Will Wales follow suit?

[lily.]

If Scotland votes YES, do you think Wales will have a referendum with a view to going independent too?

[LukeB]

hope not!

[Liam-]

No way, we haven't got nearly enough substance in order to keep us ahead as an individual.
As much as I'd personally love us too, there's no possible way we could, we couldn't base and upkeep a country based solely off of tourism.

[lily.]

A lot of people are saying that it might happen... I guess we will see... I really wish it was all over up here... tensions are running high..

[Locke.]

We can only hope, they are the worst ones

[LukeB]

if they have the money to do it because they need to have funds for things and england wont give them anything

[LaLaLand]

We can only hope, they are the worst ones

K then...

& no, we won't. We're quite content as we are I feel.

[Jarrod]

We can only hope, they are the worst ones

:laugh: Okay....


In answer to the question, absolutely not. Wales and England are tight together, and Wales - in all honesty - would never be able to cope alone. It would never work if Wales decided to be independent.

[Liam-]

I mean, I know why people want independance from Britain, myself personally I'd love for Wales to be, purely because of the fact that Wales is generally the forgotten country, take American's for example, I've spoken to a lot of American people on social media and stuff and whenever they notice than I'm from Wales, the most common answer, without fail is 'What part of England is that?' and it pisses me off :joker:
But, it is in no way feesable or logical to want to separate ourselves from Britain, so hopefully it never gets as far as the situation with Scotland.

[lostalex]

Most Brits don't even know where Wales is, they really have no identity on the world stage, unlike Scotland which has much more of an identity.

I don't think Wales could go it alone as they are now.

Scotland has always been a very loud, independent culture, while Wales has always been just a quiet shy region. Maybe and independent Scotland could encourage Wales to find it's voice though.

[MB.]

Wales would only have a breakdown and beg us to take them back anyway

[LukeB]

We can only hope, they are the worst ones

:laugh: next joke please? wales is a lovely place

[Jarrod]

Most Brits don't even know where Wales is, they really have no identity on the world stage, unlike Scotland which has much more of an identity.

I don't think Wales could go it alone as they are now.

I wouldn't say that. Thanks to things such as the BBC, Wales is now known much more around the world - especially in Australia and America. I hear loads of Australians in my village every summer, discussing their tourist plans.

Most Brits DO know where Wales is, that's just a silly statement.

[Livia]

I think the burning question should be, will England follow suit?

[Novo]

If it means the likes of Wrexham being thrown out of English football and put in the Welsh league then yes please

[lostalex]

I wouldn't say that. Thanks to things such as the BBC, Wales is now known much more around the world - especially in Australia and America. I hear loads of Australians in my village every summer, discussing their tourist plans.

Most Brits DO know where Wales is, that's just a silly statement.

i was just saying my impression. but aside from Dr. Who fans, i really don't think most people know where Wales is. I don't think even most Welsh people could find Wales on an unmarked map.

[lostalex]

I think the burning question should be, will England follow suit?

follow suit how? You mean will England have a referendum to leave the UK? lol

I'm pretty sure that's impossible. That would be like the Queen deciding she wants to be the Queen of Scotland after the referendum. lol I wonder if she could do that. what if the queen said, i'm Going with THEM, **** England! LMAO

[Jordan.]

Out with the irrels

[MB.]

i was just saying my impression. but aside from Dr. Who fans, i really don't think most people know where Wales is. I don't think even most Welsh people could find Wales on an unmarked map.

They're not American :umm2: I think almost everyone could work out that the sticky-out-bit on the side of England is Wales

[bots]

follow suit how? You mean will England have a referendum to leave the UK? lol

I'm pretty sure that's impossible. That would be like the Queen deciding she wants to be the Queen of Scotland after the referendum. lol I wonder if she could do that. what if the queen said, i'm Going with THEM, **** England! LMAO

That's exactly what will happen on a Yes vote, she will become the queen of Scotland

[Novo]

follow suit how? You mean will England have a referendum to leave the UK? lol

I'm pretty sure that's impossible. That would be like the Queen deciding she wants to be the Queen of Scotland after the referendum. lol I wonder if she could do that. what if the queen said, i'm Going with THEM, **** England! LMAO

Our queen would never leave us, how dare you talk such crap

[Cal.]

