Who looked worse Dee or Gary?

[Josy]

Who came out looking the worst in that argument there between Dee and Gary?

Gary seemed a bit grumpy in the kitchen tbf but then I think Dee completely over reacted then resorted to threats of violence and proceeded to bitch for an hour in the kitchen to anyone who would listen, she also felt the need to repeat the same insult over and over..

I also think she was gunning for Gary a bit after the kitchen incident because she was sitting on the sofa growling at him when he was in the kitchen.

Gary went into the room, lay on the bed and never said anything else about it.

So taking all that into account I think Dee looked a right twat.

[zakman440]

Definitely Dee.

[jessicadanielle]

Dee definitely. I agree Gary in the living room was grumpy, but outside she was just being ridiculous. Where did all of this "don't get in my face" while getting in Gary's face business come from? He wasn't in her face at all imo.

[abhorson]

99% Dee. 1% for the benefit!

[bots]

So taking all that into account I think Dee looked a right twat.

Gary is a great communicator, although the other housemates refuse to see it or understand it.

No one has the depth or the intelligence to take Gary on in there so what we saw was Dee resorting to dirty tactics to try and gain the upper hand, failing miserably. I would imagine, in the outside world, she would have taken a physical swipe at Gary by now, maybe that's harsh of me, but its how she comes across to me. I think she is someone that uses her size and physicality to dominate people

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Dee 100%

[Cherie]

Bitter bitch Dee

[Pete.]

Tbh this is Gary's 100th argument so at this stage he's coming across as really rude

[Vanessa]

Tbh this is Gary's 100th argument so at this stage he's coming across as really rude

After the way they all treat him i say they deserve a bit of their own medicine.

[jessicadanielle]

Gary is a great communicator, although the other housemates refuse to see it or understand it.

No one has the depth or the intelligence to take Gary on in there so what we saw was Dee resorting to dirty tactics to try and gain the upper hand, failing miserably. I would imagine, in the outside world, she would have taken a physical swipe at Gary by now, maybe that's harsh of me, but its how she comes across to me. I think she is someone that uses her size and physicality to dominate people

I agree that in some ways Gary is a great communicator, but the whole concept of having good communication skills means being able to adapt them to fit the audience and purpose. Gary fails to do that imo, it's why he's always called rude.

Agree about Dee btw, I'd be quite intimidated by her if I'm honest.

[Mystic Mock]

Well on shallow reasons Dee, to do with the actual argument Dee as she thinks that she's Helen from BB15 but she lacks almost everything that Helen had about her that made Helen entertaining to watch.

[Northern Monkey]

I can't believe at the start i said something along the lines of "Dee is a lovely woman".She has certainly smashed that theory,God she's awful.Every time anybody nominates someone she likes in f2f's she pulls that nasty spiteful face,Threatening a 70 year old man with physical and mental problems is disgusting,She is a scumbag.She does'nt deserve to be in any show with the word "Celebrity" in the title or infront of any TV camera.I don't ever use the word "vile" but for her it is very fitting.Awful!

[Liam-]

Gary was definitely in the wrong, he got in her face first.. And the went on to mock and patronise her as they were having a conversation, he purposely wound her up and had a massive smile on his face as he did so, Dee had every right to get annoyed.. The 'smash his face in' comment wasn't necessary, but Gary was totally in the wrong.

[Jules2]

Gary is a great communicator, although the other housemates refuse to see it or understand it.

No one has the depth or the intelligence to take Gary on in there so what we saw was Dee resorting to dirty tactics to try and gain the upper hand, failing miserably. I would imagine, in the outside world, she would have taken a physical swipe at Gary by now, maybe that's harsh of me, but its how she comes across to me. I think she is someone that uses her size and physicality to dominate people

I was thinking that myself, she would make a terrible carer in any sort of home, she is far to nosey and feels she has to interfere in everyones business. Her boyfriend already has a wife/partner and a child cant remember which, I wonder if she knows and if she does then she doesnt have much thought for the child.....

[Jules2]

Gary was definitely in the wrong, he got in her face first.. And the went on to mock and patronise her as they were having a conversation, he purposely wound her up and had a massive smile on his face as he did so, Dee had every right to get annoyed.. The 'smash his face in' comment wasn't necessary, but Gary was totally in the wrong.

If you watched it on LF Dee had a smirk on her face most of the time, she was smirking to someone else who wasnt shown, it was possibly George as Gary wanted to talk to him and she wouldnt let him. There was a bit more to it. It is about time Gary has something to say to the so and sos they have had a whale of a time with him. She was downright nasty to him.

[Jules2]

I agree that in some ways Gary is a great communicator, but the whole concept of having good communication skills means being able to adapt them to fit the audience and purpose. Gary fails to do that imo, it's why he's always called rude.

Agree about Dee btw, I'd be quite intimidated by her if I'm honest.

