Ed Miliband Speech far to long

[arista]

Also its a insult that he keeps saying "Friends"
after his pledges.


That sounds wrong.


Its has now finished.

[Locke.]

Wrong section, would a kind mod please move this to Chat and Games

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also its a insult that he keeps saying "Friends"
after his pledges.


That sounds wrong.


Its has now finished.

He is an electoral disaster

He is too weak to be a leader


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8xBSmZr9p0w/maxresdefault.jpg

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/22/337434/default/v2/guardian-1-329x437.jpg
This is more Important News today

[arista]

Wrong section, would a kind mod please move this to Chat and Games



Its a Current News Story.
how dare you nick my "kind mod " term.


Tomorrows Papers will be added
this evening

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/23/ed-miliband-promises-time-care-fund-transform-nhs
http://news.sky.com/story/1340783/miliband-pays-tribute-to-british-hostage
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2766565/Ed-Miliband-s-Labour-conference-speech-unveils-plans-36-000-extra-NHS-staff.html
Links for this debate

[Nedusa]

He is an electoral disaster

He is too weak to be a leader


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8xBSmZr9p0w/maxresdefault.jpg

I agree, it's kinda ironic that Labour have the best chance to win a General Election for years but with the worst leader I can remember .

They may actually snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by sticking with him.

Maybe Ed Balls will take over .

[arista]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02083/milm_2083008a.jpg


Many voters view him as a sheep

[JoshBB]

If it bored you, don't watch the whole thing?? :facepalm:

[arista]

If it bored you, don't watch the whole thing?? :facepalm:


We need to,
to see what he said.

[smudgie]

Perhaps if he didn't use the word together so much..:sleep:

[joeysteele]

I take the totally opposite view, for me this was a Prime Ministerial quality speech that for once from a politician involved no gimmicks, no show and false frills to it.

It was far from too long and anyway he had a lot to deal with, I also have no problem at all with the word friends and also the word together,as I am someone who believes togetherness is a better way to go forward as to things anyway.

He detailed all that was wrong still and had been wrong, with the way the present govt. had hit hardest the least able to be hit.

In my time at Uni and in the work I have done the last year or more now,I have come across the devastation in peoples lives through the bedroom tax.
To hear Ed Miliband say he will scrap this ridiculous policy, which is costing likely more to implement than it is saving, was excellent.

To hear of his plans for the NHS was music to my ears, I care nothing for how he raises funding for the NHS,he could raise taxes for me, as long as the NHS is protected from the creeping privatisation of the Conservative party.

I agree with his mansion tax, I agree with at last the rooting out of tax avoidance too,my goodness,all he had to say extra for me was that he would look at scrapping the TV licence.

It was a speech that he clearly meant every word of, it was clear to me, he believed in all he was saying.
Not a perfect speech but then none ever are, rather subdued at times but serious times call for serious speeches.

There is a criticism he didn't mention the deficit,it is however a given since he is not going to dismiss all this govts. programme as to austerity, that he and his govt. will keep chipping away at the deficit as this govt has done.

Therein lies the telling thing however, in 2010 according to this govt, there would have been no deficit to talk about, they said all their programme and the severe austerity measures had to be done immediately, to cope with any problems in the Eurozone and to ensure the deficit was all but cleared in 2014/15.

Where are we, for 18 months at least now we are told this lot have taken a third off the deficit.
Nowhere near clearing it and they will be asking next year for the same time again to do all the same things.

If I was a Conservative I would keep quiet as to their failure and bad failure as to clearing the deficit.
Even Gordon Brown planned to half the deficit in 4 years, this lot are not likely to achieve that in a whole 5 years.

I loved however the stressing of the support from Labour for the NHS, that is the issue that had me thinking in 2010 and it is for me an even more important issue now and for 2015.
It is not in any way safe with the Conservatives,it is even less safe with UKIP, and the Lib Dems cannot be trusted with it either,so really I have only one place to go if I care for the NHS and it being saved from a more full scale privatisation.

I hope he does win in 2015, I hope and I believe he will, deliver all he listed today in his speech, I agree with the vote going to 16 and 17 year olds and for me it was another thought provoking speech.

I don't care as to Ed Miliband's popularity level,the last poll said 25% saw him as PM material, while although higher again only 37% rated Cameron.
That effectively means, over half of voters don't much like any of the leaders anyway.

