Conservative Conference in Birmingham: min. wage earners to not pay tax

[arista]

Starts tonight

http://www.conservativepartyconference.org.uk/confhome.aspx

[20 per cent off your first home: Tories offer
first-time buyers under 40 special discount
David Cameron will unveil dramatic extension
to party's Help to Buy scheme
'Starter homes' will be available at 20 per cent less
than their market value
First-time buyers under the age of 40
will be offered discount on new homes
Discount possible because housebuilders
would be exempt from some taxes ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2771380/20-cent-home-Tories-offer-time-buyers-40-special-discount.html#ixzz3EWmM8rUq



Young First time buyers
to get discounts


Former MP M.Reckless
picked a good day to back stab

The PM is due to give his speech on the final day 11:30PM on Weds 1st Oct

[JoshBB]

If they're going to up the price of taxes and privatise the NHS, they aren't helping by providing a 20% off which comes out of public money. They'll get that by making more cuts to the public sector.

Not convinced that this will benefit the working class.

[arista]

Well more to come over the next few days

[joeysteele]

I expected to hear something as to housing after Ed Miliband started the ball rolling last week, however this is nowhere near enough and is in reality,although welcome, a case of too little too late I would say.

As for the other MP defecting to UKIP, I have nothing but contempt for MP's who switch parties and this close to an election is farcical.
At this rate voters will be sick of hearing of by elections and therefore elections by the time the 2015 one comes along.

I am not now Conservative but Conservative funds, workers and time and effort helped get this MP elected he should at the very least along with the pathetic Carswell, have waited until the 2015 election.
For me it is a major betrayal and would demonstrate to me that neither of these MPs were people to trust again.

[arista]

"a case of too little too late I would say."

Sure for some,
I am sure other offers will come in the next few days.

Nothing wrong with you jumping Ship
Joey its a free Nation.

I am still
Conservative-LibDem
as I was many years ago.


I am honest

[joeysteele]

"a case of too little too late I would say."

Sure for some,
I am sure other offers will come in the next few days.

Nothing wrong with you jumping Ship
Joey its a free Nation.

I am still
Conservative-LibDem
as I was many years ago.


I am honest

Well so am I honest arista, honesty doesn't come into it really.

In fact, I am not jumping ship as I have as yet only voted in one General Election:joker:,that was 2010 and for my sins voted Lib Dem so in fact haven't yet voted for the Conservatives in a General election.

It is however my roots as to background and family too but I have seen too much wrong,in my view,that they have done to trust the Conservatives.
As for the Lib Dems, I wouldn't even waste my time listenting to them while Clegg is their leader,or in fact any of their current frontbench MPs.

I do admire and respect your loyalty to them however.

[Kizzy]

Aw look at them offering the strivers sweetners... nobody would be foolish enough would they? Even their MPs are like rats deserting the sinking tory ship.

[user104658]

The 20% is off of newbuild houses which, realistically, the vast majority of first time buyers can't afford anyway. Typical Tory policy. 20% off your £300,000 house buy for your first home! What do you mean your bank will only lend £120,000? Oh well, just borrow the rest from mummy and daddy eh pip pip?

[Kizzy]

Well so am I honest arista, honesty doesn't come into it really.

In fact, I am not jumping ship as I have as yet only voted in one General Election:joker:,that was 2010 and for my sins voted Lib Dem so in fact haven't yet voted for the Conservatives in a General election.

It is however my roots as to background and family too but I have seen too much wrong,in my view,that they have done to trust the Conservatives.
As for the Lib Dems, I wouldn't even waste my time listenting to them while Clegg is their leader,or in fact any of their current frontbench MPs.

I do admire and respect your loyalty to them however.

:laugh: that's the most diplomatic way of putting it joey.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/9/27/338563/default/v2/telegraph-1-329x437.jpg

[joeysteele]

It also then doesn't look like it will be the week he hoped for as to the conference too.

