20th Nov ByElection as UKIP Mark Reckless gives it a go

[arista]

Yes thats his name

Live on SkyNewsHD

http://news.sky.com/story/1343257/conservative-mp-mark-reckless-defects-to-ukip

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/27/338515/default/v1/cegrab-20140927-144724-635-1-402x293.jpg


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/27/tory-mp-mark-reckless-defects-ukip
Link For Kizzy

[Crimson Dynamo]

More will follow

[arista]

More will follow


Labour MPs should Jump


Only Live on SkyNewsHD
poxy BBC weekend crew walk off when playing recorded shows
it only came on BBC 25mins later than SkyNewsHD

breaking news not good at the BBC

[arista]

http://markreckless.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/cjbeh31365463493.jpg
Yes Mark
I can see you work hard


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/27/1411827391467_wps_19_Ukip_s_Mark_Reckless_deli.jpg
hey fella that backing projection screen is big



Farage Live on SkyNewsHD at 4:08PM
confirmed he is also talking to back bench Labour MPs

Farage on the last min of BBCNewsHD at 4:15PM
gave a direct camera message to the PM
he said:
"hold the Referendum before the Election
and UKIP will love you for that"

[joeysteele]

I have no time for MPs who switch parties before the next main election, this MP had Conservative funds, workers and time and effort helping him be elected.
These 2 MPs who have switched would be for me, 2 people not to trust again.

I am not Conservative now at all but I really hate this when it happens.

[arista]

I have no time for MPs who switch parties before the next main election, this MP had Conservative funds, workers and time and effort helping him be elected.
These 2 MPs who have switched would be for me, 2 people not to trust again.

I am not Conservative now at all but I really hate this when it happens.




I would love a back bencher Labour MP to jump.

The one thing Farage does
he keeps a Live Event
you do not find out before it happens.
No Leaks


He gave special instructions to SkyNewsHD
to go Live at the moment the MP was to walk out.
they did go Live as he walked out and showed it in full.

The silly slow BBC
were also there (reporter on a coffee break or something)
be failed to cover it Live

[joeysteele]

I would love a back bencher Labour MP to jump.

The one thing Farage does
he keeps a Live Event
you do not find out before it happens.
No Leaks


He gave special instructions to SkyNewsHD
to go Live at the moment the MP was to walk out.
they did go Live as he walked out and showed it in full.

The silly slow BBC
were also there (reporter on a coffee break or something)
be failed to cover it Live

Any Labour MP that defected to UKIP with UKIP's mish mash of an NHS policy, in my view should then never have been a Labour MP in the first place.
So I as a Labour supporter now, I would say good riddance to them.

Whatever the reasons are for these miserable MPs switching,possibly in the main the EU issue,I still say it is wrong to do so.

[JoshBB]

Labour MPs should Jump

I doubt they will, policies are too different imo.

[arista]

I doubt they will, policies are too different imo.


We will find out


Farage confirmed back bench Labour MP's
hate Miliband for not giving the UK a vote on Europe.



Josh
Labour used to hate Europe Laws that are not fair on trade
and they are still in the party.



I would not be shocked at a old Labour MP jumping ship.

[arista]

Any Labour MP that defected to UKIP with UKIP's mish mash of an NHS policy, in my view should then never have been a Labour MP in the first place.
So I as a Labour supporter now, I would say good riddance to them.

Whatever the reasons are for these miserable MPs switching,possibly in the main the EU issue,I still say it is wrong to do so.

Sure I can fully understand that.



What happens in Politics
is thing can change super fast though.


Like in 1963 back when that Sexy Model Lady was
with a Conservative MP and a Russian on other days
it was Mega.
That Film made on it - was great.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Scandal-Poster.jpg/220px-Scandal-Poster.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Profumo

[joeysteele]

I think and would hope too that every Labour MP realises that the NHS is in likely great danger as to how it was intended to be, from both the Conservatives and likely even moreso UKIP.

For that reason alone, I cannot see any Labour MP wanting to put that at risk.

Whether they like Ed Miliband or not, from all I have read and been told by older people too, just about every Labour leader has been pretty strongly disliked by a good section of the party thoughout its existence.
However Ed Miliband is spot on as to the NHS and it really needs to be Labours sort of crusade now to ensure it is saved and more to the point kept safe.

I agree with JoshBB, UKIPs policies are a world away from what most Labour MPs want to see and I doubt the EU is that big an issue for them either.

[arista]

http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/tories-hijack-reckless-farage-event-rochester/4425

Video of the Great Michael Crick
and this reckless fool


The by election may be around Nov15th

[Crimson Dynamo]

classic timing by NF to torpedo Cameron and his get together

[arista]

classic timing by NF to torpedo Cameron and his get together

SkyNewsHD said Farage said "it could be "
a Labour
or Conservative on weds

[billy123]

The tories and ukip are pretty similar anyway the tories are just a bit more subtle about their racist and elitist tendencies it is no suprise so many of these twats are jumping ship.

[arista]

The Date has been Confirmed 20th Nov


Ch4HD interviewed "some" locals
they had binned the PM letter
and said they are voting for Mark UKIP


http://news.sky.com/story/1352634/cameron-sends-love-letter-to-rochester-voters

[Livia]

I stay in touch with some of my ex-colleagues at the Conservatives and as a party, they are crapping themselves. They threw everything they had at Clacton, they were taking campaigners in on buses, and look what happened. And it's not just the Tories who are panicking...

[arista]

I stay in touch with some of my ex-colleagues at the Conservatives and as a party, they are crapping themselves. They threw everything they had at Clacton, they were taking campaigners in on buses, and look what happened. And it's not just the Tories who are panicking...


Ref :Clacton
The Conservative women (P.Patel) was to cold
she was - not in touch with locals



This Reckless ByElection


Means the Conservative need to get a Move on
an Pick someone to go against him
before we know it the month will fly by

[joeysteele]

For me, would prefer the Conservatives to hold this seat in Rochester. I am actually glad the date is the 20th November and not earlier.

If UKIP do take it,then I already despair for the 2015 election, which will be dominated by whatever percentage UKIP have in the polls all through and hyping them up as was the case with the Lib Dems last time in part.

This should be a solid Conservative seat,I hope they keep it and it will be all the sweeter as UKIP and Nigel Farage started campaigning right off after Clacton.
Therefore now, not to take it, would be,at least seen as, a setback of sorts.

[Kizzy]

I don't believe the conservatives are scared, I think they planned this all along, farage has been crawling all over the media for months! he's never out of the damn news... and it was too easy for him to elbow in on the debates... I smell a tory rat.
Who better to cosy up to than someone with the same right wing, sod the poor, privatise your granny ideals?

[arista]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/25/nearly-third-of-voters-prepared-to-support-ukip


[Nearly a third of voters prepared to support Ukip
Observer/Opinium poll shows 31% of voters would back Nigel Farage’s party if they believed it could win in their constituency]

Conservatives have put a unknown woman up
not a good move

[joeysteele]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/25/nearly-third-of-voters-prepared-to-support-ukip


[Nearly a third of voters prepared to support Ukip
Observer/Opinium poll shows 31% of voters would back Nigel Farage’s party if they believed it could win in their constituency]

Conservatives have put a unknown woman up
not a good move

The selections process of the Conservative candidate turned into a farce with a totally unnecessary amount of time taken over it too.

Sadly, I fear the Conservatives will lose this seat, even moreso I know of Labour voters who will be voting UKIP to help get the Conservative defeat.
For me that is an odd logic, helping UKIP win is for me a dangerous game to be playing.

UKIP need to be halted in my view, for me I prefer the Con/Lab battle for the next election,as the saying goes, 'better the devil you know'......

I say again, I really do despair for the 2015 election if UKIP take this seat,the media will be absolutely stupid in its hysteria towards them and the polling figures.
A UKIP win for me would be a really bad result however had David Cameron sought concensus as to the EU with the major parties, rather than his procrastinated referendum/re-negotiation policy,this can of worms could have been contained.

