Could James turn this around

[sampvt]

Please don't get me wrong, personally I think the guy is a grade 'A' dick, but lately he seems to be growing on me. He has resigned himself to the fact that he is unpopular and has seemingly decided to go headlong into ripping the scammers of the show apart.

If you look at his new game plan, instead of being a dick towards everyone, he is befriending the cheered HM's like gary and George, and is ripping into the boo'ed ones like Kelly. His masterplan seems to be effecting the way he is edited, so I can see him staying a bit longer because when he makes these conflict moments due to his nature, it provides BB with great tv.

He also seems very neutral to the HM's that have not yet been tested by the cheers or boo's until he knows which way the wind blows. There is more to this guy than meets the eye.

He is doing a Helen but I doubt he will win. He might actually make the finals and Ive had a few quid on just that case scenario at very good odds I may add.

[SocietyIsRuined]

He's a good housemate but unfortunately a complete dick. He deserves to be in the final on how much of a dick he is. If ever an utter dick deserved to be in the final, James is that dick.

[lily.]

He's not stupid, so if he plays the game properly, he could definitely turn it around.

I still don't like him.

[sampvt]

He's a good housemate but unfortunately a complete dick. He deserves to be in the final on how much of a dick he is. If ever an utter dick deserved to be in the final, James is that dick.

is is my exact point. He is making the show watchable for all the wrong reason but its fun to see him dissect the likes of kellie on national TV.

[Ellen]

Wether you like him or not he has been a big part of cbb, mainly negative but still a big part so for that he does deserve to be in the final, not a winner though imo.
Am sure some will be swayed by the new game plan but dont think it will be long before that slips if someone ruffles his over inflated ego.

[Northern Monkey]

You know,I actually think i agree.He is playing it smart.I don't like the guy but he knows what he's doing.

[Pincho Paxton]

If Helen won, anyone can win. It seems that the winner of Big Brother has become pointless.

[waterhog]

i have to agree with that. but did she win ?

[delta]

He's getting so much inside help from CBB he would have been dead and buried now if they hadn't pulled him to one side, what you are seeing now is the fake side and as someone else said- " What change?"

Still odious under the thin veneer of smarminess

[jaxie]

All he is doing is sucking up a bit more to people who were cheered and picking more on people he perceives the public dislike due to boos. He is a vile individual and I hope once bb is over we never see him on British TV again. I don't like Kelly but in no way did she or frenchy deserve what James did during the puppet task.

[rusticgal]

If Helen won, anyone can win. It seems that the winner of Big Brother has become pointless.


Exactly...in fact if James or Dee won after Helens win, it would not bode well for BB.

I might add that he has given us entertainment albeit to the detriment of others...he will without doubt be in the final but I hope to god we don't crown another vile bully.

[Patricia4]

I hope not.

[susie q]

He makes quite a good "panto style villain" the sort you love to boo at, dont mind if he stays till the end, but dont think he deserves to win.

[RockBottom]

I think he thinks he is some sort of God. I loved how Kellie spoke to him in the garden and when he was in the diary room he wanted to grind her into burger meat. He is great entertainment and he will definitely make the final. However under that veneer is a very ugly human being with no redeeming qualities.

[gibsonsg]

Yes I think he can turn it around. I like his relationship with Gary, they do seem to be friends. Let's face it James was the only one with enough backbone to tell Gary to shower and do his teeth. James biggest problem is that he comes over as abrasive and competitive.

[thesheriff443]

james is entertainment, and not as nasty as Helen was and that old boot won.

[Josy]

He's not stupid, so if he plays the game properly, he could definitely turn it around.

I still don't like him.

This.

He will always be a passive aggressive prick though.

[LukeB]

i like james still to be fair

[Denver]

I can only see two possibly winners audley and gary

[poppsywoppsy]

James is a good housemate to watch but again, like Helen hasn't been playing on a level playing field with nominations. If he was up, he would go and quite honestly he needed to go for his own sake. He needs to know how ridiculous he has been, he needs to know how dislikeable he is and he needs to know how unpopular he is.

Whatever happened to the nice amusing winners of CBB.

[LukeB]

I can only see two possibly winners audley and gary

gary is one, but deffo not audley

[sampvt]

I can only see two possibly winners audley and gary

I backed Audley way back when he was 25/1 and 4/1 to reach the finals. I might be dancing soon, you never know. Dee and George are pissing on their own doorsteps and Kellie is a gonner.

[tanussa]

I like james, always have, dont think he'll win, but wud like him to be in final. think it wud be lovely if gary won and james was there til the end with him

[wormsinfested]

Helen was evil, but she could be "fake nice". James is just a ****ing piece of ****!

James: "Kelly said I talk behind peoples back, I dont talk behind peoples back" He is saying this WHILE he is talking behind Kelly`s back:joker:

[ThriceShy]

I reckon he was getting a very small number of phone votes in the first eviction. Hence why BB made him randomly immune.

[jasperinporto]

James is a good housemate to watch but again, like Helen hasn't been playing on a level playing field with nominations. If he was up, he would go and quite honestly he needed to go for his own sake. He needs to know how ridiculous he has been, he needs to know how dislikeable he is and he needs to know how unpopular he is.

Whatever happened to the nice amusing winners of CBB.


And when he realises all of the above when leaving the house. He may become a better person. Who knows.

[Mrjrb2014]

If Helen won, anyone can win. It seems that the winner of Big Brother has become pointless.

She was handed the win from the start....

[Shaun]

doesn't even need to turn it around, CBB13 and BB15 proved a callous little bitch can win and therefore James has every chance.

[kirklancaster]

Wether you like him or not he has been a big part of cbb, mainly negative but still a big part so for that he does deserve to be in the final, not a winner though imo.
Am sure some will be swayed by the new game plan but dont think it will be long before that slips if someone ruffles his over inflated ego.

Well said. I agree that he is now reining in his previously appalling bullying behaviour and has started to 'bond' with Gary. However, this has only happened as a result of him realising how popular Gary is with the viewers, and also after it has probably dawned on him that his bullying of Gary was just why he received so many boos and jeers.

[CaudleHalbard]

James could win this..... a bit like Helen won BB15.

[delta]

Well said. I agree that he is now reining in his previously appalling bullying behaviour and has started to 'bond' with Gary. However, this has only happened as a result of him realising how popular Gary is with the viewers, and also after it has probably dawned on him that his bullying of Gary was just why he received so many boos and jeers.


It's all fake and the CBB bull sh!t machine is in over drive.

Whatever your thoughts on Kelly, she can see right through the opaque personality of Bully Elliot.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I agree hes a total dick but theres a lot of housemates in there who are also dicks and he is the only one who gets them spot on and tells them to their face when they are acting like brats.

Hes defo growing on me since week 1.

[jscoo47]

I really have found James to be entertaining. It would have been a lot duller without him.

[Sophiee]

yes I think so definitely. we've seen a real softer side to him lately and I've also seen a lot more support for him too! I mean no-one would have predicted helen to win so why not :laugh:.

[jet]

Well said. I agree that he is now reining in his previously appalling bullying behaviour and has started to 'bond' with Gary. However, this has only happened as a result of him realising how popular Gary is with the viewers, and also after it has probably dawned on him that his bullying of Gary was just why he received so many boos and jeers.

I believe James has always liked Gary, and even though he annoyed the hell out of him, he was the only one who spent time with him and tried to help him, whereas the others (except Frenchy) stayed well out of his way. There was always a bond there, even if it was a dysfunctional one. Now, I think James has gotten used to Gary's ways and Gary has changed some of his bad habits too and settled down, so the bond has naturally gotten stronger. I love their relationship.

[MojoNixon]

Please don't get me wrong, personally I think the guy is a grade 'A' dick, but lately he seems to be growing on me.

Hope that he won't ...never mind.

[Heaven = Winner]

No. If Frenchy doesn't make it to the final, then James shouldn't either.

[Ammi]

I believe James has always liked Gary, and even though he annoyed the hell out of him, he was the only one who spent time with him and tried to help him, whereas the others (except Frenchy) stayed well out of his way. There was always a bond there, even if it was a dysfunctional one. Now, I think James has gotten used to Gary's ways and Gary has changed some of his bad habits too and settled down, so the bond has naturally gotten stronger. I love their relationship.


..what was nice tonight was seeing them both joking around together and Gary really being included and for the first time for me, it seemed quite genuine that maybe James likes him..

[Patricia4]

You don't know with James one second he seems to like Gary then he then turns on him Im unsure about him.

[MojoNixon]

..what was nice tonight was seeing them both joking around together and Gary really being included and for the first time for me, it seemed quite genuine that maybe James likes him..

Not genuine. James knows that audience loves Gary.

[Pink Pegasus]

James is a great housemate. I've enjoyed watching him from the start. The only time I felt he went too out of line was when he snapped at Gary over the suitcases and said it was like talking to a baby. That was too far but they seemed to moved on from it.

The rest of the time I think the most he's being guilty of is being patronising and making some dickhead comments from time to time. He can definitely be an absolute asshole, but I find his arrogance and pomp manner sort of amusing to watch. I don't find him a genuinely nasty person really. His arrogance seems to make him think he's "helping" even though to us it comes across condescending. Vanessa Feltz mentioned on BOTS that as he teaches he's just very used to giving instructions to people.

He has always said he finds Gary fascinating and despite how much a lot of people outside really dislike the way James speaks to Gary, Gary himself seems to have always liked James and gotten along with him. They are shown together often and I think from what we've seen James seems to spend more time with Gary than many of the other housemates. When the highlights are not focused on one of their serious lecturing/'educating' conversations, the rest of the time they seem to have a nicer more lighthearted fun friendship or bond.

Want them both in the final. (Along with Audley and Edele) :)

Edited to add: I also love the way he called out Kellie for being so miserable all the time!

[CaudleHalbard]

The funny thing is, I think James is the person Gary likes most in the house. I think we'll find Gary has nothing but praise for James when he comes out of the house.

Therefore Gary fans should be supportive of James. :p

[Pink Pegasus]

The funny thing is, I think James is the person Gary likes most in the house. I think we'll find Gary has nothing but praise for James when he comes out of the house.

Therefore Gary fans should be supportive of James. :p

I think this as well. Can picture Emma asking him who he was closest to in the house and I'd be fairly confident he'd say James.

[Trasadkel1]

I would love to see a James/Gary final two. I think they both have so much respect for each other and love seeing them together. It was great to see Gary being genuinely involved in having some light hearted fun in tonight's show.

[Robodog]

No way could he win.

Helen blew up now and then at people when she had a drink but then it was all over.

She didn't do what James does - 'lecture' people and act like their great helpful saviour on and on and on at them - then walk away and bitch about them or laugh at them and degrade them - whilst sober !

The only HM in the last series who did that was Pauline.

Helen was moody when drunk but she was always able to laugh at herself, reflect, be embarrassed about herself or put herself down.

James and Pauline are both totally full of themselves - and are never in wrong in their eyes. People like that never win BB.

[Pink Pegasus]

I don't want James to win, but I want him in the final.

[jet]

..what was nice tonight was seeing them both joking around together and Gary really being included and for the first time for me, it seemed quite genuine that maybe James likes him..

That was my fave moment of tonights show. James saying to Gary to help him tickle Ricci, and Gary joining in enthusiastically and saying 'we're the tickle team', then he goes 'who's next'!! :laugh:
They chase after Ricci and Gary runs like a four year old and nearly breaks the toilet door down to get to him. :hehe: Great to see him having fun. Loved it.

[Vanessa]

He's the only one who realised the crowd is on Gary's side. Git to give him credit for that.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

no.

[Withano]

I can't imagine people liking him ever, no. He's like some cross breed between Dappy and Andrew Stone who are both among the worst human in the house ever.

[Dollface]

I hate to admit it...but he's growing on me too :bawling:

[delta]

No way could he win.

Helen blew up now and then at people when she had a drink but then it was all over.

She didn't do what James does - 'lecture' people and act like their great helpful saviour on and on and on at them - then walk away and bitch about them or laugh at them and degrade them - whilst sober !

The only HM in the last series who did that was Pauline.

Helen was moody when drunk but she was always able to laugh at herself, reflect, be embarrassed about herself or put herself down.

James and Pauline are both totally full of themselves - and are never in wrong in their eyes. People like that never win BB.

In a nutshell.

For those that cannot differentiate between the two personalities, you need help.

All we are seeing now from Bully Elliot is a contrived personality, CBB have told him to try and show a lighter side, which even then he struggles with.

It's been totally biased editing for the last 3 days now, camera pans on Bully all of the time. Where's the likes of Audley, Edelle and even Frenchy been, in a parallel house?

I don't agree he's been a great house mate, his actions towards certain housemates are unforgettable and a leopard doesn't change its' spots. Look at what Kellie said in the diary room re: His reference to Bully's thoughts on Ola and his total disrespect for her. Which encapsulates Bully very well, hehas little respect for anyone other than hisover inflated opinion of himself and his fcuked up morals.

It would have been a far more interesting and balanced show if Leslie had remained in and Bully had been shown the door. What we are seeing now is a charade and I would hazard a guess he's still being as obnoxious and beligerant but CBB are no longer showing it.

How anyone can go from seeing how he behaved all the way through show to seeing a few contrived edited shows attempting to show him in a positive light really need to give themselves a good shaking.

He's one bad egg, as I keep repeating. He got kicked off strictly, he'always had an over inflated opinion of himself and a demeaning view of most others around him and to see him now tag onto Gary, who he despises, is embarrassing. Don't forget he threatened , in a subliminal way, to hit a 70 year old man and also not forgetting the words " I am not a baby sitter...

Christ, just thinming about all his antics makes my skin crawl. As the Daily Star headline of a few days ago stated ' Probably the most hated housemate ever to pass through the BB doors.

[Sophiee]

Christ, just thinming about all his antics makes my skin crawl. As the Daily Star headline of a few days ago stated ' Probably the most hated housemate ever to pass through the BB doors.
the daily star are always wrong anyway :pipe:.

[nina73]

We'll how many of us ever thought Helen would win but with all the right editing and no chance of voting her out she got to the end and won so why not James

[mr rochester]

It seems that the winner of Big Brother has become pointless.


…and necessarily a bully...

[elliebrew]

We had sooooooo many complaints on here when Helen won. But look. The exact same thing is happening again.

[jet]

We had sooooooo many complaints on here when Helen won. But look. The exact same thing is happening again.

It's not the same thing at all. Have you forgotten all that the sneering Helen said and did?
James has been patronizing and irritable with Gary, but he's not a bully. And he is the only one who sits and talks to him, helps him out when he can't hear what is being said and has fun with him. Doesn't sound like a bully to me.

[elliebrew]

It's not the same thing at all. Have you forgotten all that the sneering Helen said and did?
James has been patronizing and irritable with Gary, but he's not a bully. And he is the only one who sits and talks to him, helps him out when he can't hear what is being said and has fun with him. Doesn't sound like a bully to me.

ITS EXACTLY the same thing. A bad person gets a couple of good edits and suddenly the campaign for the villain win begins!

Helen was nowhere near as bad as James

[jet]

ITS EXACTLY the same thing. A bad person gets a couple of good edits and suddenly the campaign for the villain win begins!

Helen was nowhere near as bad as James

:umm2:

[bots]

Helen was nowhere near as bad as James

This. No way was Helen as bad as James. The house in general was attempting to bully Gary, with James the ringleader. However, it takes two for bullying to occur and Gary wouldn't allow them to bully him.

James now understands that Gary is popular and cannot be bullied, so he's stopped it. That doesn't make him a better person, he has just moved on to bad mouthing Kellie.

I see no redeeming qualities in James at all, Helen had loads.

[jet]

This. No way was Helen as bad as James. The house in general was attempting to bully Gary, with James the ringleader. However, it takes two for bullying to occur and Gary wouldn't allow them to bully him.

James now understands that Gary is popular and cannot be bullied, so he's stopped it. That doesn't make him a better person, he has just moved on to bad mouthing Kellie.

I see no redeeming qualities in James at all, Helen had loads.

I see loads of redeeming qualities in James and none at all in Helen. :hehe:
Different strokes for different folks. :shrug:

Anyway, this thread isn't about Helen, so lets stay on topic.

I don't think James will win, Gary will - as he should!

[Kizzy]

He's still a twunt but I think gary's won him over... he seems to like chatting with him now.

[kirklancaster]

It's all fake and the CBB bull sh!t machine is in over drive.

Whatever your thoughts on Kelly, she can see right through the opaque personality of Bully Elliot.

Bully Elliot!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laug h::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[kirklancaster]

He's still a twunt but I think gary's won him over... he seems to like chatting with him now.

That's what's so bewildering. If I could be paid to be in the same house as a Hollywood legend like Gary, I would spend every waking minute actually LISTENING to the guy. The anecdotes and stories he could relate would be enthralling, but these non-entities are too egotistical to appreciate as much, and have spent each waking hour collectively bullying Gary and trying to suppress his natural endearing personality and sense of humour, and it's all a little too late I'm afraid.

[jet]

That's what's so bewildering. If I could be paid to be in the same house as a Hollywood legend like Gary, I would spend every waking minute actually LISTENING to the guy.The anecdotes and stories he could relate would be enthralling.

I'm not so sure. Gary doesn't seem to make a lot of sense sometimes. I think he's an endearing character in the house but I don't know that I'd want to spend every second listening to his puzzling sayings interspersed with barking. :laugh:

[Pincho Paxton]

I'm not so sure. Gary doesn't seem to make a lot of sense sometimes. I think he's an endearing character in the house but I don't know that I'd want to spend every second listening to his puzzling sayings interspersed with barking. :laugh:

He's barking mad! But glimpses of sense make up for it.

[delta]

I'm not so sure. Gary doesn't seem to make a lot of sense sometimes. I think he's an endearing character in the house but I don't know that I'd want to spend every second listening to his puzzling sayings interspersed with barking. :laugh:


That's the problem they are all so filled with their self importance that they haven't bothered to get him to one side and really talk to him, it's all about ME,ME,ME.

Instead they have tried to intimidate him, belittle him, bully and harangue him, embarrass him and he's took it all with good humility.


Yes, he is going to be frustrating, a} because of his age and b} because of his impairment. But you have to accommodate people of his 'tender' years. They are all quick to say " he's not a team player" yet your team is only good as your weakest link and if you don't help that person along but instead ostracise him, then who is it that isn't a " team player".

Walk a mile in his shoes, before you criticise and abuse.

[kirklancaster]

:cheer2:That's the problem they are all so filled with their self importance that they haven't bothered to get him to one side and really talk to him, it's all about ME,ME,ME.

Instead they have tried to intimidate him, belittle him, bully and harangue him, embarrass him and he's took it all with good humility.


Yes, he is going to be frustrating, a} because of his age and b} because of his impairment. But you have to accommodate people of his 'tender' years. They are all quick to say " he's not a team player" yet your team is only good as your weakest link and if you don't help that person along but instead ostracise him, then who is it that isn't a " team player".

Walk a mile in his shoes, before you criticise and abuse.

bRILLIANTLY PUT. i TOTALLY AGREE.:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[tanussa]

I believe James has always liked Gary, and even though he annoyed the hell out of him, he was the only one who spent time with him and tried to help him, whereas the others (except Frenchy) stayed well out of his way. There was always a bond there, even if it was a dysfunctional one. Now, I think James has gotten used to Gary's ways and Gary has changed some of his bad habits too and settled down, so the bond has naturally gotten stronger. I love their relationship.

couldnt hav put it better, there always has to be a villain and unfortunately cos james is outspoken, hes been landed with the title. defo stands out from the remaining HMs as most ineresting to watch

[Angelika]

:joker:My Spirit Guide has been chatting to Gary's Spirit Guide who has been chatting to a pretty dancing lady's spirit Guide who is trying to get hold of her husband's Spirit Guide - apparently the husband's Spirit Guide is being kept very busy by said husband. The message coming through large and clear is please get James back home soonest.

Problem is James's Spirit Guide can't get through to him for all the non-stop chat he does about other housemates and he's so involved he's not hearing his Spirit Guide anymore. Please help!

:joker:

[CaudleHalbard]

Well James did pretty well this evening.

2nd or 3rd place methinks..