He has trouble with accents and knowing what terms are in use, he therefore misunderstands. His deafness does not help one bit. It is a fact that different things have alternative meanings in different cultures. It cant be easy for him.

[MojoNixon]

True votes, not fixed ones :)

[delta]

Deaf people do lean forward to catch what you are saying.

Dee adopted the aggressive posture in response to what she thought was aggression by Gary.

The rest of them are totally despicable towards him. Audley is the only one where the penny has finally dropped. He's an ageing , deaf, poorly gentlemen, who is set in his ways.

[Sophiee]

dee by far, gary came across as vacant and innocent really.

[jessicadanielle]

He has trouble with accents and knowing what terms are in use, he therefore misunderstands. His deafness does not help one bit. It is a fact that different things have alternative meanings in different cultures. It cant be easy for him.

I didn't really mean his comprehension of what other people says, but the way he speaks to others. He often talks about abstract things which can alienate some people.

There's nothing wrong with that btw, I'm just commenting on the opinion of another forum member that Gary is a great communicator.

[the truth]

dee looked like the bullying twat she is....gar was great and exposed her black heart yet again....she of course threatened to smash his face in, but big brother didnt warn her because shes a woman....even though it was her umpteenth threat of violence,

[joeysteele]

Absolutely Dee,this is the worst she has come across in this series too, she was way out of order.

[jet]

Gary was wrong in the kitchen, when he was rude to her and then said something about wanting a fight. (if I heard that right?) But in the garden Dee was awful, sitting there with that sly look and getting into his face. Then telling him she wasn't his carer!!! And Gary goes 'You never were' and she says 'I know'. WTF did she say it for then??? Then she gets a dig in about his hygiene and tops it all with a threat of violence. Loathsome woman.

[Jules2]

Gary was wrong in the kitchen, when he was rude to her and then said something about wanting a fight. (if I heard that right?) But in the garden Dee was awful, sitting there with that sly look and getting into his face. Then telling him she wasn't his carer!!! And Gary goes 'You never were' and she says 'I know'. WTF did she say it for then??? Then she gets a dig in about his hygiene and tops it all with a threat of violence. Loathsome woman.

The trouble is we dont really know what that was about in the kitchen, if I remember rightly it was straight after Frenchy went. I know that Dee had said to Ricci and Lauren that they would be alright now that Frenchy had gone because it was Frenchy who had nominated them.

Have a look at Dee's face in this latest task, Gary wrote a piece about Stephanie which wasnt nasty at all, her face was a study. She clearly doesnt like or understand him.

[Jules2]

I didn't really mean his comprehension of what other people says, but the way he speaks to others. He often talks about abstract things which can alienate some people.

There's nothing wrong with that btw, I'm just commenting on the opinion of another forum member that Gary is a great communicator.

Ah I was just generalising tbh but because he talks on the spiritual line it is definitely a difficult thing for many to understand. His logic is understandable though if they could get past the thinking "rude" bit. I would love to sit and have a chat with him.

[Jords]

DigitalMethod, housemate, karezza, LiamPRW, Petemitch, troy4783, waterhog :nono:

[the truth]

Ah I was just generalising tbh but because he talks on the spiritual line it is definitely a difficult thing for many to understand. His logic is understandable though if they could get past the thinking "rude" bit. I would love to sit and have a chat with him.

its not difficult theyre just to ignorant, impatient and judgemental to listen to anyone but themselves

[iknowyourmother]

I can't ****ing stand Gary. It's sad that the british public is not seeing through his act. He is an american reality tv *****. He is manipulative and winding the housemates up to try and get a reaction.

The spiritual bull**** he spews out is about as genuine as Mark's psychic abilities in the summer series.

[colin72]

Gary was definitely in the wrong, he got in her face first..

Give me a break. He leaned forward for a split second as she was looking away as a way to get her attention and emphasize what he was saying. It was NOT an aggressive move.

he purposely wound her up and had a massive smile on his face as he did so

How can you be so wrong so often?

He did not purposely wind her up. He was trying to understand her and be understood. She lost patience with him. It was obvious she was angry about other things. After she said, "I'm not your carer", she said "no one wants you touching their food because of your hygiene Gary". WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT?

And about him smiling... How can he not think she's a joke after how she had just blew up at him and stormed off? The sight of the fat whale with a bad haircut waddling away would have made anyone smile.

[tanussa]

dee was just so nasty with no reason, think shes prob like this in real life and its getting harder for her to hold it back now

[Gusto Brunt]

Battleaxe Dee, without question.

[Tip]

Dee is looking tired and miserable to me, and she is getting more and more intolerant and bad tempered.

Gary also appears to have his mask slipping a bit more these days, and definitely doesn't appear virtuous, but I'd say that Dee is coming out worse.

Gary after all is a pretty seasoned reality show player - this is new for Dee.

[aimat2]

Dee

[Patricia4]

Dee

[hijaxers]

Seems to me that Dee has become the alpha male ! What a nasty piece of work she is , I liked her at the start but i bloody despise her now.