It will be interesting to see if the media harp on about this all week when interviewing Conservative delegates,rather than report any substance from the conference in the way they looked for side issues during Labours too rather than discuss the content of policy in the main.

[Kizzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29398907

More cuts, this time for the under 21s... lucky them.

[Marc]

Can I please have half off?

[joeysteele]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29398907

More cuts, this time for the under 21s... lucky them.

A sign of more discriminatory,(loosely used as a description), policies to come then.

[arista]

It also then doesn't look like it will be the week he hoped for as to the conference too.

It will be interesting to see if the media harp on about this all week when interviewing Conservative delegates,rather than report any substance from the conference in the way they looked for side issues during Labours too rather than discuss the content of policy in the main.


PM Cameron was on BBC1 Marr
he is holding up strong.

The Telegraph Front page
is a beauty

[joeysteele]

PM Cameron was on BBC1 Marr
he is holding up strong.

The Telegraph Front page
is a beauty

What a weak interview, it came across as an old pals act to me.

He really didn't press David Cameron as to anything really,in the end it was just like a Party political broadcast in the main.

I am more confused than ever as to David Cameron's position as to Europe after that interview too as I am sure a great many others will be too.

[billy123]

Can I please have half off?
No but if you just hang fire for 5 mins while i and the rest of the Country that are property owners add 20% to the price of our homes we will get right back to you.

[arista]

What a weak interview, it came across as an old pals act to me.

He really didn't press David Cameron as to anything really,in the end it was just like a Party political broadcast in the main.

I am more confused than ever as to David Cameron's position as to Europe after that interview too as I am sure a great many others will be too.


yes Marr
they are mates,



Poxy BBC


Is not as Good as John Snow
of Ch4HDNews

[user104658]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29398907

More cuts, this time for the under 21s... lucky them.

I think this is a ridiculous policy, it assumes that those under 21 can simply rely on their parents for support when the sad truth is that there are many who can't.

At the very least, it should be means-tested against parental income in the same way that University loans are.

[arista]

[Osborne: 'Raise The Ambition Of The Nation'
The Chancellor says it is wrong benefits have risen faster than wages and out-of-work families had more money than those in work.]


http://news.sky.com/story/1344122/osborne-raise-the-ambition-of-the-nation


Jolly Good

[joeysteele]

The Chancellor looked a tired figure in his speech, nothing particularly new, more of the same overall.
I would guess were he to remain Chancellor after 2015,which I think and hope he will not be, we will see repeated failure after failure again as to financial targets and projections.

Also since the deficit is stuck now with nothing further coming off it for near the last 2 years by this Govt. he showed nothing really to offer after all his failures since 2010.

[user104658]

[Osborne: 'Raise The Ambition Of The Nation'
The Chancellor says it is wrong benefits have risen faster than wages and out-of-work families had more money than those in work.]


http://news.sky.com/story/1344122/osborne-raise-the-ambition-of-the-nation


Jolly Good

It is -impossible- for an out of work family to be on more money than a family in work if their circumstances are otherwise the same (same area, same number or children, same status regarding disability). It is an outright lie to suggest otherwise.

[Livia]

I'm waiting for some party to say, we'll pay you benefits for three years. If you haven't found a job after that, we'll find you one. I'd vote for them.

[joeysteele]

For me,this is like a going back in a time machine to almost 3 years ago as to the announcements today.

More 'punishing' for want of a better word as to those on benefits,what Ian Duncan Smith still fails to listen to and grasp is that in fact his reforms have caused absolute disaster for people who are not only on benefits as to being out of work, also too those who are sick, disabled and even incurably and terminally ill.

It is like listening to all they were saying 3 years ago and now they want the same time to do the same again as to hitting those who are the most vulnerable.

The daft pre paid benefit card,sounds fair enough in principle but there will always be people who will hand over cash for to cover shopping with the card, which will them allow the claimant to get other things.
They will not of course be giving the full amount that will be on the card so it will just not work the way it would be intended to.
It will likely make things worse as to addicts than do anyhting to help the situation.