I hoped the NHS would feature heavily in 2015,the problems all over the NHS are showing up again as they did up to 1997 when it was left on its knees after 18 years of consecutive Conservative Govt.

This post may be too long too for some, I however make no apology for it.
I also say I applaud Ed Miliband for this in depth speech he made today, it may not have been one of his very best but one thing it really was, was sincere.


If Ed Miliband and Labour win the next election, and I think they will, and hope they will.
I think a whole new opinion of him will be evident as to him as to being PM material.
Unlike this incompetent,procrastinating waste of space who is the current holder of the post.

[Jack_]

I thought it was a great speech :clap1: his plans for the NHS are admirable and essential, giving the vote to 16 and 17 year olds was something I was hoping for but not expecting and the LGBT rights envoy was just a great bonus

Oh and I couldn't stop laughing when he was explaining how Cameron had been 'caught out'. 'He changed his logo to a tree and then tried to sell off the forests' :laugh3:

I basically agree with all of Joey's post

[Kizzy]

Agree with Joey too, if Ed's for the NHS he'll do for me!
The silly pics and name calling are very juvenile.. He's a serious politician, it takes a long time to explain how you're going to effectively restructure the whole UK from the dilapidated shack it is now back to something concrete and durable.

[user104658]

I still maintain that Ed Milliband would be much higher rated if he was better looking. Or just normal looking (let's face it, Mr Cameron is no stunner).

He looks weird; it's his unfortunate downfall but doesn't that just say it all about modern politics? People want to be flashed a hollywood smile and fed a load of easily-digested soundbites, because they can't be bothered listening to a long speech from a strange face. I hope that changes at some point.



I agree with his mansion tax, I agree with at last the rooting out of tax avoidance too.my goodness,all he had to say extra for me was that he would look at scrapping the TV licence.

I personally cancelled mine this week (along with my sky sub), I'm just sick of it. The BBC are simply not living up to what they're supposed to deliver... the quality of programming, for the obscene amount of money they receive, is simply shocking. I refuse to be part of it any more. Cobbled together a little media PC hooked up to the TV from bits that I had lying around, set it up with quick links for the various catch up services and a Netflix account, and a load of the kids shows and films on the HD (plus my eldest almost exclusively gets her TV fix from YouTube on the desktop PC, anyway).

More than worth it. Saves me over £30 a month (TV license + Sky - Netflix sub of £6) and the satisfaction of telling them to stuff their TV license fee. Awesome :hehe:

[rubymoo]

The problem with Milliband is that he has zero charisma, i look at him and see a little boy, i think a lot of voters do, and for this reason he won't win.

I think his brother would've been better PM material.This is just my opinion:idc:

All governments are the same, they all give themselves a pay rise then pick on the workers, then bring in stupid taxes, and let the rich get richer.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He forgot to mention the economy?

the economy they kind of fecked up last time they had a crack...


http://www.picz.ge/img/s3/1105/4/9/9e2ececcf5fc.gif

[rubymoo]

He forgot to mention the economy?

the economy they kind of fecked up last time they had a crack...


http://www.picz.ge/img/s3/1105/4/9/9e2ececcf5fc.gif

I agree, kind of a big point to miss:hehe:

[arista]

He forgot to mention the economy?

the economy they kind of fecked up last time they had a crack...


http://www.picz.ge/img/s3/1105/4/9/9e2ececcf5fc.gif



Yes its the the thing he Fecked up
with Temp PM Brown in 2009.


But its good enough for posters like Joey?

[anne666]

Remove........ look, friends and together from that mess of a speech and what's left? Spending mainly , no surprise, with a very questionable explanation of how he proposes to fund it. No policy on the mountainous debt the last Labour Government accrued , not mentioned at all along with too many other important issues. It was one of the worst and most insulting political speeches I've ever listened to. The man is a bull****ting idiot . If they get back into power I dread to think how much they will have inevitably have added to the debt when they're booted out again. Labour Governments are notorious for leaving the country in a financial mess.

[arista]

Remove........ look, friends and together from that mess of a speech and what's left? Spending mainly , no surprise, with a very questionable explanation of how he proposes to fund it. No policy on the mountainous debt the last Labour Government accrued , not mentioned at all along with too many other important issues. It was one of the worst and most insulting political speeches I've ever listened to. The man is a bull****ting idiot . If they get back into power I dread to think how much they will have inevitably have added to the debt when they're booted out again. Labour Governments are notorious for leaving the country in a financial mess.


