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ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 09:01 PM
Liar liar pants on fire eh.

Josy
06-09-2014, 09:02 PM
Why?

Xtopher
06-09-2014, 09:03 PM
I cringed on that part. Ugh.

ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 09:06 PM
I couldn't believe it.

Such a snide cow. Worst possible kind of person. She was my third favourite after Gary and Audley, but now she is my least favourite.

And what a cowardly rude thing to do rather than just saying what she feels to him.

Brother Leon
06-09-2014, 09:10 PM
She gets abit more unlikable the more airtime she got this week.

Calderyon
06-09-2014, 09:10 PM
Not that nice of person, is she then?

And to think that on that day Gary was saying after their session: "What a lovely woman she is"

rubymoo
06-09-2014, 09:11 PM
Really disappointed.

ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 09:13 PM
It's true what they say. You can't hide your true self for a long period in there. I wonder if she has been nasty before but BB are only showing it now.

Josy
06-09-2014, 09:21 PM
What happened? I watched the highlights and don't know whats been referred to here?

Gusto Brunt
06-09-2014, 09:24 PM
Liar liar pants on fire eh.

That was just horrible.:nono:

delta
06-09-2014, 09:25 PM
I don't think she's as nice as she likes to portray.


There's been quite a few remarks she has said that doesn't sit comfortably with me and the image that she tries to show.


She doesn't fool me. Not saying she's bad but not as 'genuinely' nice as some would have you think.

ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 09:26 PM
What happened? I watched the highlights and don't know whats been referred to here?

After Stephanies eviction, Gary was sat on the sofas saying how much he would miss Stephanies energy in the house and Edele snidely said "liar liar pants on fire" under her breath so that he wouldn't hear.

Kazanne
06-09-2014, 09:27 PM
What happened? I watched the highlights and don't know whats been referred to here?

I think it was when Gary said he missed Stephanies presence in the house,or she was a presence in the house,Edele was saying Liar,liar,pants on fire thinking Gary couldn't hear her.I think that was it Josy

jaxie
06-09-2014, 09:28 PM
There was also a bit fuss from James and others because Gary said he thought he heard boos when she left. He was shouted down over it like he had committed yet another crime.

Josy
06-09-2014, 09:29 PM
After Stephanies eviction, Gary was sat on the sofas saying how much he would miss Stephanies energy in the house and Edele snidely said "liar liar pants on fire" under her breath so that he wouldn't hear.

I think it was when Gary said he missed Stephanies presence in the house,or she was a presence in the house,Edele was saying Liar,liar,pants on fire thinking Gary couldn't hear her.I think that was it Josy

Oh right I never picked up on that, thanks.

Cherie
06-09-2014, 09:29 PM
I think it was when Gary said he missed Stephanies presence in the house,or she was a presence in the house,Edele was saying Liar,liar,pants on fire thinking Gary couldn't hear her.I think that was it Josy

Yes it was subtitled did you put the kettle on Josy :laugh:

hijaxers
06-09-2014, 09:29 PM
I also thought ya nasty bitch when she was leaving her session with Gary - rolling her eyes behind the door - Gone right off you Edele - joined the pack and i hope you all get savaged by the wolves just like you deserve !

Josy
06-09-2014, 09:30 PM
Yes it was subtitled did you put the kettle on Josy :laugh:

:joker:

I was actually drinking tea but must have looked away from the screen at that point.

Angelika
06-09-2014, 09:30 PM
I was shocked at Edele's uncharitable and nasty retort when Gary said to her and James that he missed Stephanie's presence in the house. I really think this was the most telling thing she has said to date. For those who don't know when Gary said he would miss Stephanie's presence she turned and whispered to James "Liar, liar pants on fire." Gary must have sensed something and asked what she had said to which she mumbled something.......but not he truth.

She is so desperate, along with her fellow HM's, to get rid of Gary because every one of them sees Gary as competition.

Bad woman! :nono:

bots
06-09-2014, 09:31 PM
What happened? I watched the highlights and don't know whats been referred to here?

On today's task, she was very unpleasant toward Gary along with Dee too, so it won't be getting any better for her

Cherie
06-09-2014, 09:32 PM
:joker:

I was actually drinking tea but must have looked away from the screen at that point.