Creating a 2nd class citizenship is not the way any Govt. should be going forward with now.
Freezing benefit rises again, I tell you, if I was a Conservative voter with doubts, after what I have heard today I would for sure be off.
I am sick of the weakest and most vulnerable being used as scapegoats for bad Govt. policies of all parties, including Margaret Thatcher's too.

What a bunch of smug and heartless cowards, nothing to really tackle those who really caused the problems we have today in the UK, a token gesture as to tax avoidance but little detail as to that, so I expect nothing will be really done there.

I honestly don't know how these arrogant cruel individuals sleep at night.

Benefit and welfare reform needed to and still needs to be done,not this way, not for me.
Dealing with the most vulnerable requires understanding and compassion,2 words I doubt this lot even know the meaning of.

For crying out loud and I nearly voted for this shower in 2010.

[arista]

Boris is live on BBC2HD and SkyNewsHD now

[Kizzy]

'You have permission to purr david'..... yes, go on dave purr with the rest of the fatcats in London.

[arista]

Kippers are LibDem


he would be great in a cartoon


NanoTech
GreenTech
Tech , Tech, Tech


I wish Cassetteboy would Remix this speech

[Vicky.]

I'm waiting for some party to say, we'll pay you benefits for three years. If you haven't found a job after that, we'll find you one. I'd vote for them.

Labour have pretty much said this, but 2 years not 3. Guaranteed fulltime job (think its only guaranteed to last 6 months though) after being unemployed for 2 years

[joeysteele]

Labour have pretty much said this, but 2 years not 3. Guaranteed fulltime job (think its only guaranteed to last 6 months though) after being unemployed for 2 years

It is a start however Vicky, there is always the possibility that if they show really willing and interest in the job they are doing, they could be kept on, some of them anyway.

It is plan of Labours to do what you said,however to do and guarantee more, any Govt needs to help create a whole load more vacancies to be able to assist the still high unemployment level into any work, temporary or otherwise.
Create the vacancies first then it will be far easier to solve the negative problem of unemployment.

Also too create jobs that are not zero hours contract work or as is also becoming the case,particularly in the bigger Stores, only 16 hours guaranteed work a week.
Both scenarios which have got steadily worse under this Coalition Govt.

[Vicky.]

It is a start however Vicky, there is always the possibility that if they show really willing and interest in the job they are doing, they could be kept on, some of them anyway.

It is plan of Labours to do what you said,however to do and guarantee more, any Govt needs to help create a whole load more vacancies to be able to assist the still high unemployment level into any work, temporary or otherwise.
Create the vacancies first then it will be far easier to solve the negative problem of unemployment.

Also too create jobs that are not zero hours contract work or as is also becoming the case,particularly in the bigger Stores, only 16 hours guaranteed work a week.
Both scenarios which have got steadily worse under this Coalition Govt.
They will never do away with 0 hour contracts or the true number of unemployed people would start to show. So many in those and doing 0-5 hours a week and classed as fulltime employed..its ridiculous

[joeysteele]

They will never do away with 0 hour contracts or the true number of unemployed people would start to show. So many in those and doing 0-5 hours a week and classed as fulltime employed..its ridiculous

You are right Vicky, I would love to know the full number of so called 'employed' people who in reality barely get at best 10 really full time weeks work a year who are on these contracts.

That is before you start to calculate others on what is described as part time work too.

Real unemployment falling, that is the biggest con yet as to that statement.

[arista]

The PM is doing his speech
with less tax , no income tax for some
and other good deals

[MTVN]

"I once even left Nancy down the pub"

Top stuff

[arista]

"I once even left Nancy down the pub"

Top stuff


Yes Honest.


Protect the NHS Budget

[Livia]

Labour have pretty much said this, but 2 years not 3. Guaranteed fulltime job (think its only guaranteed to last 6 months though) after being unemployed for 2 years

That's not what I meant at all.

If they haven't found a job in three years then they'll be put to work. There's lots of things people could do in order to justify the money they're given that would benefit the country and their community. Rather that than sitting on their arse surfing the Internet and watching Jeremy Kyle. If someone hasn't found a job in three years they're either not trying hard enough or they're setting their sights too high, in my opinion.

[user104658]

You are right Vicky, I would love to know the full number of so called 'employed' people who in reality barely get at best 10 really full time weeks work a year who are on these contracts.

That is before you start to calculate others on what is described as part time work too.

Real unemployment falling, that is the biggest con yet as to that statement.

Even worse are the "self-employment based opportunities" that are everywhere, supposedly guaranteed to return at least minimum wage. A friend of ours lost his job (an experienced manager at Tesco) and took up one of these on the instruction of the job center... a door to door type thing. He was putting in 70+ hour weeks and struggling to make £150 a week (less than £2.50 an hour, 35 hours at minimum wage is over £220 a week). He gave it up and was then ineligible for JSA on the basis that he had "voluntarily given up full time employment". Luckily, he found a real full-time management role fairly quickly, but they had already had to sell their car and were 3 months behind on their mortgage. If they'd been in a private rent they would probably have been evicted :/.

The jobs on offer have to be real, meaningful jobs that actually reflect what they are. If that's less than full time they should just say so - tax credits etc. at least mean that it's possible to scrape by on a part-time salary and continue looking for better without the constraints of jumping through JSA hoops.

The things they force you to attend are abysmal. I was unemployed for 6 months after Uni and avoided that fate by the skin of my teeth. I got a job after about 5.5 months but didn't start for 4 weeks so had to continue JSA... for the final two weeks they made me attend jobsearch groups (read: a room full of brawling junkies and alcoholics on one side and horrified normal people on the other) twice a week even though I already had a job (pointless hoops...). Those 5 months and especially that final two weeks were enough to open my eyes completely to the system and not wish that fate on ANYONE who is genuinely seeking work. That was in 2009, and apparently it's only gotten worse since then.

[arista]

[PM Pledges Tax Cut For Millions Of Families
David Cameron has promised to raise the 40p
tax rate to £50,000 helping thousands of
middle income earners if the Tories
win another five years in power.
In his last conference speech before the
General Election, Mr Cameron offered an array of sweeteners.
He vowed to balance the nation's books by 2016 so he could
deliver tax cuts for "hard-working families" including lifting
the tax-free allowance from £10,500 to £12,500 and
increasing the 40p tax rate from £41,900 to £50,000.
Mr Cameron attempted to paint a picture of the Tories
as the champion of the ordinary man, of families.
He said he wanted a Britain
where there was: "the chance of a job,
a home, a good start in life, whoever you are,
wherever you’re from. And by the way,
you never pull one person up by pulling other people down."]


http://news.sky.com/story/1345467/pm-pledges-tax-cut-for-millions-of-families

[Livia]

He sounds like a desperate man, to me.

[arista]

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-700/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/10/1/1412164460678/9e422861-3131-40b3-a703-62426b2d1c9a-620x372.jpeg


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/oct/01/tory-conference-2014-tory-donor-defects-to-ukip-politics-live-blog

[michael21]

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-700/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/10/1/1412164460678/9e422861-3131-40b3-a703-62426b2d1c9a-620x372.jpeg


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2014/oct/01/tory-conference-2014-tory-donor-defects-to-ukip-politics-live-blog

he wiping his sweat on her

:nono::nono::nono:

[arista]

He sounds like a desperate man, to me.