Yes I am no friend of him
it was not a Private talk
it was on the news.

On Radio 5
Richard Bacon kept saying its finished
but then the Dork Miliband started off again

[joeysteele]

Yes its the the thing he Fecked up
with Temp PM Brown in 2009.


But its good enough for posters like Joey?


It is indeed god enough for me, Ed Balls is the Shadow Chancellor, he had listed the economical side of matters just the day before.
Ed Miliband did make a few references as to the economy, however I for one,take it as a given that in fact all parties will continue to reduce the deficit.
Little point in wasting time saying so when it is expected from them all.

This deficit by the way, that David Cameron and George Osborne said would be and had to be,non existent by 2014/15 due to the severe measures they were taking to ensure same.

Miliband forgot a couple of items that had been dealt with by others,I was however more eager to hear his plans as to the NHS, the bedroom tax, the zero hours contracts, energy, mansion tax,homes being built,a decent minimum wage for those who are on it.
They are more important than adding a line saying,we will also continue to reduce the deficit.

If anyone really believed that any party would actually, after the global financial crisis hit and the last 6 years since,not continue to bring the deficit down then that party should not be in existence.

Having said that, this shower in Govt now who stressed that the deficit had to be all but cleared by 2014/15 but have in fact only got a third off it. Have actually themselves decreased the importance of the deficit.
By their total failure to clear it as promised in 2010.

David Cameron actually made his own big gaffe yesterday too as to his private conversations with the Queen on a constitutional matter too.
Had a Labour PM done that they would have been crucified in the press the next day.
Not David Cameron however, although I would guess he will a get a stern reaction form the Monarch when he next sees her.

I am fully aware that Labour will work to bring the deficit down further,I actually think they will get more off it too by 2020 than this lot have in the last 5 years.
For me however, I never saw the necessity to race to clear it,it could have been done over 15 to 20 years as long as it was coming down.
Then we wouldn't have had to have so many sick, disabled, terminally ill, weakest ,poorest and the most vulnerable of people suffering so unjustly and heartlessly from the policies of this rotten govt. this last 4 and a half years and still ongoing.

This Govt. deserves and should get nothing but contempt and I hope,no matter what voters may think of Ed Miliband, that the next election does get won by him on policies, otherwise,if he doesn't.
Then say goodbye to the NHS as it was originally intended to be and then also see more massive suffering inflicted unjustly on those, who should be protected, by even more heartless policies from this cruellest and most arrogant set of Cabinet Ministers there has likely ever been post war.

I no way want to see the latter, so will be offering my services anywhere to help get this rotten shower shoved on the scrapheap with its rotten agenda of heartless and unjust polices ripped up too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The English are in thrall of posh people, hence the love for the RF so Cameron will always get the benefit of the doubt

BTW I thought Cameron's childish comments to the NY Mayor guy yesterday were beyond pathetic

[arista]

"said would be and had to be,non existent by 2014/15"

But it did not go as planned
No one can control Markets.


Also its wrong of Miliband to say its a "10year plan"
as Elections are Every 5 Years now.
Such arrogance is like Kinnock

[joeysteele]

"said would be and had to be,non existent by 2014/15"

But it did not go as planned
No one can control Markets.


Also its wrong of Miliband to say its a "10year plan"
as Elections are Every 5 Years now.
Such arrogance is like Kinnock

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.

[Kizzy]

It annoys me to the point of exasperation how we not only judge singer and actors by their looks ... but now the politicians! :/

It also infuriates me how every little thing he does is scrutinised to the nth degree.. even eating a butty ffs! But cameron and his vile cronies can triple university fees, sell off royal mail, privatise the NHS, invent unfair taxes on the most vulnerable ... it's unbelievable!

[arista]

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.



Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.

[Kizzy]

Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.


more don't want that snake cameron I bet!

[arista]

more don't want that snake cameron I bet!


No you are wrong
Every News has Reported
even to his face , today
said they do not want Your Ed


Watch CH4HDNews now

[arista]

Wow Jon Snow on Ch4HD news
just Ripped Ed apart.


No way is he a PM

[rubymoo]

No matter who gets in, we'll still have the deficit.

David would've been a better labour leader, Ed just doesn't seem up to the job.

[arista]

No matter who gets in, we'll still have the deficit.

David would've been a better labour leader, Ed just doesn't seem up to the job.