:laugh:

puzzled
06-09-2014, 09:36 PM
That was so vile and dismissive.

MojoNixon
06-09-2014, 09:38 PM
No need to like her anymore. She did have her moments, but not anymore.

Angelika
06-09-2014, 09:42 PM
I also thought ya nasty bitch when she was leaving her session with Gary - rolling her eyes behind the door - Gone right off you Edele - joined the pack and i hope you all get savaged by the wolves just like you deserve !

She certainly showed her true colours tonight!
Yes, they will all certainly get their just desserts, sooner the better.

Vicky.
06-09-2014, 09:44 PM
Not making excuses for her as she was definitely a twat tonight, but...its probably the norm to do that in there now with the rest of the ignorant bitches so she could have just picked up the bad habit :S

Angelika
06-09-2014, 10:01 PM
Why?

Pure vile nastiness?

rusticgal
06-09-2014, 10:01 PM
They just cannot handle Gary. They just cannot compete with his understanding"...his tolerance and his ability to be in total control of himself. He is too good for all of them and they HATE it...

Gary was so powerful tonight...I just love him.

Apart from Audley I am embarrassed by the representation of all those Brits in there.

jegmeister
06-09-2014, 10:04 PM
go and see the channel 5 clip about the complaint call centre - she and Dee both how how nasty they really are.

Patricia4
06-09-2014, 10:10 PM
I was shocked at Edele's uncharitable and nasty retort when Gary said to her and James that he missed Stephanie's presence in the house. I really think this was the most telling thing she has said to date. For those who don't know when Gary said he would miss Stephanie's presence she turned and whispered to James "Liar, liar pants on fire." Gary must have sensed something and asked what she had said to which she mumbled something.......but not he truth.

She is so desperate, along with her fellow HM's, to get rid of Gary because every one of them sees Gary as competition.

Bad woman! :nono:

Another nasty one

ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 10:27 PM
They just cannot handle Gary. They just cannot compete with his understanding"...his tolerance and his ability to be in total control of himself. He is too good for all of them and they HATE it...

Gary was so powerful tonight...I just love him.

Apart from Audley I am embarrassed by the representation of all those Brits in there.

I envy Gary.

I would lose my head with far less provocation. How is he so calm and forgiving? he is playing a blinder.

I suppose being twice their age helps.

Jords
06-09-2014, 10:29 PM
Meh

Gary was probably lying but was trying to show compassion towards those who liked Stephanie. On the other hand although Edele was cringy it was only "liar liar pants on fire" that was said which is hardly criminal.

Bit of a non-event.

Tip
06-09-2014, 10:45 PM
Gary nominated Stephanie didn't he?

joeysteele
06-09-2014, 10:54 PM
I'll still make allowances for this from Edele however I was a little surprised at her attitude really.
She has however always said she has issues with Gary, not sure if she could really like him, so this sort of comment, although uncalled for, is not a big deal in my view.

rusticgal
06-09-2014, 10:59 PM
Gary nominated Stephanie didn't he?

So what?...he was just trying to empathise. Gary would miss James if he left..not because he dislikes him, just because of his presence in the house. Gary doesn't have a bad word for anyone.

Tip
06-09-2014, 11:05 PM
So what?...he was just trying to empathise. Gary would miss James if he left..not because he dislikes him, just because of his presence in the house. Gary doesn't have a bad word for anyone.


Just checking - it's interesting who Gary chooses to nominate and who he doesn't. Gary called James a friend for life - not sure if I believe Gary tbh.

Edele wasn't nice, but I can understand if she didn't feel Gary was genuine and resented his input at that moment.

ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 11:06 PM
Just checking - it's interesting who Gary chooses to nominate and who he doesn't. Gary called James a friend for life - not sure if I believe Gary tbh.

Edele wasn't nice, but I can understand if she didn't feel Gary was genuine and resented his input at that moment.

So why didn't edele say it to him? Didn't George say that whispering about people was rude?

Tip
06-09-2014, 11:08 PM
Edele was rude.
All their behaviour is deteriorating at a rapid rate -

They can't stand him.
Even Audley who isn't rude doesn't seem to spend any time with Gary.

ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 11:12 PM
Edele was rude.
All their behaviour is deteriorating at a rapid rate -

They can't stand him.
Even Audley who isn't rude doesn't seem to spend any time with Gary.

The question is why can't they stand him? I think they see him as a threat to win.

Tip
06-09-2014, 11:14 PM
It could be only that, at least for some of them.

However, poor old Gary seemed to have that effect on his team mates on the Apprentice too - if they weren't losing control they were pulling faces behind his back.

Perhaps they were worried he would win that too.

ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 11:18 PM
It could be only that, at least for some of them.

However, poor old Gary seemed to have that effect on his team mates on the Apprentice too - if they weren't losing control they were pulling faces behind his back.

Perhaps they were worried he would win that too.

I think he just looks and behaves a bit differently.

Remember James called Gary and Frenchy the "two freakos."

What you also have to remember is that a lot of the people in there are not right themselves. I think many of them have personality disorders. They are narcissistic people, that is why most of them wanted to be famous in the first place.

Gary is too good to be in there in my opinion.

Mystic Mock
06-09-2014, 11:21 PM
Liar liar pants on fire eh.

Her tears was actually black tonight as well which was kinda scary, has she been bewitched?

mary poppins
06-09-2014, 11:38 PM
Really? Its like Edele slapped someone in the house...she was right about Gary. I was rooting for him but the more I see him the less I like him.

bots
06-09-2014, 11:38 PM
I think Edele is trying everything to win ... here is the latest :laugh:

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twitter.com/bbuklive (http://twitter.com/bbuklive)

ThriceShy
06-09-2014, 11:49 PM
I think Edele is trying everything to win ... here is the latest :laugh:

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twitter.com/bbuklive (http://twitter.com/bbuklive)

My god, a bit of a downgrade to go from stephanie to Edele.

mary poppins
06-09-2014, 11:52 PM
[QUOTE=bitontheslide;7248382]I think Edele is trying everything to win ... here is the latest :laugh:

508394193610637312

twitter.com/bbuklive (http://twitter.com/bbuklive)[/QUOTE
They are all there to win the game!

JTM45
06-09-2014, 11:58 PM
Really? Its like Edele slapped someone in the house...she was right about Gary. I was rooting for him but the more I see him the less I like him.

So, please explain, what exactly have you seen Gary doing that is making you dislike him ?

Is it him being nice to people, asking them what he can do to fix any problems that they claim to have with him or something else ?

He's been nothing but positive in there, even to people who have been treating him terribly!

The only reason most of them are being turds to Gary is that they hear the big-mouths like Dee doing it and want to keep her happy so they all jump on the bandwagon to fit in with the 'popular' crowd!
Add the fact that they all know that Gary is loved by the public and stands a much better chance of winning than they do and there you have it. A bunch of sad sheep-ish followers being jealous of a much better person than they will ever be! :shrug:

mary poppins
07-09-2014, 12:09 AM
So, please explain, what exactly have you seen Gary doing that is making you dislike him ?

Is it him being nice to people, asking them what he can do to fix any problems that they claim to have with him or something else ?

He's been nothing but positive in there, even to people who have been treating him terribly!

The only reason most of them are being turds to Gary is that they hear the big-mouths like Dee doing it and want to keep her happy so they all jump on the bandwagon to fit in with the 'popular' crowd!
Add the fact that they all know that Gary is loved by the public and stands a much better chance of winning than they do and there you have it. A bunch of sad sheep-ish followers being jealous of a much better person than they will ever be! :shrug:
In my opinion Gary is fake...he's the biggest game player...he comes across to me as very rude.

jaxie
07-09-2014, 12:10 AM
Really? Its like Edele slapped someone in the house...she was right about Gary. I was rooting for him but the more I see him the less I like him.

Never seen you rooting for him, only seen you negative about him.

jaxie
07-09-2014, 12:11 AM
In my opinion Gary is fake...he's the biggest game player...he comes across to me as very rude.

Same old, same old. How are those kites working out for ya?

MojoNixon
07-09-2014, 12:14 AM
In my opinion Gary is fake...he's the biggest game player...he comes across to me as very rude.

Oh please :facepalm: James is the biggest gameplayer.

MojoNixon
07-09-2014, 12:14 AM
Same old, same old. How are those kites working out for ya?


:joker: :joker: :joker:

Shaun
07-09-2014, 12:17 AM
After Stephanies eviction, Gary was sat on the sofas saying how much he would miss Stephanies energy in the house and Edele snidely said "liar liar pants on fire" under her breath so that he wouldn't hear.

WHAT A BITCH

mary poppins
07-09-2014, 12:18 AM
Yes I was rooting for him but I think most of us are entitled to change our opinions!

MojoNixon
07-09-2014, 12:20 AM
Yes I was rooting for him but I think most of us are entitled to change our opinions!

After 58 posts?

Mystic Mock
07-09-2014, 12:21 AM
Oh please :facepalm: James is the biggest gameplayer.

Dee is the biggest gameplayer imo, then Gary and James, then Edele for me.

MojoNixon
07-09-2014, 12:22 AM
Dee is the biggest gameplayer imo, then Gary and James, then Edele for me.

You can - Gary out of em. Gary might be gameplayer, but different way. He enjoys to annoy peoples that who don't like him. That's not gameplaying.

Mystic Mock
07-09-2014, 12:34 AM
Gameplaying isn't an offensive thing to me as long as you're entertaining with it.

MojoNixon
07-09-2014, 12:37 AM
Gameplaying isn't an offensive thing to me as long as you're entertaining with it.

You just don't see the difference :facepalm:

Ammi
07-09-2014, 07:14 AM
Meh

Gary was probably lying but was trying to show compassion towards those who liked Stephanie. On the other hand although Edele was cringy it was only "liar liar pants on fire" that was said which is hardly criminal.

Bit of a non-event.

..yeah exactly this and always the voice of reason Jords..:love:..so she said ..liar, liar pants on fire...and she said it under her breath and she said it about a favourite not about James or Dee or someone who might be less favourite..oh dear WHAT HAS SHE DONE....seriously it seems like nothing to me ..I like Gary, I like Edele, I like Gary more than Edele but this wouldn't change my opinion of her at all or doesn't seem to show any 'true colours' at all...sometimes she can make snide remarks, oh dear...seriously I don't see anything to see here...she's human..:amazed:..she knows that gary and Steph never connected and probably assumed he was being false and commented on it but she said it under her breath and not to him because didn't think it was appropriate to initiate a potential confrontation and she isn't the confrontational type either..:amazed:...and about anyone else it would have been less significant but it was Gary..:amazed:...as much as I love him, hosemates can and do have opinions about him and his actions/words without it being their 'true colours' exposed or being thought of as 'nasty' in some way...

joeysteele
07-09-2014, 07:23 AM
So what?...he was just trying to empathise. Gary would miss James if he left..not because he dislikes him, just because of his presence in the house. Gary doesn't have a bad word for anyone.

I agree with that completely.

Back to Edele,I still like her but it surprised me that she chose to,knowing he has hearing difficulties,make the comment to another in the first place and in a way he couldn't hear it clearly too.

When he added a comment she said she was saying something else,now I do like Edele and she has heavy personal issues in her own life at present.
I would however have thought that would have made her more tolerant of others rather than to attempt to ridicule them.

I hope she is not now going to jump on the bandwagon with most of the others to get at Gary who in fact, as you point out in your post, has never made a really rude or in fact insulting remark about any of them that we have seen.

delta
07-09-2014, 07:39 AM
I agree with that completely.

Back to Edele,I still like her but it surprised me that she chose to,knowing he has hearing difficulties,make the comment to another in the first place and in a way he couldn't hear it clearly too.

When he added a comment she said she was saying something else,now I do like Edele and she has heavy personal issues in her own life at present.
I would however have thought that would have made her more tolerant of others rather than to attempt to ridicule them.

I hope she is not now going to jump on the bandwagon with most of the others to get at Gary who in fact, as you point out in your post, has never made a really rude or in fact insulting remark about any of them that we have seen.

I agree it was another non event or 'foot note' a tack in the coffin of Edele, but nothing more. I don't think Gary meant nothing by it, I think he will miss the house the most when it all finishes.

As for Edele, she portrays this Miss Goody Two Shoes image whilst underneath it she's just like any other person with all the good and bad traits we all possess. I do think they are all in it for 'ME' there is very little humility in there- ZERO, just a house full of people, back stabbing each other, jockyinig for position. Probably learnt sod all about themselves or anyone else. They are all so inwardly looking. Non are open to self improvement or are prepared to listen- properly to another person. One of the greatest assets in life a human can have is the ability to listen to another one, not butt in, but just listen. Very little empathy in there it's all about ME ME ME ME ME ME.

Just notice how many times a house mate starts off opening themselves up and when they do it takes about 3 seconds before the person that they are off loading on steers the subject round to themselves. " Oh yeah, that's exactly what happened to me .... " and then off they go .


Somebody, somewhere mentioned narcissists, spot on. House full of 'em with the exclusion of two.


Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder[1] in which a person is excessively preoccupied with personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity, mentally unable to see the destructive damage they are causing to themselves and to others in the process. It is estimated that this condition affects one percent of the population

kirklancaster
07-09-2014, 07:44 AM
Meh

Gary was probably lying but was trying to show compassion towards those who liked Stephanie. On the other hand although Edele was cringy it was only "liar liar pants on fire" that was said which is hardly criminal.

Bit of a non-event.

I agree, but I think everyone's so riled, not because of the actual words which she said, but the fact that by her actions she exposed herself as a nasty 2 faced bitch - and this followed her 2 faced sly face pulling antics as she was exiting Gary's counselling session during the task.

Cherie
07-09-2014, 07:51 AM
I agree, but I think everyone's so riled, not because of the actual words which she said, but the fact that by her actions she exposed herself as a nasty 2 faced bitch - and this followed her 2 faced sly face pulling antics as she was exiting Gary's counselling session during the task.

Yes and coupled with her behaviour in the Call Centre Task it just makes her look a bit bitter. I think Gary is as entitled as anyone to say the house feels emptier even if he did nominate Stephanie without being called a liar.

ebandit
07-09-2014, 08:44 AM
at lease edele was honest.............was gary?

Mark L

Pete.
07-09-2014, 08:50 AM
Let Edele live

mary poppins
07-09-2014, 08:53 AM
Gary was just as two faced. I don't believe for one minute he will miss Stephanie.

Northern Monkey
07-09-2014, 10:34 AM
Oh,I missed this too.I think it was maybe an inadvisable comment for her to come out with.Don't think it deserves a witch hunt though.

Liam-
07-09-2014, 10:38 AM
Saying 'Liar Liar pants on fire' is a crime now is it? Lock up all the children at once!
Jesus, it was obvious Gary was lying, he didn't like Stephanie so why would he miss her? he was saying it to try and sound sympathetic, i don't see how Edele is now getting slack :laugh:

jaxie
07-09-2014, 10:51 AM
Saying 'Liar Liar pants on fire' is a crime now is it? Lock up all the children at once!
Jesus, it was obvious Gary was lying, he didn't like Stephanie so why would he miss her? he was saying it to try and sound sympathetic, i don't see how Edele is now getting slack :laugh:

Not a crime no, just incredibly childish and catty.

Liam-
07-09-2014, 10:52 AM
Not a crime no, just incredibly childish and catty.

well was she lying? :laugh:

rionablue
07-09-2014, 10:55 AM
..yeah exactly this and always the voice of reason Jords..:love:..so she said ..liar, liar pants on fire...and she said it under her breath and she said it about a favourite not about James or Dee or someone who might be less favourite..oh dear WHAT HAS SHE DONE....seriously it seems like nothing to me ..I like Gary, I like Edele, I like Gary more than Edele but this wouldn't change my opinion of her at all or doesn't seem to show any 'true colours' at all...sometimes she can make snide remarks, oh dear...seriously I don't see anything to see here...she's human..:amazed:..she knows that gary and Steph never connected and probably assumed he was being false and commented on it but she said it under her breath and not to him because didn't think it was appropriate to initiate a potential confrontation and she isn't the confrontational type either..:amazed:...and about anyone else it would have been less significant but it was Gary..:amazed:...as much as I love him, hosemates can and do have opinions about him and his actions/words without it being their 'true colours' exposed or being thought of as 'nasty' in some way...

Brilliant post Amni :wavey:

Suze
07-09-2014, 10:57 AM
Liar liar pants on fire eh.

I have never really liked her in there, couldn't really see why she was so manys favourite, although to be fair each to their own as to their favourites. I also find Edele a bit of a non entity at times, which is why I don't really comment on her that much.

rionablue
07-09-2014, 11:01 AM
I like both Edele and Gary they are possibly my favourite housemates. While I admit that what Edele said was a bit snide those who hate her in here will pick up anything to vent their hatred. When Gary said he would miss Stephanie he was CLEARLY lying for Gods sake. The girl gave him an awful time in there, never made any effort with him and treated him like scum. I guess Gary felt he HAD to say something and to be honest he shouldn't have said it.

As other posters have said in here if it was some other housemate there wouldn't be such an issue. There is NO housemate left in there that DOESNT want to win including Gary and Edele so if people are saying 'Edele wants to win' or 'James wants to win' or whatever SO WHAT? That is the name of the game. I am disappointed that Edele said that but it would take far far more than that to change my opinion of her just as if she was nice to everyone all the time some of the posters that don't like her STILL wouldn't like her. And in relation to her in the bed with George she has ALWAYS been friendly with that gang and she and George cuddled all the time even when Stephanie was in the house

Jules2
07-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Not that nice of person, is she then?

And to think that on that day Gary was saying after their session: "What a lovely woman she is"

The thing is tbh, he would have felt it, she was very vulnerable. If she could get over the things she has brought into the house with her and let go, she may learn to trust. She has said before that she had a lovely chat with Gary, she appreciated it but she still nominated him becase she couldnt trust a situation.

Now she has joined the classrooms along with Dee: Ricci: George: ok all the others with the exception of Audley. Mind you dont forget the public voice told her to have a go at Gary!!!!! Wow what a sheep eh!!! It isnt the first time though, I was disgusted at her telling Audley that he shouldnt have nominated her he should have gone for Gary, bulk mentality, she was in the pen, he was outside listening.

Jules2
07-09-2014, 11:05 AM
Meh

Gary was probably lying but was trying to show compassion towards those who liked Stephanie. On the other hand although Edele was cringy it was only "liar liar pants on fire" that was said which is hardly criminal.

Bit of a non-event.

Just nasty and said within his range of lip reading. She isnt doing herself any favours.

Tip
07-09-2014, 11:07 AM
Gary said she was a lovely woman. Was he mistaken or lying?

I think she cringed, I suspect she thinks he is a fake and she can't really stand him any more?

Jules2
07-09-2014, 11:08 AM
I like both Edele and Gary they are possibly my favourite housemates. While I admit that what Edele said was a bit snide those who hate her in here will pick up anything to vent their hatred. When Gary said he would miss Stephanie he was CLEARLY lying for Gods sake. The girl gave him an awful time in there, never made any effort with him and treated him like scum. I guess Gary felt he HAD to say something and to be honest he shouldn't have said it.

As other posters have said in here if it was some other housemate there wouldn't be such an issue. There is NO housemate left in there that DOESNT want to win including Gary and Edele so if people are saying 'Edele wants to win' or 'James wants to win' or whatever SO WHAT? That is the name of the game. I am disappointed that Edele said that but it would take far far more than that to change my opinion of her just as if she was nice to everyone all the time some of the posters that don't like her STILL wouldn't like her. And in relation to her in the bed with George she has ALWAYS been friendly with that gang and she and George cuddled all the time even when Stephanie was in the house

I quite liked her in the beginning but not now, it isnt just one incident, there are more leaving Gary out of it it is just showing her true self.

Tip
07-09-2014, 11:09 AM
Gary wants to win too and this all plays to his advantage surely?

gibsonsg
07-09-2014, 11:39 AM
After Stephanies eviction, Gary was sat on the sofas saying how much he would miss Stephanies energy in the house and Edele snidely said "liar liar pants on fire" under her breath so that he wouldn't hear.

That sounded like Lauren to me not Edele. I will have another look.

ThriceShy
07-09-2014, 11:59 AM
Gary said she was a lovely woman. Was he mistaken or lying?

I think she cringed, I suspect she thinks he is a fake and she can't really stand him any more?

He was mistaken.

If he had good hearing then he clearly wouldn't think she was lovely.

ThriceShy
07-09-2014, 12:00 PM
That sounded like Lauren to me not Edele. I will have another look.

What???

It was Edele. She was the only woman there.