No I think
sticking to a solid plan is better
for everyones future

[MTVN]

Pretty good speech really; got all his soundbites in there, made some classic Tory promises, phrased them all articulately and coherently

Can see why people are raising questions about how they'll fund all the tax cuts though, seems a bit sneaky as well that none of them will come in until the deficit has been eliminated in 2018, particularly considering its hard to trust that they will have done so by then when originally it was supposed to have been eliminated by 2015

[michael21]

No I think
sticking to a solid plan is better
for everyones future

but he never does that the problem utter fact

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good solid speech but I just dont get the vote for nige and get milliband bollocks. You vote for who you want, end of.

[joeysteele]

A good speech for most of the already converted, not for everyone else who may be disappointed with all the acts of this Govt over the last 4 and a half years.
All I saw was yet more procrastination as to doing anything,this PM is good at saying this will be done another day then never doing it at all.

I found him insincere with nothing really new forthcoming, just more of the same and for me, sorry but I have had enough of it over the last 4+ years.

As to the NHS, thankfully most voters will see through the crocodile tears and always keep in mind his ''there will be no top down re-organsiation of the NHS'',then him doing just that.
I would not trust him with opening the door to a hospital never mind planning for the future of the NHS.

I would have liked to have heard why nothing has further been taken off the deficit for nearly 2 years now, yet he feels that doesn't matter and has governed still.
How he dare come back now and raise that failure as to clearing the deficit and say he needs another 4 to 5 years to clear it is beyond belief.

Nothing at all to impress me in this speech and actually, to me,he looked a loser today,were I still in any way sympathetic to the Conservative party cause,I would have felt deflated by this speech really.
I also don't think they have done their sums correctly either.

[Livia]

No I think
sticking to a solid plan is better
for everyones future

I would bet a month's salary that that speech has been rewritten many times since Nigel Farage's speech. The Conservatives have virtually ignored public opinion in the last four and a half years and, disastrously for them, alienated their core voters. Then up pops Farage saying all the things the Tory Party faithful want to hear and, surprisingly, what a lot of Labour voters want to hear too. I honestly think it's too late to start listening now. The Tories are crapping themselves, and in all honestly they have much about which to be crapping themselves.

[Livia]

Good solid speech but I just dont get the vote for nige and get milliband bollocks. You vote for who you want, end of.

As I recall during the last General Election, the claim was "vote for the LibDems, get Labour". It's about as close to the truth as all their other election claims and promises.

[user104658]

"He vowed to balance the nation's books by 2016"

:facepalm:

Is he also planning to reintroduce the Unicorn to fix the man made imbalance in our ecosystem?

Honestly. By 2016! They haven't "balanced the books" in the last 4 years but they're suddenly going to achieve it in one? That's got to be one of the more ridiculous pledges I've heard. I wouldn't trust any politician with a target of anything before 2020 and even that's unrealistic. If someone had a concrete plan to get it done by 2025, then I;d start to believe it.

[user104658]

This is ****ing brilliant to be fair...

0YBumQHPAeU

[Livia]

LMAO... That's brilliant TS.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is ****ing brilliant to be fair...

0YBumQHPAeU

oh god that is brilliant :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

we have the bravery

to bring back slavery


genius

[joeysteele]

The sad thing is as to that video clip which is excellent, it is likely that is more likely the things he would have loved to be able to say too.

[arista]

Its a Good Remix (Cassetteboy group are Top of their game)
with added overdubbed fecker word


But not like todays speech

[Nedusa]

Election bribes..... Pure and simple

[joeysteele]

Election bribes..... Pure and simple

It would seem that way but no one really gets anything at all now, it is all to happen in 3 to 5 years depending on the economy.

For me,this is him again asking for more blank cheques with no guarantees.
Since he never really delivered that much over the last 4 and half years,I certainly wouldn't trust him as to these measures announced yesterday.

[user104658]

It would seem that way but no one really gets anything at all now, it is all to happen in 3 to 5 years depending on the economy.

For me,this is him again asking for more blank cheques with no guarantees.
Since he never really delivered that much over the last 4 and half years,I certainly wouldn't trust him as to these measures announced yesterday.