Bang On Right

[rubymoo]

Bang On Right

I am a labour girl but I think a lot of people just don't have confidence in him, I don't know how he beat his brother.

My dad says he has the Kinnock effect, not many people like him!

[arista]

I am a labour girl but I think a lot of people just don't have confidence in him, I don't know how he beat his brother.

My dad says he has the Kinnock effect, not many people like him!


Very True

[joeysteele]

Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.

Well even more don't want your David since for over 3 years now Labour has had a lead in the polls and I think that lead is underestimated too.

Only 37% of voters polled think Cameron is a good PM and he is the one already in the job for goodness sake.
So nearly two thirds haven't liked what he has been like as PM either.

When it comes to nutters,(well no I won't use that word as I don't like it),
When it comes to incompetence then George Osborne has few equals.

Since he has had to downgrade his forecasts every year since taking the job as Chancellor until recently.
Anyone, anywhere who got their forecasts figures and planning as wrong as he has over near 4 years, in any other industry would have been out of the job sharpish.

[anne666]

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.

Do you have a link for the BIB? Of course Labour didn't have to have any strategy for the record breaking debt they left behind. They seem to aim to break their record every time. As usual that was down to the Tories and history carries on repeating itself. As it will when they get back into Government. Put you in power, how would you have handled it? The bedroom tax was a Labour idea which they will keep. In that mountainous debt there was nothing spent on replenishing council housing stock. We did have many more civil servants, which we didn't need of course.

http://afroml.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/the-bedroom-tax-was-labour-idea.html
http://leonduveen.mycouncillor.org.uk/2013/03/16/labour-hypocrisy-on-the-bedroom-tax/
http://brightgreenscotland.org/index.php/2013/03/labour-party-backs-bedroom-tax/

[anne666]

I am a labour girl but I think a lot of people just don't have confidence in him, I don't know how he beat his brother.

My dad says he has the Kinnock effect, not many people like him!

Kinnock, Tony Blair, take your pick. He's an idiot.

[joeysteele]

Do you have a link for the BIB? Of course Labour didn't have to have any strategy for the record breaking debt they left behind. They seem to aim to break their record every time. As usual that was down to the Tories and history carries on repeating itself. As it will when they get back into Government. Put you in power, how would you have handled it? The bedroom tax was a Labour idea which they will keep. In that mountainous debt there was nothing spent on replenishing council housing stock. We did have many more civil servants, which we didn't need of course.

http://afroml.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/the-bedroom-tax-was-labour-idea.html
http://leonduveen.mycouncillor.org.uk/2013/03/16/labour-hypocrisy-on-the-bedroom-tax/
http://brightgreenscotland.org/index.php/2013/03/labour-party-backs-bedroom-tax/

I would hope you watched the 2010 election as I did and took notice of all the interviews too.
In fact I would love to see a re-run of the election campaign for 2015, pointing out the aim to clear the deficit by 2015,indeed eliminating it was the word used.

I would also like shown David Cameron's pledge that there would be no top down re-organisation of the NHS, another deceit.

However,below is a snippet from 'Conservative home', with the first exchange between Osborne and Johnson,wherein Johnson asks Osborne about the aim of eliminating the deficit to which simply Osborne says yes it is.

Labour would never have applied any spare room tax to the most vulnerable and poorest,genuinely sick, disabled and terminally ill.
They would never have got such a policy through with their own MP's,this Govt has been told repeatedly by carers, the CAB, welfare groups and charities since this came in of the devastation caused to people who are vulnerable as to the bedroom tax.
They take not a bit of notice.

That may possibly,I don't know, be something you can accept and admire but it isn't something I like to see fall on my fellow citizens who are the most in need.

AS for Labour leaving the debt behind, no matter what Govt. was in power that same crash was still going to come and the recession too.
Neither party, the Conservatives nor Labour in the formers 18 unbroken years of power to 1997,then the latters 13 years of power did really anything to regulate the Banking industry.
No matter what party was in power when the crisis and recession hit, just as with most Countries around the world,some negative legacy was going to be left after it.

Labour chose the financial way, they built up the deficit and borrowed,thereby leaving a financial burden on the state,no argument as to that.
They could have done what the Conservatives would have likely done and indeed what they did in the 1980s.
They could have allowed jobs to go left,right and centre and see unemployment rise to ridiculous levels.
Thereby leaving human cost instead of financial cost behind.

It had to be one or the other,I wonder if you would have preferred to see people losing their jobs all over the place like they did in the 80s rather than try another,although costly way but one that would save a great number of jobs and keep people in work.

Both were unsavoury to me but one had to be the result of that recession, the Conservatives if in power would have had no utilities to sell off as they did in the 80s,so again unemployment would have risen likely dramatically and so the welfare costs would have rocketed.




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[arista]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265366

Joey check this News video
please

[joeysteele]

Right, all I can say is Miliband held his own rather well, look, the deficit is not the major issue for me so I am going to see Miliband differently.
For me getting rid of the bedroom tax and the NHS are the important issues for me.

I take offence to Jon Snow putting the NHS down the list,I thought he was a man obsessed with the deficit issue and that was that, a one tracked mind in a whole interview.

I really hope Jon Snow collars David Cameron and asks him why this deficit he is so obsessed with is not even at the very least half cleared when it was to be totally cleared according to Cameron and the Chancellor Osborne by 2015.

Really a rather pathetic interview, I guess they have to do things like that but I am glad Miliband stuck to his guns as to people living in near poverty and the dangers to the NHS.

AS to Scotland and it pains me to say this but Miliband did get a rough ride up there,he is an English politician, as did Clegg too however both of them got out and met the ordinary people of Scotland and got out on the streets.
Cameron, on the other hand only went to a few Companies, talked to Bankers and business leaders.
Then made a few speeches to a selected and invited audience.

[arista]

Right, all I can say is Miliband held his own rather well, look, the deficit is not the major issue for me so I am going to see Miliband differently.
For me getting rid of the bedroom tax and the NHS are the important issues for me.

I take offence to Jon Snow putting the NHS down the list,I thought he was a man obsessed with the deficit issue and that was that, a one tracked mind in a whole interview.

I really hope Jon Snow collars David Cameron and asks him why this deficit he is so obsessed with is not even at the very least half cleared when it was to be totally cleared according to Cameron and the Chancellor Osborne by 2015.

Really a rather pathetic interview, I guess they have to do things like that but I am glad Miliband stuck to his guns as to people living in near poverty and the dangers to the NHS.

AS to Scotland and it pains me to say this but Miliband did get a rough ride up there,he is an English politician, as did Clegg too however both of them got out and met the ordinary people of Scotland and got out on the streets.
Cameron, on the other hand only went to a few Companies, talked to Bankers and business leaders.
Then made a few speeches to a selected and invited audience.


Jon Snow
is one of our best reporters


he Ripped your Ed apart

[joeysteele]

Jon Snow
is one of our best reporters


he Ripped your Ed apart

No he didn't,actually, to me Jon Snow came over badly, to you of course what he did would be good to see, for me it is not.

I would rather hear far more from interviewers and presenters when interviewing politicians as to them speaking up and challenging same as to the most vulnerable in the UK getting the hardest hit.

Jon Snow didn't impress me at all with his line of questioning in that clip, there again he rarely does impress me anyway,just as in fact most interviewers and political correspondents don't either.
Oh with the exception of Tom Bradby at ITN.

[Kizzy]

How do countries make money? Industry ... thanks to this and previous conservative governments we are a husk.
There is no such thing as the Kinnock effect, just the tory media puppetry, they put more money into these smear campaigns than any other budget!

[lostalex]

I hate to say it, but i really think it's because he's ugly. David is so much more handsome and i really think Labour would be doing better if he was chosen as leader.

Ed has ZERO charisma and zero sex appeal.

[joeysteele]

How do countries make money? Industry ... thanks to this and previous conservative governments we are a husk.
There is no such thing as the Kinnock effect, just the tory media puppetry, they put more money into these smear campaigns than any other budget!

I do think there are a good number of people who would have preferred David Miliband as leader and I do agree he would have been a good leader.

With that in mind, Ed Miliband has that factor to deal with too,I actually admire the way he gets on with things and says what he means.
I like it even more when I agree with and like all he is saying too as in the case of his speech on Tuesday.

I saw another great speech as to the NHS the following day from who would have been my choice for leader of the Labour party,namely Andy Burnham.

Now I am a solid Labour supporter however,I am behind Ed all the way and will do all I can to help them win in May 2015.

These interviews are only the beginning for him and Labour really, this is going to be one of the dirtiest and nastiest campaigns ever, because the Conservatives have a disastrous record over the last 4+ years and the Lib Dems have to take attention away from their betrayal of their voters.

What I hope is that policies do feature in the campaign and that Labour keep the NHS right at the top of the agenda because no way will the press do so.
Also interviewers and presenters won't either as with Jon Snow in that interview he has no concerns as to the worries as to the NHS too.
Sheer ignorance on his part,in my view to put the NHS way down the line as to being important,I found that section greatly offensive from any interviewer.

[Kizzy]

My sentiments too Joey, he's a fool to underestimate the connotations of the loss of the NHS... It would mean certain death for thousands! :(
I too hope he keeps it up there as a key point, I prefer Ed to David (who I always thought looked sly) Ed has a quiet confidence, he doesn't feel the need to chip away with catty remarks like a schoolgirl or shout false promises and have tickertape parades.

[user104658]

I actually thought that was an awful interview by Mr Snow. He played the role of the antagonist, which is sometimes fine, it can be effective but he descended into whining by the end which seemed fully scripted.

More importantly, it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually listening. He had that script that he was going by and failed to adapt the interview at all to any of the responses. He was also failing to give ample time for a full response. Terrible journalism.

My personal views on the all-important deficit is that they've basically got it all wrong anyway. Promising to clear a large deficit through austerity in 5 to 10 years, is stupid. And harmful. What they should be doing is making sure they do chip away at it, slowly, primarily by INCREASING EFFICIENCY not by making cuts across the board. Our economy is woefully inefficient. That is the problem. We could be operating with zero deficit without any cuts to services if it was all running smoothly and then building from THAT point to repay debts. It doesn't matter if that takes several years. This idea that it has to be done and dusted in a couple of years is madness.

[arista]

TS

That what we need a reporter to do.
And having notes is normal.


Feck Sake
that dork Ed
wants to be a PM


We must have tough questions

[joeysteele]

I actually thought that was an awful interview by Mr Snow. He played the role of the antagonist, which is sometimes fine, it can be effective but he descended into whining by the end which seemed fully scripted.

More importantly, it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually listening. He had that script that he was going by and failed to adapt the interview at all to any of the responses. He was also failing to give ample time for a full response. Terrible journalism.

My personal views on the all-important deficit is that they've basically got it all wrong anyway. Promising to clear a large deficit through austerity in 5 to 10 years, is stupid. And harmful. What they should be doing is making sure they do chip away at it, slowly, primarily by INCREASING EFFICIENCY not by making cuts across the board. Our economy is woefully inefficient. That is the problem. We could be operating with zero deficit without any cuts to services if it was all running smoothly and then building from THAT point to repay debts. It doesn't matter if that takes several years. This idea that it has to be done and dusted in a couple of years is madness.

I agree with all that.
Also since suddenly again the deficit is such an issue as to politics,then perhaps asking other parties is out of order too as to it.
Since for the last 18 months or more now we have been told by this coalition Govt. that they have taken a third off the deficit since 2010.

That hasn't as yet been stated as being any more so it would appear from that, they have actually done nothing as to reducing the deficit for almost 2 years now too.

It was a really bad interview by Jon Snow, he came across as very hostile and also rather ignorant too,in my view.

[user104658]

TS

That what we need a reporter to do.
And having notes is normal.


Feck Sake
that dork Ed
wants to be a PM


We must have tough questions

Not notes, a script. Notes are fine (for facts and figures) but the interview has to adapt around the answers and move on. A script does not adapt - his interview did not adapt, it pressed a point relentlessly (that didn't need pressing) at the expense of listening to any of the other answers. He also, like I said, started to whine.

Yes we need people to ask the tough questions but an interviewer also has to allow the opportunity to answer.

In my opinion, the answer is that addressing the deficit is important but not AS important as first addressing some of the other issues we currently face, and it is a perfectly valid answer. Personally my answer would have been; "We're not going to fix the deficit by tearing the structure of our economy to shreds, that will only make it worse. So first we concentrate on solid foundations."

I think that's roughly what he's trying to say but the interviewer wasn't allowing him breathing space to answer properly. That's what makes it a bad interview.

[joeysteele]

My sentiments too Joey, he's a fool to underestimate the connotations of the loss of the NHS... It would mean certain death for thousands! :(
I too hope he keeps it up there as a key point, I prefer Ed to David (who I always thought looked sly) Ed has a quiet confidence, he doesn't feel the need to chip away with catty remarks like a schoolgirl or shout false promises and have tickertape parades.