I'm in England so don't really care, we're the best ones anyway xoxox

[Jarrod]

I'm in England so don't really care, we're the best ones anyway xoxox

We in Wales have a higher life expectancy xoxoxo

[MTVN]

There is some support for it in Wales I think but nowhere near enough, a Yes vote is more likely to raise questions about Northern Ireland again

[Locke.]

:laugh: next joke please? wales is a lovely place

Some lovely views down there but sadly we cannot say the same for the people

[Kyle]

We in Wales have a higher life expectancy xoxoxo

I've heard it's something to do with Charlotte Church. Whenever she opens her mouth the shock of it makes your body go into hibernation mode and thus freezes your body in time for a couple of hours until the brain determines she has got bored and left.

[Livia]

follow suit how? You mean will England have a referendum to leave the UK? lol

I'm pretty sure that's impossible. That would be like the Queen deciding she wants to be the Queen of Scotland after the referendum. lol I wonder if she could do that. what if the queen said, i'm Going with THEM, **** England! LMAO

Well if it's all about going it alone, then surely England, with by far the largest population, should have a say. So far the future of the UK is being decided by a population far smaller than the population of London... so I wouldn't mind England deciding its own future.

The Queen can go with Scotland if she likes. We're keeping the jewels though.

[Calderyon]

I think they are too dependable of England in terms of everything (in terms of free travel, army, government, economy, infrastructure for example) to cope with themselves, so i don´t see it.

I know Scotland is too, but i think is Wales a bit more.

They might want it, but i don´t think they´ll do it.

[Locke.]

Me & Novo are off to Wales soon actually I hope we will receive some lovely Welsh hospitality

[andybigbro]

No, the welsh can see that the uk is #bettertogether

[Livia]

No, the welsh can see that the uk is #bettertogether

Totally agree with you Andy.

[lostalex]

What if the UK was like Canada, and Wales demanded that it become bilingual, and made laws like in canada that all signs must be in english and welsh across the whole nation? would england accept that? (in canada it's the law that all signs must be in both english and french)

and england is talking about devo max for scotland if they vote no, does that mean that wales and northern ireland also get the same devo max???

[MTVN]

What if the UK was like Canada, and Wales demanded that it become bilingual, and made laws like in canada that all signs must be in english and welsh across the whole nation? would england accept that? (in canada it's the law that all signs must be in both english and french)

Er they are all in English and Welsh

[lostalex]

Er they are all in English and Welsh

only in wales are they both, not across the whole UK, dude.

[MTVN]

only in wales are they both, not across the whole UK, dude.

Well that would be dumb

[Liam-]

only in wales are they both, not across the whole UK, dude.

Wales isn't as egotistical as Canada though :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Most Americans don't even know where Wales is

FIFY. :thumbs:

[Marsh.]

:joker: They couldn't survive as an independent country.

[King Gizzard]

Not much point

I like Wales anyway..more than Scotland (just generally, not Scottish people exactly) probably helps that I have family there/I'm part Welsh

[Marsh.]

only in wales are they both, not across the whole UK, dude.

19% of people in Wales speak Welsh, so what would be the point in sticking Welsh signs all over the UK when the number of speakers is dropping more rapidly?

[lostalex]

19% of people in Wales speak Welsh, so what would be the point in sticking Welsh signs all over the UK when the number of speakers is dropping more rapidly?

This comment says a lot, because Welsh people should feel comfortable traveling across the entire UK, that's why. just like there are accommodations made for blind people everywhere, and deaf people everywhere, and wheel chair access every where, wouldn't you want to make welsh people feel accommodated everywhere in their own nation? But welsh are not made to feel comfortable or accommodated in their own nation, are they? that's why the welsh language is dying. it's not being nurtured or accommodated in the UK at all is it.

[Livia]

This comment says a lot, because Welsh people should feel comfortable traveling across the entire UK, that's why. just like there are accommodations made for blind people everywhere, and deaf people everywhere, and wheel chair access every where, wouldn't you want to make welsh people feel accommodated everywhere in their own nation? But welsh are not made to feel comfortable or accommodated in their own nation, are they?

There are more people in Britain who speak Polish as a first language than those who speak Welsh as their first language in Wales. If we're going to make all signs bilingual across the UK, Welsh wouldn't be the first choice. Or the tenth choice, for that matter. How many people speak Spanish in California? Are all your signs bilingual?

[Marsh.]

This comment says a lot, because Welsh people should feel comfortable traveling across the entire UK, that's why. just like there are accommodations made for blind people everywhere, and deaf people everywhere, and wheel chair access every where, wouldn't you want to make welsh people feel accommodated everywhere in their own nation? But welsh are not made to feel comfortable or accommodated in their own nation, are they? that's why the welsh language is dying. it's not being nurtured or accommodated in the UK at all is it.

:joker:

I forgot to mention, the vast majority of those who do speak Welsh speak it as a second language.

I do love it when you try though.

Keep up the campaign work for the unaccomodated Welsh. Have you ever met a Welsh person or spotted Wales on a map? :joker:

[Liam-]

This comment says a lot, because Welsh people should feel comfortable traveling across the entire UK, that's why. just like there are accommodations made for blind people everywhere, and deaf people everywhere, and wheel chair access every where, wouldn't you want to make welsh people feel accommodated everywhere in their own nation? But welsh are not made to feel comfortable or accommodated in their own nation, are they? that's why the welsh language is dying. it's not being nurtured or accommodated in the UK at all is it.

As a Welsh person, i feel that this is a load of bull, the language is not dying out because there aren't signs with Welsh on them :laugh:
There aren't signs with Welsh on them in England because an even smaller percentage of the people in England speak Welsh, so why should they change all of their signs, when the the major majority of people won't have a clue of what it says?
I'd feel comfortable in every part of Britain and if i didn't, it certainly wouldn't because there weren't Welsh words plastered everywhere :joker:

[Liam-]

:joker:

I forgot to mention, the vast majority of those who do speak Welsh speak it as a second language.

I do love it when you try though.

Keep up the campaign work for the unaccomodated Welsh. Have you ever met a Welsh person or spotted Wales on a map? :joker:

Actually Marsh, It's an equal split of people who speak Welsh as a first and second language in Wales, maybe even more people doing so as their first language js :tongue:

[Marsh.]

Actually Marsh, It's an equal split of people who speak Welsh as a first and second language in Wales, maybe even more people doing so as their first language js :tongue:

Yes, but how large is this group of Welsh speakers in the first place? :laugh: A very small one.

[Benjamin]

A lot of people are saying that it might happen... I guess we will see... I really wish it was all over up here... tensions are running high..

Not a chance anywhere in the near future I'm afraid.

[Liam-]

Yes, but how large is this group of Welsh speakers in the first place? :laugh: A very small one.

True, you'd find that the majority of people in west/east Wales speak Welsh fluently, but not many others anywhere else, unless I'm mistaken.
There are some places that if you go there and you speak English, you'd get weird looks from the locals like, because they literally don't understand a word you're saying :laugh:

[lostalex]

As a Welsh person, i feel that this is a load of bull, the language is not dying out because there aren't signs with Welsh on them :laugh:
There aren't signs with Welsh on them in England because an even smaller percentage of the people in England speak Welsh, so why should they change all of their signs, when the the major majority of people won't have a clue of what it says?
I'd feel comfortable in every part of Britain and if i didn't, it certainly wouldn't because there weren't Welsh words plastered everywhere :joker:

so you feel that Welsh is respected equally along with English?

[Benjamin]

Me & Novo are off to Wales soon actually I hope we will receive some lovely Welsh hospitality

I'm sure the sheep you are off to visit will be very accommodating. ;)

[Marsh.]

so you feel that Welsh is respected equally along with English?

Yes Liam, let the Californian tell you about your own country. :fist:

[lostalex]

:joker:

I forgot to mention, the vast majority of those who do speak Welsh speak it as a second language.

I do love it when you try though.

Keep up the campaign work for the unaccomodated Welsh. Have you ever met a Welsh person or spotted Wales on a map? :joker:

I am the devil, and this body is my son on earth, so he is my advocate. forgive him/

[Liam-]

so you feel that Welsh is respected equally along with English?

Within Britain yes.
World-wide we're not a very well known country, you steal our celebrities and call them your own, which is rude :laugh:
We are only known worldwide for Dr. Who and Torchwood, which is a bit sad, because we are a good country based off of all of our other attributes.
But in Britain yeah, we are respected equally with England, i don't quite understand why you think we're not like.

[lostalex]

Within Britain yes.
World-wide we're not a very well known country, you steal our celebrities and call them your own, which is rude :laugh:
We are only known worldwide for Dr. Who and Torchwood, which is a bit sad, because we are a good country based off of all of our other attributes.
But in Britain yeah, we are respected equally with England, i don't quite understand why you think we're not like.

You should want more. When is the last time a movie was made in the Welsh language despite all the productions in english being made there?

You are being exploited. You are like the Native American Indians, pacified and squashed. cornered and contained.

[Marsh.]

Yes, let's make a movie in a language only 10 people speak. :hehe:

[lostalex]

Yes, let's make a movie in a language only 10 people speak. :hehe:

this is how english people really see you. Welsh is a joke, you see?

[Marsh.]

You should want more. When is the last time a movie was made in the Welsh language despite all the productions in english being made there?

You are being exploited. You are like the Native American Indians, pacified and squashed. cornered and contained.

Have you never watched Pobol Y Cwm? :suspect:

[Tom4784]

I couldn't imagine it happening, I'm not even sure Scotland could exist independently, never mind Wales. If Scotland thrives in independence I could see a small following for independence forming in Wales although I can't ever see it getting the traction Scotland's bid has gotten.

[Livia]

Wales doesn't have much to sell. They couldn't survive on tourism and sheep. No coal mines now, and if they were independent the Royal Mint, the DVLA and BBC Wales would leave. Like Andy said... better together.

[Liam-]

You should want more. When is the last time a movie was made in the Welsh language despite all the productions in english being made there?

You are being exploited. You are like the Native American Indians, pacified and squashed. cornered and contained.

Exploited for what exactly? our delicious lamb? or disgustingly overrated welshcakes? our traditional Eisteddfod dress up clothes? our abundance of leek and daffodil badges? I don't quite understand how you can say that the country i have lived in for 19 years is being exploited, when you probably couldn't tell me a single thing about Wales if you didn't google it.

[lostalex]

Exploited for what exactly? our delicious lamb? or disgustingly overrated welshcakes? our traditional Eisteddfod dress up clothes? our abundance of leek and daffodil badges? I don't quite understand how you can say that the country i have lived in for 19 years is being exploited, when you probably couldn't tell me a single thing about Wales if you didn't google it.

the fact that i can't should tell you how much you are being exploited and crushed, dude.

You just made the point for me.

[Liam-]

Have you never watched Pobol Y Cwm? :suspect:

No-one watches Pobol Y Cwm, not even the Welsh speakers would endure that **** :laugh:

[Livia]

Lostalex leading the revolution...

[lostalex]

Lostalex leading the revolution...

No, just leading the conversation :P

[Marsh.]

So it's up to England to ensure that Californian's know things about Wales? :think:

The American education system is probably your first port of call. :hehe:

[Liam-]

the fact that i can't should tell you how much you are being exploited and crushed, dude.

You just made the point for me.

You still haven't given me any facts as to how as a country, Wales is being exploited.
If you gave me some substantial facts that backed up what you're saying, i might entertain the notion, but until then i will keep my army of rabid sheep in the pen, they can **** on the houses of parliament another day.

[Marsh.]

No-one watches Pobol Y Cwm, not even the Welsh speakers would endure that **** :laugh:

:fist: I loved that sheep storyline.

[Liam-]

:fist: I loved that sheep storyline.

'Alwyn Jones, get outta that sheep now, you dirty sheep shagga' Totally gripping :hehe:

[Livia]

You still haven't given me any facts as to how as a country, Wales is being exploited.
If you gave me some substantial facts that backed up what you're saying, i might entertain the notion, but until then i will keep my army of rabid sheep in the pen, they can **** on the houses of parliament another day.

Oh PLEEEASE let me be there to see that.

[lostalex]

I believe that some day the Welsh could have a strong self identity and also be a great nation, maybe even greater than england. but they seem so resigned to just being part of the UK, England's sidekick.

or maybe not. maybe they don't have it in them.

[Liam-]

Oh PLEEEASE let me be there to see that.

I'll give you a glove so you can lob some if you want? Sheep dung smells better than anything else's dw :hehe:

[Livia]

I believe that some day the Welsh could have a strong self identity and also be a great nation, maybe even greater than england. but they seem so resigned to just being part of the UK, England's sidekick.

or maybe not. maybe they don't have it in them.

There are only three million of them. There are more people in Los Angeles. We've got their back. Don't try anything....

I'll give you a glove so you can lob some if you want? Sheep dung smells better than anything else's dw :hehe:

I'm in!

[Liam-]

I believe that some day the Welsh could have a strong self identity and also be a great nation, maybe even greater than england. but they seem so resigned to just being part of the UK, England's sidekick.

or maybe not. maybe they don't have it in them.

That's the thing, we don't have it in us, if we had the means to do so, i fully believe that we would seperate ourselves from Britain as soon as we could, but we know we can't because we haven't got the resources that would allow us to fully sustain ourselves, if we want to survive as a country, then we need to be a part of Britain, those are the facts, that is all we deal in, not this theoretical game of chicken that you seem to be trying to insinuate.

[Marsh.]

I know his game. He thinks Liam should rise up and create a Welsh government, take Wales out of Britain and then watch Wales collapse and then he'll buy the land up and create a holiday resort. :fist:

[lostalex]

That's the thing, we don't have it in us, if we had the means to do so, i fully believe that we would seperate ourselves from Britain as soon as we could, but we know we can't because we haven't got the resources that would allow us to fully sustain ourselves, if we want to survive as a country, then we need to be a part of Britain, those are the facts, that is all we deal in, not this theoretical game of chicken that you seem to be trying to insinuate.

wel, if you don't have what you need, perhaps you could consider an invasion. England has taken the best for itself, maybe it's time you asked for your share of it, violently if necessary. Maybe it's time Wales fought back and took what is theirs. The truth is England is a false state instituted by german and french colonists on the island of Great Britain.

[Marsh.]

wel, if you don't have what you need, perhaps you could consider an invasion. England has taken the best for itself, maybe it's time you asked for your share of it, violently if necessary.

That would work if it belonged to Wales in the first place. :hehe:

[Livia]

wel, if you don't have what you need, perhaps you could consider an invasion. England has taken the best for itself, maybe it's time you asked for your share of it, violently if necessary.

LOL... you're in fine form today, Alex, if I may say...

[lostalex]

LOL... you're in fine form today, Alex, if I may say...

It's all in good fun ;)

[Liam-]

I know his game. He thinks Liam should rise up and create a Welsh government, take Wales out of Britain and then watch Wales collapse and then he'll buy the land up and create a holiday resort. :fist:

Damn Americans! :fist:

wel, if you don't have what you need, perhaps you could consider an invasion. England has taken the best for itself, maybe it's time you asked for your share of it, violently if necessary.

George Bush.. is that you? :o

How could Wales, as a tiny country, invade England? what do you want us to do, march over the bridge singing Tom Jones and attack them with leeks? We haven't got a ****ing army, for one :laugh:
Neither do we need to resort to violence to sort out any so called grievances you seem to be imaging we have with the English.
America might not be able to rely on each other if any of the states went tits up, but Britain sticks together and right now, apart from the Scottish situation and the chronic national debt, we're stronger than ever :wavey:

[Brother Leon]

They should all **** off tbh.


England till I die famz xo

[Livia]

It's all in good fun ;)

I know... you amuse me.

[lostalex]

Damn Americans! :fist:



George Bush.. is that you? :o

How could Wales, as a tiny country, invade England? what do you want us to do, march over the bridge singing Tom Jones and attack them with leeks? We haven't got a ****ing army, for one.
Neither do we need to resort to violence to sort out any so called grievances you seem to be imaging we have with the English.
America might not be able to rely on each other if any of the states went tits up, but Britain sticks together and right now, apart from the Scottish situation and the chronic national debt, we're stronger than ever :wavey:

geroge bush is so forever ago, you don't see me bring up tony blair or gordon brown do you? how dare you.

[Liam-]

geroge bush is so forever ago, you don't see me bring up tony blair or gordon brown do you? how dare you.

You could do, neither are Welsh so idc :laugh:

[Jarrod]

They should all **** off tbh.


England till I die famz xo

:idc: I can't over the rudeness towards people from Wales.

[Liam-]

That would work if it belonged to Wales in the first place. :hehe:

You lot eat our lamb, give it back! :fist:

[joeysteele]

Who Knows what knock on effect this will have on the left over bits of what was the UK if Scotland votes yes.

Wales is another land that generally gets the short straw from govts. at Westminster,however I believe there is little appetite in Wales for any independence vote, even the Welsh Nationalists say that.

What we will likely get from England,and I am English born, will be the likes of Cornwall and Devon screaming for separate powers for them, likely some rumblings in the far South East.

That will possibly then be followed by the joining in from other more Northern areas who also,like Wales and Scotland get the backlash from Westminster govts,especially Conservative ones and this Coalition in particular.

England for sure rarely thinks or acts as one Nation,ironically a 'yes' vote from Scotland, could possibly more likely see a breaking up of England into separate 'governing bodies' all over the place than Wales.

[James]

You still haven't given me any facts as to how as a country, Wales is being exploited.
If you gave me some substantial facts that backed up what you're saying, i might entertain the notion, but until then i will keep my army of rabid sheep in the pen, they can **** on the houses of parliament another day.

Oh PLEEEASE let me be there to see that.

One of things that is really annoying me now about this debate in Scotland is that the word 'Westminster' is now being used as a kind of term of abuse.

It's that cynicism that is driving the yes campaign.

I think the Westminster parliament must be one of the oldest and greatest parliaments in the world - a beacon of democracy.

Yes, people are cynical about politicians but I'm sure that happens in all democracies where free-speech exists. It's because Westminster has most of the responsibility to make the big decisions and also gets most of the media publicity that it gets the cynicism directed at it.

If Scotland got a completely independent government and parliament it's politicians would get the same cynicism. Guaranteed.

[Livia]

One of things that is really annoying me now about this debate in Scotland is that the word 'Westminster' is now being used as a kind of term of abuse.

It's that cynicism that is driving the yes campaign.

I think the Westminster parliament must be one of the oldest and greatest parliaments in the world - a beacon of democracy.

Yes, people are cynical about politicians but I'm sure that happens in all democracies where free-speech exists. It's because Westminster has most of the responsibility to make the big decisions and also gets most of the media publicity that it gets the cynicism directed at it.

If Scotland got a completely independent government and parliament it's politicians would get the same cynicism. Guaranteed.

Yes, I agree with that completely. And yes, it really is the Mother of Parliaments. My post was more a personal comment... I worked for the Tories till last year and spent a lot of time in Westminster and it was, to say the least, frustrating. I still work for the government and sometimes I still get an overwhelming urge to fling poo at politicians.

[Marsh.]

geroge bush is so forever ago, you don't see me bring up tony blair or gordon brown do you? how dare you.

No, you don't know who they are. :hehe:

[Liam-]

No, you don't know who they are. :hehe:

Any money he knows who Catherine Zeta Jones and Chritian Bale are though, stealing the Welshies is not appreciated :inamood:

[Marsh.]

Anthony Hopkins. :flutter:

[Liam-]

Exactly! all the best people are Welsh :hehe:

[lostalex]

Yes, I agree with that completely. And yes, it really is the Mother of Parliaments. My post was more a personal comment... I worked for the Tories till last year and spent a lot of time in Westminster and it was, to say the least, frustrating. I still work for the government and sometimes I still get an overwhelming urge to fling poo at politicians.

no, the parliament will never be legitimate until you get rid of the Lords. it's a disgrace until then. it's pathetic elitist bull****.

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[Livia]

no, the parliament will never be legitimate until you get rid of the Lords. it's a disgrace until then. it's pathetic elitist bull****.

We'll have to agree to differ on that one.

[lostalex]

We'll have to agree to differ on that one.

let go of what I used to be.

does it make you feel better?

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[Marsh.]

And those damn Royals. :fist:

Oh wait, they hold no power. :hehe:

[Jamesy]

All the Wales/Welsh hate in here... :umm2:

There's no where near enough support here for Wales to become independent and the Welsh government know that. Personally as a Welsh-man I like things how they are now, we have a few good things just in Wales (free prescriptions) but are still generally controlled by central government. Don't really see any benefit we would gain from independence.

[Livia]

let go of what I used to be.

does it make you feel better?



Lovin' that.

[lostalex]

Lovin' that.

when it rains it pours.


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[the truth]

Alex is doing a good job here as agent provocateur
IF scotland goes independent , then I think it definitely increases the chances of England and Wales one day going it alone. Scotland has enormous land mass, gas, wind energy, coal mines that can be re-opened , oil, world class education, large agricultural output, strong tourism, umpteen world known brands, strong banking sector etc
unemployment rate in scotland is 6% lower than englands 6.2% and wales at 6.7%

scotland has become far richer since devolution, wales poorer. why?

scotland has more powers , more law making powers, its also slightly less reliant than wales was on industries. wales suffered on a gargantuan level when the industries were destroyed with no plan b. wales was number 1 in the world in tin copper and coal production at one stage..its slate , gold and steel industries were also world class. swansea produced 67% of the worlds copper at one stage thanks to their revolutionary techniques. this copper was used to bottom out the unsinkable ships that built the british empire and all of nelsons cannonballs were made in places like tredegar and merthyr.

in england we will be fine either way. we have always had the wealth and london is the strongest powerhouse in europe still. the monarchy still affects enormously the uk or the broken up uk. they empower the house of lords, they own million of acres, they influence the rich landowners....but their anto democratic grip is slipping thankfully.

i have to admit though I grew disenfranchised with southern england many years ago. I moved from wandsworth 15 years ago to live in wales and never ever ever looked back. the quality fo life in wales is 1001 times better. people speak to each other, strangers help and say hello, the landscape is cleaner and emptier, the beaches are unspoilt and the traffic smog is barely seen. its a bit llike cornwall but i found cornwall too remote.

the sense of patriotism is even stronger in wales than in scotland. but the wealth the education system is not. wales seems to be endless small businesses but very few massive welsh companies. only rceently obama became the first sitting US president to visit wales. that fact alone is staggering , when theyve visited england and scotland 1000s of times.

I reject somewhat the anti english tirdae fo some nationliats though. yes the monarchy imposes horrific abuses for centuries. but those days are over. the economic situation is of course still whats leftover. but its time the smaller nations laid down that frustration and made their own nations a success. we english are bound to be blamed for a lot as we controlled matters, we owned the wealth and with all that power theres a price to be paid.

did you know the entire english/british crown and the chariots are all pure welsh gold? what did the welsh get in return? bog all....

so scotland will lead on this, if they go england and wales may one day seperate. but not for many years. the legal ties are too tight, the cultures are somewhat closer and more overlapping, the angst and acrimony of the civil wars and monarchy oppression is distant past.....the welsh have their language which seems to be surviving. us english well we have wonderful places and culture. we need to move away from monarchy as a national obsession and look at what truly makes us rich. our culture, our artists, our world class business people, our once great nhs, our writers, sportspeople, etc I do think wales is too socialist and the south too right wing...but this gap will narrow over the years.....schemes like the severn barrage MUST happen in time as must clean energy and reopening the most prodctive coal mines will become compulsory. the seams are too rich. try this trash belgan coal to welsh coal it burns 4 times quicker


i dont see an appetite for wales / england breakway on either side. frankly theres a million and one far more pressing issues.