In other words, carte blanche to promise whatever they want and then go back on it because of "the state of the economy" - much like they did with every single election pledge last time around...

[joeysteele]

In other words, carte blanche to promise whatever they want and then go back on it because of "the state of the economy" - much like they did with every single election pledge last time around...

Exactly, this has been his way all the time, promise or say something will be done but it is put off to another day, a day that never comes.

It will be the same with his EU referendum, he will come along in 2 years or so after the elction, eitehr saying the negotiations are at a critical stage or that he at that time, hasn't got the parliamentary arithmetic to get a referendum bill through,especially if a close result seemed possible.

His procrastination has driven me mad these last 4+ years and although most of the Tory press are praising this speech,which is really no surprise 7 months off an election,I expect any further time as PM being no different from him as to sidestepping and dodging so called promised issues.

I still think and really hope he is gone after 2015,he really is a man not to be trusted at all in my opinion.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/01/1412170814496_wps_71_Picture_Device_Independen.jpg

[joeysteele]

Well it was actually back into growth when this lot took office in 2010 anyway.It has taken ages to consolidate that growth they inherited and start to really improve.

One wonders where the growth may have been now had Labour won and set out to only half the deficit over 4 years with up to 20-25% less cuts.
Without the over the top more severe heartless welfare reforms and no NHS re-organisation,the growth may have been far better, as it was for 10 whole years of Labour's 13 years in power.

The severe austerity measures have held back growth really taking off.

[Shaun]

Well put, Joey. :clap2:

[Kizzy]

This is ****ing brilliant to be fair...

0YBumQHPAeU

Genius! :joker:

[Kizzy]

Well it was actually back into growth when this lot took office in 2010 anyway.It has taken ages to consolidate that growth they inherited and start to really improve.

One wonders where the growth may have been now had Labour won and set out to only half the deficit over 4 years with up to 20-25% less cuts.
Without the over the top more severe heartless welfare reforms and no NHS re-organisation,the growth may have been far better, as it was for 10 whole years of Labour's 13 years in power.

The severe austerity measures have held back growth really taking off.

Well put joey, it's so annoying hearing them bleat on about the mess 'labour' left... the recession was global :fist:

[user104658]

Well put joey, it's so annoying hearing them bleat on about the mess 'labour' left... the recession was global :fist:

Not only was it global, but it was the Thatcher era that left the UK wide open to the effects of it by encouraging / forcing London based corporatism to be the foundation of our economy. The foolish lady built our house upon the sand, and all that

and it was her who left so many families dependant on welfare (not to mention various substances) in the first place. There are so many whole families addled by addiction around here, and the vast majority of it can be traced back to that time. Typical pattern being, parents lost their livelihoods and everything else under Thatcher, started (and never stopped) drinking, and their inevitably miserable offspring took it that step further and turned to drugs.

Honestly, I can see there being a similar pattern this time around. This Tory term has sowed the seeds, Labour will in all likelihood now have another term whilst things develop, then the tories will get back in just as the issues seeded this time around are blossoming and claim that it's clearly nothing to do with them because they only just got into power.

[Kizzy]

Don't mention Thatcher I have to watch my blood pressure :laugh:
It annoyed me the proposals that those on minimum wage may not pay tax, implement a living wage and tax that!
Then everyone contributes, it's just going to lead to more 'us and them' with those on higher incomes resenting the lower paid manual laborers as well as those who don't work for not paying tax... next thing will be if you don't pay tax you don't get to vote!

[joeysteele]

Not only was it global, but it was the Thatcher era that left the UK wide open to the effects of it by encouraging / forcing London based corporatism to be the foundation of our economy. The foolish lady built our house upon the sand, and all that

and it was her who left so many families dependant on welfare (not to mention various substances) in the first place. There are so many whole families addled by addiction around here, and the vast majority of it can be traced back to that time. Typical pattern being, parents lost their livelihoods and everything else under Thatcher, started (and never stopped) drinking, and their inevitably miserable offspring took it that step further and turned to drugs.

Honestly, I can see there being a similar pattern this time around. This Tory term has sowed the seeds, Labour will in all likelihood now have another term whilst things develop, then the tories will get back in just as the issues seeded this time around are blossoming and claim that it's clearly nothing to do with them because they only just got into power.

Really interesting and good points there Toy Soldier.

[arista]

Don't mention Thatcher I have to watch my blood pressure :laugh:
It annoyed me the proposals that those on minimum wage may not pay tax, implement a living wage and tax that!
Then everyone contributes, it's just going to lead to more 'us and them' with those on higher incomes resenting the lower paid manual laborers as well as those who don't work for not paying tax... next thing will be if you don't pay tax you don't get to vote!



But Kizzy
in 1979 Labour could not sort out their Unions
no way was Labour ever going to return then


That Old Labour PM Jim C.
laughed at Maggie
saying a woman in charge...
never happen.


He was out of touch
it was the People that voted
Thatcher in.

[joeysteele]

As a footnote to this conference with all its dubious promises of nothing today but maybe a lot more in a few years.
The other thing that gets me is the Conservative party's desperation to get rid of the human rights act for the UK.

They keep telling us, when discussing overseeing policies and what are seen as snooping policies,when they are being considered or brought in, that if we have nothing to hide then we have nothing to fear.

What then is their hidden agenda that they almost obsessively want to quit the human rights act.
What is it they would like to be able to do and not have someone saying you cannot do that it is wrong.
Now okay, a lot of things are wrong and sometimes downright daft as to the Human rights but nonetheless it is a protection too.

This lot say a UK bill of rights is called for and while I could easily support that,I would only support it myself were it a full Parliamentary bill of rights and not a single party's or single Govts. creation.
Any UK bill of rights, for me, must have the support of all the Parties elected to Westminster so that all voters and all citizens have representation to its content and creation.

At the very least,if agreement from all Parties is not possible then I would settle for it being passed in Parliament with at least two thirds of all the MPs elected to Parliament, not just from MP's in the chamber at the time.
So with at least 434 MP's supporting such a UK bill of rights.

A UK bill of rights should be discussed, planned and created by every Party with MPs from the whole United Kingdom.
It should never be,or allowed to be, a solely Conservative creation or indeed solely Labour's or another Party's creation too.

[arista]

[A UK bill of rights should be discussed, planned and created by every Party with MPs from the whole United Kingdom.]


Yes it will go that way


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[CaudleHalbard]

The likelihood is there will be another hung parliament. The chances of the Tories getting an overall majority are very slim indeed.

This means it is likely there will be no bill of rights - and no EU referendum either.

[arista]

The likelihood is there will be another hung parliament. The chances of the Tories getting an overall majority are very slim indeed.

This means it is likely there week be no bill of rights - and no EU referendum either.



As long as Labour are out of power
I am happy

[joeysteele]

The likelihood is there will be another hung parliament. The chances of the Tories getting an overall majority are very slim indeed.

This means it is likely there will be no bill of rights - and no EU referendum either.

I can see a hung parliament happening although I still believe the polls are underestimating Labour's lead.
I think it is at least 5 to 6 points ahead.

I have never believed there will be a referendum, even if the Conservatives got an overall majority.
They would need an overall majority of around 90 to have any real chance of getting a referendum bill through,especially if a referendum on the EU looked like being a close result.

There are still strong EU supporters in the Conservative aprty and they would never risk the UK leaving the EU.
With only a small overall majority,at the time, Cameron would likely say,he hadn't the arithmetic to get a referendum bill through Parliament and it would be like a lot of his policies these last 4+ years be put on hold.

If however it is a hung Parliament,I expect a Labour/Lib Dem coalition will come this time,I think all efforts from all other Parties,except for the DUP in Northern Ireland, will want to see the Conservatives out of power.