Is Dee Stereotyping ....

[warrenhill]

People who are claiming benefits?

We all know that a fair amount of benefit claimants are having to claim to survive and that we can all understand.

But the vile way Dee has come across especially the last week is starting to show the other side of these claimants..

A lot who have NO intention of getting off benefits and lets be honest if they hadnt done the programme does anyone really think that Dee would have got off her arse and gone out looking for work?

I feel sorry for the people who really want to get back into work and cant to be labelled with a person so vile as Dee....:shocked:

[sampvt]

People who are claiming benefits?

We all know that a fair amount of benefit claimants are having to claim to survive and that we can all understand.

But the vile way Dee has come across especially the last week is starting to show the other side of these claimants..

A lot who have NO intention of getting off benefits and lets be honest if they hadnt done the programme does anyone really think that Dee would have got off her arse and gone out looking for work?

I feel sorry for the people who really want to get back into work and cant to be labelled with a person so vile as Dee....:shocked:

Dee didn't get of her arse and went looking for work. Work came to her because of her notoriety on benefits street. If the program never happened she would still be controlling that street and playing Isis. (BTW Isis was the first mother figure in Egyptian history some 2500 bc)

[Northern Monkey]

Well she's certainly not helping the benefits communities image.

[abhorson]

Nothing to do with benefits for me. She is just an everyday gossip.

[Marsh.]

Well I don't see what Dee's personality has to do with benefits claimants.

People are so quick to categorise and generalise.

[rusticgal]

What disgusts me is that she has made more money from being famous for claiming benefits than from people like my son who works all hours to earn a decent living...and still struggles.
It's just ALL WRONG!..

[rusticgal]

Well I don't see what Dee's personality has to do with benefits claimants.

People are so quick to categorise and generalise.


Personality...:joker:

My son has a great personality, caring, thoughtful....but he has morals to match. That's where I generalise...and there are many others out there like him.
That's why Dee will NEVER get my support.

[the truth]

shes vile and she is an example of one of the worst of those scroungers free loaders who feels entitled to free handouts. her obnoxious vile impatient ignorance sums her up. we know she stole from old people in real life, tonght for the umpteenth time she made a physical threat, this time to smash a old deaf brain damaged americans face in. revolting person

[Josy]

I don't think Dee is stereotyping? I think it's the viewers (or at least some of them) that are doing that..

[Marsh.]

Personality...:joker:

My son has a great personality, caring, thoughtful....but he has morals to match. That's where I generalise...and there are many others out there like him.
That's why Dee will NEVER get my support.

I never said you should support Dee. I thought the quote function was when you wanted to reply with something relevant?

[bots]

The point is that the vast majority of benefit claimants are genuine. They come from all walks of life and are perfectly entitled to whatever they receive.

A small proportion abuse the system, and she is one of those. Nothing to be proud of because they are taking money away from those that genuinely need it. I find it difficult to understand why she is being rewarded for that behaviour by anointing her with pseudo celebrity status.

I've seen nothing in this show that suggests to me she has any redeeming hidden qualities or reasons for cheating the way she did.

[kistar]

I never said you should support Dee. I thought the quote function was when you wanted to reply with something relevant?

Love it Marsh :joker:

[Marsh.]

Love it Marsh :joker:

:hehe:

[kistar]

What disgusts me is that she has made more money from being famous for claiming benefits than from people like my son who works all hours to earn a decent living...and still struggles.
It's just ALL WRONG!..

Maybe he's in the wrong job?

[the truth]

The point is that the vast majority of benefit claimants are genuine. They come from all walks of life and are perfectly entitled to whatever they receive.

A small proportion abuse the system, and she is one of those. Nothing to be proud of because they are taking money away from those that genuinely need it. I find it difficult to understand why she is being rewarded for that behaviour by anointing her with pseudo celebrity status.

I've seen nothing in this show that suggests to me she has any redeeming hidden qualities or reasons for cheating the way she did.

thats not true, do you have figures to back that up? I know loads of people who fiddle the system and have nowt wrong with them....although i agree about dee, shes a twat , a fake scronging thieving twat. who the media have deciede to make famous precisely because shes a fake scrounging thieving twat

[rusticgal]

I never said you should support Dee. I thought the quote function was when you wanted to reply with something relevant?


I did respond to your comments...my final comment was to say I would never support her based on my comment previous to that which was based on your quote...

[rusticgal]

Maybe he's in the wrong job?


He is in a job... I am proud of his work ethics unlike scum like Dee.

[rusticgal]

Maybe he's in the wrong job?


Maybe you should get in the real world...it's hard to earn a good living these days. However he has never taken the easy option like some...

[kistar]

He is in a job... I am proud of his work ethics unlike scum like Dee.

Love his work ethics too , if he was a single parent the state would provide for him until his children were 12 years old, so he could stay at home and be a great Dad .

[smudgie]

You get people like Dee who do work.
You get good people who don't work.
Dee did work before she helped herself to other peoples money, so perhaps it's not that straight forward and simple to call people who don't work scrounges.

[kistar]

Maybe you should get in the real world...it's hard to earn a good living these days. However he has never taken the easy option like some...

I've been on benefits , I now live in the real world have my own business drive a Merc and live in a gated community , I say again maybe he is in the wrong job.

[Marsh.]

I did respond to your comments...my final comment was to say I would never support her based on my comment previous to that which was based on your quote...

My quote had nothing to do with supporting Dee.

It was about her personality/whether she's a nice person or not has no bearing on her reasons for being on benefits or anyone else's.

[bots]

thats not true, do you have figures to back that up? I know loads of people who fiddle the system and have nowt wrong with them....although i agree about dee, shes a twat , a fake scronging thieving twat. who the media have deciede to make famous precisely because shes a fake scrounging thieving twat

Here are the publshed figures to back it up ...


Fraud and error 2013/14 preliminary estimates for all benefits
The preliminary estimate of total overpayments due to fraud and error across all benefits is
£3.3bn; this is 2.0% of the total benefit expenditure, which is estimated to be £163.9bn in 2013/14.

[rusticgal]

Love his work ethics too , if he was a single parent the state would provide for him until his children were 12 years old, so he could stay at home and be a great Dad .


I know many people at my workplace that are single parents..they work. They don't sit at home relying on handouts. It's all too easy for some... It's great that this country supports single parents etc...some just try hard to support themselves rather than take take take.
My son will pass those ethics on to his children...that's what being a good father/mother is. Laziness breeds laziness... If you watched BS two parents discouraged their daughter from taking a job because it paid more to get welfare. I had such respect for a 16 year old girl who went against their wishes to work and earn her own money for her own self esteem and pride.
It's nobody's fault but the government for installing this mentality...but my admiration goes out to my son and others who have the pride to earn a living and demonstrate good ethics to others and children.

[the truth]

Here are the publshed figures to back it up ...


Fraud and error 2013/14 preliminary estimates for all benefits
The preliminary estimate of total overpayments due to fraud and error across all benefits is
£3.3bn; this is 2.0% of the total benefit expenditure, which is estimated to be £163.9bn in 2013/14.


its like trying to guess how many illegal immigrants are here, no one knows
how on earth can they calculate this when theres so many millions getting away with it.....also the whole get a doctors note excusing you from work because youre depressed? yet many of the people i know claiming for that reason are out spending their benefits on booze

http://www.benefitfraud.org.uk/total-benefit-fraud/

as for dee she chose to sit on her backside when she should have worked plus there was the £13,000

[kistar]

I know many people at my workplace that are single parents..they work. They don't sit at home relying on handouts. It's all too easy for some... It's great that this country supports single parents etc...some just try hard to support themselves rather than take take take.
My son will pass those ethics on to his children...that's what being a good father/mother is. Laziness breeds laziness... If you watched BS two parents discouraged their daughter from taking a job because it paid more to get welfare. I had such respect for a 16 year old girl who went against their wishes to work and earn her own money for her own self esteem and pride.
It's nobody's fault but the government for installing this mentality...but my admiration goes out to my son and others who have the pride to earn a living and demonstrate good ethics to others and children.


So I sat at home and took handouts while I home schooled 2 children , if it wasn't for the benefit system I couldnt have done that, so where does that put me?
My children have friends in 5 bed exec housing land and also in benefit street and the greatest lesson I have ever taught them is dont judge people on where they live or what they look like.Great people come from all walks of life and circumstances period.

[the truth]

I know many people at my workplace that are single parents..they work. They don't sit at home relying on handouts. It's all too easy for some... It's great that this country supports single parents etc...some just try hard to support themselves rather than take take take.
My son will pass those ethics on to his children...that's what being a good father/mother is. Laziness breeds laziness... If you watched BS two parents discouraged their daughter from taking a job because it paid more to get welfare. I had such respect for a 16 year old girl who went against their wishes to work and earn her own money for her own self esteem and pride.
It's nobody's fault but the government for installing this mentality...but my admiration goes out to my son and others who have the pride to earn a living and demonstrate good ethics to others and children.

exactly, bring kids up in workless families is abuse in a different way. abuse of ambition , work ethic and aspiration

[the truth]

So I sat at home and took handouts while I home schooled 2 children , if it wasn't for the benefit system I couldnt have done that, so where does that put me?
My children have friends in 5 bec exec land and also in benefit street and the greatest lesson I have ever taught them is dont judge people on where they live or what they look like.Great people come from all walks of life and circumstances period.

yes yet a person like dee is more judgemental than a hollywood superstar so where does that fit in the great british class cliches?

[rusticgal]

I've been on benefits , I now live in the real world have my own business drive a Merc and live in a gated community , I say again maybe he is in the wrong job.

Well good for you...you of all people then shouldn't make stupid comments like 'he must be in the wrong job'...we all have to start somewhere. With his work ethic he will hopefully and deservedly be in your position one day. It's not all about 'having a Merc' and 'living in a gated community'...it's about pride and work ethic..so you really shouldn't mock.

[kistar]

yes yet a person like dee is more judgemental than a hollywood superstar so where does that fit in the great british class cliches?

My reply was to rusticgals post .

[the truth]

My reply was to rusticgals post .

my post was to you

[kistar]

Well good for you...you of all people then shouldn't make stupid comments like 'he must be in the wrong job'...we all have to start somewhere. With his work ethic he will hopefully and deservedly be in your position one day. It's not all about 'having a Merc' and 'living in a gated community'...it's about pride and work ethic..so you really shouldn't mock.

I wasn't mocking I was mearly suggesting if he is working all hours and still struggles to make ends meet something is wrong.

[rusticgal]

My reply was to rusticgals post .


It's a forum...not a private convo. If Truth supports my debate then he is free to do so.

Truth speaks the truth...:cheer2:

[Jules2]

yes yet a person like dee is more judgemental than a hollywood superstar so where does that fit in the great british class cliches?

It doesnt I am afraid, maybe deep down she is jealous? She certainly hates Gary and it will be shown more over the next few days I am sure. Her face just makes me cringe she looks as though she is in judgement of all things out of her reach. What I cannot understand is, how was she asked to go into CELEBRITY Big Brother! She is playing the martyr good and proper and whoever said that she befriended all to avoid nominations, was correct. I wonder if Gary will nominate her on Friday if he is still in? I dont think he will really tbh.

[rusticgal]

I wasn't mocking I was mearly suggesting if he is working all hours and still struggles to make ends meet something is wrong.


Are you in the real world?...it's really tough for youngsters today. Companies expect people to work for pennies!!!.. Why do you think so many youngsters are still living with mum and dad?...
Perhaps you don't see the world from your gated community.

[Jules2]

It's a forum...not a private convo. If Truth supports my debate then he is free to do so.

Truth speaks the truth...:cheer2:

Dont forget the U (you) in the centre of T R U T H, we are all our own truths because we all have our own feelings. :cheer2:

[Marsh.]

It's a forum...not a private convo. If Truth supports my debate then he is free to do so.

Truth speaks the truth...:cheer2:

Certainly speaks something and it rhymes with pit.

[the truth]

Certainly speaks something and it rhymes with pit.

duly reported:nono:

[kistar]

my post was to you

I know but it's a 3 way conversation , rusticgal says that in her opinion great work ethics are a good example to set for your children , I reply with in my opinion teaching children to not judge based on circumstances is important and you reply with Dee is the most judgemental of them all ....

I'm not saying Dee is perfect Im not saying I even like her however calling her scum just because she was on benefits is ridiculous.

[Marsh.]

duly reported:nono:

Love you too babe.

[the truth]

I know but it's a 3 way conversation , rusticgal says that in her opinion great work ethics are a good example to set for your children , I reply with in my opinion teaching children to not judge based on circumstances is important and you reply with Dee is the most judgemental of them all ....

I'm not saying Dee is perfect Im not saying I even like her however calling her scum just because she was on benefits is ridiculous.

no said shes scum just because shes on benefits, why are you exxagerrating other peoples points....shes scum for a multitude of reasons, shes a bully, shes ageist, possibly sexist, lazy, workshy, a thief, shes abusive, shes threatening violence on people including a deaf old man, shes also in a celebrity show yet shes not a celebrity, shes only famous because she chose to be a lazy chain smoking lard ass on tv

[Marsh.]

possibly sexist

So true. I reckon she hates men, the fat dyke.

[kistar]

Are you in the real world?...it's really tough for youngsters today. Companies expect people to work for pennies!!!.. Why do you think so many youngsters are still living with mum and dad?...
Perhaps you don't see the world from your gated community.

I've been on benefits remember , I worked very hard and stil do so yes I know exactly what its like in the real world. If he wants career advice I charge £100 an hour.

[Marsh.]

Did she just diss your gates! :fist:

[kistar]

Did she just diss your gates! :fist:

I know how ...... Gate ist !love my gates :dance:

[Liam-]

Did she just diss your gates! :fist:

You're such a stirrer, I love it :laugh:

[kistar]

no said shes scum just because shes on benefits, why are you exxagerrating other peoples points....shes scum for a multitude of reasons, shes a bully, shes ageist, possibly sexist, lazy, workshy, a thief, shes abusive, shes threatening violence on people including a deaf old man, shes also in a celebrity show yet shes not a celebrity, shes only famous because she chose to be a lazy chain smoking lard ass on tv

I think we both know she has been referred to as scum , I don't need to exaggerate anyone's points they generally do it themselves .. see above

[kistar]

You're such a stirrer, I love it :laugh:

:joker:

[Marsh.]

:hehe:

[kistar]

:hehe:

Smashed it , high five !

[Marsh.]

:dance2:

[the truth]

So true. I reckon she hates men, the fat dyke.

she is a horror of a human being but i dont ever use words like dyke.

[Marsh.]

she is a horror of a human being but i dont ever use words like dyke.

Carpet cruncher?

[kistar]

Carpet cruncher?

Muff Diver?

[the truth]

lesbianism is a good thing , live and let live marsh

[Marsh.]

Jesus says it is wrong. :nono:

[the truth]

Jesus says it is wrong. :nono:

no he really doesnt? with your extensive collection, im surprised youre so anti lesbian?

[Marsh.]

I collect lesbians? :umm2:

[kistar]

no he really doesnt? with your extensive collection, im surprised youre so anti lesbian?

Maybe Marsh is a closet lesbian ?

[Marsh.]

I'm done with front bums. :hmph: Too much work.

[CaudleHalbard]

I bet a fair few on here are on benefits of some sort! ;)

[Vicky.]

The damage to people on benefits has already been done what with IDS going on about 'your neighbours closed curtains on a morning' (slagging night workers off at the same time...) and the mail/right wing rags constantly on about benefits.

Dee wont make a difference.

[Vicky.]

I dont think shes sterotyping either tbh.just some viewers who already have a problem with the benefit system will jump on her as an example...people dont say (for example) that James is stereotyping dancers by being a bitch

[Liam-]

Muff Diver?

Clam catcher?

[Liam-]

But in response to the OP.. no i don't think Dee is stereotyping, if anything she is the victim of a harsh and widespread stereotype, given to people on benefits by people who have never had to experience life on benefits.
If you have never walked a day in the life of someone who has had to claim benefits for whatever reason, then your right to judge should be reserved until the day you have to do the same thing.

[Tip]

I would think that most people would have guessed in advance that there would be the typical "anti benefits claimers" response to Dee when we heard she was going in.

Add to that the typical "anti fat" comments and some people have responded pretty predictably.

If you don't like her as a person, fair enough.

We all have our pet hates / high horses - so maybe we all fall foul of this type of thing occasionally. Unfortunately the vitriol generalises to possibly affect a lot of other people who really should not be subject to this treatment.

[rusticgal]

Smashed it , high five !


...smashed what?? :shrug:

[kistar]

...smashed what?? :shrug:

We smashed a muff we were diving for.

[kistar]

Clam catcher?

I like that , clams are good.

[kistar]

...smashed what?? :shrug:

By the way rusticgal my point in all this is don't always believe what you are given , Dee was on benefits , the programme you saw captured an hour of footage over what period of time I have no idea, when she was being interviewed she would of-course be sitting down drinking coffee, the programme was about people on benefits ,had she done any voluntary work I doubt we would have seen it.

I told you I drove a Merc I lived in a gated community , that could easily be a prison, there are big gates you live in a community, I could be driving the prison laundry van which happens to be a Merc , I have my own business , could be selling drugs inside the prison , I work very hard, in prisons you get assigned jobs mine could be sweeping corridors.I tell you stuff you make assumptions but they are not always right.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I had to claim benefits when I lived in supported housing at 16 (sorry to get all deep) but even at that age the £45 a fortnight I was given was pittance, I wanted work and to earn money to buy stuff and have independence not sit on my arse in some house full of drop outs.

The kicker is with the system the government had in place was if I came off benefits I would be kicked out as only people on benefits were entitled to a home when being booted to the curb.

Anyway back to Dee I get the impression Dee had no intention of ever getting a job, she was happy being street mama and not really going anywhere with her life. What satisfaction do people get from living on a budget with no prospects? I experienced it for 8 months and was going loopy with boredom.

Its a sad life.