It was totally out of order to dismiss the NHS issue the way Snow did Kizzy,especially after the 91 year olds speech at the Labour Conference about it too.
Now there was someone with a really strong and appropriate story to tell.

How sad the news doesn't universally show that kind of speech.
Brilliant contribution to the Labour party conference and telling facts for the whole Country to take notice of.

[Josy]

Great speech by Ed

[arista]

SyDBsMi7WE8

[joeysteele]

Great speech by Ed

Agreed,it was for many reasons but because it offered hope that despite the realities and constraints still placed financially on the UK that there was another way to ensure protection for those who need it, to build back up the NHS, to start to tackle the reversal of wages below inflation for so many years.

To ensure fairness and justice as to policies and more to the point when dealing with those most vulnerable,ensuring compassion is evident in such dealings with them and as to policies affecting them.

A far cry from this strengthen further the strongest and, shore up the richest while tearing away from the poorest and most vulnerable the little they already have and never listening to all the cries against such policies and just dismissing any criticism of same.
That is all we have had from this Govt. followed by failure upon failure as to near all its original financial and economic targets.

We are going to be expected to take part again in conflict in the Middle East, (amazing how unlimited funding can be found for that at the drop of a hat, as it was for the Libyan action too).
Yet this Govt has depleted the armed forces to what I feel are ridiculous levels.
As to just about 70% of this Coalition's policies,I stand by my view that this is in fact a dangerous for the UK PM leading a dangerous Govt.

Ed Miliband showed a fairer,more compassionate and in my view better way of governing a Country,I just hope things at the very least stay as they are politically because that will mean his policies will indeed get a chance.

I hope to see this present Govt. and this doom and gloom for the majority of the UK swept away at the first opportunity to do so.

[user104658]

I do think if anything the referendum has shown that after years of negativity, there's a real appetite right now for being offered a little bit of hope in politics. People want to believe in the possibility of a better, fairer world and that's what they want to hear - that we can achieve that and then be in a good place to tackle the problems like the deficit and debt.

I know it's a bit simplistic but you can scale it down to a personal level: until recently me and my wife combined had a decent chunk of debt and even a deficit, juggling credit and dipping into credit cards at the end of the month. It had been a haunting us for years, since the end of university, and was a major source of stress for me (I'm a money worrier). But then, I decided to actually do something about it - stop pinching pennies so hard, get myself into a good place, then tackle it head on. We were debt free in less than a year.

Like I say, overly simplistic maybe, but it does apply. We simply cannot tackle the deficit by making everyone so miserable that productivity plummets. It'll only make things far worse. Yes you can keep chipping away at the outgoings but eventually you'll start harming the bottom line of money coming in too, and it'll all be for nothing.

People need that. People need a functional, hopeful country to have any sort of motivation to want to keep it that way. We're crying out for it.

[joeysteele]

I do think if anything the referendum has shown that after years of negativity, there's a real appetite right now for being offered a little bit of hope in politics. People want to believe in the possibility of a better, fairer world and that's what they want to hear - that we can achieve that and then be in a good place to tackle the problems like the deficit and debt.

I know it's a bit simplistic but you can scale it down to a personal level: until recently me and my wife combined had a decent chunk of debt and even a deficit, juggling credit and dipping into credit cards at the end of the month. It had been a haunting us for years, since the end of university, and was a major source of stress for me (I'm a money worrier). But then, I decided to actually do something about it - stop pinching pennies so hard, get myself into a good place, then tackle it head on. We were debt free in less than a year.

Like I say, overly simplistic maybe, but it does apply. We simply cannot tackle the deficit by making everyone so miserable that productivity plummets. It'll only make things far worse. Yes you can keep chipping away at the outgoings but eventually you'll start harming the bottom line of money coming in too, and it'll all be for nothing.

People need that. People need a functional, hopeful country to have any sort of motivation to want to keep it that way. We're crying out for it.


Glad you got all sorted Toy Soldier and that is a really great post too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The overall consensus was that it was a complete disaster for DM and labour

That is my unbiased view from listening to R4, LBC, 5 Live, R Scotland, BBC1 and several better newspapers

Face it, he stunk the UK out

[Kizzy]

SyDBsMi7WE8

Unlike the daily mail spitting image ripped the piss out of everyone equally though, like a good heart good satire is hard to find :laugh: