Woman Beheaded in garden North London

[arista]

Shocking news


http://news.sky.com/

http://news.sky.com/story/1330204/reports-woman-found-beheaded-in-back-garden


Early info says not terrorism



Link for Kizzy
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/04/woman-found-beheaded-edmonton-north-london-garden

[Ninastar]

Page not found

[Loukas]

when you click the link it's pasted twice in the address bar.
Awful story :( R.I.P

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/

[arista]

A 25 year old arrested.

[Samm]

Sad :(

[arista]

Maybe he is Mental
and was inspired by Isis to cut her head off etc
not connected , though

[Brother Leon]

That house is like 10mins away. ****ed up ****.

[arista]

A man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a woman was found beheaded in a back garden in north London, according to reports.

The victim was found at an address in Nightingale Road, Edmonton just after 1pm after police received reports of a stabbing.

Witnesses reported seeing a man running around the area as police arrived on the street.

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[arista]

That house is like 10mins away. ****ed up ****.



You should be OK

as the 25 year arrested
attacked a copper as they got him

Broke his wrist

[Crimson Dynamo]

horrible part of the UK

[arista]

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Police to speak at 5:30PM


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2743651/Woman-beheaded-machete-London-garden.html

[Novo]

horrible part of the UK

This, London is an abomination these days.. i feel so lucky to live in the North West rather then anywhere near there tbf

[JoshBB]

This is awful, hope his family is ok.

[arista]

The Police Boss would not confirm
it was a Machete
when a reporter asked him

[arista]

ITV1 London confirmed it was a Machete

thats why Police rushed people out of the Near homes
so they could trap him
and with their batons beat the crazy 25 year old down
without getting cut to bits.

[Marc]

What the ****

[Ninastar]

This is awful, hope his family is ok.

His??

[Brother Leon]

horrible part of the UK

**** off mate x

[Crimson Dynamo]

**** off mate x

its true, its a hovel

[Vanessa]

D: Good thing i never go in my garden!

[AnnieK]

Everywhere has bad areas wherever you are.

awful story

[arista]

**** off mate x


Yes its OK housing area
better than Glasgow

[arista]

D: Good thing i never go in my garden!


We have yet to find out if she was random



The arrested 25 year old bloke
is under Police Guard in Hospital.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes its OK housing area
better than Glasgow

:laugh2:

[arista]

Ch4NewsHD
confirmed the 25 year old was Chubby , Dressed in Black
and saying "my lighters .... the Cats.... the Cats"
he may been on Meds or Drugs

[Jords]

Pretty scary :o

[Jordan.]

D: Good thing i never go in my garden!

:mooriah:

[Vanessa]

It's really scary. :eek:

[user104658]

This is clearly horrific but seriously, was there really any need to point out that it's "probably not terrorism"? :facepalm: why would it be terrorism?? Are we, as a nation, now such collectively ****ing thick little sheep that it's expected that people will scream "OH NOES A TERRORISM!!" simply because they've encountered a terrorism-related buzzword?

Actually, no need to answer that. A company-wide memo was sent around at my work stating that any "unidentified packages" noticed anywhere (country wide...) must not be touched, because the threat level has been raised so they might be bombs planted by terrorists. For ****ing ****'s sake. There's got to be a likelihood of something like 0.00000000001%.

MAYBE IT'S A BOMB OOOORRRR probably it's Hovis and a pint of milk.

[Ninastar]

^ i think it more has to do with the fact that we are on red alert for terrorism

and then we've already had to deal with two beheadings over the past 2 weeks... people might just link the two.

[MTVN]

This is clearly horrific but seriously, was there really any need to point out that it's "probably not terrorism"? :facepalm: why would it be terrorism?? Are we, as a nation, now such collectively ****ing thick little sheep that it's expected that people will scream "OH NOES A TERRORISM!!" simply because they've encountered a terrorism-related buzzword?

Actually, no need to answer that. A company-wide memo was sent around at my work stating that any "unidentified packages" noticed anywhere (country wide...) must not be touched, because the threat level has been raised so they might be bombs planted by terrorists. For ****ing ****'s sake. There's got to be a likelihood of something like 0.00000000001%.

MAYBE IT'S A BOMB OOOORRRR probably it's Hovis and a pint of milk.

I saw (through one of my FB friends who commented on it) that 'Britain First' posted this story on their facebook. All the top comments were people saying stuff like "got Muslim all over it" and "smells like the religion of peace" with all of these comments getting hundreds of likes. After the Lee Rigby murder and with what's happening with IS people are now beginning to equate decapitation with Islamic extremism

[Ninastar]

^ Britain First is a horrifically embarrassing group on FB that is just full of small minded racist idiots.

[lily.]

^ i think it more has to do with the fact that we are on red alert for terrorism

and then we've already had to deal with two beheadings over the past 2 weeks... people might just link the two.

That's how I read it too.

[Ninastar]

That's how I read it too.

i thought it was at first. I've been waiting for something like this to happen for a while.

Wouldn't surprise me if it happens again soon.

[reece(:]

He decapitated a cat too D:

[Kizzy]

This is clearly horrific but seriously, was there really any need to point out that it's "probably not terrorism"? :facepalm: why would it be terrorism?? Are we, as a nation, now such collectively ****ing thick little sheep that it's expected that people will scream "OH NOES A TERRORISM!!" simply because they've encountered a terrorism-related buzzword?

Actually, no need to answer that. A company-wide memo was sent around at my work stating that any "unidentified packages" noticed anywhere (country wide...) must not be touched, because the threat level has been raised so they might be bombs planted by terrorists. For ****ing ****'s sake. There's got to be a likelihood of something like 0.00000000001%.

MAYBE IT'S A BOMB OOOORRRR probably it's Hovis and a pint of milk.

The buzzword being 'decapitation' ?

How many times in recent years have you heard this term and what was it in reference to? Far from being thick or sheep it is a logical conclusion given the growing tension over the last week.
Those memos have circulated around workplaces for years, it it important to remain vigilant especially if your workplace is a possible target.
Whatever the likelihood it costs nothing to keep your eyes and your ears open.

[the truth]

tragic story ...i cant bear to read the gory details..........
ps never liked london, worst part of the uk

[user104658]

The buzzword being 'decapitation' ?

How many times in recent years have you heard this term and what was it in reference to? Far from being thick or sheep it is a logical conclusion given the growing tension over the last week.
Those memos have circulated around workplaces for years, it it important to remain vigilant especially if your workplace is a possible target.
Whatever the likelihood it costs nothing to keep your eyes and your ears open.

OK so because soldiers and war journalists have been decapitated in the middle east by terrorists, it logically follows that an old woman murdered in her garden would also be terrorists? No, it doesn't. The aim of terrorism is to spread illogical and irrational fear... Terror... And hey look, it's working.

My work place is realistically NOT a possible terrorist target. That's my point. The memo is completely and utterly paranoid and stupid. It's stopping people from just getting on with their lives WITHOUT FEAR and giving terrorists absolutely everything that they want.

The next time I see an abandoned Morrison's bag in my workplace, I'm going to film myself opening it. Carelessly. With my face. I am that sure that it won't "be a bomb". Or perhaps the cunning hiding place of a machete wielding Muslim.

As for how many times I've read about decapitation and dismemberments in recent years? Too many. Off the top of my head (excuse the pun) : a head found on a beach, head in a freezer, body cut to pieces in a suitcase, and a poor mentally disabled woman decapitated by two junkies in a flat "for a laugh". It's not common of course but it happens, and it's usually not suspected to be Islamic terrorism, because it OBVIOUSLY ISN'T.

But yeah... Manic paranoia successfully spread. Terrorists 1, stupid British public 0.

[Kazanne]

Just heard this woman was 82,bless her,how awful.

[rubymoo]

The Sun says he was an Islam convert, he's beheaded 2 cats and this poor lady....so so sad:(

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

OK so because soldiers and war journalists have been decapitated in the middle east by terrorists, it logically follows that an old woman murdered in her garden would also be terrorists? No, it doesn't. The aim of terrorism is to spread illogical and irrational fear... Terror... And hey look, it's working.

My work place is realistically NOT a possible terrorist target. That's my point. The memo is completely and utterly paranoid and stupid. It's stopping people from just getting on with their lives WITHOUT FEAR and giving terrorists absolutely everything that they want.

The next time I see an abandoned Morrison's bag in my workplace, I'm going to film myself opening it. Carelessly. With my face. I am that sure that it won't "be a bomb". Or perhaps the cunning hiding place of a machete wielding Muslim.

As for how many times I've read about decapitation and dismemberments in recent years? Too many. Off the top of my head (excuse the pun) : a head found on a beach, head in a freezer, body cut to pieces in a suitcase, and a poor mentally disabled woman decapitated by two junkies in a flat "for a laugh". It's not common of course but it happens, and it's usually not suspected to be Islamic terrorism, because it OBVIOUSLY ISN'T.

But yeah... Manic paranoia successfully spread. Terrorists 1, stupid British public 0.

I said as the 'buzzword' decapitation had been used it was understandable for some to establish an initial theory is all.
To engage the public and request their support in counter terrorism, industrial espionage and being aware generally of suspicious behaviour has been requested many times as far back as WW1...
Being aware of a potential threat isn't living in fear... being ignorant to the fact there is a threat is scary.
I don't appreciate it being alluded to that those who are vigilant and aware of the threat are 'stupid', radicalisation of homegrown disenfranchised young people is real and the impact on communities and society as a whole immense.

You stick your head in that carrier bag, make sure you remove it from the sand first.

[user104658]

I said as the 'buzzword' decapitation had been used it was understandable for some to establish an initial theory is all.
To engage the public and request their support in counter terrorism, industrial espionage and being aware generally of suspicious behaviour has been requested many times as far back as WW1...
Being aware of a potential threat isn't living in fear... being ignorant to the fact there is a threat is scary.
I don't appreciate it being alluded to that those who are vigilant and aware of the threat are 'stupid', radicalisation of homegrown disenfranchised young people is real and the impact on communities and society as a whole immense.

You stick your head in that carrier bag, make sure you remove it from the sand first.

The intention of terrorism is to create a culture of fear and the constant media undercurrent that wants to link absolutely everything to "Terrorism" or "Radical Islam" plays right into that culture of fear, thereby ensuring the success of terrorism itself. It is "understandable" for some to create that link, but it's only understandable because of the preceeding media chatter surrounding decapitation in warzones. If we hadn't seen these news stories in recent weeks, would many people have heard about this poor woman and immediately started to bleat "teeeerrrrrrrorism!!"? I very much doubt it. Because logically, there is clearly no link, other than perhaps that an already disturbed individual has taken these news events as some sort of twisted inspiration.

The idea that we all need to be extra vigilant and on the lookout for explosives throughout the day is also ludicrous. Like seeing people visibly **** themselves every time they saw a black person sneeze during the "Ebola outbreak". Which is, of course, no more or less contained now than it was two weeks ago, but y'know... It's not too skaywee anymore because it's on page 7 now and beheading and bombs are in the headlines, so that's the scary thing now innit?

Again, it all plays right into that paranoia and fear culture, which all too often then ends up spiraling into xenophobia and casual racism, further alienating individuals and strengthening ACTUAL terrorist rhetoric.

[Kizzy]

The intention of terrorism is to create a culture of fear and the constant media undercurrent that wants to link absolutely everything to "Terrorism" or "Radical Islam" plays right into that culture of fear, thereby ensuring the success of terrorism itself. It is "understandable" for some to create that link, but it's only understandable because of the preceeding media chatter surrounding decapitation in warzones. If we hadn't seen these news stories in recent weeks, would many people have heard about this poor woman and immediately started to bleat "teeeerrrrrrrorism!!"? I very much doubt it. Because logically, there is clearly no link, other than perhaps that an already disturbed individual has taken these news events as some sort of twisted inspiration.

The idea that we all need to be extra vigilant and on the lookout for explosives throughout the day is also ludicrous. Like seeing people visibly **** themselves every time they saw a black person sneeze during the "Ebola outbreak". Which is, of course, no more or less contained now than it was two weeks ago, but y'know... It's not too skaywee anymore because it's on page 7 now and beheading and bombs are in the headlines, so that's the scary thing now innit?

Again, it all plays right into that paranoia and fear culture, which all too often then ends up spiraling into xenophobia and casual racism, further alienating individuals and strengthening ACTUAL terrorist rhetoric.

Nobody is bleating, giving a supercilious response to everyone who holds a different view to yourself is more than a little disconcerting.
An already twisted individual, let's look at that how do people get twisted... what is the process.. If terrorism in the guise of radicalisation to extremest ideology isn't an immediate threat how are western British Muslims persuaded to leave, train and return?
I'm going to ignore your section on the Ebola outbreak as it's not relevant here.
Whether or not some uninformed or ignorant people blame all Muslims for the actions of extremists is no reason to not be vigilant and aware that there is a threat, it need not impact on your day to day life... it just asks that you are open to the fact it can and has happened.

[LaLaLand]

This is horrendous, utterly shocked me to the core. Not saying that where I live is "nicer" than London as everywhere has their problems, but I'm really glad I live somewhere "small" where something like this happening is almost unthinkable. Poor, poor lady. R.I.P.