[rubymoo]

I think Dee came off worse especially as it appeared he adjusted his position on the garden chair and leant forward as he was speaking and Dee then told him not to get in her face and leant forward and deliberately and got in his face.

He then seemed bewildered as to why she was getting in his face???

I think Gary's hearing has caused him to invade personal space (not his fault he's just getting close to hear better), but it makes the others uncomfortable, it's not helped by him talking in riddles half the time (Gary is one of my favourites, and it amuses me when he does this, i love seeing the HM's faces doing the wtf expression,lol.)

I think the others haven't cottoned on to looking at him straight on so that he can lip read (a lot of people with hearing problems do this), they instead look to the floor whilst talking or talk whilst looking around, or talk whilst walking off.

I feel sorry for Gary as it's becoming increasingly obvious to himself that he's disliked, and that must be horrid for him to experience.

[Liam-]

Give me a break. He leaned forward for a split second as she was looking away as a way to get her attention and emphasize what he was saying. It was NOT an aggressive move.



How can you be so wrong so often?

He did not purposely wind her up. He was trying to understand her and be understood. She lost patience with him. It was obvious she was angry about other things. After she said, "I'm not your carer", she said "no one wants you touching their food because of your hygiene Gary". WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT?

And about him smiling... How can he not think she's a joke after how she had just blew up at him and stormed off? The sight of the fat whale with a bad haircut waddling away would have made anyone smile.

I didn't say it was an aggressive move, i said he got in her face, that's never nice to experience no matter who you are.
Let's not forget that he had already asked her 'Do you want a fight?' in the living room before now and she got annoyed by that already, but we're not going to mention that are we? the fact that he was reveling in winding her up, okay then.
Secondly, i am not 'wrong so often' because i only ever state my opinion and i never state that as fact, unlike other people seem to be fond of doing on here, so therefore i can't be wrong because everyone is entitled to believe what they believe, i won't tell you you're wrong, so don't tell me, or others are wrong because they disagree with you.
Oh and if you were as big of a Gary fan as you seem to be, you'd realise that Gary is a spiritual person and believes that it's what on the insides that counts, one of the traits i do admire him for, so he wouldn't have been laughing at the 'fat whale' walking off because he's not a judgmental person, unlike many people out there, Bye Felicia.

Ps, welcome to the forum :wavey:

[jessicadanielle]

Ah I was just generalising tbh but because he talks on the spiritual line it is definitely a difficult thing for many to understand. His logic is understandable though if they could get past the thinking "rude" bit. I would love to sit and have a chat with him.

Yep I totally agree! I'd love to have a chat with him too. Some of them need to accept that he speaks a little differently to them. I understand that they might have been offended at first but they should just accept that he means no rudeness now.

[Jules2]

its not difficult theyre just to ignorant, impatient and judgemental to listen to anyone but themselves

:laugh: I was being kind Truth....:laugh: I agree totally.

[Jules2]

I didn't say it was an aggressive move, i said he got in her face, that's never nice to experience no matter who you are.
Let's not forget that he had already asked her 'Do you want a fight?' in the living room before now and she got annoyed by that already, but we're not going to mention that are we? the fact that he was reveling in winding her up, okay then.
Secondly, i am not 'wrong so often' because i only ever state my opinion and i never state that as fact, unlike other people seem to be fond of doing on here, so therefore i can't be wrong because everyone is entitled to believe what they believe, i won't tell you you're wrong, so don't tell me, or others are wrong because they disagree with you.
Oh and if you were as big of a Gary fan as you seem to be, you'd realise that Gary is a spiritual person and believes that it's what on the insides that counts, one of the traits i do admire him for, so he wouldn't have been laughing at the 'fat whale' walking off because he's not a judgmental person, unlike many people out there, Bye Felicia.

Ps, welcome to the forum :wavey:

As I have mentioned, we didnt get to the bottom of that as we werent shown what went on before. The only thing I know is that Madam Dee was yapping about Frenchy. Now had someone else said to her the same thing, she would have laughed and they would have had a joke, but of course this was Gary. He has proven that he is not aggressive, he is to be admired with everything he has had to put up with and yet, he thanks them.

Many people can pick up the inside attitude of others, now I would say that Dee was already on the warpath about something, we shall never know. He could have been trying to diffuse the situation but of course, this was Dee, mind you none of them have even tried to understand Gary's humour.

Did you watch the LF, Dee was winding Gary up because he couldnt understand, she was smirking to someone else, there was mischeif in her eyes, she thought it was funny. Then she sprouted to the rest of the HMs and threatened to smash his face in. Lovely lass, I hope she gets picked up on it if not there should be a lot of complaints for letting her get away with it. She is despicable.

[Liam-]

As I have mentioned, we didnt get to the bottom of that as we werent shown what went on before. The only thing I know is that Madam Dee was yapping about Frenchy. Now had someone else said to her the same thing, she would have laughed and they would have had a joke, but of course this was Gary. He has proven that he is not aggressive, he is to be admired with everything he has had to put up with and yet, he thanks them.

Many people can pick up the inside attitude of others, now I would say that Dee was already on the warpath about something, we shall never know. He could have been trying to diffuse the situation but of course, this was Dee, mind you none of them have even tried to understand Gary's humour.

Did you watch the LF, Dee was winding Gary up because he couldnt understand, she was smirking to someone else, there was mischeif in her eyes, she thought it was funny. Then she sprouted to the rest of the HMs and threatened to smash his face in. Lovely lass, I hope she gets picked up on it if not there should be a lot of complaints for letting her get away with it. She is despicable.

But we do know where it came from, it was all due to the conversation that was had between them by the table about surprise evictions, Gary understood what Dee was saying and it was all fine, then went off on a tangent like Gary does quite regularly, which confused Dee and she got frustrated, that's when he came out with the line 'do you want a fight?' because he could see that she was getting annoyed/frustrated, whether he did it on purpose can be argued until we've all turned blue, but it wound her up.
And i agree with you about the comment she made, it wasn't necessary, but i don't think she should be particularly given warning about it, but she should definitely be told that things like that shouldn't be said in the house, whether joking or not.

[Jules2]

I think Dee came off worse especially as it appeared he adjusted his position on the garden chair and leant forward as he was speaking and Dee then told him not to get in her face and leant forward and deliberately and got in his face.

He then seemed bewildered as to why she was getting in his face???

I think Gary's hearing has caused him to invade personal space (not his fault he's just getting close to hear better), but it makes the others uncomfortable, it's not helped by him talking in riddles half the time (Gary is one of my favourites, and it amuses me when he does this, i love seeing the HM's faces doing the wtf expression,lol.)

I think the others haven't cottoned on to looking at him straight on so that he can lip read (a lot of people with hearing problems do this), they instead look to the floor whilst talking or talk whilst looking around, or talk whilst walking off.

I feel sorry for Gary as it's becoming increasingly obvious to himself that he's disliked, and that must be horrid for him to experience.


Hi Ruby, I think it is the others we have to feel sorry for, they are just jumped up wannabees who have to have a scapegoat. There is usually one or two in each series, this time it is Gary. After all he has reached the big 70. What some of them should remember is this, we are all on a learning curb and age does not have any boundaries. They think they are young, attractive and adorable little things but they have so much to learn. Some are at that stage whereby they wouldnt even want to admire an "old twisted fool" in their eyes. They are so wrong it is so so sad.

I doubt very much whether he cares if they like him, he is not vindictive and he realises that they to are on that learning curb, they have a long long way to go. He understands the emotions and the whys and wherefores, why did they do that. Can I ease their pain? I do not think he is the least bit concerned about himself. He has a far better insight than any of them will have at this moment in time. There may come a time when they will look back and see what despicable creatures some of them were, I doubt it though as they will make excuses to themselves and then go on to the next car crash. :wavey: They will soon be forgotten and possibly end up in an OAP home with a Mama Dee looking after them and bullying them into submission.

[bots]

But we do know where it came from, it was all due to the conversation that was had between them by the table about surprise evictions, Gary understood what Dee was saying and it was all fine, then went off on a tangent like Gary does quite regularly, which confused Dee and she got frustrated, that's when he came out with the line 'do you want a fight?' because he could see that she was getting annoyed/frustrated, whether he did it on purpose can be argued until we've all turned blue, but it wound her up.
And i agree with you about the comment she made, it wasn't necessary, but i don't think she should be particularly given warning about it, but she should definitely be told that things like that shouldn't be said in the house, whether joking or not.

The problem is that Dee has used aggressive language a number of times now. I will scratch anyones eyes out that nominates my babies, I will smash so and so's head in etc. On their own, its possible to put it down to frustration etc, but when its persistent, it gives off an air of overtly aggressive behaviour.

The other thing that really annoys me is that she and others keep coming up with this carer thing, its another attempt to demean Gary's worth in the house. No-one has asked them to be a carer, but it should be normal for people to have concern and affection for their fellow man. If its a task for them, then they have no need to do it or make Martyrs of themselves. So the only reason they say these things are to try and demean Gary. I don't consider that pleasant behaviour at all, and when it comes from the person that sets herself up as the supposed nurturing "mother of the house" , something doesn't add up.

All in all, the person she tries to project, is not the person she is in reality

[Jules2]

But we do know where it came from, it was all due to the conversation that was had between them by the table about surprise evictions, Gary understood what Dee was saying and it was all fine, then went off on a tangent like Gary does quite regularly, which confused Dee and she got frustrated, that's when he came out with the line 'do you want a fight?' because he could see that she was getting annoyed/frustrated, whether he did it on purpose can be argued until we've all turned blue, but it wound her up.
And i agree with you about the comment she made, it wasn't necessary, but i don't think she should be particularly given warning about it, but she should definitely be told that things like that shouldn't be said in the house, whether joking or not.

No, no no, I am talking about the piece in the room moreorless after Frenchy was evicted. If we go back there was a point where Gary went soon after the eviction to talk to Dee. Now that was shown in a fuller sense later on. Nothing was heard at the time. You were commenting on the fact of "do you want to fight". You may be right, so much has happened it is difficult to put a time scale on it tbh.

She needs a warning, why should she be allowed to get away with that, it is bullying in the highest form. Audley was taken to the DR on a jumped up theme. She is volatile, look at the way she threatened the person who nominated her baby! How pathetic. Stephanie was pulled up about her behaviour to Gary, she has since toned it down and made an effort.

I just have no time at all for Dee, she is running the house and thinks that things should be done to her plan.

I respect what you are saying though, it cannot all be easy but Gary does have the upper hand with it all. He is better on a one to one situation but he has to feel in tune with the other person because if the other person is aggressive inside, it is hard not to react to that condition. He is a "sensitive" and the feeling originates from the solar plexus. He has great self control.

Perhaps Dee should look at the man and not the age, just because one reaches 70 does not make that person any lesser than one of 40. They have automatically put him in an OAP home, heaven help their own.

[Jules2]

The problem is that Dee has used aggressive language a number of times now. I will scratch anyones eyes out that nominates my babies, I will smash so and so's head in etc. On their own, its possible to put it down to frustration etc, but when its persistent, it gives off an air of overtly aggressive behaviour.

The other thing that really annoys me is that she and others keep coming up with this carer thing, its another attempt to demean Gary's worth in the house. No-one has asked them to be a carer, but it should be normal for people to have concern and affection for their fellow man. If its a task for them, then they have no need to do it or make Martyrs of themselves. So the only reason they say these things are to try and demean Gary. I don't consider that pleasant behaviour at all, and when it comes from the person that sets herself up as the supposed nurturing "mother of the house" , something doesn't add up.

All in all, the person she tries to project, is not the person she is in reality

I agree totally, the only reason she has set herself up as the mama of the house is to avoid nominations. Look at the way she went to someone who Lauren was comforting, she took over, there was no need for it. That was my first suspicion of the woman, havent liked her since.

[Liam-]

No, no no, I am talking about the piece in the room moreorless after Frenchy was evicted. If we go back there was a point where Gary went soon after the eviction to talk to Dee. Now that was shown in a fuller sense later on. Nothing was heard at the time. You were commenting on the fact of "do you want to fight". You may be right, so much has happened it is difficult to put a time scale on it tbh.

She needs a warning, why should she be allowed to get away with that, it is bullying in the highest form. Audley was taken to the DR on a jumped up theme. She is volatile, look at the way she threatened the person who nominated her baby! How pathetic. Stephanie was pulled up about her behaviour to Gary, she has since toned it down and made an effort.

I just have no time at all for Dee, she is running the house and thinks that things should be done to her plan.

I respect what you are saying though, it cannot all be easy but Gary does have the upper hand with it all. He is better on a one to one situation but he has to feel in tune with the other person because if the other person is aggressive inside, it is hard not to react to that condition. He is a "sensitive" and the feeling originates from the solar plexus. He has great self control.

Perhaps Dee should look at the man and not the age, just because one reaches 70 does not make that person any lesser than one of 40. They have automatically put him in an OAP home, heaven help their own.

Oh i agree that she has used some.. less that favourable language, but the whole 'scratch your eyes out' thing, i really do believe she was joking, me and my friends say that all the time, if we're joking about something that we do that some of us don't like, i do agree that it shouldn't be said to people, unless there's an agreed presence of humour when saying it though.

And i've said that since the beginning, Gary is capable of way more than he's being allowed to show, but i see that as a natural reaction, if i'm around someone of a certain age and looks to be unable to do certain things, i would take it upon myself to do it for them, without thinking beforehand whether or not they were capable of doing it themselves, i don't think anyone in there can be blamed for doing so really.

You have to agree though, that he does sit back and let people do things for him when he doesn't want to do it, because he knows someone will do it for him anyway? :joker:

[Jules2]

I can't ****ing stand Gary. It's sad that the british public is not seeing through his act. He is an american reality tv *****. He is manipulative and winding the housemates up to try and get a reaction.

The spiritual bull**** he spews out is about as genuine as Mark's psychic abilities in the summer series.

I disagree totally with you but hey say you were correct, it is a game and may the best man win :laugh:

On the other hand though I do not think that so many of the public can be wrong, he speaks natural truths which we could learn for ourselves. If we understood where our emotions come from and why, why were we feeling like that etc. etc. was it my own fault? We can save ourselves a lot of illness and aggression just by trying to see ourselves. No matter what you say, he is doing that.

He hasnt had one bad word to say about anyone, he has apologised over and over again for his so called misdeameanours. He has become their lapdog but, he is the wisest of them all because pride comes before that bloomin fall.