So when this seat unfortunately goes to UKIP, David Cameron's appalling judgement should fall into question even moreso again and again.

[MTVN]

The news of this £1.7bn increase in Britain's payment to the EU will give Ukip a big boost at just the wrong time for this election as well, it's not actually as unreasonable as it seems on first glance but the headline alone is enough to play straight into their hands

[Kizzy]

The PMs 'a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour' is a double bluff... he can't rightly say a vote for UKIP is a vote for the conservatives can he? as the right wing people who are sick of the tories won't vote for them.
My guess is he's banking on a coalition.

[joeysteele]

The PMs 'a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour' is a double bluff... he can't rightly say a vote for UKIP is a vote for the conservatives can he? as the right wing people who are sick of the tories won't vote for them.
My guess is he's banking on a coalition.

What the Conservatives and David Cameron in particular don't realise is the fact that while most voters don't particularly want a Labour Govt.they most certainly equally,and greater so,don't want a Conservative one.

There will I am sure in the 2015 election be votes going all over the place against the Conservatives and Lib Dems in the hope of securing their defeat.
If only the voters would grasp,since they hate this coalition Govt so much, the only way to effectively shift them out of power is to vote Labour.

Equally so to Labour voters or sympathisers, if they vote UKIP for whatever reason, then they too risk a return of the Conservatives or even worse a Conservative/UKIP coalition.
A combination so disastrous,in my view,that would make this present coalition look like a bunch of teddy bears in comparison.

[Kizzy]

What the Conservatives and David Cameron in particular don't realise is the fact that while most voters don't particularly want a Labour Govt.they most certainly equally,and greater so,don't want a Conservative one.

There will I am sure in the 2015 election be votes going all over the place against the Conservatives and Lib Dems in the hope of securing their defeat.
If only the voters would grasp,since they hate this coalition Govt so much, the only way to effectively shift them out of power is to vote Labour.

Equally so to Labour voters or sympathisers, if they vote UKIP for whatever reason, then they too risk a return of the Conservatives or even worse a Conservative/UKIP coalition.
A combination so disastrous,in my view,that would make this present coalition look like a bunch of teddy bears in comparison.

Totally! I really hope that message comes across loud and clear in the run up to the election.

[arista]

Today is the day
they vote in another UKIP MP

11:35PM on BBC1 it starts
and
on SkyNewsHD

[Creggle]

UKIP is the only logical choice now, labour and the conmen are finished.

[Kizzy]

Don't write wallace off yet.. :)

[joeysteele]

There will be a few factors in this by election and sadly none good for politics.

Some Labour voters astonishingly will vote for UKIP to help make sure the seat is not a Conservative win.
Clearly the Conservatives will also lose votes and therefore UKIP will unfortunately take the seat.

It is what now happens after this by electionthat troubles me and it is a simple fact, if the Conservatives lose this seat today, they really are in dire straits.
David Cameron has been there at least 5 times,this is a seat he should never have been in with a chance of losing.
If he loses it after all his hardline spouting off as to the EU too,then it will show he just isn't believed by the electorate at all.

This is the danger of making Europe a big issue at the forefront of politics,William Hague fought a campaign as leader in 2001 all about saving the pound.
Voters were just in the end switched off by it all.

I didn't see this as a seat Labour had any great hopes of winning,they did when it was Medway with Tony Blair as their leader in the landslide period for him.
So I expect to see Labour voters backing UKIP, which I think is dangerous but there you go.

It is a seat that,no matter what the media or David Cameron and his team say, should not be lost by the Conservatives.
If it goes to UKIP and I hope somehow it doesn't,who knows what can of worms gets opened after it.

Less than 6 months before the 2015 election, this by election was the last thing needed.

[arista]

There will be a few factors in this by election and sadly none good for politics.

Some Labour voters astonishingly will vote for UKIP to help make sure the seat is not a Conservative win.
Clearly the Conservatives will also lose votes and therefore UKIP will unfortunately take the seat.

It is what now happens after this by electionthat troubles me and it is a simple fact, if the Conservatives lose this seat today, they really are in dire straits.
David Cameron has been there at least 5 times,this is a seat he should never have been in with a chance of losing.
If he loses it after all his hardline spouting off as to the EU too,then it will show he just isn't believed by the electorate at all.

This is the danger of making Europe a big issue at the forefront of politics,William Hague fought a campaign as leader in 2001 all about saving the pound.
Voters were just in the end switched off by it all.

I didn't see this as a seat Labour had any great hopes of winning,they did when it was Medway with Tony Blair as their leader in the landslide period for him.
So I expect to see Labour voters backing UKIP, which I think is dangerous but there you go.

It is a seat that,no matter what the media or David Cameron and his team say, should not be lost by the Conservatives.
If it goes to UKIP and I hope somehow it doesn't,who knows what can of worms gets opened after it.

Less than 6 months before the 2015 election, this by election was the last thing needed.



Yes many see this as a chance to have a attack.


I think Mark will win this
Farage will be most happy

[JoshBB]

Labour backing UKIP? are you mad? Completely different parties.

[arista]

Labour backing UKIP? are you mad? Completely different parties.


Joey does not mean that


Labour know they will not win.
So its Conservative or UKIP to win.

So the Labour Voters , "some of them"
vote UKIP
to attack the Conservatives
Politics can get very nasty

[Crimson Dynamo]

perched for a UKIP success

[joeysteele]

Labour backing UKIP? are you mad? Completely different parties.

Yes Josh as arista says I meant in this by election, I know of people who vote Labour and they will be voting for UKIP today just to try to ensure the Conservatives lose.
Although they say they are not likely to vote UKIP in the general election.

I am no way now a Conservative but I would really rather they won this seat than UKIP.
I really don't understand why Labour voters or even Lib Dems ones,(that is if the Lib Dems have any voters left),would risk presenting on a plate some great headlines and publicity for UKIP.

This seat did for me always look like a Conservative v UKIP battle after the defections but this is definitely a scenario where I would rather the devil I knew won than a party like UKIP.

[MTVN]

What time can we expect a result tonight Mr Arista?

[Kizzy]

I think I would rather the BNP won than UKIP at least they're upfront about their bigotry.

[joeysteele]

I think I would rather the BNP won than UKIP at least they're upfront about their bigotry.

:joker:What a choice, you have a good point however as to the bigotry definitely.

[arista]

What time can we expect a result tonight Mr Arista?


Early morning or later




Provisional turnout is around 50.6

[Kizzy]

Mark Reckless (UKIP) 16,867 (42.10%)

Kelly Tolhurst (C) 13,947 (34.81%, -14.39%)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/nov/20/rochester-and-strood-byelection-results-live-coverage

[arista]

Yes another UKIP MP


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/11/21/351145/default/v2/farage-inset-new-1-762x428.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1377472/ukips-reckless-wins-rochester-by-election


Sign Of The Times

[Crimson Dynamo]

well done Nigel and team

[MTVN]

Poor Lib Dems getting less than 1% of the vote

[joeysteele]

Poor Lib Dems getting less than 1% of the vote

:joker::joker:I am ecstatic over that,the only justifiable thing about this result for me.

For me, this is a bad night for politics overall,the media will be full of UKIP this, UKIP that,however the one light is,that I think this could go back to the Conservatives in the general election.
I felt he needed a larger majority than that to have a chance of holding the seat 6 months from now.

UKIP came from nowhere in this seat to actually win it however so this should lead to more discontent among Conservative MPs who have now seen 2 of their former colleagues hold their seats in by elections and one of them who was only elected in 2010 too.

I know of Labour voters voting UKIP to keep the Conservative out, however, (if anyone bothers to ask him),I am interested as to what Nick Clegg says is the reason for the Lib Dems now really looking like a minority party in all elections.

[Nedusa]

I am pleased to see UKIP have won the latest by-election and trounced the Tories,Labour and completely destroyed the Lib Dems.

Why can't people see that Old style Politics is out of touch with the voters of this Country. We vote these parties into power time and time again Cons-Lab-Cons-Lab...blah blah blah.... same old ..same old.

Nothing ever gets done we are treated like fools and shafted as these parties play Russian Roulette with our state assets.

They print money like it's going out of fashion, they borrow money like it's going out of fashion, they stop building houses (council or otherwise) and yet open the doors to vast levels of immigration....Millions upon millions of people from Europe and elsewhere.

They have collectively destroyed our Industry, our Education systems and our beloved Health service.......

I think people have finally had enough and are now not afraid to vote for a party that will offer real change.....

Personally I don't think UKIP could make a worse job of it , bearing in mind the other two clowns have shared power between them for nearly a 100 years and have succeeded in practically destroying this once proud, hard working Country.

What we have now is a nation of workshy,scrounging, obese, self medicating part time workers, all brow beaten by a greedy, disgusting, bunch of thieving elites who could not give XXXX about this country or it's culture as long as they get rich.

Disgusting all of it............UKIP gets my vote I mean why wouldn't you vote to give someone else a chance.

Can't get much worse....Can it ?





.

[kirklancaster]

Sure I can fully understand that.

What happens in Politics
is thing can change super fast though.

Like in 1963 back when that Sexy Model Lady was
with a Conservative MP and a Russian on other days
it was Mega.
That Film made on it - was great.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Scandal-Poster.jpg/220px-Scandal-Poster.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Profumo

Yep - and just as Dr Stephen Ward was tragically made the scapegoat in that sordid little affair, there are plenty of scapegoats being lined up by both main parties when the General Election goes Pete Tong for them.

[kirklancaster]

I am pleased to see UKIP have won the latest by-election and trounced the Tories,Labour and completely destroyed the Lib Dems.

Why can't people see that Old style Politics is out of touch with the voters of this Country. We vote these parties into power time and time again Cons-Lab-Cons-Lab...blah blah blah.... same old ..same old.

Nothing ever gets done we are treated like fools and shafted as these parties play Russian Roulette with our state assets.

They print money like it's going out of fashion, they borrow money like it's going out of fashion, they stop building houses (council or otherwise) and yet open the doors to vast levels of immigration....Millions upon millions of people from Europe and elsewhere.

They have collectively destroyed our Industry, our Education systems and our beloved Health service.......

I think people have finally had enough and are now not afraid to vote for a party that will offer real change.....

Personally I don't think UKIP could make a worse job of it , bearing in mind the other two clowns have shared power between them for nearly a 100 years and have succeeded in practically destroying this once proud, hard working Country.

What we have now is a nation of workshy,scrounging, obese, self medicating part time workers, all brow beaten by a greedy, disgusting, bunch of thieving elites who could not give XXXX about this country or it's culture as long as they get rich.

Disgusting all of it............UKIP gets my vote I mean why wouldn't you vote to give someone else a chance.

Can't get much worse....Can it ?

.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

What a powerfully written post - and I agree with almost every word.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Farage speaks for the common man in the street and the 3 others most certainly do not. Sometimes its that simple

[Shaun]

I still don't understand why people who want a shake-up of the political system (ie. get rid of the tories, lib dems and labour) don't vote for the Greens instead but I suppose the gobby racists are always going to get more press.

[Kizzy]

Farage speaks for the common man in the street and the 3 others most certainly do not. Sometimes its that simple

You really think a thatcherite ex city trader has the interests of the 'common man' at heart?...come on.

[arista]

You really think a thatcherite ex city trader has the interests of the 'common man' at heart?...come on.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/21/article-2842718-235C79D600000578-173_964x377.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/21/235B706100000578-2842718-image-39_1416555407068.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/21/1416555763955_Image_galleryImage_Rochester_and_Str ood_by_e.JPG
Mr Reckless and his wife Catriona after the result was announced

[Shaun]

that's you told, Kizzy

[Kizzy]

:joker:

[Kizzy]

Dennis Skinner tells it like it is :laugh:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30141159?SThisFB

[arista]

Dennis Skinner tells it like it is :laugh:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30141159?SThisFB


He should get out of Politics
before it kills him

[joeysteele]

Fortunately UKIP will not be able to win the 2015 election,even today Nigel Farage has indicated they are targetting particularly around 40 seats, it may well be if their support got stronger that they could take a fair number those seats up to that point.

However, it will be a Labour led or Conservative led coalition in Govt,depending on just how the votes go and who just scrapes in where as to seats.

I can almost see my worst possible nightmare of a coalition now in 2015, any Conservative led one would be a kick in the teeth for the most vulnerable in the UK but a Conservative led govt propped up by UKIP, would for me be the most dangerous, prejudiced and unjust govt. the UK has likely had.

My hope is that Labour will win enough seats to be the largest party and that the SNP will have the seats to ensure that govts stability.
Nicola Sturgeon, good on her too, has said a deal with Labour could be done, the SNP do not want the UK leaving the EU.
She has also said the SNP under her leadership will never support a Conservative led govt.
So that is the scenario I hope for and that the Conservatives and UKIP with their hidden agendas and underlying nastiness can then just fiddle about in opposition.

[Kizzy]

Fortunately UKIP will not be able to win the 2015 election,even today Nigel Farage has indicated they are targetting particularly around 40 seats, it may well be if their support got stronger that they could take a fair number those seats up to that point.

However, it will be a Labour led or Conservative led coalition in Govt,depending on just how the votes go and who just scrapes in where as to seats.

I can almost see my worst possible nightmare of a coalition now in 2015, any Conservative led one would be a kick in the teeth for the most vulnerable in the UK but a Conservative led govt propped up by UKI, would for me be the most dangerous, prejudiced and unjust govt. the UK has likely had.

My hope is that Labour will win enough seats to be the largest party and that the SNP will have the seats to ensure that govts stability.
Nicola Sturgeon, good on her too, has said a deal with Labour could be done, the SNP do not want the UK leaving the EU.
She has also said the SNP under her leadership will never support a Conservative led govt.
So that is the scenario I hope for and that the Conservatives and UKIP with their hidden agendas and underlying nastiness can then just fiddle about in opposition.

That would be truly toxic, if that happens democracy and the UK as we know it is finished.

[joeysteele]

That would be truly toxic, if that happens democracy and the UK as we know it is finished.

:joker:I think I would consider heading over to the States to spend loads of time with my Aunt in Los Angeles and also visit other parts of the world for 5 years until they were out.

[Nedusa]

Do you think it possible we could ever have a coalition of the major parties ie Lab- Con or will that never happen ??

[Kizzy]

Well I would never have expected a con/lib alliance so who knows, but I doubt it.

[joeysteele]

Do you think it possible we could ever have a coalition of the major parties ie Lab- Con or will that never happen ??

No, except in extreme national disaster times such as war as in the 2nd world war and also in the 30s during the depression.

Ironically, within those 2 parties there are a likely majority of MPs who could actually work well and strongly togethe.
Through that concensus between them,they could really bring fair and good policies for all the country and be a really good Govt.

Sadly the party machine system wouldn't nurture that.

[Niall]

Why does this country always vote stupidly

[kirklancaster]

No, except in extreme national disaster times such as war as in the 2nd world war and also in the 30s during the depression.

Ironically, within those 2 parties there are a likely majority of MPs who could actually work well and strongly togethe.
Through that concensus between them,they could really bring fair and good policies for all the country and be a really good Govt.

Sadly the party machine system wouldn't nurture that.

Yeah, Joey, it is sad. I agree, that, no matter how poorly any of the parties actually perform, or whether we agree with their manifesto or not, there are always one or two, very sincere, very erudite, very capable individuals among them. How shrewd would it be to bring all these individuals together under one umbrella for the sake of Britain?

Well, we can dream can't we?