My problem

[cushty]

My problem with Dee is understanding her justifying how she is no longer on benefits and is turning her life round. She gets all expenses paid to go on holiday and attend drinks parties. Now she is being paid to be in the BB house lazing around smoking, the only difference to being at home is there is no TV. In reality, fans phone calls are paying her for being there so she is still taking money from the working people.

[Jules2]

My problem is I just do not like her.......

[kirklancaster]

My problem with Dee is understanding her justifying how she is no longer on benefits and is turning her life round. She gets all expenses paid to go on holiday and attend drinks parties. Now she is being paid to be in the BB house lazing around smoking, the only difference to being at home is there is no TV. In reality, fans phone calls are paying her for being there so she is still taking money from the working people.

I agree. Only a moral-less, hard-faced arrogant **** could issue a rebuttal statement that she "never drinks champagne" because she "can't stand the stuff" when there are dozens of photos from unimpeachable sources, showing her swigging bottles of the stuff.

I do not resent unexpected good fortune coming to any ordinary, hard-working, decent person, I just resent fame and fortune being heaped upon talentless abhorrent and nasty reprobates such as this Truffle Pig.

[cushty]

I agree. Only a moral-less, hard-faced arrogant **** could issue a rebuttal statement that she "never drinks champagne" because she "can't stand the stuff" when there are dozens of photos from unimpeachable sources, showing her swigging bottles of the stuff.

I do not resent unexpected good fortune coming to any ordinary, hard-working, decent person, I just resent fame and fortune being heaped upon talentless abhorrent and nasty reprobates such as this Truffle Pig.

I think you worded it better than me:hehe:

[kirklancaster]

I think you worded it better than me:hehe:

Thank you - just glad that we both recognise her for what she is, no matter how we state it. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: Get Truffle Pig OUT.

[Withano]

I don't get it. She couldn't provide for her kids so she claimed benefits, now she can provide for her kids so she's not claiming benefits. What else would you want her to do? ****ing stupid reason not to like somebody.

[cushty]

I don't get it. She couldn't provide for her kids so she claimed benefits, now she can provide for her kids so she's not claiming benefits. What else would you want her to do? ****ing stupid reason not to like somebody.

Just one word WORK

[Liam-]

Just one word WORK

She worked for years before she went on benefits.

[ThriceShy]

She worked for years before she went on benefits.


Why did she stop working?

[Liam-]

Why did she stop working?

She got diagnosed with severe depression.

[JoshBB]

She had benefits because she needed them, the same way pensioners need them in some scenarios. That's not scrounging.

[Withano]

Just one word WORK

Stop being so narrow minded, there are countless reasons why people need to live off benefits, disliking somebody because they do so is immoral and cruel in my opinion. and disliking somebody because they come off benefits once they can afford to do so is illogical. So overall, you've made the most annoying thread I've seen all century.

[ThriceShy]

She got diagnosed with severe depression.

Wasn't it because she stole £13,000 from her employer and was convicted of it in court?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-council-13000-theft-woman-46930

[Liam-]

Wasn't it because she stole £13,000 from her employer and was convicted of it in court?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-council-13000-theft-woman-46930

Nope, it was because she got diagnosed with depression, she had to stop working, this was after that occasion, that you so love to bring up.

[ThriceShy]

Nope, it was because she got diagnosed with depression, she had to stop working, this was after that occasion, that you so love to bring up.

You mean they kept her employed even after she stole £13,000 from vulnerable people?

I asked why she stopped working. She was clearly sacked because of her theft.

[Liam-]

You mean they kept her employed even after she stole £13,000 from vulnerable people?

I asked why she stopped working. She was clearly sacked because of her theft.

.. she got a different job :laugh:
Yeah she probably did get sacked from that job, but she got another one after that then got diagnosed with depression, so stopped working.

[cushty]

Stop being so narrow minded, there are countless reasons why people need to live off benefits, disliking somebody because they do so is immoral and cruel in my opinion. and disliking somebody because they come off benefits once they can afford to do so is illogical. So overall, you've made the most annoying thread I've seen all century.

Did I say I didn't like her? If you consider this the most annoying thread, why did you add to it? There are many people who need benefits and I have no objection to them receiving them but this posting is how Dee justifies her turning her life round. I don't consider this question is being immoral or cruel.

[ThriceShy]

.. she got a different job :laugh:
Yeah she probably did get sacked from that job, but she got another one after that then got diagnosed with depression, so stopped working.

Source?

[bots]

I had no knowledge of her before she entered the house, and I can't be bothered to look into her story. My judgement of her character is based on what I see there, and I'm not a fan - I will leave it at that.

[jaxie]

She got diagnosed with severe depression.

From reports I've seen she stopped working because she was fired for stealing £13000 that belonged to elderly patients at the place where she worked. She then went on benefits for depression.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-council-13000-theft-woman-46930

[abhorson]

Never heard of her before BB and i hope not to after BB.

Just another in long list of shows like TOWIE, GS, binmen, scrappers that get lucky. Won't include MIC because they are wealthy anyway.

[ThriceShy]

Dee should not even be there. BB seems very keen these days to reward undeserving people. Connor, Helen and now Dee.

Thieving scroungers should not be lauded and rewarded on live TV.

[Josy]

She got diagnosed with severe depression.

That's actually untrue.

She had a good job and lost it because she was charged for stealing £13000 of money from the safe, including envelopes full of cash that belonged to vulnerable adults.

She was given community service and then she was diagnosed as unfit for work due to depression.

[booboomartin]

I don't get it. She couldn't provide for her kids so she claimed benefits, now she can provide for her kids so she's not claiming benefits. What else would you want her to do? ****ing stupid reason not to like somebody.

not really. wonder if she will pay back the money she stole from vulnerable people (£13,000), which caused her to lose her job in the first place. she's sat on her fat arse moaning about it, and the system ever since. the system is, that if you steal, you face the consequences. she moans about benefit st, without it she would still be sitting on her backside, doing nothing. also wonder if she will remember all her old mates on the street when she gets out, doubt it, will have to wait and see. nasty bitch:nono::nono:

[booboomartin]

She worked for years before she went on benefits.

yes your right she did. then gained her employers trust, then stole £13,000 from them. should also be noted that most of this money belonged to vulnerable people who had placed the money into the office where she worked for safekeeping. nice person? thieving bitch who knew she was stealing from people who were unable to care for themselves. not a genuine reason for claiming benefits, wonder if she will pay back the £13,000 that she stole, I doubt it, she's a taker.

[booboomartin]

Nope, it was because she got diagnosed with depression, she had to stop working, this was after that occasion, that you so love to bring up.

do your homework properly please. she lost her job after being convicted of stealing £13,000 from her employers. most of this money belonged to vulnerable people, who had placed the money for safekeeping into the office where this thieving bitch worked. if she got depressed, it was after she had been caught thieving. wonder if she will pay back the £13,000 she stole. I am sure that the vulnerable people she stole from were REALLY depressed:nono::nono:

[booboomartin]

.. she got a different job :laugh:
Yeah she probably did get sacked from that job, but she got another one after that then got diagnosed with depression, so stopped working.

if she did get a different job! then got depression, was probably because she no longer had access to other peoples money to steal. whetre did she work after her conviction?

[Marsh.]

do your homework properly please. she lost her job after being convicted of stealing £13,000 from her employers. most of this money belonged to vulnerable people, who had placed the money for safekeeping into the office where this thieving bitch worked. if she got depressed, it was after she had been caught thieving. wonder if she will pay back the £13,000 she stole. I am sure that the vulnerable people she stole from were REALLY depressed:nono::nono:

So you can pass judgement on whether she was REALLY depressed? :rolleyes:

[Liam-]

do your homework properly please. she lost her job after being convicted of stealing £13,000 from her employers. most of this money belonged to vulnerable people, who had placed the money for safekeeping into the office where this thieving bitch worked. if she got depressed, it was after she had been caught thieving. wonder if she will pay back the £13,000 she stole. I am sure that the vulnerable people she stole from were REALLY depressed:nono::nono:

You love rehashing the same thing over and over again don't you? and who are who to say who is 'really' depressed or not? shall we bring up all of Audley's past grievances that he mentioned the other night or not? cause i'd be happy to.

[booboomartin]

That's actually untrue.

She had a good job and lost it because she was charged for stealing £13000 of money from the safe, including envelopes full of cash that belonged to vulnerable adults.

She was given community service and then she was diagnosed as unfit for work due to depression.

i wonder if she will now pay back the £13,000 that she stole from vulnerable people. was she diagnosed unfit for work before or after doing her community work.?

[Marsh.]

i wonder if she will now pay back the £13,000 that she stole from vulnerable people. was she diagnosed unfit for work before or after doing her community work.?

Why? Are you going to make another presumption based on when she had her diagnosis?

[booboomartin]

So you can pass judgement on whether she was REALLY depressed? :rolleyes:

my point was, that the vulnerable people she stole from, had a valid reason to be depressed, and it might help them to have their money paid back to them.

[hijaxers]

My problem is I just do not like her.......

Ditto

[booboomartin]

You love rehashing the same thing over and over again don't you? and who are who to say who is 'really' depressed or not? shall we bring up all of Audley's past grievances that he mentioned the other night or not? cause i'd be happy to.

i was commenting on dee, but if it makes you feel better, then comment on audley all you like.:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[hijaxers]

I actually don't care if she gets deep depression after this - and believe me she will

[Liam-]

i was commenting on dee, but if it makes you feel better, then comment on audley all you like.:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

Well you're one of the people who likes to drag Dee's past up every chance you get, so why not drag Audley's up?

[Josy]

Well you're one of the people who likes to drag Dee's past up every chance you get, so why not drag Audley's up?

Because this thread is about Dee?

Feel free to make a thread about Audley's past..

[Liam-]

my point was, that the vulnerable people she stole from, had a valid reason to be depressed, and it might help them to have their money paid back to them.

So people are only depressed if in your eyes they have a 'valid reason; to be? makes perfect sense :crazy:

[Marsh.]

my point was, that the vulnerable people she stole from, had a valid reason to be depressed, and it might help them to have their money paid back to them.

A valid reason to be depressed? :rolleyes: More ignorance.

Depression can affect anyone and everyone and it's not as if Dee was living the high life.

[booboomartin]

Why? Are you going to make another presumption based on when she had her diagnosis?

no, just wondered if she ever got to do the community service.:cheer2:

[booboomartin]

So people are only depressed if in your eyes they have a 'valid reason; to be? makes perfect sense :crazy:

thank you for agreeing with me, i knew you would see sense.:cheer2:

[Marsh.]

thank you for agreeing with me, i knew you would see sense.:cheer2:

No it doesn't at all. It's ignorant.

[Liam-]

thank you for agreeing with me, i knew you would see sense.:cheer2:

Yeah, i don't think anyone could agree with you on that point, depression doesn't seek out people with 'valid reason' it can hit people no matter who they are, no matter how much money they've got and no matter where they're from, your argument is ridiculous and you know it.

[booboomartin]

No it doesn't at all. It's ignorant.

your choice to continue to miss the point

[Marsh.]

your choice to continue to miss the point

I've not missed any "point". You are completely ignorant about depression, evident in your posts in this thread.

[Liam-]

your choice to continue to miss the point

The point you're trying to make is that only people with 'valid reasons' can be depressed, is it not?

[booboomartin]

Yeah, i don't think anyone could agree with you on that point, depression doesn't seek out people with 'valid reason' it can hit people no matter who they are, no matter how much money they've got and no matter where they're from, your argument is ridiculous and you know it.

i have never said what you appear to be insinuating. i said that the people who had their money stolen, had a valid reason to be depressed. if i had my savings stolen, i think i would have a VALID reason to SAY i felt depressed. i am fully aware that depression is non selective, having had depression myself.

[booboomartin]

I've not missed any "point". You are completely ignorant about depression, evident in your posts in this thread.

not at all. i have had depression myself, so feel able to voice an opinion on the subject, how about you?

[Jules2]

A valid reason to be depressed? :rolleyes: More ignorance.

Depression can affect anyone and everyone and it's not as if Dee was living the high life.

No Marsh tbh if I had something stolen from me I would be very depressed. I havent studied Dee at all, didnt even know who she was and tbh she hasnt impressed me one little bit. Dont know about her past though so I cannot comment. Her mama bit is a total act.

[Liam-]

i have never said what you appear to be insinuating. i said that the people who had their money stolen, had a valid reason to be depressed. if i had my savings stolen, i think i would have a VALID reason to SAY i felt depressed. i am fully aware that depression is non selective, having had depression myself.

You said the people who Dee stole money from are the ones who should 'really be depressed' hence you insinuating that Dee wasn't depressed because she didn't have reason to be.

[Marsh.]

not at all. i have had depression myself, so feel able to voice an opinion on the subject, how about you?

Yes, I do have experience with it and therefore know that "valid reasons" doesn't come into it.

You don't need reasons or justifications to suffer mentally.

[kirklancaster]

I don't get it. She couldn't provide for her kids so she claimed benefits, now she can provide for her kids so she's not claiming benefits. What else would you want her to do? ****ing stupid reason not to like somebody.

No decent person is ever going to attack another simply because that other is on benefits. However, when it is apparent that someone is not only abusing the benefits system but is also on a national TV show where she has exposed herself as a foul-mouthed, vindictive, vicious, 2 faced, backstabbing, lying self-seeker, then that's a different matter. Add to the forgoing, the fact that she also stole £13,000 from the needy, then take into account that she organised master classes in duping the benefits system, and has the temerity to deny ever drinking champagne in the face of dozens of photos taken on a luxury holiday which show her swigging magnums of the stuff, and I think you may start to understand why she is so unpopular on here. Finally, her reason for claiming benefits was that she was suffering depression and unable to work. I have seen no sign of that depression in those dozens of holiday photos referred to, or in her tv appearances. A miraculous recovery worthy of Lourdes.

[Marsh.]

No Marsh tbh if I had something stolen from me I would be very depressed. I havent studied Dee at all, didnt even know who she was and tbh she hasnt impressed me one little bit. Dont know about her past though so I cannot comment. Her mama bit is a total act.

That's not what I was talking about.

The casual "depressed" that people use when sad and being diagnosed depressive by a doctor is a very different thing.

Yes, having money stolen could trigger depression just like any number of other life events could. But things like that are not the only way someone can find themselves in that position.

[booboomartin]

No decent person is ever going to attack another simply because that other is on benefits. However, when it is apparent that someone is not only abusing the benefits system but is also on a national TV show where she has exposed herself as a foul-mouthed, vindictive, vicious, 2 faced, backstabbing, lying self-seeker, then that's a different matter. Add to the forgoing, the fact that she also stole £13,000 from the needy, then take into account that she organised master classes in duping the benefits system, and has the temerity to deny ever drinking champagne in the face of dozens of photos taken on a luxury holiday which show her swigging magnums of the stuff, and I think you may start to understand why she is so unpopular on here. Finally, her reason for claiming benefits was that she was suffering depression and unable to work. I have seen no sign of that depression in those dozens of holiday photos referred to, or in her tv appearances. A miraculous recovery worthy of Lourdes.

hallelujah :cheer2::cheer2:

[hijaxers]

Why did she stop working?

Because she got caught stealing

[Liam-]

Because she got caught stealing

Difference being, Dee couldn't work, so what you said was just pointless really.

[Suze]

Read my reply. I have actually underlined the words Don't want to work. You only see what you want to see and your boring now :sleep:

Your posts make perfect sense Cushty, without any need to read stuff into them that isn't there. Welcome to TIBBs, I remember your postings from the other site :)

[Marsh.]

I'm not "your dear" and please put your claws away. I do wonder how you would really feel if you were a pensioner who worked all their life and made sure you provided for your future only to see that the pension you earned was being taxed to pay for people who don't want to work and are quite happy to take, especially someone who was quite happy to steal from people who were vulnerable.

And how many of the people claiming benefits "don't want to work"? You seem very informed on the issue.

I don't see what relevance it has. Dee lost a job due to her criminal actions and then was written out of work sometime after when she was diagnosed with depression.

[cushty]

Your posts make perfect sense Cushty, without any need to read stuff into them that isn't there. Welcome to TIBBs, I remember your postings from the other site :)

Thank you for your welcome to TIBBS. Sometimes I find it hard to stay civil but I have learned to laugh at some posts.:wavey:

[booboomartin]

Yes, I do have experience with it and therefore know that "valid reasons" doesn't come into it.

You don't need reasons or justifications to suffer mentally.

i have never said that anyone did.:nono:

[cushty]

And how many of the people claiming benefits "don't want to work"? You seem very informed on the issue.

I don't see what relevance it has. Dee lost a job due to her criminal actions and then was written out of work sometime after when she was diagnosed with depression.

When my husband passed away in 1997 I too suffered depression and found it hard to cope but I carried on working. When I retired I did voluntary work with Age Concern and found that keeping occupied stopped me from feeling sorry for myself. I did have a relative who didn't want to work and found many ways to avoid it and even bragged about it. I also read papers and listen to news regarding benefit cheats. I feel I can give an opinion without receiving stern replies. There are many people who deserve to receive benefits and I have no arguments with them.

[booboomartin]

When my husband passed away in 1997 I too suffered depression and found it hard to cope but I carried on working. When I retired I did voluntary work with Age Concern and found that keeping occupied stopped me from feeling sorry for myself. I did have a relative who didn't want to work and found many ways to avoid it and even bragged about it. I also read papers and listen to news regarding benefit cheats. I feel I can give an opinion without receiving stern replies. There are many people who deserve to receive benefits and I have no arguments with them.

well said. don't worry, they do the same to me. some ill informed people will always feel that they have the right to the last word, Wrong:nono::nono:

[Marsh.]

When my husband passed away in 1997 I too suffered depression and found it hard to cope but I carried on working. When I retired I did voluntary work with Age Concern and found that keeping occupied stopped me from feeling sorry for myself. I did have a relative who didn't want to work and found many ways to avoid it and even bragged about it. I also read papers and listen to news regarding benefit cheats. I feel I can give an opinion without receiving stern replies. There are many people who deserve to receive benefits and I have no arguments with them.

Your relative isn't relevant to the discussion I'm afraid. Your relative isn't representative of all benefit claimants. You will find people who try and some who succeed in swindling all kinds of systems but they are a very small minority. Much smaller than some trashy media people would have you believe.

I am glad for you that you were able to work through your tough times and find things that made your situation better, that's excellent. But, again, what works for one does not work for another. Depression varies in severity and from person to person.

I will respond where I see fit to give my own opinion too. I have no issue with that.

Also, the fact you used the phrase "stopped me from feeling sorry for myself" speaks volumes. Actual clinical depression goes beyond feeling a bit down on yourself or suffering a bereavement or other tough time in your life. Depression is a very real mental illness that can bring down even the strongest of people and does not always require a bad life experience to trigger it.

[Marsh.]

well said. don't worry, they do the same to me. some ill informed people will always feel that they have the right to the last word, Wrong:nono::nono:

Grow up and stick to the topic of the discussion.

[ThriceShy]

Don't forget that Dee was stealing the money to give to crack dealers.

She is a veritable robin hood. Robbing from poor vulnerable people to give it to even poorer smackheads.

[cushty]

This is my last post on this thread. After reading all the excuses given for Dee, I still cannot see how she can say she has turned her life round by not receiving benefits now. If you think that receiving money for being in BB is earning it then think again. She is doing no different to what she does at home (free meals, rent free and smoking like a trooper). When BB finishes how long will it be before she is back on benefits? Watch this space.

[abhorson]

Just an example. 13,000 lost their jobs in the docks in the NE about 15 years ago. Within two months there were an extra 10,000 on disability benefit for the region.

Call me cynical.

But it is still a great system for those in real need.

[cushty]

Just an example. 13,000 lost their jobs in the docks in the NE about 15 years ago. Within two months there were an extra 10,000 on disability benefit for the region.

Call me cynical.

But it is still a great system for those in real need.

:clap1:I know I said previously that it would be my last post, but I just needed to state that I totally agree with you

[puzzled]

It's useless to compare people's reactions to their depression because there are several kinds of depression--major depression, atypical depression, dysthmia, psychotic depression, situational, and others. None of us knows what kind of depression Dee might have had, and we have to bear in mind that many people do recover, so her behaviour on Benefits Street doesn't indicate what she might have had, or not had, either.

Situational depression is triggered by events such as loss of a loved on, while major depression is a beast that descends for no particular reason at all.

I don't like Dee even a little bit, but only she knows how debilitating her depression was. I don't like her behaviour in the house and the way she treats people. For me, that's enough reason to dislike her, whatever the reasons for her receiving benefits.

[Jamesy]

Dee I find to be a tricky one. Just judging from her personality, to me she looks like your bog standard scrounger, she knows the benefits system inside out and knows what you can do to be able to get benefits in the long run. Depression is actually a good way to get past being pushed for a job when on benefits. As long as you go to a crap doctor they can probably diagnose you with depression in a flash, as long as you're good at acting (I know a fair few people on benefits who have done this in the short term with 'mild depression').

On the other hand, maybe Dee really was depressed, did really need benefits and really is trying to turn her life around.

Either way no one in this thread can say they're right. Unless you know Dee personally and don't go off what a benefits documentary or what local newspaper sites say, you're not going to have a clue whether Dee is a scrounger, or a woman who has had a bad past and wants to change it.

[Marsh.]

This is my last post on this thread. After reading all the excuses given for Dee, I still cannot see how she can say she has turned her life round by not receiving benefits now. If you think that receiving money for being in BB is earning it then think again. She is doing no different to what she does at home (free meals, rent free and smoking like a trooper). When BB finishes how long will it be before she is back on benefits? Watch this space.

She finished being on benefits BEFORE Big Brother.

They're all receiving a fee for appearing on a television show. That's how TV works.

If in the future she struggles to find work when her 5 minutes of fame inevitably ends then she's entitled to it.

[booboomartin]

Grow up and stick to the topic of the discussion.

I was, and please don't be insulting, what I said was true, some people always want the last word. if you see yourself as that person, so be it:sleep:

[Marsh.]

I was, and please don't be insulting, what I said was true, some people always want the last word. if you see yourself as that person, so be it:sleep:

I'm being insulting? :joker: Ok chuck.

[booboomartin]

I'm being insulting? :joker: Ok chuck.

who's chuck?:sleep:

[kirklancaster]

When my husband passed away in 1997 I too suffered depression and found it hard to cope but I carried on working. When I retired I did voluntary work with Age Concern and found that keeping occupied stopped me from feeling sorry for myself. I did have a relative who didn't want to work and found many ways to avoid it and even bragged about it. I also read papers and listen to news regarding benefit cheats. I feel I can give an opinion without receiving stern replies. There are many people who deserve to receive benefits and I have no arguments with them.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[kirklancaster]

who's chuck?:sleep:

Don't know but I bet he knows the drill. :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: BOOM BOOM!

[kirklancaster]

That's actually untrue.

She had a good job and lost it because she was charged for stealing £13000 of money from the safe, including envelopes full of cash that belonged to vulnerable adults.

She was given community service and then she was diagnosed as unfit for work due to depression.

So - very conveniently - she wouldn't have to carry out the community service due to her 'illness'.

[Marsh.]

who's chuck?:sleep:

What's that you said about last word? :joker:

[Forgetmenot]

Just one word WORK

Fir goodness sake, lots of people do not go to work in a regular job if they have money! Are you jealous or what? What can this person do to satisfy you.?
disgusting names to say about any one on this forum. None of them in their are saints, why keep picking on her! Lots of actors when out of work sign on, maybe you should hate them as well::bawling:

[Marsh.]

So - very conveniently - she wouldn't have to carry out the community service due to her 'illness'.

Proof?

[Marsh.]

Just one word WORK

She worked for years before being on benefits and is no longer on benefits since she began earning money again. Money which she will pay tax on.

[Angelika]

That's actually untrue.

She had a good job and lost it because she was charged for stealing £13000 of money from the safe, including envelopes full of cash that belonged to vulnerable adults.

So true!
She worked for Birmingham City Council -she had a good job, potentially a job for life.

She may have been depressed for a short while during the court proceedings waiting to hear if she would be banged up. The fact she can't get a job is all her own doing.

[Forgetmenot]

Stop being so narrow minded, there are countless reasons why people need to live off benefits, disliking somebody because they do so is immoral and cruel in my opinion. and disliking somebody because they come off benefits once they can afford to do so is illogical. So overall, you've made the most annoying thread I've seen all century.

Thank you. Spot in.
You are saving my sanity trying to explain over and over again about lots people on benifits etc. I finally reported the abuse about Dee, it us out if hand and disgusting!

[Angelika]

She worked for years before being on benefits and is no longer on benefits since she began earning money again. Money which she will pay tax on.

She needs to pay tax so those who really need to be off work for some reason can draw benefits. :joker:

[abhorson]

She worked for years before being on benefits and is no longer on benefits since she began earning money again. Money which she will pay tax on.


Gees Marsh.

In this case she committed a crime, got the boot and was lucky to avoid prison. Then went on disability benefit for depression. A higher rate than unemployed ?

Became lucky because of a TV series. A good person, this does not make petal.

[Forgetmenot]

Dee should not even be there. BB seems very keen these days to reward undeserving people. Connor, Helen and now Dee.

Thieving scroungers should not be lauded and rewarded on live TV.

The public rewarded Helen and I assume Conner. Dee is allowed to get on with her life.BB invited gopher to this show, she did not aim a gun st BB heads and demand a place:::sleep:

[Marsh.]

She needs to pay tax so those who really need to be off work for some reason can draw benefits. :joker:

Yeah because depression isn't a real illness. Sod off.

[abhorson]

The public rewarded Helen and I assume Conner. Dee is allowed to get on with her life.BB invited gopher to this show, she did not aim a gun st BB heads and demand a place:::sleep:


Some of the public rewarded Helen.

Conner rewarded himself.

With Dee, i agree.

[Marsh.]

Gees Marsh.

In this case she committed a crime, got the boot and was lucky to avoid prison. Then went on disability benefit for depression. A higher rate than unemployed ?

Became lucky because of a TV series. A good person, this does not make petal.

Where did I say she was a good or bad person petal?

Don't push opinions into my post that I don't have.

[Angelika]

Fir goodness sake What can this person do to satisfy you.?

She could be a nice person for starters, like the one she pretended to be at the start of CBB. Dee is a nasty piece work and she should sign up along with a James for English lessons, elocution lessons and anger management. :cheer2:

[abhorson]

Where did I say she was a good or bad person petal?

Don't push opinions into my post that I don't have.



She worked for years before being on benefits and is no longer on benefits since she began earning money again.

^^ Which you are doing here flower.

[Angelika]

Yeah because depression isn't a real illness. Sod off.

Depression is real, people still work when they are depressed. :cheer2:

[Marsh.]

She worked for years before being on benefits and is no longer on benefits since she began earning money again.

^^ Which you are doing here flower.

.....in response to someone saying they'd like her to "WORK". Which she has and does do.

Who mentioned what does or does not make her a good person?

Take your drama elsewhere flower.

[Marsh.]

Depression is real, people still work when they are depressed. :cheer2:

Yes, lots of people work with all kinds of illnesses and conditions. Good on them.

But are all illnesses and all people exactly the same? Is there only one form/severity of "depression"? No. So generalisations don't work here I'm afraid.

[abhorson]

.....in response to someone saying they'd like her to "WORK". Which she has and does do.

Who mentioned what does or does not make her a good person?

Take your drama elsewhere flower.


First comnent was not mine.

In a maybe case of naivity of someone stealing £13,000 ponunds from the vulnerable and then claiming disability for depression may be your's.

[abhorson]

Get off that Liberal pedalstall Marsh. For your own good.

Just trying to help.

[Marsh.]

First comnent was not mine.

In a maybe case of naivity of someone stealing £13,000 ponunds from the vulnerable and then claiming disability for depression may be your's.

I never said the first comment was yours. You quoted what I said so joined the discussion.

I also am not presuming to know something about Dee I have no idea of knowing, you're doing that all by yourself.

[Marsh.]

Get off that Liberal pedalstall Marsh. For your own good.

Just trying to help.

Don't pretend to know me, you don't.

You not being able to accept others opinions is your own problem. I suggest you go away and deal with it, learn from it.

Just trying to help.

[Johnnyuk123]

She got diagnosed with severe depression.

Yet no diary room chats about her depression?

[Liam-]

Yet no diary room chats about her depression?

Yet if she did do diary room chats about it, there's be hoards of people telling her to shut up and get over it.

[Johnnyuk123]

Yet if she did do diary room chats about it, there's be hoards of people telling her to shut up and get over it.

I don't think so, knowing people with depression they cannot go 3 days without feeling so bad. So no. If Dee really has this condition it would be shown by now.

[Liam-]

I don't think so, knowing people with depression they cannot go 3 days without feeling so bad. So no. If Dee really has this condition it would be shown by now.

This forum would be relentless if she went into the diary room every 3 days to complain about her depression :laugh:
Are you saying she's faking depression? how sick.

[Johnnyuk123]

This forum would be relentless if she went into the diary room every 3 days to complain about her depression :laugh:
Are you saying she's faking depression? how sick.

Yes i am saying that and not just for the shock factor having worked with people with depression for many years.

[Tip]

I don't think so, knowing people with depression they cannot go 3 days without feeling so bad. So no. If Dee really has this condition it would be shown by now.

Ah yes, that well researched and well documented 72 hour depression cycle? :conf:

[Marsh.]

Yet no diary room chats about her depression?

So?

[Johnnyuk123]

So?

People with depression do not go on the piss in magaluf. lol

[Marsh.]

I don't think so, knowing people with depression they cannot go 3 days without feeling so bad. So no. If Dee really has this condition it would be shown by now.

No two people are the same. She may be on anti-depressants? They all see a therapist/psychiatrist that is never shown on camera in most series of BB.

[Liam-]

Yes i am saying that and not just for the shock factor having worked with people with depression for many years.

People suffer depression in many different ways, there is no set time limit for how often they feel bad, there is no schedule for when it is going to feel any worse.
Saying someone is faking a mental illness is just as bad as saying someone is faking a disability, how disgusting.

[Marsh.]

People with depression do not go on the piss in magaluf. lol

Because they're all the same? Does everyone with depression never leave their bed?

Also that has nothing to do with the diary room. She doesn't mention it in the diary room so she doesn't or never had it?

[Johnnyuk123]

Knowing many people with depression you lot on here are posting shyte way off the mark on this serious issue and it is very insulting especially to those people suffering with depression.:nono:

[Jamesy]

Isn't this discussion pretty pointless when no one knows for sure if she is still diagnosed as being depressed at the present moment...

[Marsh.]

Knowing many people with depression you lot on here are posting shyte way off the mark on this serious issue and it is very insulting especially to those people suffering with depression.:nono:

I am one of those people.

You're spouting generalisations when the facts of the matter are that no two cases are the same. You are the one being offensive.

[Tip]

Knowing many people with depression you lot on here are posting shyte way off the mark on this serious issue and it is very insulting especially to those people suffering with depression.:nono:

I'm trying and trying - but I'm not quite convinced by your self-professed expertise. I will try do better later :)

[Marsh.]

Isn't this discussion pretty pointless when no one knows for sure if she is still diagnosed as being depressed at the present moment...

But she doesn't drop into a deep depression within 3 days so she must be a faker. :fist:

[Liam-]

Knowing many people with depression you lot on here are posting shyte way off the mark on this serious issue and it is very insulting especially to those people suffering with depression.:nono:

I have also known people with depression and they don't feel the need to talk about it every 3 days, as you claim is their joint cycle of depression, doesn't mean they were faking it.

[Johnnyuk123]

I am one of those people.

You're spouting generalisations when the facts of the matter are that no two cases are the same. You are the one being offensive.

No two cases on any ailment are the same. But depression is mocked by many sadly.

[Johnnyuk123]

I have also known people with depression and they don't feel the need to talk about it every 3 days, as you claim is their joint cycle of depression, doesn't mean they were faking it.

Are you talking about people on medication or not on medication?

[Liam-]

Are you talking about people on medication or not on medication?

Both... your vast generalisation of people suffering from a disease that affects people in so many different ways is staggering and borderline offensive.

[Johnnyuk123]

Both... your vast generalisation of people suffering from a disease that affects people in so many different ways is staggering and borderline offensive.

And you are talking from experience?

[Marsh.]

No two cases on any ailment are the same.

Yet you insisted Dee can't be depressed because she hasn't spoken in the diary room about it because depressed people apparently can't go three days without falling low.

[Liam-]

And you are talking from experience?

I have known people with depression yes, which I have stated.

[the truth]

Both... your vast generalisation of people suffering from a disease that affects people in so many different ways is staggering and borderline offensive.

the only thing offensive is your false accusation of him:nono:

[RodHull]

I must say I see no evidence of 'severe' depression... usual scrounger playing the system

[Liam-]

the only thing offensive is your false accusation of him:nono:

Omg leave me alone, it's like you're harassing me :laugh:

[ThriceShy]

Funny how Dee worked happily for years until she got caught for stealing £13,000 from vulnerable people. Since then she has been "depressed" and unable to work.

She doesn't look that depressed. Normally depressed people have a low appetite.

[the truth]

Omg leave me alone, it's like you're harassing me :laugh:

what a tasteless thing to joke about. some people suffer serious harassment to throw the word around willy nilly devalues the meaning of the word and makes life harder for those who are truly harassed.:nono:

[Liam-]

what a tasteless thing to joke about. some people suffer serious harassment to throw the word around willy nilly devalues the meaning of the word and makes life harder for those who are truly harassed.:nono:

Oh you mean like when people throw the word bully around? I get you, good point!

Ps, I wasn't joking, I genuinely feel harassed by you, leave me be, tyvm.

[ThriceShy]

Oh you mean like when people throw the word bully around? I get you, good point!

Ps, I wasn't joking, I genuinely feel harassed by you, leave me be, tyvm.

Can't you just add him to your ignore list?

[Liam-]

Can't you just add him to your ignore list?

I would if I knew how to :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I must say I see no evidence of 'severe' depression... usual scrounger playing the system

Why would you see any evidence when you are not a part of her life?

[Marsh.]

Normally depressed people have a low appetite.

And some depressed people go the opposite way, eat more and put on a load of weight. And then there are the people whose eating habits aren't changed all that drastically.

[the truth]

Oh you mean like when people throw the word bully around? I get you, good point!

Ps, I wasn't joking, I genuinely feel harassed by you, leave me be, tyvm.

Please stop harassing me:nono:

[abhorson]

This forum would be relentless if she went into the diary room every 3 days to complain about her depression :laugh:
Are you saying she's faking depression? how sick.


FFS Thousands do it to get Disability instead of unemployment. Grow up.

[Marsh.]

Please stop harassing me:nono:

what a tasteless thing to joke about. some people suffer serious harassment to throw the word around willy nilly devalues the meaning of the word and makes life harder for those who are truly harassed.:nono:

[Liam-]

FFS Thousands do it to get Disability instead of unemployment. Grow up.
Thousands of people fake depression to claim benefits? What source are you getting this from?

[the truth]

what a tasteless thing to joke about. some people suffer serious harassment to throw the word around willy nilly devalues the meaning of the word and makes life harder for those who are truly harassed.:nono:

but im not joking

[the truth]

Thousands of people fake depression to claim benefits? What source are you getting this from?

humans

[Liam-]

humans

What a wonderful, enlightening source that is.

[abhorson]

Thousands of people fake depression to claim benefits? What source are you getting this from?

Are you for real. I wonder at times,

13,000 lost their dock jobs in the NE 15 years ago and within 2 months the regions disability benefit register went up by 10,000. Not unemployment because that pays a lower rate.

Look it up.

[the truth]

Are you for real. I wonder at times,

13,000 lost their dock jobs in the NE 15 years ago and within 2 months the regions disability benefit register went up by 10,000. Not unemployment because that pays a lower rate.

Look it up.

yeap doing your homework for him now

[Liam-]

Are you for real. I wonder at times,

13,000 lost their dock jobs in the NE 15 years ago and within 2 months the regions disability benefit register went up by 10,000. Not unemployment because that pays a lower rate.

Look it up.

And that means all those people are taking depression how?.. You're assuming things now and making wild accusations.

[Marsh.]

Are you for real. I wonder at times,

13,000 lost their dock jobs in the NE 15 years ago and within 2 months the regions disability benefit register went up by 10,000. Not unemployment because that pays a lower rate.

Look it up.

And that therefore relates back to Dee Kelly in a very obvious and logical way.... I get you. :thumbs:

There are lots of people who cheat the system.... therefore Dee Kelly cheats the system. Gotcha! :wink:

It also means all those on the disability register had or claimed to have depression.

[Marsh.]

but im not joking

no kidding.

[the truth]

no kidding.

your answer makes no sense. Mine does. :dance:

[Marsh.]

your answer makes no sense. Mine does. :dance:

Baiting. :nono: You should be ashamed.

[kirklancaster]

Proof?

Actually, I've researched this and apparently, she did carry out her sentence by working in a charity shop. i apologise, but my opinion on the fat bitch has not changed one iota. as for 'depression', I have seen hundreds of photos and lots of video footage of her and in none of them does she looked depressed. She is laughing, smiling, clutching cans/bottles of beer or swigging champagne and having a good time. No, these are not all media photos, a lot are her own snaps which she posted on facebook. Depressed my arse. :nono::nono:

[Pincho Paxton]

Baiting. :nono: You should be ashamed.

Who is the Master at Baiting? :blush:

[the truth]

Actually, I've researched this and apparently, she did carry out her sentence by working in a charity shop. i apologise, but my opinion on the fat bitch has not changed one iota. as for 'depression', I have seen hundreds of photos and lots of video footage of her and in none of them does she looked depressed. She is laughing, smiling, clutching cans/bottles of beer or swigging champagne and having a good time. No, these are not all media photos, a lot are her own snaps which she posted on facebook. Depressed my arse. :nono::nono:

Agreed.

[ThriceShy]

Thousands of people fake depression to claim benefits? What source are you getting this from?

Didn't a million people sign themselves off the sick before going to an ATOS assessment?

[ThriceShy]

And that therefore relates back to Dee Kelly in a very obvious and logical way.... I get you. :thumbs:

There are lots of people who cheat the system.... therefore Dee Kelly cheats the system. Gotcha! :wink:

It also means all those on the disability register had or claimed to have depression.

She is a convicted thief. Assuming she would steal benefits seems reasonable to me.

[the truth]

Didn't a million people sign themselves off the sick before going to an ATOS assessment?

yes they did, what does that tell us? fakers.

[Liam-]

Didn't a million people sign themselves off the sick before going to an ATOS assessment?

What?

[ThriceShy]

What?

How rude to say what. Us brits say pardon.

Here is the story I am referring to:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9963012/900000-choose-to-come-off-sickness-benefit-ahead-of-tests.html

Although why I keep doing your homework for you , I am not sure.

[ThriceShy]

From that link:

As well as the 878,300 who chose to drop their claims, another 837,000 who did take the a medical test were found to be fit to work immediately, while a further 367,300 were judged able to some level of work.

Scroungers!

[Liam-]

How rude to say what. Us brits say pardon.

Here is the story I am referring to:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9963012/900000-choose-to-come-off-sickness-benefit-ahead-of-tests.html

Although why I keep doing your homework for you , I am not sure.

No I know the story, I'm just baffled at your assumption that every single one of those million people were faking depression.. That's what you seem to be saying anyway,

[ThriceShy]

No I know the story, I'm just baffled at your assumption that every single one of those million people were faking depression.. That's what you seem to be saying anyway,

Where did I say that?

[Marsh.]

Actually, I've researched this and apparently, she did carry out her sentence by working in a charity shop. i apologise, but my opinion on the fat bitch has not changed one iota. as for 'depression', I have seen hundreds of photos and lots of video footage of her and in none of them does she looked depressed. She is laughing, smiling, clutching cans/bottles of beer or swigging champagne and having a good time. No, these are not all media photos, a lot are her own snaps which she posted on facebook. Depressed my arse. :nono::nono:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Liam-]

Where did I say that?

That's what we were talking about.. You said thousands of people faked depression to get on benefits, I asked where your source was from and you went off on a tangent with this.. Hence my thinking that you're assuming all of those people were faking depression, since that is the main subject of what we're talking about currently.

[Marsh.]

She is a convicted thief. Assuming she would steal benefits seems reasonable to me.

Yes, we all know convicted thieves cannot be ill.

[ThriceShy]

That's what we were talking about.. You said thousands of people faked depression to get on benefits, I asked where your source was from and you went off on a tangent with this.. Hence my thinking that you're assuming all of those people were faking depression, since that is the main subject of what we're talking about currently.

Sorry, can you link to the post where I said the bit in bold?

[Marsh.]

Who is the Master at Baiting? :blush:

You are?

[ThriceShy]

Yes, we all know convicted thieves cannot be ill.

Why can't they?

[Marsh.]

Why can't they?

Because they're scum of the earth. Depressed? Such rubbish, they're thieves, they can't get it. Like some kind of magic or something.

[ThriceShy]

Because they're scum of the earth. Depressed? Such rubbish, they're thieves, they can't get it. Like some kind of magic or something.

If you say so.

[Liam-]

Sorry, can you link to the post where I said the bit in bold?

Page 6 of this thread, 8th post down, that's where you said it.

[Marsh.]

If you say so.

It's there plain to see. Dee was convicted of theft and therefore clearly lied about an illness.

It's the only logical conclusion. :)

[ThriceShy]

Page 6 of this thread, 8th post down, that's where you said it.

Psst....

The 8th post down on page 6 wasn't posted by me.

[ThriceShy]

It's there plain to see. Dee was convicted of theft and therefore clearly lied about an illness.

It's the only logical conclusion. :)

Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

At least we agree she faked her illness.

[Marsh.]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

At least we agree she faked her illness.

Well that is the only piece of evidence for your conclusion. I asked for proof/clarity and you refer to the fact she's a thief.

Ergo thief = not depressed.

Logical.

[ThriceShy]

Well that is the only piece of evidence for your conclusion. I asked for proof/clarity and you refer to the fact she's a thief.

Ergo thief = not depressed.

Logical.

Good point.:smug:

[Liam-]

Psst....

The 8th post down on page 6 wasn't posted by me.

O m g
I'm so sorry, I could have sworn it was, my apologies :joker:

[ThriceShy]

O m g
I'm so sorry, I could have sworn it was, my apologies :joker:

Yes because Abhorson and Thriceshy are virtually identical words. Easy mistake to make.:laugh:

[the truth]

No I know the story, I'm just baffled at your assumption that every single one of those million people were faking depression.. That's what you seem to be saying anyway,

he didnt say that, youre lying yet again

[the truth]

That's what we were talking about.. You said thousands of people faked depression to get on benefits, I asked where your source was from and you went off on a tangent with this.. Hence my thinking that you're assuming all of those people were faking depression, since that is the main subject of what we're talking about currently.

Wrong. Youre the only one assuming, youre assuming he means every one of the million+ is a benefit thief. He didnt say that so youre assuming wrong, deliberately.

[Liam-]

Yes because Abhorson and Thriceshy are virtually identical words. Easy mistake to make.:laugh:

I get confused with who I'm talking to, with the whole, no picture or sig thing :laugh:
Again, my apologies.

[the truth]

Well that is the only piece of evidence for your conclusion. I asked for proof/clarity and you refer to the fact she's a thief.

Ergo thief = not depressed.

Logical.

£13000 was stolen

[Liam-]

he didnt say that, youre lying yet again

Nope not lying, I was mistaken, everyone makes makes mistakes sometimes and they're massively different from lying.

[Marsh.]

£13000 was stolen

Yes. Your point?

[ThriceShy]

I get confused with who I'm talking to, with the whole, no picture or sig thing :laugh:
Again, my apologies.

I find huge sigs to be rude and inconsiderate.

I should get an avatar though. I might wait until gary wins then have his winning exit as my avi.

[Marsh.]

Your sig doesn't have to be large and inconsiderate. :)

[Liam-]

I find huge sigs to be rude and inconsiderate.

I should get an avatar though. I might wait until gary wins then have his winning exit as my avi.

Would add a bit of colour to your profile! :D

[the truth]

Yes. Your point?

that is the point and youre missing it yet again

[ThriceShy]

Would add a bit of colour to your profile! :D

True.

I suppose I could also put on a little list of who my faves are while pretending that any of you actually care.:laugh:

[Marsh.]

that is the point and youre missing it yet again

Stealing £13000 has no bearing on whether she suffers from depression.

You can reply to me when you have thought and processed that information.

[ThriceShy]

Stealing £13000 has no bearing on whether she suffers from depression.

You can reply to me when you have thought and processed that information.

It must have had some bearing. Her depression started when she was convicted of the theft and lost her job.

[Marsh.]

It must have had some bearing. Her depression started when she was convicted of the theft and lost her job.

Did it? Source?

I was diagnosed with depression around two years ago and had been suffering with it for almost three years before that.

Diagnosis =/= start.

[the truth]

Stealing £13000 has no bearing on whether she suffers from depression.

You can reply to me when you have thought and processed that information.

Ill reply when I like and youre talking nonsense again. I mean can I really take seriously a person like you who supports GBH?

[the truth]

Did it? Source?

thats when she started milking benefit? do you want him to draw you a picture too?

[Marsh.]

Ill reply when I like and youre talking nonsense again. I mean can I really take seriously a person like you who supports GBH?

You can't take anything seriously. Typical of you.

[the truth]

You can't take anything seriously. Typical of you.

Again you make no sense. :sleep:

[Liam-]

True.

I suppose I could also put on a little list of who my faves are while pretending that any of you actually care.:laugh:

People only look at those lists once, but at least people would know who you stanned for previously, that's always a good thing!

[Marsh.]

thats when she started milking benefit? do you want him to draw you a picture too?

I asked when her illness began, not when she began claiming benefit. :pat:

Keep up.

[the truth]

I asked when her illness began, not when she began claiming benefit. :pat:

Keep up.

and he answered, keep up :cheer2:

[the truth]

People only look at those lists once, but at least people would know who you stanned for previously, that's always a good thing!

what does stanned mean?

[ThriceShy]

Did it? Source?

I was diagnosed with depression around two years ago and had been suffering with it for almost three years before that.

Diagnosis =/= start.

But if her depression started before then, then that means she was capable of working while depressed.

So, a scrounger.

[ThriceShy]

what does stanned mean?

Didn't Ulrika get stanned in paris?

[Liam-]

what does stanned mean?

Supported, no idea why.. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

But if her depression started before then, then that means she was capable of working while depressed.

So, a scrounger.

No, it simply means she was working.

You have no idea how she dealt/coped with that job or when her depression took hold. You're making presumptions.

[Marsh.]

and he answered, keep up :cheer2:

Bless.

[ThriceShy]

No, it simply means she was working.

You have no idea how she dealt/coped with that job or when her depression took hold. You're making presumptions.

She seemed to be doing the job fine, along with stealing from the safe to feed her smack habit.

It was only when she was convicted that she started claiming depression. What other assumption can we make?

[the truth]

She seemed to be doing the job fine, along with stealing from the safe to feed her smack habit.

It was only when she was convicted that she started claiming depression. What other assumption can we make?

its what happened. its disgusting.

[Marsh.]

She seemed to be doing the job fine

Apologies. I had no idea you worked with her.

along with stealing from the safe to feed her smack habit.

So she's an addict too? Wow, clearly fit to work. :idc:


It was only when she was convicted that she started claiming depression. What other assumption can we make?

Was it? Had she never mentioned it in her life before?
Or was she only diagnosed with depression at this point?

[ThriceShy]

Apologies. I had no idea you worked with her.



So she's an addict too? Wow, clearly fit to work. :idc:



Was it? Had she never mentioned it in her life before?
Or was she only diagnosed with depression at this point?

Why would I need to work with her?

She was described in court as a trusted and conscientious employee until the theft was discovered.

So her life, job and criminal enterprises all seemed to be fine until she got caught and faked depression.

[Marsh.]

Why would I need to work with her?

She was described in court as a trusted and conscientious employee until the theft was discovered.

So her life, job and criminal enterprises all seemed to be fine until she got caught and faked depression.

So that means she hadn't suffered from depression and been struggling with the job personally? Ok then. Other people's perceptions of her means they know what was going on inside? Ok then.

A lot of depressed people, and in my experience, some alcoholics, maintain a front to cover their problems.

[the truth]

So that means she hadn't suffered from depression and been struggling with the job personally? Ok then. Other people's perceptions of her means they know what was going on inside? Ok then.

A lot of depressed people, and in my experience, some alcoholics, maintain a front to cover their problems.

dont generalise not all depressed people are the same.

[Marsh.]

shes thretaneing violence, as did james, you condoned it.

Where?

this thread is about the vile dee and her abusive bullying and threats of violence to others.

Correction, this thread is about Dee and her time on benefits.

you support violence against men

Another thread entirely.

so its clear to see why you support dee.:nono:

I haven't said I support Dee.

[Marsh.]

dont generalise not all depressed people are the same.

I never generalised. Try processing information before trying to engage in a debate.

"A lot of" "in my experience" are not generalisations.

[the truth]

I never generalised. Try processing information before trying to engage in a debate.

You did, youre in denial and thats not a river in eqypt:nono:

[Marsh.]

:bored: "A lot of" and "in my experience" are not generalisations.

[ThriceShy]

So that means she hadn't suffered from depression and been struggling with the job personally? Ok then. Other people's perceptions of her means they know what was going on inside? Ok then.

A lot of depressed people, and in my experience, some alcoholics, maintain a front to cover their problems.

So why didn't she carry on maintaining that front and get another job to cope with?

[the truth]

So why didn't she carry on maintaining that front and get another job to cope with?

exactly.

[Marsh.]

So why didn't she carry on maintaining that front and get another job to cope with?

Why did I wait three years to go to the doctor's to get treated and then not continue on for another three years suffering in silence?

[the truth]

funny how she could also afford to chain smoke too

[Marsh.]

funny how she could also afford to chain smoke too

And some people spend benefit money on gifts and chocolate and tea and any number of other items that aren't necessary. :fist: Bastards!

[the truth]

And some people spend benefit money on gifts and chocolate and tea and any number of other items that aren't necessary. :fist: Bastards!

you said bastards? strange way to describe people on benefits? its very wasteful though to squander it on cancer sticks and garbage foods.

[ozzyshaggah]

I had no knowledge of her before she entered the house, and I can't be bothered to look into her story. My judgement of her character is based on what I see there, and I'm not a fan - I will leave it at that.

same:bawling:

[Marsh.]

Your experience doesn't really help us. Anyone can say anything on here.

I could announce on here that I was faking depression and did it just like dee did, and then I could feign outrage at a remark from you to me.

We can only discuss what we know. Your personal anecdotes are as much evidence as mine would be. i.e zero.

No, no. You're missing my point.

Neither of us can prove or say categorically anything about Dee or her illness. Whether she was faking or not.

However when you say "Dee can't be depressed because of x, y and z" then I CAN interject and say "Actually it is possible and common to be depressed even with x, y and z".

Do you see the difference? I hope that helps clear up any confusion. :)

[Barry Goosey]

So you decided to randomly come into a thread and insult me for no obvious reason?

Ok. All the best.

I didn't pick up on the depression thing as being a real issue just assumed itwas banter, sorry if I actually offended you it was not meant that way

[Marsh.]

I didn't pick up on the depression thing as being a real issue just assumed itwas banter, sorry if I actually offended you it was not meant that way

Thank you for your apology. Accepted.

[Barry Goosey]

Thank you for your apology. Accepted.
Cheers....walking off sheepishly now lol :)

[ThriceShy]

No, no. You're missing my point.

Neither of us can prove or say categorically anything about Dee or her illness. Whether she was faking or not.

However when you say "Dee can't be depressed because of x, y and z" then I CAN interject and say "Actually it is possible and common to be depressed even with x, y and z".

Do you see the difference? I hope that helps clear up any confusion. :)

And then I can choose not to believe you because you are just an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

Anecdotes on a forum aren't evidence of anything. They are just a lazy way of debating.

[Marsh.]

And then I can choose not to believe you because you are just an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

Anecdotes on a forum aren't evidence of anything. They are just a lazy way of debating.

You don't have to take my anecdote. A bit of research and common sense tells you that there are no set rules with anything.

Believe me or don't believe me, I couldn't care less. Facts are, generalisations to prove a point about someone we don't know do not work.

A lazy way of debating is saying "Depressed people don't do this or that" as though there is a set pattern of behaviour/symptoms/events. There aren't.

[ThriceShy]

You don't have to take my anecdote. A bit of research and common sense tells you that there are no set rules with anything.

Believe me or don't believe me, I couldn't care less. Facts are, generalisations to prove a point about someone we don't know do not work.

A lazy way of debating is saying "Depressed people don't do this or that" as though there is a set pattern of behaviour/symptoms/events. There aren't.

All I pointed out is that Dee only went on the sick with depression after she was caught for thieving.

Anyone without the obvious agenda you have would accept the causal link.

[Marsh.]

All I pointed out is that Dee only went on the sick with depression after she was caught for thieving.

And using it as proof that she isn't depressed. I then used an example of people who struggle to live with the depression for a while before getting diagnosed as a counter argument that it is possible and therefore not evidence she was a fake.


Anyone without the obvious agenda you have would accept the causal link.

What agenda would that be? Pointing out some of the erroneous things being claimed about a very real illness?

[kistar]

People with depression do not go on the piss in magaluf. lol

Dumbfounded by this remark , especially knowing that depression can be a very underlying undiagnosed illness that people learn to manage at some level , also in a sea of uncertainty and lack of self belief or belief in anything much sometimes you go along with stuff because you don't have the energy to say no.I'm guessing the law of averages would suggest there would definitely be people who are depressed in Magaluf right this minute.

[Marsh.]

Dumbfounded by this remark , especially knowing that depression can be a very underlying undiagnosed illness that people learn to manage at some level , also in a sea of uncertainty and lack of self belief or belief in anything much sometimes you go along with stuff because you don't have the energy to say no.I'm guessing the law of averages would suggest there would definitely be people who are depressed in Magaluf right this minute.

:clap1:

[ThriceShy]

Dumbfounded by this remark , especially knowing that depression can be a very underlying undiagnosed illness that people learn to manage at some level , also in a sea of uncertainty and lack of self belief or belief in anything much sometimes you go along with stuff because you don't have the energy to say no.I'm guessing the law of averages would suggest there would definitely be people who are depressed in Magaluf right this minute.

Have you ever actually seen depression?

People have hijacked it for scrounging purposes. A few years ago it was a "bad back" that scroungers used. When that was rumbled everyone moved on to depression.

Real depression is a very sad sight and I wouldn't even wish it on the lying scroungers.

[Marsh.]

Have you ever actually seen depression?

People have hijacked it for scrounging purposes. A few years ago it was a "bad back" that scroungers used. When that was rumbled everyone moved on to depression.

Real depression is a very sad sight and I wouldn't even wish it on the lying scroungers.

And you've personally assessed Dee and determined which side she falls on?

Some people cheat the system =/= Dee automatically cheated the system.

There are people who don't cheat the system therefore it stands to reason Dee doesn't cheat the system.

That's silly logic in any debate.

[ThriceShy]

You're the one who made it personal, my comment was just a genuine observation, your comment was malicious and nasty, big difference.

It is a fact. Benefit scroungers have hijacked depression and other anxiety type problems.

That doesn't mean all people with depression are faking it. And it doesn't mean all people on benefits for it are scrounging.

[Marsh.]

That doesn't mean all people with depression are faking it. And it doesn't mean all people on benefits for it are scrounging.

Well done. We got there in the end.

[Niamh.]

Cleaned the thread, can everyone stay on topic please and stop getting personal with eachother