We know the housemates lie about Gary.

[ThriceShy]

There has been a lot of talk tonight about how these things we hear about Gary must be true and the housemates wouldn't be lying.

But we know that housemates have lied about Gary. We saw Dee with our own eyes on the live feed go out in the garden and start a confrontation with Gary and then go into the rest of the house and claim that gary "cornered" her.

Why should we believe a word they say unless we are shown it in the highlights show?

[Pincho Paxton]

There has been a lot of talk tonight about how these things we hear about Gary must be true and the housemates wouldn't be lying.

But we know that housemates have lied about Gary. We saw Dee with our own eyes on the live feed go out in the garden and start a confrontation with Gary and then go into the rest of the house and claim that gary "cornered" her.

Why should we believe a word they say unless we are shown it in the highlights show?

We saw James saying that Gary interrupted him, and Gary only heard his name mentioned. So that was a lie too.

[Jords]

exaggerate

[Jules2]

I saw the LF and it was edited to put the rest of the house in a good light. It is obvious that anyone coming out now will have to run him down as they have to build up their own defence. It wont matter whether it is truth or not. Neither Stephanie or Kellie have room to talk. They are just carrying on outside as they did inside. Their words meant nothing.

[jessicadanielle]

It does seem like they spend a lot of time talking about all of his faults, which is likely to be quite contagious to housemates who don't even have a personal problem with Gary. Edele even said, when she was outraged at being nommed, that every other conversation she hears is bitching about Gary. It's like they've developed a Gary-hate culture in there where they twist everything to fit in with their own sh*tty Gary-hate storyline, like Dee with the "cornering" thing.

I don't think their opinions are based on nothing though - I'm sure Gary is rude and unhygienic at times and in some ways, we've seen some instances, and it's not a coincidence that so many hms report rudeness and poor hygiene. However, I do think their opinion is skewed by the fact that so many hms keep talking about it, probably making it seem worse than it is, especially when the housemates who dislike Gary (James in the past, Stephanie, George, Dee) are much more vocal about his flaws than Gary is in his own defence.

[jet]

We see what BB want us to see. Take the incident in the bedroom with Gary and James. How do we know that Gary hadn't been interrupting people all day previous to that, and they had just asked him again and again not to do it, and it was the straw that broke the camel's back though it seemed innocent but it was really Gary winding him up? We don't.
Equally, it could have just happened as we saw it, but because James reacted so strongly, it is doubtful. But we just don't know.
I've always seen Gary as somewhat manipulative and a wind - up, and that's why he is such a good HM, which is why he should win, not because he is pitied. :shrug:

[cfromhx02]

It is very clear what Gary is like.I've seen it with my own eyes several times, it doesn't need the housemates lying to me when they come out for me to see it.

I've seen Gary be clearly nasty and abusive several times, seen him stare nastily and heard him say some very nasty things himself.

And Gary has clearly maipulated some conversations and often wins arguments and the underhand threat to Dee saying " It's nomination time again"

these things imply intelligence and certainly do not appear to come from some one who is brain damaged.

It has already been shown clearly on 2 or 3 occasions how rude and nasty Gary is.

1. When Gary stared across at Stephanie like a stalker with a scary stare while she was under the covers trying her best to hide from him and have some privacy.

2. When he said to George "No way, buddie" and showed he has no tolerance towards others human mistakes

3. When he told Dee "It's nomination time again soon," or words to that effect which was an obvious threat, and clearly not the action or thought pattern, far too clever and a sneaky under hand threat for some one who is too brain damaged.

[CaudleHalbard]

Gary is an unpleasant man acting the part of a sweet spiritual soul. He is fooling a large part of the gullible public.

He hasn't fooled me for one moment.

[jessicadanielle]

It is very clear what Gary is like.I've seen it with my own eyes several times, it doesn't need the housemates lying to me when they come out for me to see it.

I've seen Gary be clearly nasty and abusive several times, seen him stare nastily and heard him say some very nasty things himself.

And Gary has clearly maipulated some conversations and often wins arguments and the underhand threat to Dee saying " It's nomination time again"

these things imply intelligence and certainly do not appear to come from some one who is brain damaged.

It has already been shown clearly on 2 or 3 occasions how rude and nasty Gary is.

1. When Gary stared across at Stephanie like a stalker with a scary stare while she was under the covers trying her best to hide from him and have some privacy.

2. When he said to George "No way, buddie" and showed he has no tolerance towards others human mistakes

3. When he told Dee "It's nomination time again soon," or words to that effect which was an obvious threat, and clearly not the action or thought pattern, far too clever and a sneaky under hand threat for some one who is too brain damaged.

Lol what does that even mean? You can't be intelligent at all if you have any sort of brain damage? There is a difference between brain damaged and brain dead...

[ThriceShy]

It does seem like they spend a lot of time talking about all of his faults, which is likely to be quite contagious to housemates who don't even have a personal problem with Gary. Edele even said, when she was outraged at being nommed, that every other conversation she hears is bitching about Gary. It's like they've developed a Gary-hate culture in there where they twist everything to fit in with their own sh*tty Gary-hate storyline, like Dee with the "cornering" thing.

I don't think their opinions are based on nothing though - I'm sure Gary is rude and unhygienic at times and in some ways, we've seen some instances, and it's not a coincidence that so many hms report rudeness and poor hygiene. However, I do think their opinion is skewed by the fact that so many hms keep talking about it, probably making it seem worse than it is, especially when the housemates who dislike Gary (James in the past, Stephanie, George, Dee) are much more vocal about his flaws than Gary is in his own defence.

The double standards show that Gary isn't the problem.

When gary asks people why they nominated him then they all slate him for it. But when Edele does it then it is fine. When gary doesn't shower then it is the worst thing imaginable but whe Lauren pees in the pool the housemates all laugh and think it is great.

So their dislike of Gary is something else. I think they are jealous that he is the biggest star.

Stephanie said tonight that she knows people would love watching gary. They all knew it when they walked in and they felt threatened.

[jessicadanielle]

The double standards show that Gary isn't the problem.

When gary asks people why they nominated him then they all slate him for it. But when Edele does it then it is fine. When gary doesn't shower then it is the worst thing imaginable but whe Lauren pees in the pool the housemates all laugh and think it is great.

So their dislike of Gary is something else. I think they are jealous that he is the biggest star.

Stephanie said tonight that she knows people would love watching gary. They all knew it when they walked in and they felt threatened.

Yeah I agree with most of this (apart from the jealousy thing, I'm not sure about that) which is what I meant about the Gary-hate culture - whatever Gary does, it is twisted to Gary being rude/unhygienic. And when he is neither rude nor unhygienic (e.g. When he was cleaning plates and wiping the kitchen tops because people had complained about it), he was mocked for it.

But, Gary isn't some faultless angel. It's just that some housemates seem more willing to look past other people's faults, and more intent to focus on Gary's.

[Jules2]

Remember when Leslie first came out, in his interview with Emma, he said he had to apologise to Gary's family for the way he treated him. I was very pleased with that and admired him for it but, he soon changed his tune when he realised that the public were against the way Gary had been treated, he began to defend himself.

He saw Gary as his rival and tried to degrade him with the tasks and that, he lost one of the food tasks because he had a personal vendetta against G. Ask youself though, why did he say publicly he had to apologise to Gary's family?

Then we have the idiot James trying to educate Gary but in what way was he doing it, he earnt himself the name of Bully. Then along comes Stephanie with the face to face nominations and Ricci telling him that he wouldnt want Gary as an example for his children.

Now we have dear mama Dee, shes suddenly realises that Gary may win and so let us stir the pot. Gary hasnt bitten he has apologised, he has tried to better himself. He was told in the begnning that the HMs hated him, mmm, now I am sure that if his behaviour has been other than that which we have seen, it would have been shown over and over again. Just imagine though sitting in there knowing that all the HMs hated him, they proved it by nominating him each time. Same old stories....

They will all relate a tale to defend their actions whether it be truth or not, we will never really know but in the meantime I will continue voting for Gary to win.

[cfromhx02]

There has been a lot of talk tonight about how these things we hear about Gary must be true and the housemates wouldn't be lying.

But we know that housemates have lied about Gary. We saw Dee with our own eyes on the live feed go out in the garden and start a confrontation with Gary and then go into the rest of the house and claim that gary "cornered" her.

Why should we believe a word they say unless we are shown it in the highlights show?

Maybe, but did Dee force Gary to say "It's nomination time again soon" as she was leaving ?

Did anyone force him to say " No way buddie" to George when he showed he would not show tolernace to others mistakes ?

Did anyone force him to sit on the ned of the bed and stare like a stalker at Stephanie while she was hiding trying to get some privacu under the covers ?

Did anyone force him keep bumping into others and always blaming them for it ?

Did anyone force him, to always blame anyone else including the classic LMAO he even said it's because English People Are Too Sensitive

& yet so many English still support him ?

The Guy is a Pig, many people who are 70 plus and who have hearing problems show far more manners and compassion to others than Gary does,with his nasty stares, his BS about being loving

& his I will not tolerate others mistakes attitude yet expects everyone to tolerate mine while he always shifts blame

& blames others including all English because they are too sensitive, and stupidly they still support him.

Gary obviously has manipulated things and plays the cameras when he's on his own in the garden,

so quit the BS about he's backed because he is nice,& the way he plays situations is no sign of brain damage.

[ThriceShy]

Maybe, but did Dee force Gary to say "It's nomination time again soon" as she was leaving ?

Did anyone force him to say " No way buddie" to George when he showed he would not show tolernace to others mistakes ?

Did anyone force him to sit on the ned of the bed and stare like a stalker at Stephanie while she was hiding trying to get some privacu under the covers ?

Did anyone force him keep bumping into others and always blaming them for it ?

Did anyone force him, to always blame anyone else including the classic LMAO he even said it's because English People Are Too Sensitive

& yet so many English still support him ?

The Guy is a Pig, many people who are 70 plus and who have hearing problems show far more manners and compassion to others than Gary does,with his nasty stares, his BS about being loving

& his I will not tolerate others mistakes attitude yet expects everyone to tolerate mine while he always shifts blame

& blames others including all English because they are too sensitive, and stupidly they still support him.

Gary obviously has manipulated things and plays the cameras when he's on his own in the garden,

so quit the BS about he's backed because he is nice,& the way he plays situations is no sign of brain damage.

What's the ned of the bed?

[Jules2]

It is very clear what Gary is like.I've seen it with my own eyes several times, it doesn't need the housemates lying to me when they come out for me to see it.

I've seen Gary be clearly nasty and abusive several times, seen him stare nastily and heard him say some very nasty things himself.

And Gary has clearly maipulated some conversations and often wins arguments and the underhand threat to Dee saying " It's nomination time again"

these things imply intelligence and certainly do not appear to come from some one who is brain damaged.

It has already been shown clearly on 2 or 3 occasions how rude and nasty Gary is.

1. When Gary stared across at Stephanie like a stalker with a scary stare while she was under the covers trying her best to hide from him and have some privacy.

2. When he said to George "No way, buddie" and showed he has no tolerance towards others human mistakes

3. When he told Dee "It's nomination time again soon," or words to that effect which was an obvious threat, and clearly not the action or thought pattern, far too clever and a sneaky under hand threat for some one who is too brain damaged.

When ever have we seen him say anything nasty about any of them. The staring is because he is trying to"listen" or "read" what is being said. Gary was not threatening Dee what he was telling her was that she would nominate him again and it is true. It may be her downfall though as she read it wrongly and she gave him permission to nominate him. She then went back inside and gave her part of the story, Gary just eventually went to bed and told noone.

No way buddie, he was standing up for his part of the conversation surely he can do that or should he just stay stum!! Do the others stay stum, they fight like the devil. Gosh do we have to analyse everything which is said....ok then who is the biggest........whatever!!

[jaxie]

Maybe, but did Dee force Gary to say "It's nomination time again soon" as she was leaving ?

Did anyone force him to say " No way buddie" to George when he showed he would not show tolernace to others mistakes ?

Did anyone force him to sit on the ned of the bed and stare like a stalker at Stephanie while she was hiding trying to get some privacu under the covers ?

Did anyone force him keep bumping into others and always blaming them for it ?

Did anyone force him, to always blame anyone else including the classic LMAO he even said it's because English People Are Too Sensitive

& yet so many English still support him ?

The Guy is a Pig, many people who are 70 plus and who have hearing problems show far more manners and compassion to others than Gary does,with his nasty stares, his BS about being loving

& his I will not tolerate others mistakes attitude yet expects everyone to tolerate mine while he always shifts blame

& blames others including all English because they are too sensitive, and stupidly they still support him.

Gary obviously has manipulated things and plays the cameras when he's on his own in the garden,

so quit the BS about he's backed because he is nice,& the way he plays situations is no sign of brain damage.

Did Gary force Dee to call him sly? Is he not entitled to stand up for himself?

Did Gary force George to say he didn't think he would be going into an old peoples home?

Did anyone force a drunken Lauren to fall onto Gary's bed when he was asleep and wake him up.

Did anyone force Ricci to get into bed with Gary when he was asleep for ****s and giggles the first week in?

He has a false eye so he probably can't see anyone he is staring at. Yeah I guess that makes him a terrible person too right?

Get a clue.

[CaudleHalbard]

If Gary is sly and manipulative, as evictees seem to say, then it is more subtle than being 'in yer face' rude or nasty.

Mind you they do say he is rude as well. Lol!

[jaxie]

If Gary is sly and manipulative, as evictees seem to say, then it is more subtle than being 'in yer face' rude or nasty.

Mind you they do say he is rude as well. Lol!

Gary could be Satan and that still doesn't condone the behaviour we see from them towards him.

[booboomartin]

It is very clear what Gary is like.I've seen it with my own eyes several times, it doesn't need the housemates lying to me when they come out for me to see it.

I've seen Gary be clearly nasty and abusive several times, seen him stare nastily and heard him say some very nasty things himself.

And Gary has clearly maipulated some conversations and often wins arguments and the underhand threat to Dee saying " It's nomination time again"

these things imply intelligence and certainly do not appear to come from some one who is brain damaged.

It has already been shown clearly on 2 or 3 occasions how rude and nasty Gary is.

1. When Gary stared across at Stephanie like a stalker with a scary stare while she was under the covers trying her best to hide from him and have some privacy.

2. When he said to George "No way, buddie" and showed he has no tolerance towards others human mistakes

3. When he told Dee "It's nomination time again soon," or words to that effect which was an obvious threat, and clearly not the action or thought pattern, far too clever and a sneaky under hand threat for some one who is too brain damaged.

if you believe that gary is rude and nasty, then you must think that some of the other housemates are primitive, uneducated, and spiteful, and I'm being polite.
1. if you think gary has a scary stare, then George's must be terrifying, and Stephanie does not appear to be scared by him. gary cannot help the way he looks, much of which, was caused by surgery he has had. the time I saw Stephanie hide under the pillow it was not for privacy, she was sniggering at james 'having a go' at gary. like a stalker, with a scary stare, grow up.

2. to say he has no tolerance to other peoples mistakes. that's all gary has shown these so called humans since he has been there. saying 'no way buddie', was his way of saying he did not agree with George. surely gary is entitled to say that he does not agree about something. at least he is polite, more than can be said for some of the other housemates.

3. if he did say to dee 'its nomination time again soon' how can that be seen as a threat. dee was having a go, gary could have been reminding her about nominations, so she could nominate him again as usual. I don't know, neither do you, so don't assume, and unless you are a neuro surgeon, you should not make sweeping statements about someones ability to function properly following brain surgery. :nono::nono:

[colin72]

It has already been shown clearly on 2 or 3 occasions how rude and nasty Gary is.

1. When Gary stared across at Stephanie like a stalker with a scary stare while she was under the covers trying her best to hide from him and have some privacy.

2. When he said to George "No way, buddie" and showed he has no tolerance towards others human mistakes

3. When he told Dee "It's nomination time again soon," or words to that effect which was an obvious threat, and clearly not the action or thought pattern, far too clever and a sneaky under hand threat for some one who is too brain damaged.

Sorry, but you're hilarious.

You claim Gary is so rude and nasty... and yet even though they've been in the house for nearly 3 weeks, you can only cite "2 or 3 occasions". Do you realize how ridiculous that is?

Other people have already replied directly to your pathetic examples of Gary "being horrible" and shown how ridiculous you are being so I won't bother.

[Kazanne]

There has been a lot of talk tonight about how these things we hear about Gary must be true and the housemates wouldn't be lying.

But we know that housemates have lied about Gary. We saw Dee with our own eyes on the live feed go out in the garden and start a confrontation with Gary and then go into the rest of the house and claim that gary "cornered" her.

Why should we believe a word they say unless we are shown it in the highlights show?

Of course they do,they don't like him as he is their biggest threat to win,he is streets ahead in his career,he is smarter and calmer than they will ever be,plus he's getting paid more,so yes they are seething and lie to discredit him,but,lol it's not working:hehe:Gary to win.

[Tip]

I don't know that they lie. They may exaggerate to get across how strongly they feel, or it may actually be that they perceive things in a certain way.

We can see how people perceive things to be completely the opposite way from others often enough on these forums - doesn't mean anyone is lying.

I do think it's possible that Dee feels cornered when Gary starts questioning her reasons for nominating him, I think she does feel a bit threatened by him (psychologically) when he is out to "persuade" her that she is wrong.

A similar explanation could be applied to the "interruption" thing when people were already frustrated by having to stop their conversations with others to converse with Gary. It could all be in the perception.

[karezza]

:yuk:Poo on his hands and pees everywhere

[jet]

I don't know that they lie. They may exaggerate to get across how strongly they feel, or it may actually be that they perceive things in a certain way.

We can see how people perceive things to be completely the opposite way from others often enough on these forums - doesn't mean anyone is lying.

I do think it's possible that Dee feels cornered when Gary starts questioning her reasons for nominating him, I think she does feel a bit threatened by him (psychologically) when he is out to "persuade" her that she is wrong.

A similar explanation could be applied to the "interruption" thing when people were already frustrated by having to stop their conversations with others to converse with Gary. It could all be in the perception.

I agree with this. The HM's could definitely be kinder and more patient with Gary, but the fact that they aren't doesn't mean we should always make excuses for him or see him as always in the right. It can't be that pleasant for him in there, but I believe he knows what he's doing. He's playing the game and playing it well imo.

[Vicky.]

They do tend to exaggerate a lot from what we have seen. I do think he would be horrific to live with tbh, especially in that environment.

[Babayaro.]

It is very clear what Gary is like.I've seen it with my own eyes several times, it doesn't need the housemates lying to me when they come out for me to see it.

I've seen Gary be clearly nasty and abusive several times, seen him stare nastily and heard him say some very nasty things himself.

And Gary has clearly maipulated some conversations and often wins arguments and the underhand threat to Dee saying " It's nomination time again"

these things imply intelligence and certainly do not appear to come from some one who is brain damaged.

It has already been shown clearly on 2 or 3 occasions how rude and nasty Gary is.

1. When Gary stared across at Stephanie like a stalker with a scary stare while she was under the covers trying her best to hide from him and have some privacy.

2. When he said to George "No way, buddie" and showed he has no tolerance towards others human mistakes

3. When he told Dee "It's nomination time again soon," or words to that effect which was an obvious threat, and clearly not the action or thought pattern, far too clever and a sneaky under hand threat for some one who is too brain damaged.
:facepalm:

[jaxie]

I agree with this. The HM's could definitely be kinder and more patient with Gary, but the fact that they aren't doesn't mean we should always make excuses for him or see him as always in the right. It can't be that pleasant for him in there, but I believe he knows what he's doing. He's playing the game and playing it well imo.
No one is saying he is always right. Similarly no one can point at any clear evidence of any wrong doing. A lot of what he says for instance is clearly misinterpreted and misquoted by other housemates. If he talks to dee in the garden when they are both seated nearby she represents that as 'being cornered by him.' I think they are projecting a lot of their own rudeness onto him. Even Edele who is one of the quieter housemates was quite put out because she couldn't understand how she could possibly get as many nominations as Gary as if he is some kind of lesser being. Its like the lord of the flies in there and its disturbing to watch.

[the truth]

There has been a lot of talk tonight about how these things we hear about Gary must be true and the housemates wouldn't be lying.

But we know that housemates have lied about Gary. We saw Dee with our own eyes on the live feed go out in the garden and start a confrontation with Gary and then go into the rest of the house and claim that gary "cornered" her.

Why should we believe a word they say unless we are shown it in the highlights show?

theyre bullies and pathological bigoted liars.....lauren lied about him bumping her, she actually jumped in his bed drunk? noddy (p ricci) lied when he said gary had been rude to lauren (same incident same lie) james lies every second of his life, dee lies all the time, as we know from the £13000, edele is a sheep who follows the crowd....audley is allright

[the truth]

No one is saying he is always right. Similarly no one can point at any clear evidence of any wrong doing. A lot of what he says for instance is clearly misinterpreted and misquoted by other housemates. If he talks to dee in the garden when they are both seated nearby she represents that as 'being cornered by him.' I think they are projecting a lot of their own rudeness onto him. Even Edele who is one of the quieter housemates was quite put out because she couldn't understand how she could possibly get as many nominations as Gary as if he is some kind of lesser being. Its like the lord of the flies in there and its disturbing to watch.

agreed. its the worst bullying in BB history...100 times worse even than denise welsh bullying michael madsen, shilpa being bullied or even dirk benedict being bullied and laughed at because of his cancer causing impotence and his previous drinking problem etc we english are horrible people, thank God I left the country

[Liam-]

agreed. its the worst bullying in BB history...100 times worse even than denise welsh bullying michael madsen, shilpa being bullied or even dirk benedict being bullied and laughed at because of his cancer causing impotence and his previous drinking problem etc we english are horrible people, thank God I left the country

I'm pretty sure that Shilpa being bullied was much worse than this apparent 'bullying'

[the truth]

I'm pretty sure that Shilpa being bullied was much worse than this apparent 'bullying'

no youre not and it was not. youre simply saying that to sound caring....and failing in the process. was shilpa half deaf, 70 years old, braind damaged? erm no. Do you even know what that pitiful shilpa argument was about?

[Suze]

I'm pretty sure that Shilpa being bullied was much worse than this apparent 'bullying'

Shilpa has nothing to do with this, however, as you have brought that up. BB intervened there with her, she also had three blokes helping her deal, Dirk, who himself was getting grief, Jerome and Ian. Also that was a different channel, and they dealt with that in their own way, doesn't mean it makes Gary being bullied any the less. I expect Ofcom have had as many if not more complaints re this BB.

[Liam-]

no youre not and it was not. youre simply saying that to sound caring....and failing in the process. was shilpa half deaf, 70 years old, braind damaged? erm no. Do you even know what that pitiful shilpa argument was about?

:joker: i don't care about sounding caring, i'm not here to impress people.. There were more than one argument involving Shilpa, she was constantly abused and mocked for her religion, for her ethnicity and for her background, that in my eyes, is much worse than saying someone is unhygienic and lazy when its clear to see that they are.

[Jules2]

We see what BB want us to see. Take the incident in the bedroom with Gary and James. How do we know that Gary hadn't been interrupting people all day previous to that, and they had just asked him again and again not to do it, and it was the straw that broke the camel's back though it seemed innocent but it was really Gary winding him up? We don't.
Equally, it could have just happened as we saw it, but because James reacted so strongly, it is doubtful. But we just don't know.
I've always seen Gary as somewhat manipulative and a wind - up, and that's why he is such a good HM, which is why he should win, not because he is pitied. :shrug:

Oh I agree definitely not pitied, Gary is his own person and he has each one of their numbers. He knows them inside out even though he is passive, they have mistakenly taken him for a fool and thus have made him their scapegoat. It only takes one to chitter chatter and then another to join in. Then we have the group bickering because in all intents and purposes they have to consider nominations! Best to stay in the sheep pen and blow the one solitary soul on the outside who tried his best to get the fact of why his name was mentioned. Not unreasonable but Sir Knight in Rusty Armour had to have his say, he had to play up to the cameras, hey look at me I am so clever I am putting the "old fool" in his place. Idiot!!!

I wonder if they will show all of the task tonight, Gary had the chair and he surely used it, well done lad. Mind you it didnt make a bit of difference James is still the idiot he has portrayed all along.

[Liam-]

Shilpa has nothing to do with this, however, as you have brought that up. BB intervened there with her, she also had three blokes helping her deal, Dirk, who himself was getting grief, Jerome and Ian. Also that was a different channel, and they dealt with that in their own way, doesn't mean it makes Gary being bullied any the less. I expect Ofcom have had as many if not more complaints re this BB.

I didn't bring Shilpa up, Truth did, please get your facts right before coming at me, please and thank you.

[Suze]

:joker: i don't care about sounding caring, i'm not here to impress people.. There were more than one argument involving Shilpa, she was constantly abused and mocked for her religion, for her ethnicity and for her background, that in my eyes, is much worse than saying someone is unhygienic and lazy when its clear to see that they are.

Do you have 'examples' of this please? Apart from hearsay from disgruntled and nasty housemates and ex housemates.

[Suze]

I didn't bring Shilpa up, Truth did, please get your facts right before coming at me, please and thank you.

I haven't come at you at all. And yes Truth did bring Shilpa into it, However I was replying to your post bringing it up not bring Shilpa into it, and not who mentioned Shilpa first. Reread my post and you will see that for yourself.

[Jules2]

:yuk:Poo on his hands and pees everywhere

What I say to that is prove it!! We only have the words of one idiotic person who was so far up her own thoughts, nasty and bitter. One who took and used a younger scruffy looking HM to be her crutch for the series. Whilst we are at it prove that Lauren peed in the pool and George drank the water, ah I think they owned up to it didnt they. Also prove that no one else has peed on the floor etc. etc. etc. Prove that they all wash their hands, I have very little faith in many men as this is one of their worst failures. Of course it was Gary no one else would dare do such a thing. Past series have been full of young HMs doing absolutely dreadful disgusting things, are you going to tell me that this lot are any different? Nah, I dont believe it.....

[Jules2]

We cannot know anything for certain, but we can collate all that we see unfolding before our eyes and ears, then formulate an opinion based on the preponderance of evidence and the balance of probabilities. Therefore, I can only educe that the HM's in question are not reliable witnesses - being proven liars - and that their allegations against Gary are not substantiated by the material evidence.

I love your words, neither for or against... I think the majority have made up their minds from the beginning one way or another. It has been said over and over again and all we are doing is eating too many onions and repeating ourselves :cheer2:

Those who are loyal to Gary will stand by him no matter what, recognising the fact that he definitely has faults but also realising that the HMs words cannot and should not be taken as fact.

As they leave the house they have to look after themselves and their futures so they will elaborate to try and make themselves look good. Make out that they shouldnt have any conscience, their actions were justified but why doesnt someone answer me.........why was he not allowed to sit around the pool when Leslie declared it as his!!! Why was he told by the others that he shouldnt be there. There are so many whys that tbh I will be glad when it is all over. Why were James and Stephanie so close that they declared that Gary and Frenchy should be in a dog cage so much to take in...............:sleep::sleep:

[Jules2]

Shilpa has nothing to do with this, however, as you have brought that up. BB intervened there with her, she also had three blokes helping her deal, Dirk, who himself was getting grief, Jerome and Ian. Also that was a different channel, and they dealt with that in their own way, doesn't mean it makes Gary being bullied any the less. I expect Ofcom have had as many if not more complaints re this BB.

Tbh Suze and all, I couldnt stand either Shilpa or Jade in that one, I thought Shilpa gave as good as she got. Jade along with the other two were vile. I was disappointed that Shilpa won and I thought it was all for the wrong reasons.

With Shilpa she definitely stood up for herself but Gary doesnt, for some reason, this may be part of his gameplan who knows but whatever he has played a good game and imo he definitely deserves to win. Each one in there has an agenda. Dee and Adele both look quite miserable why did they go in and what have they had to prove. Ricci (who) ? Audley, love him, Lauren well she loves the pool, drink and boobs, what is she trying to prove? James arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh, George time for him to find another settee so with the exception of Gary and Audley they just do nothing for me.

I have no doubt that Ofcom have had plenty of complaints as it has been so apparent, it is the ageism which has got to me as well. Having said that though I am sure Gary will come out unscathed as he has had such an interesting life and he now has his innerself to fall back on. Something which is so great that good reason can be found for everything.

[Suze]

Tbh Suze and all, I couldnt stand either Shilpa or Jade in that one, I thought Shilpa gave as good as she got. Jade along with the other two were vile. I was disappointed that Shilpa won and I thought it was all for the wrong reasons.

With Shilpa she definitely stood up for herself but Gary doesnt, for some reason, this may be part of his gameplan who knows but whatever he has played a good game and imo he definitely deserves to win. Each one in there has an agenda. Dee and Adele both look quite miserable why did they go in and what have they had to prove. Ricci (who) ? Audley, love him, Lauren well she loves the pool, drink and boobs, what is she trying to prove? James arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh, George time for him to find another settee so with the exception of Gary and Audley they just do nothing for me.

I have no doubt that Ofcom have had plenty of complaints as it has been so apparent, it is the ageism which has got to me as well. Having said that though I am sure Gary will come out unscathed as he has had such an interesting life and he now has his innerself to fall back on. Something which is so great that good reason can be found for everything.

I absolutely agree with you about Shilpa. Plus the fact after she won through sympathy, she forgave Jade far too readily, very suss imho, Shilpa played a good game, even though I didn't really like her in that BB.

Gary will be ok and see how loved he is when he is out that house. A priest will probably need to go in there after the rest have left to cleanse it of the evil :D ;)

[smileymummy]

It is very clear what Gary is like.I've seen it with my own eyes several times, it doesn't need the housemates lying to me when they come out for me to see it.

I've seen Gary be clearly nasty and abusive several times, seen him stare nastily and heard him say some very nasty things himself.

And Gary has clearly maipulated some conversations and often wins arguments and the underhand threat to Dee saying " It's nomination time again"

these things imply intelligence and certainly do not appear to come from some one who is brain damaged.

It has already been shown clearly on 2 or 3 occasions how rude and nasty Gary is.

1. When Gary stared across at Stephanie like a stalker with a scary stare while she was under the covers trying her best to hide from him and have some privacy.

2. When he said to George "No way, buddie" and showed he has no tolerance towards others human mistakes

3. When he told Dee "It's nomination time again soon," or words to that effect which was an obvious threat, and clearly not the action or thought pattern, far too clever and a sneaky under hand threat for some one who is too brain damaged.

Whohoooooooooooooooooo another person that can see through the big fake act!

[smileymummy]

:joker: i don't care about sounding caring, i'm not here to impress people.. There were more than one argument involving Shilpa, she was constantly abused and mocked for her religion, for her ethnicity and for her background, that in my eyes, is much worse than saying someone is unhygienic and lazy when its clear to see that they are.

Bang on and its funny its always always editted in garys favour!

[colin72]

:joker: i don't care about sounding caring, i'm not here to impress people..

Mission accomplished.

[jaxie]

Not only do the housemates lie about Gary, much to my surprise so do their fans. I don't know why I am surprised but I guess I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

[Kazanne]

Not only do the housemates lie about Gary, much to my surprise so do their fans. I don't know why I am surprised but I guess I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

:clap1::clap1:Lets have an American win as the Brits have sadly let us down.

[bots]

Not only do the housemates lie about Gary, much to my surprise so do their fans. I don't know why I am surprised but I guess I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Its the constant scraping of the barrel to dig up something that gets me. So many other housemates have genuinely vile characters, and hardly a word is said against them

[ThriceShy]

Once we reach the vote to win stage I am going to ring up and vote for gary each time I see a troll post from one of the posters that don't like him.

[Vanessa]

Once we reach the vote to win stage I am going to ring up and vote for gary each time I see a troll post from one of the posters that don't like him.

:hehe:

[Vanessa]

Its the constant scraping of the barrel to dig up something that gets me. So many other housemates have genuinely vile characters, and hardly a word is said against them

:clap2:

[ThriceShy]

Its the constant scraping of the barrel to dig up something that gets me. So many other housemates have genuinely vile characters, and hardly a word is said against them

The great thing is though that Gary's vote will not be split. Because he is out on his own and has no real allies, his vote will go for him alone but the anti vote will be widely split unless the antis can get organised and pick an alternative winner. Everyone in there now has a fanbase.

Gary would have to walk or die of boredom to not win now.:laugh:

[Patricia4]

:clap1::clap1:Lets have an American win as the Brits have sadly let us down.

Would be just great kazanne :cheer2:

[Vanessa]

He deserves to finish at least top three. Best housemate in there. :cheer2:

[kirklancaster]

What I say to that is prove it!! We only have the words of one idiotic person who was so far up her own thoughts, nasty and bitter. One who took and used a younger scruffy looking HM to be her crutch for the series. Whilst we are at it prove that Lauren peed in the pool and George drank the water, ah I think they owned up to it didnt they. Also prove that no one else has peed on the floor etc. etc. etc. Prove that they all wash their hands, I have very little faith in many men as this is one of their worst failures. Of course it was Gary no one else would dare do such a thing. Past series have been full of young HMs doing absolutely dreadful disgusting things, are you going to tell me that this lot are any different? Nah, I dont believe it.....

I agree. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[Johnnyuk123]

I'm pretty good at spotting a liar. James is a good example of a liar. He's like a fart in a lift, everyone can smell it and no one wants it there.

[jaxie]

I'm pretty good at spotting a liar. James is a good example of a liar. He's like a fart in a lift, everyone can smell it and no one wants it there.

Aww I love your avatar. He is missed.

[Forgetmenot]

Remember when Leslie first came out, in his interview with Emma, he said he had to apologise to Gary's family for the way he treated him. I was very pleased with that and admired him for it but, he soon changed his tune when he realised that the public were against the way Gary had been treated, he began to defend himself.

He saw Gary as his rival and tried to degrade him with the tasks and that, he lost one of the food tasks because he had a personal vendetta against G. Ask youself though, why did he say publicly he had to apologise to Gary's family?

Then we have the idiot James trying to educate Gary but in what way was he doing it, he earnt himself the name of Bully. Then along comes Stephanie with the face to face nominations and Ricci telling him that he wouldnt want Gary as an example for his children.

Now we have dear mama Dee, shes suddenly realises that Gary may win and so let us stir the pot. Gary hasnt bitten he has apologised, he has tried to better himself. He was told in the begnning that the HMs hated him, mmm, now I am sure that if his behaviour has been other than that which we have seen, it would have been shown over and over again. Just imagine though sitting in there knowing that all the HMs hated him, they proved it by nominating him each time. Same old stories....

They will all relate a tale to defend their actions whether it be truth or not, we will never really know but in the meantime I will continue voting for Gary to win.

So well said, thank you on
Gary's behalf and my sanity! I just like and admire him more each day.he has HUGE COURAGE to deal with that lot every day.

[Kazanne]

Would be just great kazanne :cheer2:

We can do it:cheer2: