just as your missiles continue to strike out people, our knife will continue
to strike the necks of your people.
'We take this opportunity to warn those governments that enter
this evil alliance of America against the Islamic State to back
off and leave our people alone']

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741169/ISIS-executioner-Jihadi-John-threatens-execute-British-hostage-beheads-second-US-journalist.html#ixzz3CDLFI6Of

[Northern Monkey]

Sadly, I think you say it as it is.I hate force and war of any kind but there does come a time when tolerance becomes a cop out.

These people are nothing else but barbarians at the very best for a description of them, they have no place in any society whatsoever.

What is needed in my view, is all Countries to universally come together to completely clear those in this vile organisation out of existence.
Even if that means dealing with some leaders we would prefer not to, to achieve that result.

No sitting around talking,waiting for strike after strike to hit more innocent lives, just get rid of the lot of them once and for all.
Never thought I would see the day when I even advocated anything like that.

I agree.A multi national team could be created from around the area to go in and try to rescue the prisoners and eradicate IS.Turkey,Saudi Arabia,Kurdistan even Iran and Syria with US/UK air assistance.I know it's not that simple as more of these Jihadists are coming up through the ranks but the main protagonists out there now could be dealt with as an example and hostages hopefully freed by special forces from these countries.These extremists need to be hit hard to show that what they're doing won't be tolerated.

[lily.]

Innocent lives are already being lost,Put an end to it imo.


I agree.

[Novo]

How long before Obama gets on his hands and Knees to Putin and admits he was right all along regarding Syria and Putin saves the day again and finishes them off, the script has been written for a long time, he's the only world leader who seems to have the right views on Radical Muslims and what to do with them

[Novo]

I suppose in reality though there will never truly be an end to it all without all out war, there isn't anyway you can bargain with people who are capable of that, they have been brainwashed into thinking they are carrying out a duty, if American airstrikes stopped like they demand they will always use something else a reason for more bloodshed.. Its a never ending cycle

[Ninastar]

been watching all kinds of reports and reading all kinds of different articles and it's actually worrying how high of a percentage there are of 'extremists' in this religion. A pretty scary thought

[Northern Monkey]

The world is a bad place to live at the moment,I think it is heading towards a possible WW3 in the first half of this century.Russia won't listen,They say one thing whilst doing the opposite,Jihadis want to kill us all,Israel and Iran are close to a war which would destroy the Middle East and would involve America and us and maybe Syria and Russia.North Korea have nukes and want to wipe America off the face of the earth,China another big nuclear state are playing games.The world is a scary place.

[Novo]

Russia aren't a problem, they see ISIS as much of a threat as anyone else in Europe does, they have warned us for years about what would happen regarding Syria and Iraq way back when Bush was president, NATO's attitude towards them is the problem right now, let Putin do his thing and focus on ISIS, better the enemy you know then the enemy you don't

[arista]

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[Sticks]

Time to stop the bombing now

How much more innocent blood will be on Obama's hands

This will just inspire more Jihad-is here to take action just like they did on 7/7

[JoshBB]

Can't say things like that

You may get accused of Islamophic racism

No you wouldn't, lmfao. The islam religion doesn't believe in this evil ****.

[Sticks]

You do not deal with a wasp's nest by hitting it with a stick, that just makes them swarm and attack

[arista]

Time to stop the bombing now

How much more innocent blood will be on Obama's hands

This will just inspire more Jihad-is here to take action just like they did on 7/7



No America is doing even more



Yes its a War
just a shame that no good USA President
will not say its a war.


He due in Wales

[Sticks]

Obama is proving the old adage that generals spend their time on preparing for the previous war.

[arista]

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[rubymoo]

The world is a bad place to live at the moment,I think it is heading towards a possible WW3 in the first half of this century.Russia won't listen,They say one thing whilst doing the opposite,Jihadis want to kill us all,Israel and Iran are close to a war which would destroy the Middle East and would involve America and us and maybe Syria and Russia.North Korea have nukes and want to wipe America off the face of the earth,China another big nuclear state are playing games.The world is a scary place.

I agree i also think we could be heading towards a world war, especially as the French have refused to give the Russians their warships, so more and more people are being dragged into it.

The thing that scares me the most is that there are radicalized people living on our doorstep, and Mahmood is asking for them to start killing in the streets here, Cameron should've blocked entry back into the UK for these people years ago, but i read that that goes against their human rights, i want to know.....what about our human rights?

[anne666]

They've threatened Putin now. They claim to have Russian fighter planes from taking over an RAF base in Syria. They also claim to have Syrian combat pilots in captivity to fly them.

http://rt.com/news/184836-isis-putin-kadyrov-syria/

I don't know how much of this to believe. Why haven't they used them before now? I believe The US will only go in there in the air if they threaten Kurdistan again, as they already have because of their major interest and investment in the oil fields. As well as the Mosul dam of course. Or if they move south to where the major oilfields are. The US benefitted hugely in oil from the Iraq war, which was basically all that was about and the Gulf War. Humanitarianism is not a priority and never has been. ISIS have Syrian oil minor Iraqi oil fields, which mean nothing to the West.. I believe terrorism, horrifically, is the price we are paying for being so oil dependant on the Middle East.

They aren't winning their oilfield battle lately, but have enough income from them to fund their extremist activities.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/03/business/defterios-oil-isis/



ISIS may not be operating the type of polished pipeline infrastructure one would find in southern Iraq around Basra, but Iraqi oil ministry officials say an old fashioned truck network for this crude is active and serving distribution needs.

[lily.]

I hope they have threatened Russia.

Russia will just wade right in and destroy the bastards.

[lostalex]

Obama is proving the old adage that generals spend their time on preparing for the previous war.

this seems to be part of the previous war though...

[lostalex]

I hope they have threatened Russia.

Russia will just wade right in and destroy the bastards.

ISIS has already said that they are moving towards Russia, and threatened Russia to not get involved.

[lostalex]

I hope they have threatened Russia.

Russia will just wade right in and destroy the bastards.

no they won't. Russia hopes that the west gets involved against Isis so they can continue their march towards Europe uninterrupted.

[Kizzy]

The name keeps changing, I saw ISIL yesterday why the change from Syria to Libya?

[lostalex]

The name keeps changing, I saw ISIL yesterday why the change from Syria to Libya?

yea i noticed that too. can't we just change the name to ISLAM? we seem to be confusing the letters but it all seems to be adding up to the same problem, ISLAM.

[Kizzy]

Well no, as then there would be violence against peaceful non extremist muslims.

[lostalex]

Well no, as then there would be violence against peaceful non extremist muslims.

well there should be violence in islam, the peaceful SANE muslims should be doing the work to eliminate the hateful fascist muslims.

Why are christians and jews expected to do the dirty work of fighting against them? why aren't the NORMAL muslims themselves fighting them on their own?

When we(christians, jews,"the west") do the dirty work, it gets painted as an attack on ALL muslims by the evil christians and jews. like we are some kind of invading force.

I am SICK of Muslims and the Arab world and their ****ing bull****. enough is enough.

[Ninastar]

I do agree about peaceful muslims not wanting to get rid of these people who ruin their title.

I saw this really good video a while back of a woman talking about Benghazi and then a muslim woman asks her about why the US 'hate' muslims so much. The woman talked about how it was bad of the only muslim representative to talk about muslims at an event about people who were killed by muslims. It was really interesting. I can't remember the whole story, will try and find it in a bit.

[Sticks]

I am SICK of Muslims and the Arab world and their ****ing bull****. enough is enough.

Do you realise that sentiment like this here in the UK is illegal as it violates the laws concerning incitement to religious hatred. :nono:

[Kizzy]

I'm sick of Christians, the Jewish and Muslims lock me up! :laugh:

[arista]

'You're letting an innocent man die':
Anger of British hostage's friends at UK government
for not paying a ransom to save his life

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745654/Pictured-wedding-day-British-hostage-David-Haines-wife-reveals-I-cry-I-helpless.html#ixzz3CYfolbiD


Sadly we have the same rules as America

[lostalex]

Do you realise that sentiment like this here in the UK is illegal as it violates the laws concerning incitement to religious hatred. :nono:

nope, thank gawd i'm not british, and I spell realize with a Z (zee, not zed) 'MURICA

[lily.]

nope, thank gawd i'm not british, and I spell realize with a Z (zee, not zed) 'MURICA

Actually LOLd.

[Brother Leon]

Most of The Muslim leaders who opposed Isis have been kicked out of leadership via rebellion and help by the Western world.

You realise muslim villages have been fighting back and protecting their homes the whole time? Besides this isn't just a religion thing. Just as many Muslims have been killed and beheaded by them. It just doesn't receive as much attention. Hell a campaign to burn their flag went viral in Muslim nations worldwide. Stop your prejudice. It's ridiculous how someone who gets so angry over wrongful prejudice towards Homosexuality is so happy to do the same towards a religion.

[lostalex]

Actually LOLd.

please report yourself to GCHQ immediately. you seem suss to me.

[lily.]

You're saying what a lot of people are thinking, and getting hate for it from the PC brigade.. It amuses me.

edit: .. and yeah, I'm very suss.. ;)

[MTVN]

The name keeps changing, I saw ISIL yesterday why the change from Syria to Libya?

The L doesnt stand for Libya, ISIL is the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

[Ninastar]

finally found it many hours later

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i thought she was brill

[Kizzy]

The L doesnt stand for Libya, ISIL is the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

Oh I thought it was Libya due to those planes going AWOL?

[Northern Monkey]

finally found it many hours later

Ry3NzkAOo3s

i thought she was brill

Hey check this out,She explains alot about radical Islam in the Middle East and about the Caliphate and other issues
http://youtu.be/PFO1AtjoUoo

[lostalex]

if someone beheaded me i would be very upset.

[Kizzy]

You're saying what a lot of people are thinking, and getting hate for it from the PC brigade.. It amuses me.

edit: .. and yeah, I'm very suss.. ;)

Conversely he's also saying what a lot of fascists are saying, that shouldn't amuse anyone imo.

[Ninastar]

Hey check this out,She explains alot about radical Islam in the Middle East and about the Caliphate and other issues
http://youtu.be/PFO1AtjoUoo

I quite like her :D

Its such a long vid, but I'll definitely try and watch it some time soon.

[lily.]

Conversely he's also saying what a lot of fascists are saying, that shouldn't amuse anyone imo.

This is an internet forum. A lot of things amuse me on here.

Do you think lostalex is a fascist?

[Kizzy]

This is an internet forum. A lot of things amuse me on here.

Do you think lostalex is a fascist?

No, of course not, that's like putting two and two together and making five.

[lily.]

I just wanted to clarify, so I thought I would ask instead of assuming.

[Kizzy]

I just wanted to clarify, so I thought I would ask instead of assuming.

Glad I could help, if you misunderstand anything again don't hesitate to ask lily.

[arista]

Reports are saying the British Hostage Worker
has now been Killed


http://news.sky.com/story/1335482/fco-verifying-british-aid-worker-beheading

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/13/isis-video-david-haines-beheading

[Josy]

Fs that's awful if true

[smudgie]

Just so awful, so tragic.

[Kazanne]

Oh no,they are so barbaric.

[arista]

Oh no,they are so barbaric.



Yes he was made to say PM David Cameron
the lap dog of America.
Before the Horrific Murder.




I think more will be done

[arista]

A second British Hostage
is now next in line for this horrific Death.


The PM has returned to Downing Street.

[Ninastar]

ffs, disgusting.

[King Gizzard]

Looking at the *non graphic* photos of it I definitely think its the Bary-Jinny guy doing it.

[Ninastar]

hopefully, ours, the us and whoever elses intellegeince is brilliant and can find out who they are

totally ruines my night hearing this.

[Kizzy]

Poor guy!, think the family were wanting to negotiate too but too late.

[Brother Leon]

Took way too long putting a stop to these animals and they are just getting bigger now. When they were fighting against Gadaffi and Assad and killing and kidnapping innocent, vulnerable people they should have been on all anti terror radars, but it wasn't an issue as they were fighting people deemed evil and in need of losing their power. Shame it's took them doing this sick **** for the western nations to wake up at last.

[Ammi]

..only yesterday I read his family were trying to negotiate/talk to them directly but you just knew that it would be hopeless...ugghhhh, to actually see their children killed this way, for their children's lives to become nothing more than a 'message', it's completely inhumane...I couldn't even begin to know how they must feel...how can people who have families themselves ever do something like this...

[Sticks]

More blood on Obama's and Cameron's hands?

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

..only yesterday I read his family were trying to negotiate/talk to them directly but you just knew that it would be hopeless...ugghhhh, to actually see their children killed this way, for their children's lives to become nothing more than a 'message', it's completely inhumane...I couldn't even begin to know how they must feel...how can people who have families themselves ever do something like this...

I am not aggressive at all really but you cannot talk to, reason or negotiate with these people, they are just the worst sort of barbarians and shouldn't be in existence.

I'd support any Governments moves,all over the World, to clear this rotten scum off the face of the Earth for good, even if that means talking to and enlisting the help of other leaders of Nations we would prefer were not in power.

If the likes of these evil beings are what could take over from them then no thank you and it is time,(it was after the murder of the poor Soldier last year), to get moving and act swiftly and stop the daft meetings and endless talking shops and 'do' something.

Also for me, in this Country, we all in the UK should have the right to see clearly the faces and people we are going onto shops with, on buses and trains with and who we are walking in public with.

If those religious leaders who think that is an infringement of anyones human rights then they themselves should be doing a great deal more to help get rid of this scum that is murdering people,not linked in any way to any armed forces,in such a barbaric and public way.

What this poor man's family must be going through now, doesn't bear imagining.
They along with him are now owed much better and the only thing is to get these people out of action for good.
That is down to Govts, intelligence cooperation worldwide,no more yapping as to it, just get things done and quick too.

[bots]

They are trying to bring America and the UK into a fight with them, and to create disruption in our countries.

The only true solution, in my opinion, is for there to be proper stabilised governments in Iraq and Syria, as that is the only reason they are growing at the moment. There is no short term solution to this

[Ninastar]

I am not aggressive at all really but you cannot talk to, reason or negotiate with these people, they are just the worst sort of barbarians and shouldn't be in existence.

I'd support any Governments moves,all over the World, to clear this rotten scum off the face of the Earth for good, even if that means talking to and enlisting the help of other leaders of Nations we would prefer were not in power.

If the likes of these evil beings are what could take over from them then no thank you and it is time,(it was after the murder of the poor Soldier last year), to get moving and act swiftly and stop the daft meetings and endless talking shops and 'do' something.

Also for me, in this Country, we all in the UK should have the right to see clearly the faces and people we are going onto shops with, on buses and trains with and who we are walking in public with.

If those religious leaders who think that is an infringement of anyones human rights then they themselves should be doing a great deal more to help get rid of this scum that is murdering people,not linked in any way to any armed forces,in such a barbaric and public way.

What this poor man's family must be going through now, doesn't bear imagining.
They along with him are now owed much better and the only thing is to get these people out of action for good.
That is down to Govts, intelligence cooperation worldwide,no more yapping as to it, just get things done and quick too.

well said, Joey!

[rubymoo]

I am not aggressive at all really but you cannot talk to, reason or negotiate with these people, they are just the worst sort of barbarians and shouldn't be in existence.

I'd support any Governments moves,all over the World, to clear this rotten scum off the face of the Earth for good, even if that means talking to and enlisting the help of other leaders of Nations we would prefer were not in power.

If the likes of these evil beings are what could take over from them then no thank you and it is time,(it was after the murder of the poor Soldier last year), to get moving and act swiftly and stop the daft meetings and endless talking shops and 'do' something.

Also for me, in this Country, we all in the UK should have the right to see clearly the faces and people we are going onto shops with, on buses and trains with and who we are walking in public with.

If those religious leaders who think that is an infringement of anyones human rights then they themselves should be doing a great deal more to help get rid of this scum that is murdering people,not linked in any way to any armed forces,in such a barbaric and public way.

What this poor man's family must be going through now, doesn't bear imagining.
They along with him are now owed much better and the only thing is to get these people out of action for good.
That is down to Govts, intelligence cooperation worldwide,no more yapping as to it, just get things done and quick too.

Great post Joey, completely agree!

We do need to rid the world of this scum.

[arista]

The PM is talking Fantasy
saying he will get the Beheader John
- like he will go in peace with any SAS?
He will blow himself up and the troops trying to get him
to be honest

http://news.sky.com/story/1335672/pm-we-will-hunt-down-david-haines-killers


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/14/335746/default/v1/henning-1-522x293.jpg
New UK Hostage Held By IS Named As Alan Henning

http://news.sky.com/story/1335770/uk-hostage-held-by-is-named-as-alan-henning

[arista]

They need bombing out of existence.


But you would have to kill
innocents near them at the same time of the bombs,
that will not work.

Look at Iraq

[Sticks]

Maybe why we should not be involved with the Americans, after all it has been their policy of air strikes that caused these executions.

[joeysteele]

These creatures from IS, shouldn't be taking hostages in the first place,these hostages that have been murdered, it annoys me when they say on the news they have executed them, were taken ages ago,well over a year or more ago, they never had any intention of freeing them no matter what anyone did or didn't do.

This guy murdered today was just an aid worker for goodness sake, how do you have any chance of reasoning with the vile scum that murdered him other than ensuring by whatever means that they cannot murder or even take hostages again.

[Kizzy]

That's what ISIS and other terrorists don't understand, it means nothing to David Cameron if people are killed.
In fact if he's wanting to go to war then the media attention will get everybody behind it.

[Sticks]

We used to say that about the IRA, now they get invites to Buckingham Palace.

Maybe time to talk to IS and recognise them defacto as a legitimate state.

That's what we always end up doing.

[arista]

That's what ISIS and other terrorists don't understand, it means nothing to David Cameron if people are killed.
In fact if he's wanting to go to war then the media attention will get everybody behind it.


But he must take a Parliament Vote on this
again

[joeysteele]

But he must take a Parliament Vote on this
again

I don't care what he does as to Parliament,he needs to stop the talking and do something.
Blow a Parliament vote, that should be a given anyway, all he needs to be sure of is support from the Labour party,of course the Lib Dems may drag their heels but he won't need them.
I would like to see Ed Miliband untie the PM's hands as to this Parliament issue before action.
If he knew he had that support, surely he could and would act but get moving as to it.

For once on an issue, he would have my full support to really make things happen as to getting rid of these vile barbarians.
Instead of meeting after meeting,act rather than just talk about it.
Also at those meetings are the same things being gone through again that all the meetings held after the Lee Rigby murder had discussed.

Nothing has really been done since that in the near 18 months since it took place,it is time for this PM to stop procrastinating and show some real statesman courage and leadership,and get everyone he can on board to deal with these creatures.

It is something he should have done last year after Lee's horrific murder on an English street anyway, instead of sitting on his hands with the 'tomorrow is another day' attitude.

[arista]

I don't care what he does as to Parliament,he needs to stop the talking and do something.
Blow a Parliament vote, that should be a given anyway, all he needs to be sure of is support from the Labour party,of course the Lib Dems may drag their heels but he won't need them.
I would like to see Ed Miliband untie the PM's hands as to this Parliament issue before action.
If he knew he had that support, surely he could and would act but get moving as to it.

For once on an issue, he would have my full support to really make things happen as to getting rid of these vile barbarians.
Instead of meeting after meeting,act rather than just talk about it.
Also at those meetings are the same things being gone through again that all the meetings held after the Lee Rigby murder had discussed.

Nothing has really been done since that in the near 18 months since it took place,it is time for this PM to stop procrastinating and show some real statesman courage and leadership,and get everyone he can on board to deal with these creatures.

It is something he should have done last year after Lee's horrific murder on an English street anyway, instead of sitting on his hands with the 'tomorrow is another day' attitude.


Joey
so you want UK Air Bombs
Killing the public as well?
you have now gone Neo Conservative
I am in Shock

[joeysteele]

I want to see this organisation obliterated ,yes,whatever it may take. I believe some concensus can be found with the majority of Middle East leaders too and it is time, now that British aid workers are being murdered to get a move on as to achieving that aim.

I hate war and conflict but this is something that will actually help the Middle East countries too if this organisation was effectively dealt with.

Enough really is enough.

[Amy Jade]

This whole situation makes me so angry.

[arista]

I want to see this organisation obliterated ,yes,whatever it may take. I believe some concensus can be found with the majority of Middle East leaders too and it is time, now that British aid workers are being murdered to get a move on as to achieving that aim.

I hate war and conflict but this is something that will actually help the Middle East countries too if this organisation was effectively dealt with.

Enough really is enough.



No Joey
No way do I agree you Murder innocents
near the Terrorists
that just makes it worse
look at Iraq

You are Crazy

[Ninastar]

i've seen comments about how we should just 'nuke' them and I personally don't think that's right. So many innocent people would be killed

I think we need to send people in and take them out one by one, or w.e.

[arista]

i've seen comments about how we should just 'nuke' them and I personally don't think that's right. So many innocent people would be killed

I think we need to send people in and take them out one by one, or w.e.



No American Public
and the President have said no troops on the ground
Just Air Bombs

[Ninastar]

No American Public
and the President have said no troops on the ground
Just Air Bombs

dumb idea IMO

[joeysteele]

No Joey
No way do I agree you Murder innocents
near the Terrorists
that just makes it worse
look at Iraq

You are Crazy

I am actually surprised at my own stance at this too,however I was really furious at the murder of Lee Rigby last year and now I am again, both for the American journalists murdered and now this British aid worker with an almost certain one more to follow at least.

How many other innocents like these hostages have to be murdered before govts. of the World see that this organisation is a threat to anyone,anywhere who are not of their thinking.

Innocent unarmed people, just helping or doing their job are being murdered by these creatures now.
My patience for one, and in fact I think possibly across the Country too,has well and truly run out.

They don't show any compassion for the murdered victims families, they strip the victim of their dignity and publicly by making a video showing the murder of same too while hiding behind having their faces masked.
Evil, absolutely evil, as the old quote goes more or less, for evil to thrive the good just have to do nothing.

Which is what we have done since Lee's murder last year, nothing.

[Novo]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/03/report-credible-information-isis-aqap-planning-11-anniversary-attack-abroad/

He isn't happy with them

[arista]

I am actually surprised at my own stance at this too,however I was really furious at the murder of Lee Rigby last year and now I am again, both for the American journalists murdered and now this British aid worker with an almost certain one more to follow at least.

How many other innocents like these hostages have to be murdered before govts. of the World see that this organisation is a threat to anyone,anywhere who are not of their thinking.

Innocent unarmed people, just helping or doing their job are being murdered by these creatures now.
My patience for one, and in fact I think possibly across the Country too,has well and truly run out.

They don't show any compassion for the murdered victims families, they strip the victim of their dignity and publicly by making a video showing the murder of same too while hiding behind having their faces masked.
Evil, absolutely evil, as the old quote goes more or less, for evil to thrive the good just have to do nothing.

Which is what we have done since Lee's murder last year, nothing.


So like when America Carpet Bombed Iraq
you want that?

[joeysteele]

So like when America Carpet Bombed Iraq
you want that?

No, I am not advocating that at all and nowhere have I indicated so although I have said whatever it takes to clear the World of these beings then I would likely support it.

I have said we should be dealing with leaders we maybe would not like to but to whom this organisation is as big a threat to them as to our citizens.

Doing nothing but talking is not the answer, David Cameron should have been agreeing a stance with Ed Miliband after Lee's shocking horrific murder last year.

I will ask this point of you however, while adding that just sometimes desperate situations call for desperate and less than satisfactory solutions.
Do you really think if these creatures came here to any of our cities that they would concern themselves as to how many innocent people or Children would be killed because of their actions to 'make their point'.
I am sure the answer is no to that,it is for me for certain.

It is time for all who are genuinely appalled at this organisation to in any small way or major way take action to help get rid of them.
We have had 3 murders at the hands of these idiots and likely another to follow,all happening while we talk.
The only people who can stop doing this are the ones doing it and they are also the only people we cannot talk to and reason with.

I am really mad that innocent lives are being taken like this,how many more before someone takes the lead and does something with and from whatever leaders and whatever support they can get from them too.

[arista]

No, I am not advocating that at all and nowhere have I indicated so although I have said whatever it takes to clear the World of these beings then I would likely support it.

I have said we should be dealing with leaders we maybe would not like to but to whom this organisation is as big a threat to them as to our citizens.

Doing nothing but talking is not the answer, David Cameron should have been agreeing a stance with Ed Miliband after Lee's shocking horrific murder last year.

I will ask this point of you however, while adding that just sometimes desperate situations call for desperate and less than satisfactory solutions.
Do you really think if these creatures came here to any of our cities that they would concern themselves as to how many innocent people or Children would be killed because of their actions to 'make their point'.
I am sure the answer is no to that,it is for me for certain.

It is time for all who are genuinely appalled at this organisation to in any small way or major way take action to help get rid of them.
We have had 3 murders at the hands of these idiots and likely another to follow,all happening while we talk.
The only people who can stop doing this are the ones doing it and they are also the only people we cannot talk to and reason with.

I am really mad that innocent lives are being taken like this,how many more before someone takes the lead and does something with and from whatever leaders and whatever support they can get from them too.



Yes I know
but the only way to ensure you kill all
the terrorists
is by carpet bombing
which then kills innocents with them.

[joeysteele]

Yes I know
but the only way to ensure you kill all
the terrorists
is by carpet bombing
which then kills innocents with them.

I don't think that needs to be the case if you are working with the Nations where they are and with their support and intelligence services too.

Having said that, what is the answer then, let them continue.
Sadly very bad things have to happen to move forward sometimes.

What you say is right,no doubt as to that.
For me, this organisation has to be got rid of and I could be likely persuaded now as to any measures to do so.

[arista]

I don't think that needs to be the case if you are working with the Nations where they are and with their support and intelligence services too.

Having said that, what is the answer then, let them continue.
Sadly very bad things have to happen to move forward sometimes.

What you say is right,no doubt as to that.
For me, this organisation has to be got rid of and I could be likely persuaded now as to any measures to do so.


No the nations are not working with America.

Sure down under is

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/14/335773/default/v1/star-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/15/335780/default/v1/sun-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/14/335767/default/v1/guardian-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/14/335768/default/v1/metro-1-329x437.jpg

[arista]

The CIA has confirmed
its over 30, 000
members of IS
spread across the two nations

[lostalex]

So like when America Carpet Bombed Iraq
you want that?

The US never carpet bombed Iraq. We always used highly sophisticated targeted bombs and missiles.

[Ninastar]

In an awful way, (not saying this is a good thing) I'm kind of glad that this is waking up the world to what these people are like. I feel like people underestimated what these terrorists are capable of. Just because there's been no 'attacks' for a couple of years in the UK/USA/R.O.W, doesn't mean that they aren't still at large.

People have been predicting for a long time that they would get strong again if we pulled the troops out too early. Looks like they were right, sadly :/

[joeysteele]

In an awful way, (not saying this is a good thing) I'm kind of glad that this is waking up the world to what these people are like. I feel like people underestimated what these terrorists are capable of. Just because there's been no 'attacks' for a couple of years in the UK/USA/R.O.W, doesn't mean that they aren't still at large.

People have been predicting for a long time that they would get strong again if we pulled the troops out too early. Looks like they were right, sadly :/

Good points Ninastar. I too am glad not only other Nations are waking up to this but also the Middle East countries too it seems.
These creatures are in effect the enemy of everyone in my view.

[Ninastar]

Good points Ninastar. I too am glad not only other Nations are waking up to this but also the Middle East countries too it seems.
These creatures are in effect the enemy of everyone in my view.

agreed. I wish we could have a huge world meeting and discuss what could be done about these people...

[arista]

Another British Hostage
sadly now on new video talking.


A new video has been released showing another Briton believed to be held hostage by Islamic State militants.

In the footage, John Cantlie - understood to be a journalist - is sitting behind a desk as he speaks to the camera.

http://news.sky.com/story/1338066/new-is-video-shows-another-british-hostage

[The video marks a significant change of tactics for Isil, which has previously
released footage of hostages being executed in a desert.
In the new video, the hostage appears sitting at a table in a darkened room wearing
orange Guantanamo Bay-style robes and speaks directly to the camera.
The video is shot from several different angles and incorporates Arabic subtitles. ]

[joeysteele]

I better keep quiet, the level of how annoyed I am at these displays from these vile creatures just gets worse as to this taking of and parading of the hostages they have.

I really don't care now how at all it is done but wiping these things off the face of the earth should be the World's priority.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/18/336706/default/v0/evs-xtaccess-18-sep-2014-111-a-01h00m15s18-1-522x293.jpg
This is John Cantlie of the Telegraph paper


http://news.sky.com/story/1338066/new-is-video-shows-another-british-hostage
Video on the above link


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/18/article-2760978-217751B100000578-364_964x377.jpg

[reece(:]

Apparently ISIS are now plotting to assassinate Pope Francis :worry:

Pope Francis is at risk of an assassination attempt by ISIS extremists, the Vatican has been warned before his first visit to a Muslim-majority country this weekend.

Iraq’s ambassador to the Holy See said yesterday that there were credible threats to the Pope’s life as he prepares to visit Albania on Sunday.

The 77-year-old pontiff could also be vulnerable when he travels to Turkey in November, Habeeb al-Sadr said.

Jihadists from Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham have in recent weeks boasted of wanting to extend their so-called caliphate to Rome, and have talked of planting the jihadi black flag on top of St Peter’s Basilica.

They could try to kill him during one of his overseas trips or even in Rome
Mr. Sadr said there were also indications of a more specific threat against the Pope, who he said had made himself a target by speaking out against abuses committed against Christians in Syria and Iraq, as well as expressing his support for the US in its efforts to halt the advance of ISIS.

“What has been declared by the self-declared Islamic State is clear: they want to kill the Pope. The threats against the Pope are credible,” the ambassador told Italy’s La Nazione newspaper yesterday.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/17/isis-has-plan-to-assassinate-pope-and-plant-jihadi-flag-on-top-of-st-peters-basilica-in-vatican-city/

[Brother Leon]

In an awful way, (not saying this is a good thing) I'm kind of glad that this is waking up the world to what these people are like. I feel like people underestimated what these terrorists are capable of. Just because there's been no 'attacks' for a couple of years in the UK/USA/R.O.W, doesn't mean that they aren't still at large.

People have been predicting for a long time that they would get strong again if we pulled the troops out too early. Looks like they were right, sadly :/

Said this earlier myself and I agree. It's a shame it took them kidnapping and killing people from our own countries for the government to truly wake up to these animals. They should have been on the radar when they were doing this to innocent Arabs in their own countries , but it was kind of brushed aside as they were fighting "the good fight" on the whole and rebelling against their leaders.

[Angelika]

high of a percentage there are of 'extremists' in this religion. A pretty scary thought

A few hundred years ago in the Dark & Middle Ages the Catholics were rampaging around Europe killing heretics and witches and people not on side. Many of our stately homes still have "priest holes" and that's from Henry VIII
Its not that long ago since the terrible problems with Protestants and Catholics in Ireland. Please God, that has to be over now - that raged on for centuries too.
Our history is littered with religious war & uprisings.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/18/336761/default/v1/sun-front-page-1-329x437.jpg

[MTVN]

Obama is crazy for wanting to arm and train 'moderate' Syrian rebels thinking they can fight both Isis and Assad. At the start of the uprising there may have been moderate groups establishing a decent foothold but now they're barely on the map, they were swallowed up by the Islamist groups long ago. Those that remain don't have the means to effect anything really and arming them just runs the risk of those arms falling into the hands of Isis. Training them in Saudi Arabia is dangerous as well considering that the Saudi state is founded on beliefs a lot closer to Isis than those of the US. There was some truth in the letter that the Syrian government sent to the US earlier this week:

Syria, of course, insists no “moderate” opposition now exists in the country, a statement which carries the mark of truth, and that all opponents of Mr Assad’s rule were from the start Wahhabi-inspired Sunni jihadists – which was not in fact the case. Mr Laham’s letter accuses Saudi Arabia, which funds Mr Assad’s enemies, of sponsoring schools which are “teaching the ideology of hate, ‘takfiri’ [a Muslim accusing a fellow Muslim of apostasy] and jihad as holy duty”.

Re-emphasising its own loathing of the Saudi regime, the Syrian letter says all “terrorists” are the product of “this Salafi, Wahhabi, jihadi ideology – from 9/11, to [the] Boston bombing, to the beheading of the two American journalists – beheading, which is a governmental legal practice in Saudi Arabia”. Mr Obama should not form any coalition outside UN Resolution 2170, “especially with states that have a conflict of interest due to their practised ideology.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/assads-letter-to-the-us-how-syria-is-luring-president-obama-into-its-web-9737292.html