[Ninastar]

If this beheading had happened at any other time, other than a RED ALERT for terrorism, I'm sure a lot more people would not think it's terrorism.

I don't think it makes the UK stupid for thinking it was a terrorist attack. It's good to be aware that this type of stuff can happen. It would be naive to think that this never happens.

[user104658]

If this beheading had happened at any other time, other than a RED ALERT for terrorism, I'm sure a lot more people would not think it's terrorism.

But that is exactly my point. People are seeing ghosts in every window, because someone's told them that the castle is haunted. It's the whole purpose of terrorism - to make people fear attack. To see threats and danger at every turn when in reality the chances of being directly affected by such an attack are incredibly low.

I'm not being naive or saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. I'm just saying that it's frankly bizarre that news sources have to point out, in cases like this, that it's "probably not related to the terrorism alert level". That it has to be, pointed out that it's highly unlikely for there to have been a complex, multi-layer terrorist cell plot to murder an old lady and some cats.

This is continuing and perpetuating an illusion of constant danger where there is (effectively) none. You are more likely to crash your car and die driving home, or suffer from random cardiac failure right this very second, than you are to be killed or injured in a terrorist attack. "red alert" or not.

[arista]

Nothing from the Police , yet.


I think he is mental case of a 25 year old
who got inspired by ISIS
could be on meds or drugs.
Not a Terrorist


The Police had to Taser him

[arista]

From ITV1 London News

A man viewed the crazy 25 year old going towards him
he said it was like he was looking through me.
Then the 25 year old ran
as police were chasing him.

Before that 82 year old was hacked to death
he had killed a cat.

The 82 year old run a Local Cafe
every day with others from her family

[Vanessa]

I don't know what's going on with the world. It's like people are going crazy. :umm2:

[Kizzy]

But that is exactly my point. People are seeing ghosts in every window, because someone's told them that the castle is haunted. It's the whole purpose of terrorism - to make people fear attack. To see threats and danger at every turn when in reality the chances of being directly affected by such an attack are incredibly low.

I'm not being naive or saying that terrorist attacks don't happen. I'm just saying that it's frankly bizarre that news sources have to point out, in cases like this, that it's "probably not related to the terrorism alert level". That it has to be, pointed out that it's highly unlikely for there to have been a complex, multi-layer terrorist cell plot to murder an old lady and some cats.

This is continuing and perpetuating an illusion of constant danger where there is (effectively) none. You are more likely to crash your car and die driving home, or suffer from random cardiac failure right this very second, than you are to be killed or injured in a terrorist attack. "red alert" or not.

It's not a case of being directly affected, it's being indirectly affected too...
The fear nationally would grow if there was another significant attack, we all have a responsibility as citizens to maintain a safe environment for ourselves and others don't we?
I live in Leeds a large city which has from time to time been named as the target by terror organisations so we have been used to these requests for vigilance for years, it doesn't impact negatively on my life nor do I feel in constant fear, the saying is to be forewarned is to be four armed, no good ever came of an I'm alright jack attitude.

[rubymoo]

I don't know what's going on with the world. It's like people are going crazy. :umm2:

I know....it's all kicking off, and I fear it's going to get worse.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/5/333991/default/v1/the-sun-2-329x437.jpg

[user104658]

no good ever came of an I'm alright jack attitude.

That's not even close to what I was getting at, my point is that a disproportionate level fear disrupting daily thought processes is the main goal of terrorism and we play right into their hands via the media and paranoid word of mouth. But I dont think you get it at all, so I'm just going to leave it. Enjoy living in constant vigilance.

[user104658]

I know....it's all kicking off, and I fear it's going to get worse.

Its no different to how it ever was. The same crap is going on that has always been going on - the only difference is that in the age of the digital tabloid and social media, you hear about it more. It used to be easy to be oblivious to this sort of thing, now its impossible.

[rubymoo]

Its no different to how it ever was. The same crap is going on that has always been going on - the only difference is that in the age of the digital tabloid and social media, you hear about it more. It used to be easy to be oblivious to this sort of thing, now its impossible.

I know what you're saying, we are more informed now than ever before, the problem with me is i'm a thinker, my brain goes into over drive, and it doesn't help having children to worry about!

I do believe though that this isn't the end of it, and if Cameron does send in troops then the **** will hit the fan.

Terrorists aim to cause terror and even if that means making people think twice about that holiday abroad or stopping people visiting certain areas then their job is done. Sad but true.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/05/1409953439555_wps_15_EXC_PRINT_BEFORE_WEB_EXCL.jpg

[This is the man charged with
murdering great-grandmother Palmira Silva, who was brutally beheaded in a machete attack in her garden.
Nicholas Salvador, 25, is unemployed and was staying with a friend a few doors from the 82-year-old widow in Edmonton,
North London.
CCTV has emerged of Mr Salvador's movements two hours before the murder,
which shows him eating a quarter-pounder burger and an egg in a nearby cafe
before apparently walking out without paying.]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745629/Revealed-How-Muslim-arrested-gran-s-beheading-loner-never-job-nicknamed-Fat-Nick.html#ixzz3CWyqsPng


The killer
goes to court today

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/05/1409953808918_wps_24_Floral_tributes_at_the_ca.jpg
[Tributes: Tributes gathered outside one
of the London snack bars which had been run by the 82-year-old]

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/06/article-2745629-2119D01300000578-143_964x403.jpg
on the left the 82 year old in Italy on a break.
on the upper right
younger her with her late husband.


Middle the killer

[Kizzy]

That's not even close to what I was getting at, my point is that a disproportionate level fear disrupting daily thought processes is the main goal of terrorism and we play right into their hands via the media and paranoid word of mouth. But I dont think you get it at all, so I'm just going to leave it. Enjoy living in constant vigilance.

I understand you're view as you've described it, you don't feel you'll ever be be personally affected (and I hope your not) therefore you don't feel the need for counter terrorism and preparedness measures.
The main goal of terrorists is to cause maximum damage and loss of life during an incident, do I feel the public could and should have a part to play in preventing such incidents? Yes.
Enjoy living like a not so wise monkey TS.

It's very different now to terrorism was years ago, when did you first hear of the term 'suicide bomber'? That changed everything.

[lostalex]

this seems like just a crazy person. not much to say about it.

[user104658]

I understand you're view as you've described it, you don't feel you'll ever be be personally affected (and I hope your not) therefore you don't feel the need for counter terrorism and preparedness measures.

Incorrect.

[Kizzy]

Incorrect.

I used the wrong your... the rest is correct :hehe:

[user104658]

I used the wrong your... the rest is correct :hehe:

It isn't. I don't think I'm any more or less likely to be affected by a terrorist attack than anyone else - I just know that the likelihood of any person, individually, being killed in a terrorist attack is miniscule. The likelihood of SOMEONE being killed is high. And because of that, people go down the same old path of failing to accurately understand risk statistics. I *might* be blown up by a terrorist. It is *very very very very very unlikely*. Therefore, I refuse to change how I live my life, or to live my life in fear, based on a miniscule risk. That is exactly the purpose of terrorism and the more people play into it, the more terrorism "works", and following that, the more incentive there is to commit acts of terrorism.


The reason I don't see the need to follow hyperbolic anti-terrorism advice or to see terror spooks in every dark corner (i.e. violent story in press = MUST BE TERRORISTSTSTSTSTSTS!!) is really simple. It's the same reason that I don't walk down the street wrapped in a kevlar suit fearing that I might be attacked by a vicious dog. It's the same reason that whilst I wear a helmet for cycling - I don't wear one every time I go out for a walk that will involve crossing a road for fear that I'll be hit by a car.

I *might* be attacked by a vicious dog one day.
I won't wear a kevlar suit or live in fear of vicious dogs.

I *might* be hit by a car one day.
I won't walk around wearing a helmet or live in fear of cars.

I *might* be blown up by terrorists.
I won't fear abandonned plastic bags or live in fear of terrorism.


The only difference is that I'm far MORE likely to be attacked by a dog or hit by a car than I am to be killed as the result of terrorism :shrug:.

[Kizzy]

I can't see the relevance of your comparisons tbh, nobody is suggesting you live in a state of perpetual fear at all and listening to your rant I feel you're more affected than you like to admit.
If you worked in B&Q and someone bought several boxes of 6in nails and nothing else.

If you worked in a hairdressing suppliers and someone bought copious amounts of hydrogen peroxide and nothing else.

If you worked in an airport and someone was taking pictures of the entrance/exit points or security cameras.

Being aware is not the same as being fearful.

[arista]

From ITV1 London Local News

The Unemployed 25 year old killer
refused to confirm his name
broke down in tears.


4 Police men were around him at all times.


He is next at the Old Bailey Courts
this tuesday