[Tip]

I actually do believe that Dee feels intimidated by Gary. I think he knows that and plays up to it and I wouldn't be surprised if he is quite chuffed by her over-reaction to him.

He isn't really "engaged" with anyone in there I think, whether his fault or theirs. The fact that he chose to nominate Frenchy over other possibles says something about where his head and gameplaying is at.

[jaxie]

The problem is that Dee has used aggressive language a number of times now. I will scratch anyones eyes out that nominates my babies, I will smash so and so's head in etc. On their own, its possible to put it down to frustration etc, but when its persistent, it gives off an air of overtly aggressive behaviour.

The other thing that really annoys me is that she and others keep coming up with this carer thing, its another attempt to demean Gary's worth in the house. No-one has asked them to be a carer, but it should be normal for people to have concern and affection for their fellow man. If its a task for them, then they have no need to do it or make Martyrs of themselves. So the only reason they say these things are to try and demean Gary. I don't consider that pleasant behaviour at all, and when it comes from the person that sets herself up as the supposed nurturing "mother of the house" , something doesn't add up.

All in all, the person she tries to project, is not the person she is in reality

Absolutely spot on, I couldn't agree more.

[Jules2]

Oh i agree that she has used some.. less that favourable language, but the wholer e 'scratch youyes out' thing, i really do believe she was joking, me and my friends say that all the time, if we're joking about something that we do that some of us don't like, i do agree that it shouldn't be said to people, unless there's an agreed presence of humour when saying it though.

And i've said that since the beginning, Gary is capable of way more than he's being allowed to show, but i see that as a natural reaction, if i'm around someone of a certain age and looks to be unable to do certain things, i would take it upon myself to do it for them, without thinking beforehand whether or not they were capable of doing it themselves, i don't think anyone in there can be blamed for doing so really.

You have to agree though, that he does sit back and let people do things for him when he doesn't want to do it, because he knows someone will do it for him anyway? :joker:

Ah ha,,, so we have to consider that Dee was joking, if I should say that Gary was joking when he said "do you want to fight" would you consider that? :smug: (dont you just love these smilies :laugh:).

I think with that last bit, they dont want him in the kitchen, he was washing up the other day but they dont trust him to do anything. Why is Adele washing his clothes, mind you it sounds as though she has made herself the washerwoman of the house.

The way I see it is this, if he peed on the toilet ask him nicely to clear it up instead of complaining. He spilt coffe on the stairs, let him clear it up.....the trouble is they see that 7 and the 0 and they consider him useless, he isnt. Look at the way he ran around with the "tickle team". Dee argued that his knee was bad, he said it wasnt, he had his pills and a support, the tickle team proves that. Ok he fell down once that was most likely because he had to get up from a low position and he lost his balance.

He isnt useless and they should stop treating him as though he was, give him permission to make a sandwich, I have seen him making a drink several times so no he isnt useless, they just want to treat him that way. He has taken part in all the tasks and hasnt shied away from anything other than sleeping outside, which, I may add, he stuck until 1.30am.

Treat him with respect and he will look after himself, as he said Dee wasnt and never has been his carer. That was an insult. :laugh:

[cheeky_monkey]

Dee

[Liam-]

Ah ha,,, so we have to consider that Dee was joking, if I should say that Gary was joking when he said "do you want to fight" would you consider that? :smug: (dont you just love these smilies :laugh:).

I think with that last bit, they dont want him in the kitchen, he was washing up the other day but they dont trust him to do anything. Why is Adele washing his clothes, mind you it sounds as though she has made herself the washerwoman of the house.

The way I see it is this, if he peed on the toilet ask him nicely to clear it up instead of complaining. He spilt coffe on the stairs, let him clear it up.....the trouble is they see that 7 and the 0 and they consider him useless, he isnt. Look at the way he ran around with the "tickle team". Dee argued that his knee was bad, he said it wasnt, he had his pills and a support, the tickle team proves that. Ok he fell down once that was most likely because he had to get up from a low position and he lost his balance.

He isnt useless and they should stop treating him as though he was, give him permission to make a sandwich, I have seen him making a drink several times so no he isnt useless, they just want to treat him that way. He has taken part in all the tasks and hasnt shied away from anything other than sleeping outside, which, I may add, he stuck until 1.30am.

Treat him with respect and he will look after himself, as he said Dee wasnt and never has been his carer. That was an insult. :laugh:

I would definitely consider that he was joking, i'm not one of these people who sees everything as black and white and only sees faults in people, i didn't particularly see it as a joke, but i can see how he might have thought it was a joke etc :laugh:

I agree with you, they should be letting him do more for himself, not all 70 year old people are incapable of looking after themselves, my Bampy was 76 when he died and up until the day he became sick, he looked after his house by himself, he did gardening, he looked after his cat, he did his own washing, he shopped, he cleaned.. i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.

[the truth]

dee is a very aggressive lazy impatient person. she has a very nasty side to her, the fact she has stolen from old people before says a lot about the respect she lacks for older people. she even stooped so low as to say gary was physically incapable of being on the show. she has threatened several people to tear their eyes out, now to smash garys face in etc she has constantly mocked him and sworn about him and run him down behind his back and shown him less than no empathy . the fact shes not been warned for unacceptable behaviour is a disgrace. if a man threatened female housemates hed get a serious dressing down

[rubymoo]

Hi Ruby, I think it is the others we have to feel sorry for, they are just jumped up wannabees who have to have a scapegoat. There is usually one or two in each series, this time it is Gary. After all he has reached the big 70. What some of them should remember is this, we are all on a learning curb and age does not have any boundaries. They think they are young, attractive and adorable little things but they have so much to learn. Some are at that stage whereby they wouldnt even want to admire an "old twisted fool" in their eyes. They are so wrong it is so so sad.

I doubt very much whether he cares if they like him, he is not vindictive and he realises that they to are on that learning curb, they have a long long way to go. He understands the emotions and the whys and wherefores, why did they do that. Can I ease their pain? I do not think he is the least bit concerned about himself. He has a far better insight than any of them will have at this moment in time. There may come a time when they will look back and see what despicable creatures some of them were, I doubt it though as they will make excuses to themselves and then go on to the next car crash. :wavey: They will soon be forgotten and possibly end up in an OAP home with a Mama Dee looking after them and bullying them into submission.

What a lovely post Jules:hug:

I agree with everything you've said!

That's what makes me laugh when he talks in riddles, you have to really listen to what he says and if you do that he makes sense, the others are too up themselves to have the patience to listen, and he comes across as a lovely warm person who himself is learning. The others see him as the problem, but he's there for them to learn about themselves, and i'm sure when they watch it back they will then learn their lesson.

I really hope Gary wins:dance:

[bots]

i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.

Its not just old people, as we have seen in a million other episodes of BB. If someone wants to take on responsibility for doing a particular chore, let them get on with it. In the BB house you only get people fighting to do these chores because they want to relieve boredom or see an opportunity to make themselves look good and score some points. Gary has no need to score points or relieve boredom, so why not sit on his ass? I would too :laugh:

[Jules2]

I would definitely consider that he was joking, i'm not one of these people who sees everything as black and white and only sees faults in people, i didn't particularly see it as a joke, but i can see how he might have thought it was a joke etc :laugh:

I agree with you, they should be letting him do more for himself, not all 70 year old people are incapable of looking after themselves, my Bampy was 76 when he died and up until the day he became sick, he looked after his house by himself, he did gardening, he looked after his cat, he did his own washing, he shopped, he cleaned.. i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.

Aw I have never heard that expression Bampy, I bet you loved him dearly. I am 74 my husband is 77 but sadly he has just been diagnosed with cancer. He is on chemo but he is still doing his bit. We are bringing up two grandchildren, one is 17 and the other is 14. We have had them with us for over 11 years. We take great pride in being part of the younger generation, they each treat us with respect and love. My 26 year old eldest grandson came all the way from Leeds, quite a way from myself, to help me when my husband was in hospital.

I just feel so sad that there is so much ageism in the house this time, I genuinely feel sorry for their attitudes and I respect and love Gary for his wealth of knowledge, his understanding of the younger ones and his ability not to "bitch" and to moan about his treatment, he accepts it all as the learning curb which will give him a greater understanding of each of them. No matter what age we are, we learn........your Bampy wont be far from you.:wavey::elephant: Ya know, I love elephants, they supposedly never forget and our departed ones are never forgotten.

[Jules2]

Its not just old people, as we have seen in a million other episodes of BB. If someone wants to take on responsibility for doing a particular chore, let them get on with it. In the BB house you only get people fighting to do these chores because they want to relieve boredom or see an opportunity to make themselves look good and score some points. Gary has no need to score points or relieve boredom, so why not sit on his ass? I would too :laugh:

You are so right, I never thought of it that way, Gary does not need to score points at all, he is to wise for that malarky, leve it to the others to hang themselves :cheer2:

[Lostie!]

Honestly, I don't think either came across brilliantly.

[puzzled]

Aw I have never heard that expression Bampy, I bet you loved him dearly. I am 74 my husband is 77 but sadly he has just been diagnosed with cancer. He is on chemo but he is still doing his bit. We are bringing up two grandchildren, one is 17 and the other is 14. We have had them with us for over 11 years. We take great pride in being part of the younger generation, they each treat us with respect and love. My 26 year old eldest grandson came all the way from Leeds, quite a way from myself, to help me when my husband was in hospital.

I just feel so sad that there is so much ageism in the house this time, I genuinely feel sorry for their attitudes and I respect and love Gary for his wealth of knowledge, his understanding of the younger ones and his ability not to "bitch" and to moan about his treatment, he accepts it all as the learning curb which will give him a greater understanding of each of them. No matter what age we are, we learn........your Bampy wont be far from you.:wavey::elephant: Ya know, I love elephants, they supposedly never forget and our departed ones are never forgotten.

I hope your husband beats the cancer. It sounds like your grandchildren would treat Gary 1000 times better than some of those bilious HMs.

[Kizzy]

Dee without a shadow of a doubt, she's very bombastic and tries to railroad gary in conversations, he tried very hard to understand and explain how her reasoning was wrong but she was not sensitive enough to realise how offensive she was being...
She might have well said 'you're old and past it gary get out!' all because he fell over, she fell over too iirc.

[Kizzy]

Aw I have never heard that expression Bampy, I bet you loved him dearly. I am 74 my husband is 77 but sadly he has just been diagnosed with cancer. He is on chemo but he is still doing his bit. We are bringing up two grandchildren, one is 17 and the other is 14. We have had them with us for over 11 years. We take great pride in being part of the younger generation, they each treat us with respect and love. My 26 year old eldest grandson came all the way from Leeds, quite a way from myself, to help me when my husband was in hospital.

I just feel so sad that there is so much ageism in the house this time, I genuinely feel sorry for their attitudes and I respect and love Gary for his wealth of knowledge, his understanding of the younger ones and his ability not to "bitch" and to moan about his treatment, he accepts it all as the learning curb which will give him a greater understanding of each of them. No matter what age we are, we learn........your Bampy wont be far from you.:wavey::elephant: Ya know, I love elephants, they supposedly never forget and our departed ones are never forgotten.

Such a beautiful post jules, my thoughts are with you and your hubby :hug:

[the truth]

Dee without a shadow of a doubt, she's very bombastic and tries to railroad gary in conversations, he tried very hard to understand and explain how her reasoning was wrong but she was not sensitive enough to realise how offensive she was being...
She might have well said 'you're old and past it gary get out!' all because he fell over, she fell over too iirc.

true and several came to her assistance, only audley helped gary at the time
funnily enough dee was heading for a task wiith gary, she fell , he didnt

[Tip]

I suspect it could quite easily be Gary specific rather than ageism per se, but we'll never know now.

He's a pain in the bum, and very entertaining because of it - but as he seems to bring out the worst in people he is playing a blinder.

[jet]

I suspect it could quite easily be Gary specific rather than ageism per se, but we'll never know now.

He's a pain in the bum, and very entertaining because of it - but as he seems to bring out the worst in people he is playing a blinder.

:clap1: That's it, exactly!

[kirklancaster]

Gary was definitely in the wrong, he got in her face first.. And the went on to mock and patronise her as they were having a conversation, he purposely wound her up and had a massive smile on his face as he did so, Dee had every right to get annoyed.. The 'smash his face in' comment wasn't necessary, but Gary was totally in the wrong.

At no time did any part of Gary's anatomy leave his own space in his chair. On the other hand, Truffle Pig leant over into Gary's space and virtually pushed her snout into his face. Then she prodded and poked with her grubby little trotters as she went completely OTT and grunted and squealed like a wild boar.

Whilst on the subject of Truffle Pig; I find it astonishing that she had the temerity to ever lecture Gary (or anyone for that matter) on hygiene - did you see her house/Sty on Benefit Street? The Truffle Pig is not a celebrity. She has no talent which could ever justify her being classified as a celebrity, and as far as her (and Duane Doberman George) being 'normal' and therefore worthy of the 'common man's' vote - she is definitely NOT normal. Normal people are not 2 faced, obsequious, sycophantic, manipulative, scheming, vindictive **** stirrers, and there are millions of honest, hard working, decent 'ordinary' people out there who are far more worthy of inclusion in the Celebrity Big Brother House and far more deserving of being made celebrities and receiving all the wealth, privileges, and benefits (no pun intended - oh-- OK then it was) that come with it. Get the Fat Pig out.

[Liam-]

At no time did any part of Gary's anatomy leave his own space in his chair. On the other hand, Truffle Pig leant over into Gary's space and virtually pushed her snout into his face. Then she prodded and poked with her grubby little trotters as she went completely OTT and grunted and squealed like a wild boar.

Whilst on the subject of Truffle Pig; I find it astonishing that she had the temerity to ever lecture Gary (or anyone for that matter) on hygiene - did you see her house/Sty on Benefit Street? The Truffle Pig is not a celebrity. She has no talent which could ever justify her being classified as a celebrity, and as far as her (and Duane Doberman George) being 'normal' and therefore worthy of the 'common man's' vote - she is definitely NOT normal. Normal people are not 2 faced, obsequious, sycophantic, manipulative, scheming, vindictive **** stirrers, and there are millions of honest, hard working, decent 'ordinary' people out there who are far more worthy of inclusion in the Celebrity Big Brother House and far more deserving of being made celebrities and receiving all the wealth, privileges, and benefits (no pun intended - oh-- OK then it was) that come with it. Get the Fat Pig out.

Okay my dear :pat: