View Full Version : Police probe trolls sending hate messages to McCanns
Crimson Dynamo
02-10-2014, 08:29 AM
Trolls wrongly believe that Kate and Gerry had some involvement in their daughter's disappearance
Some messages are even directed at Madeleine's younger twin siblings
Majority of those posting messages use anonymous social media accounts
One reads: 'These two should burn in hell'... 'I'll supply the lighter - happily'
Dossier calls on police and MPs to crack down on such vile abuse
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:nono: Disgusting
arista
02-10-2014, 08:35 AM
So arrest them
I am Sick of Them on My HD News
Crimson Dynamo
02-10-2014, 08:36 AM
So arrest them
I am Sick of Them on My HD News
what, trolls?
kirklancaster
02-10-2014, 09:28 AM
The Mcann's decision to leave their daughter in the hotel room whilst having drinks would not have been my choice, but that does not mean that anyone had the right to abduct the child, and the Mcanns are - obviously - innocent of any complicity, are - obviously - suffering and grief-stricken - and deserve nothing but support and sympathy. The sick bastards responsible for all the hate messages are vile and evil cowards and need to be identified and punished.
Crimson Dynamo
02-10-2014, 09:31 AM
The Mcann's decision to leave their daughter in the hotel room whilst having drinks would not have been my choice, but that does not mean that anyone had the right to abduct the child, and the Mcanns are - obviously - innocent of any complicity, are - obviously - suffering and grief-stricken - and deserve nothing but support and sympathy. The sick bastards responsible for all the hate messages are vile and evil cowards and need to be identified and punished.
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Kizzy
02-10-2014, 09:31 AM
Is this to counter the publicity into the misuse of Madelines fund?
waterhog
02-10-2014, 09:40 AM
Trolls wrongly believe that Kate and Gerry had some involvement in their daughter's disappearance
Some messages are even directed at Madeleine's younger twin siblings
Majority of those posting messages use anonymous social media accounts
One reads: 'These two should burn in hell'... 'I'll supply the lighter - happily'
Dossier calls on police and MPs to crack down on such vile abuse
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/01/1412202951221_wps_23_TWEETS_latest_jpg.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/01/1412202881159_wps_22_Kate_McCann_and_Gerry_McC.jpg
:nono: Disgusting
you got here before me - i wrote this thinking the same - shame on her -
sweepyface Troll - MaCanns - Twitter 02.10.14
look away as this is sticky
its harsh and not at all mellow
sorry if i have made you sick y
or turned your stomach yellow.
to all the trolls
your words are feeble
lowest of the low in all polls
"Good Morning Britain" made one see-able.
i think something is missing
or the brain needs rewiring
a sneaky snake sis-sing
the venom getting stronger with no tiring.
with very little intellect
i wish sympathy i could send
can the irony you detect
some of my posts have no defend.
"free speech" is our privilege
but the internet has no peace
and anyone who has "Kate or Jerry" spillage
need a authority higher then the police.
you are the weak
to post vile makes trolls venerable
there is no "houses or Parliament" speak
like all MP's no troll is ever honorable.
say your point and walk
anything more is bitter
do you want to be a victim of the stalk
your first prevention is not to publicly discuss your life on "Twitter".
( i have tried to get this to the MaCanns and i hope they get a bit of comfort from my words and no my prayers and hope is with them. you can say what ever you want about me or my awful poem but if you have anything nasty to say about Kate - Jerry or family then please do not do it here. ( you should not be doing it anywhere as this family has suffered enough.) as for twitter ? well i think sweepyface sums up the kind of people it attracts. so if you have a million hours to waste and have no hobbies or life ,please join here twitterisforlossers.com
if you want to see a vile face that put nasty words on the internet you can here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyGGDjvyPF8 or you need a recap or can help in any way you can find out more herehttp://www.findmadeleine.com/home.html not sure if the MaCanns use twitter but i am refering to the lady who was abused as i feel she has to take some responsibility in posting so much information about herself online in the first place.)
Fetch The Bolt Cutters
02-10-2014, 09:44 AM
So arrest them
I am Sick of Them on My HD News
lmao
Jordan.
02-10-2014, 09:56 AM
Stop Karezza
user104658
02-10-2014, 10:11 AM
Personally don't care if they're involved / there's a conspiracy or not - they sedated their children with over the counter medication and left them alone in a strange place. They are guilty of, at the very least, horrific neglect and don't "deserve" a minute's respite from feeling like hell for the rest of their lives. If I was one of them, and had done that, and caused the death of one of my children, I wouldn't want peace.
So arrest me. I don't think it's trolling. The mere sight of them makes many people furious, and rightly so. There is only one victim here, an innocent little girl who died horribly, years ago.
Crimson Dynamo
02-10-2014, 10:17 AM
Personally don't care if they're involved / there's a conspiracy or not - they sedated their children with over the counter medication and left them alone in a strange place. They are guilty of, at the very least, horrific neglect and don't "deserve" a minute's respite from feeling like hell for the rest of their lives. If I was one of them, and had done that, and caused the death of one of my children, I wouldn't want peace.
So arrest me. I don't think it's trolling. The mere sight of them makes many people furious, and rightly so. There is only one victim here, an innocent little girl who died horribly, years ago.
That sentiment only works if it was normal for children to be left alone to be abducted. As the chance of them being abducted was less than being struck by lightning then you must also condemn any parent who allows their children outside when the atmosphere is potentially unstable, ie summertime
Niamh.
02-10-2014, 10:24 AM
That sentiment only works if it was normal for children to be left alone to be abducted. As the chance of them being abducted was less than being struck by lightning then you must also condemn any parent who allows their children outside when the atmosphere is potentially unstable, ie summertime
Don't be ridiculous. It's not just the threat of being abducted that they were risking, the biggest worry about leaving young children, babies really, is of an accident occurring while the parents were not at home with them, a fire, one of them wandering out of the house and getting lost or run over or falling etc etc
Liam-
02-10-2014, 10:27 AM
Personally don't care if they're involved / there's a conspiracy or not - they sedated their children with over the counter medication and left them alone in a strange place. They are guilty of, at the very least, horrific neglect and don't "deserve" a minute's respite from feeling like hell for the rest of their lives. If I was one of them, and had done that, and caused the death of one of my children, I wouldn't want peace.
So arrest me. I don't think it's trolling. The mere sight of them makes many people furious, and rightly so. There is only one victim here, an innocent little girl who died horribly, years ago.
This 100% .. i feel sympathy for them that they lost a child, no-one deserves that, but when you take into account what lead to her disappearance, then all respect for them as people and parents, is lost for me, they don't deserve to be left alone, if they hadn't neglected their children so they could go on the piss, then they'd still have her and i can't get past that I'm afraid, for what they did, they deserve to feel like they do.
Crimson Dynamo
02-10-2014, 10:40 AM
Don't be ridiculous. It's not just the threat of being abducted that they were risking, the biggest worry about leaving young children, babies really, is of an accident occurring while the parents were not at home with them, a fire, one of them wandering out of the house and getting lost or run over or falling etc etc
its not the same as not being at home, it was a room in a hotel complex and both parents, having looked at the scenario (one which no one else is privvy to) decided it was quite safe. I am quite sure every parent has at one point let their children out of theuir sight, it only takes 10 seconds for a child to be abducted. They, sadly, like other parents who have had children abducted were unlucky. It is clear the perp targetted them - its not like you get paedos who go round hotels looking in every room for kids.
Niamh.
02-10-2014, 10:49 AM
its not the same as not being at home, it was a room in a hotel complex and both parents, having looked at the scenario (one which no one else is privvy to) decided it was quite safe. I am quite sure every parent has at one point let their children out of theuir sight, it only takes 10 seconds for a child to be abducted. They, sadly, like other parents who have had children abducted were unlucky. It is clear the perp targetted them - its not like you get paedos who go round hotels looking in every room for kids.
Well first of all it wasn't a hotel room, it was an apartment. Comparing every parent having been in a situation where their child is out of their sight for a few seconds to actually leaving your children alone in an apartment for hours while you go off drinking is quite frankly pretty insulting. If there was a "perp" then of course he targeted them because he would have known they were irresponsible enough to go out and leave their babies alone for hours on end. And to make all this even worse, even if the McCanns were stupid enough to think what they were doing was perfectly safe and fine, how do you excuse the fact that only the night before maddie had told them she woke up scared and looking for them and cried when she couldn't find them but they still went off out again the following night? If my child said that to me, I would be mortified and absolutely disgusted with myself and I would certainly never do it again (not that I would ever have left my children like that anyway)
Kizzy
02-10-2014, 10:52 AM
its not the same as not being at home, it was a room in a hotel complex and both parents, having looked at the scenario (one which no one else is privvy to) decided it was quite safe. I am quite sure every parent has at one point let their children out of theuir sight, it only takes 10 seconds for a child to be abducted. They, sadly, like other parents who have had children abducted were unlucky. It is clear the perp targetted them - its not like you get paedos who go round hotels looking in every room for kids.
How do you know they weren't spotted leaving the night before for dinner without the children by someone who knew they had 3 children, and watched to see if they did it again?
It also wasn't a hotel but an apartment complex ... like a normal street.
Livia
02-10-2014, 10:53 AM
Heaven help this place if some of the comments made on here (I'm not referring to this thread, but previous threads) about the McCanns and you probably all know the posts to which I refer. I've been quite sickened by some of the comments that have been allowed to stand. Everyone has a right to think what they like about what happened and to voice their opinions. But they're not allowed to libel. Some people think they have access to real evidence because they've read something on the Internet, or they've listened to other people's opinion as if because it is written, then it is true. It's ludicrous. I'm not saying the McCann's did the right thing, they didn't. But the they have to live with the tragic consequences of their actions every day of their lives, and some people seem to be enjoying that fact and even wishing on them the absolute hell they must go through as a consequence of their neglectful action. Of course, all those people enjoying the McCann's pain are exemplary parents every day of their lives and never, ever do anything stupid of neglectful.
arista
02-10-2014, 01:06 PM
what, trolls?
No Anything to do with the McCanns
I can not take any more
user104658
02-10-2014, 02:34 PM
Heaven help this place if some of the comments made on here (I'm not referring to this thread, but previous threads) about the McCanns and you probably all know the posts to which I refer. I've been quite sickened by some of the comments that have been allowed to stand. Everyone has a right to think what they like about what happened and to voice their opinions. But they're not allowed to libel. Some people think they have access to real evidence because they've read something on the Internet, or they've listened to other people's opinion as if because it is written, then it is true. It's ludicrous. I'm not saying the McCann's did the right thing, they didn't. But the they have to live with the tragic consequences of their actions every day of their lives, and some people seem to be enjoying that fact and even wishing on them the absolute hell they must go through as a consequence of their neglectful action. Of course, all those people enjoying the McCann's pain are exemplary parents every day of their lives and never, ever do anything stupid of neglectful.
If that little girl was indeed abducted by a violent paedophile then any suffering that the mccanns have experienced as a result is so trivial in comparison to the suffering that Madeleine herself would have had to endure, that it's bordering on insignificant.
Marsh.
02-10-2014, 02:40 PM
If that little girl was indeed abducted by a violent paedophile then any suffering that the mccanns have experienced as a result is so trivial in comparison to the suffering that Madeleine herself would have had to endure, that it's bordering on insignificant.
So what do you suggest, we have the McCann's abused and murdered to even the score? :conf: I'm not sure making such comparisons is helpful.
Crimson Dynamo
02-10-2014, 02:41 PM
No Anything to do with the McCanns
I can not take any more
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Livia
02-10-2014, 02:43 PM
If that little girl was indeed abducted by a violent paedophile then any suffering that the mccanns have experienced as a result is so trivial in comparison to the suffering that Madeleine herself would have had to endure, that it's bordering on insignificant.
You think that because I don't think the McCanns should be vilified forever but treated with a certain amount of pity, then I can't fully grasp what may have happened to that little girl? They don't know for sure their daughter is dead, and even if she is they can't even lay her to rest... they will probably never know what happened to her and have to live with that thought forever. But that isn't enough, is it. They did something incredibly stupid and negligent and now some people are delighting in their suffering and the constant trolling, slandering and libelling is uncomfortable to watch.
arista
02-10-2014, 02:58 PM
Stop it LT
Enough is Enough
Crimson Dynamo
02-10-2014, 03:05 PM
Stop it LT
Enough is Enough
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Watch this today on sky news HD
kirklancaster
02-10-2014, 03:47 PM
You think that because I don't think the McCanns should be vilified forever but treated with a certain amount of pity, then I can't fully grasp what may have happened to that little girl? They don't know for sure their daughter is dead, and even if she is they can't even lay her to rest... they will probably never know what happened to her and have to live with that thought forever. But that isn't enough, is it. They did something incredibly stupid and negligent and now some people are delighting in their suffering and the constant trolling, slandering and libelling is uncomfortable to watch.
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They were culpable as parents in leaving little Maddie as they did, but I find it incredible that more hatred seems to be directed at them than the abductors, and I'm shocked by how some people are wanting the Mcanns to suffer even more than they are - so clearly - suffering. I know that I would be grief-stricken if my child went missing, and I know that I just couldn't cope if my child went missing because of any neglect on my part, so I really do believe that the Mcanns live every day with regret and self-punishment at their mistake.
I still feel they need support and sympathy not hate mail.
user104658
02-10-2014, 06:10 PM
You think that because I don't think the McCanns should be vilified forever but treated with a certain amount of pity, then I can't fully grasp what may have happened to that little girl? They don't know for sure their daughter is dead, and even if she is they can't even lay her to rest... they will probably never know what happened to her and have to live with that thought forever. But that isn't enough, is it. They did something incredibly stupid and negligent and now some people are delighting in their suffering and the constant trolling, slandering and libelling is uncomfortable to watch.
I don't delight in any of it, I would love to see justice served properly in this case, meaning that both of them should have faced prison time for negligence. Frankly, if they weren't middle class doctors with political connections they probably would have.
I have a massive, massive problem with what they did being excused because of the fact that they are suffering anyway - it sends a message that their actions were OK / normal / understandable / just unlucky rather than criminally negligent. They didn't just leave them alone. They almost certainly put them under sedation with over the counter antihistamines. This sort of thing is SHOCKINGLY common and a message has to be sent, whatever the cost, that it is not OK or normal or vaguely acceptable to endanger your children in this way.
Anyone can make an absent minded mistake. Anyone can get distracted and endanger someone in their care. This is not that. This was deliberate, calculated, blatant negligence. If they have to suffer more in order for just one more person to get the message that their actions were mind-boggling complacent then so be it.
Livia
02-10-2014, 06:38 PM
I don't delight in any of it, I would love to see justice served properly in this case, meaning that both of them should have faced prison time for negligence. Frankly, if they weren't middle class doctors with political connections they probably would have.
I have a massive, massive problem with what they did being excused because of the fact that they are suffering anyway - it sends a message that their actions were OK / normal / understandable / just unlucky rather than criminally negligent. They didn't just leave them alone. They almost certainly put them under sedation with over the counter antihistamines. This sort of thing is SHOCKINGLY common and a message has to be sent, whatever the cost, that it is not OK or normal or vaguely acceptable to endanger your children in this way.
Anyone can make an absent minded mistake. Anyone can get distracted and endanger someone in their care. This is not that. This was deliberate, calculated, blatant negligence. If they have to suffer more in order for just one more person to get the message that their actions were mind-boggling complacent then so be it.
I didn't mean that you personally were delighting in this, but you have to admit there are some pretty disgusting posts, both on this forum and on others, made by people who are clearly out to destroy the McCanns. If there was any evidence that they were involved I'm confident that they would have been charged by now.
I think the most telling words in what you said are "They almost certainly put them under sedation with over the counter antihistamines...". "Almost certainly" is not evidence. It's mostly hearsay, and whether or not there is any truth in those allegations, it's fair to say that no one here is privy to that evidence if it exists at all.
I would say that if the McCanns were as guilty as some people believe - and I'm not for one minute suggesting they did nothing wrong because of course they did - then why do they not just let it drop and blow over? Instead they've taken every opportunity to keep their daughter's name in the press and in people's minds. Everyone makes mistakes, on rare occasions those mistakes result in an horrendous crime. The person toward whom the venom should be directed in my opinion is the monster who took the child. Sadly, sometimes the fact that she was taken by a monster is overshadowed by people's indignation over the McCann's actions. It seems hideously skewed to me.
Again, I'm not addressing my comments to you personally and naturally you have a perfect right to you own opinion. It's when people's opinions roll over into the territory of trolling at best and libel at worst that I find it totally unacceptable.
Jack_
02-10-2014, 07:03 PM
I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.
I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.
joeysteele
02-10-2014, 07:12 PM
I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.
I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.
Always a good thing to have you join in and post Jack,I agree with all that.
..I do think that they were extremely negligent, I don't think that the children should have been left alone, it's inconceivable to me that a parent could do that, not only once but again after Madeleine told them that she had woken the night before but they have had seven years already of having to live with that, with what they did...and seven years of not knowing where there daughter is or what happened to her, that in itself must be the worst sort of 'punishment' that a parent could have..the not knowing...I would think that they're their own 'torturers', they don't need anyone to constantly judge them because they must judge themselves every single day ...what good would them being charged and possibly convicted of negligence do for Madeleine..it wouldn't change anything but it would mean that their other children wouldn't have their parents if they did have to serve prison time...how would that be a good thing for any of them....
..I honestly think that Kate especially was 'judged' by many of the public almost from the minute it was known that Madeleine had been taken because she didn't 'look as though she was grieving' enough...but who's to say what someone who is grieving should look like, is there a certain way that people are expected to be..?...no, everyone is different and copes with their emotions differently...yes, they may have been negligent, I have no idea what they were thinking by leaving her alone, in my opinion it was completely wrong but it's been seven years, surely enough is enough and they've suffered enough judgement as well as the heartbreak of losing their daughter and not knowing what happened to her....
..and also...I don't know if it's a good analogy but there was a thread a little while ago/a story..it was about a father who left his child in the backseat of his car in the full heat of the day and his son suffered an extremely painful death...he had forgotten that his son was there and he had forgotten to drop him off at nursery school...I remember reading about it on a few sites and there were many who showed sympathy in that, the father would have to live with what he did for the rest of his life and that's the worst punishment a parent could ever have, nothing you could do to him would be worse than what he himself had to live with....it was negligent, I don't think there's any question of that...but why so much coldness and so much unrelenting lack of compassion toward the McCanns for something that must torture them every single day...
AnnieK
02-10-2014, 07:50 PM
I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.
I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.
Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.
I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.
kirklancaster
02-10-2014, 08:32 PM
I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.
I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.
I think that any rational person would care equally in cases such as these which involve children, no matter what social background or 'class' the principals are.
kirklancaster
02-10-2014, 08:34 PM
Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.
I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.
There is a lot of truth in your post. I think so too.
Livia
02-10-2014, 08:42 PM
I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.
I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.
Freedom of speech does not set you free from libel and slander. If you say something on the Internet it is exactly the same as saying it aloud or writing it anywhere else. It saddens me when people try to invoke free speech to protect the stupidest, rudest most ignorant people in society and to free them up to spout their bile that has only one intention and that is to be hurtful. To see people claim freedom of speech in cases like this is to diminish what freedom of speech actually is.
I don't understand what you're getting at with the Shannon Matthews comment. Until the sorry plot was uncovered I would say generally people were concerned for the child and sympathetic to the family. Their background was not an issue, and the way it turned out it seems strange you would hold that up as an example.
Livia
02-10-2014, 08:44 PM
Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.
I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.
Totally agree, Annie.
Niamh.
02-10-2014, 08:48 PM
..and also...I don't know if it's a good analogy but there was a thread a little while ago/a story..it was about a father who left his child in the backseat of his car in the full heat of the day and his son suffered an extremely painful death...he had forgotten that his son was there and he had forgotten to drop him off at nursery school...I remember reading about it on a few sites and there were many who showed sympathy in that, the father would have to live with what he did for the rest of his life and that's the worst punishment a parent could ever have, nothing you could do to him would be worse than what he himself had to live with....it was negligent, I don't think there's any question of that...but why so much coldness and so much unrelenting lack of compassion toward the McCanns for something that must torture them every single day...
I guess the difference is that that was an accident? He didn't purposely leave the child in the car where as the McCanns did decide to leave their children alone that night even after Maddie had told them that she'd woken the night before and had been crying when she couldn't find them?
Marsh.
02-10-2014, 08:49 PM
I guess the difference is that that was an accident? He didn't purposely leave the child in the car where as the McCanns did decide to leave their children alone that night even after Maddie had told them that she'd woken the night before and had been crying when she couldn't find them?
This is the part that always gets to me.
We all make mistakes but making them several times leading to harsher consequences I will never understand.
Not that I don't have compassion for what they've gone through the last 7 years of course.
Niamh.
02-10-2014, 08:59 PM
This is the part that always gets to me.
We all make mistakes but making them several times leading to harsher consequences I will never understand.
Not that I don't have compassion for what they've gone through the last 7 years of course.
Yeah, I'm not for a second claiming to be a perfect parent or say I've not made mistakes myself, it's just no matter how hard I try to I can't put myself into their shoes and imagine how any decent parent could ever think that what they did was ok or how any parent could be that cold as to actually do it again after your 4 year old told you they were scared and cried when they woke up alone in a strange place and had no idea where you or any other adult was
Livia
02-10-2014, 09:06 PM
Yeah, I'm not for a second claiming to be a perfect parent or say I've not made mistakes myself, it's just no matter how hard I try to I can't put myself into their shoes and imagine how any decent parent could ever think that what they did was ok or how any parent could be that cold as to actually do it again after your 4 year old told you they were scared and cried when they woke up alone in a strange place and had no idea where you or any other adult was
And you don't feel a modicum of sympathy for the terrible result of their decision? I feel sorry for them, knowing that it was their actions that allowed some monster to take their child. It'd be bad enough in any case, but knowing they could have prevented it, the regret must torture them.
I haven't seen much hatred, or even much discussion, surrounding the person who took Maddie, only toward the McCanns, and I find that hard to fathom.
Creggle
02-10-2014, 09:25 PM
They're using what happened to their daughter as a way to generate income. People should stop having opinions on them all together tbh, then they'd fade away.
I guess the difference is that that was an accident? He didn't purposely leave the child in the car where as the McCanns did decide to leave their children alone that night even after Maddie had told them that she'd woken the night before and had been crying when she couldn't find them?
..yeah, I do get what you're saying and I do think it was negligent but I think the other case with the father was also negligent..I think as a parent, both things would be inconceivable to me, either forgetting my child was there for an entire day or leaving my children while I went out for an evening, even once..let alone a second time...I know that two situations are never identical but I guess what I'm trying to say is that both were negligent parenting but with one, there was a certain level of 'sympathy' in that the father has to live with what he did for the rest of his life and that is the worst kind of 'punishment' for a parent anyway..I can't imagine any 'hate' that could be worse than the hate he must feel for himself and the result of his actions, it's a 'prison' that he will never escape...
..the thing with Madeleine saying that she had woken up the night before, yeah I know, that's awful/heartbreaking..but it was Kate herself that revealed that and she didn't have to...she's kind of brought a certain amount of judgement on herself with that..maybe she subconsciously wanted to be 'punished' the way she punishes herself over that night/who knows but to me, she would never have said that if she knew something about Madeleine's disappearance, which is what many of the public who 'hate' on the McCanns believe...wouldn't that just be stupid to say that and by someone who has been described as very 'composed' etc...also why would they keep the case in such high profile, wouldn't they want it all to 'go away'....anyway, it seems to me that the 'McCann hate' though came long before that was revealed ..almost from the moment that Madeleine went missing...they didn't use the 'right' terminology when they discovered she was missing, they didn't show the 'right' emotions publicly...Kate came across as 'cold'...but she looked like someone in shock to me...many of the public just didn't take to them, which I can understand but with that, it automatically meant to some members of the public that they were guilty of something much more sinister than negligence ..they had already been tried and found guilty and I think that public judgement was then also going to be more severe and hateful for them than a lot of other parents who may also have shown negligence with their children....it's almost like on some sites and with some people, that 'hate' for Gerry and Kate is far more a motivation for malicious comments than anything else/any concerns in finding Madeleine...and Madeleine's disappearance is always going to be a 'legacy' for her siblings, what happened to her etc... but I can't see that having to read about the hate for their parents as well and the 'theories' could be anything other than more damaging to them and how could it have been or ever be good for their welfare for Kate and Gerry to be charged with negligence and maybe imprisoned.. ..is seven years of relentless 'hate' not enough for the public to have shown their disapproval of the McCann's actions and decisions that night...
...some of the public maybe feel that there should have been charges of negligence but there wasn't..they have though been 'punished' for seven years, both by having to live with the consequences and with public hate...with anything else, they are totally innocent..they are innocent because they haven't been charged so the law says they are innocent ..and really all we have is the law because without that, there would just be 'mob lynching'..or maybe 'internet lynching' .. which is why I think that people who do say some of the disgusting and hate-filled things that have been said on Twitter in this case should be held accountable for the things they say...
arista
03-10-2014, 04:58 AM
I don't see the problem, for a start the majority of those are clearly jokes, secondly they don't even appear to have been sent directly to the McCann's as claimed and have been posted on their personal Twitter accounts (in which case freedom of speech blah blah blah) and lastly regardless of whether Kate and Gerry are responsible or not (I don't really have an opinion) they still left a three children of unacceptably young ages alone in a foreign country, contempt is to be expected.
I wonder if the people who care so much about them cared so much about Shannon Matthews and her family before the truth to that case was revealed.
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/1/339575/default/v1/cegrab-20141001-232527-211-1-762x428.jpg
http://news.sky.com/story/1345871/evil-trolls-in-hate-campaign-against-mccanns
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/2/339580/default/v1/social-media-for-emily-1-762x428.jpg
[Many social media users have expressed anger
towards the internet trolls following news of the investigation into abuse of the McCanns.
However, a significant number have also voiced their support for ‘Sweepyface’,
who has since deactivated her Twitter account.
In addition to threats and abuse, several trolls have claimed to live
nearby to the McCanns in Leicestershire and reported on their movements.
The campaigner spearheading the appeal - who has asked to
remain anonymous - told Sky News: "We're very worried that it's only going
to take somebody to act out of some of these discussions, some of the threats
that have been made, and we couldn't live with ourselves if that happened and we had done nothing."]
This Reporter Martin Brunt is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlQJbsVs48
SkyNews is now Live on a YouTube link and you click 1080PHD on the setting
[ This is SkyNewsInternational which never has a clock, therefore we also have no ad breaks ]
..anyway, I guess what I meant to say (in fewer words..)..is that public hatred for the McCanns imo happened long before it was ever known that Madeleine woke up the night before, which Kate revealed herself anyway and before many other things were known and it's been a very 'determined' hate which would always find some release... and sadly, hate quite often clouds other things, like how it's going to be for Madeleine's siblings to read this stuff about their parents and the 'theories' and that I think it was in their best interests to have their parents with them through these seven years....so yeah, negligent but I can't see the value on an already broken family of them having being charged and convicted...
joeysteele
03-10-2014, 06:09 AM
I guess the difference is that that was an accident? He didn't purposely leave the child in the car where as the McCanns did decide to leave their children alone that night even after Maddie had told them that she'd woken the night before and had been crying when she couldn't find them?
This is it, it wasn't just Madeleine that was left but 2 younger children with her too. I have never understood that,my Parents would never have ever left me on my own at that age for any reason,let alone just to go socialising.
Niamh.
03-10-2014, 08:54 AM
And you don't feel a modicum of sympathy for the terrible result of their decision? I feel sorry for them, knowing that it was their actions that allowed some monster to take their child. It'd be bad enough in any case, but knowing they could have prevented it, the regret must torture them.
I haven't seen much hatred, or even much discussion, surrounding the person who took Maddie, only toward the McCanns, and I find that hard to fathom.
Because this "person who took Maddie" is only a theory, there is no evidence to say she was actually abducted, it's just what they think was the most likely theory :shrug: No one actually knows for sure what happened to maddie so how can anyone discuss or direct any hatred towards him/her/them?
user104658
03-10-2014, 09:24 AM
I didn't mean that you personally were delighting in this, but you have to admit there are some pretty disgusting posts, both on this forum and on others, made by people who are clearly out to destroy the McCanns.,,
There are if course disgusting posts but I don't find any of the accusatory ones to be disgusting, whether right or wrong. There are people who genuinely take pleasure in things like this (and in any "horror story") and that is disgusting, there's nothing funny about any of it no matter what happened to her, but then on a broader scale... Desensitisation is just what happens with media saturation. Trolls will find any reason to troll. I don't feel like they've been targeted more than many other "celebrities" which is unfortunately what they've become.
If there was any evidence that they were involved I'm confident that they would have been charged by now.
I think the most telling words in what you said are "They almost certainly put them under sedation with over the counter antihistamines...". "Almost certainly" is not evidence. It's mostly hearsay, and whether or not there is any truth in those allegations, it's fair to say that no one here is privy to that evidence if it exists at all.
I would say that if the McCanns were as guilty as some people believe - and I'm not for one minute suggesting they did nothing wrong because of course they did - then why do they not just let it drop and blow over? Instead they've taken every opportunity to keep their daughter's name in the press and in people's minds.
almost certainly because whilst it has been established that the other two children had been sedated, the McCann's offered the explanation that the kidnapper sedated all three kids before taking her. Given the somewhat shocking "popularity" of sedating children for convenience, the fact that both McCann's are doctors, that they had had trouble with the kids the night before, and that they went out socialising again... I find that explanation extremely dubious and pretty much on the periphery of plausibility.
As for why they might not just let it blow over - less than 20% of the donated funds have gone into looking for maddy with substantially more spend on lawyers protecting the parents from legal scrutiny and attempting to protect then from public scrutiny. That much is fact. The reasons for that are conjecture.
Everyone makes mistakes, on rare occasions those mistakes result in an horrendous crime. The person toward whom the venom should be directed in my opinion is the monster who took the child. Sadly, sometimes the fact that she was taken by a monster is overshadowed by people's indignation over the McCann's actions. It seems hideously skewed to me.
It depends on whether or not you believe that she was indeed abducted, I suppose. It may be conspiracy theory territory but it's perfectly viable: her abduction is not fact, it is the current line of enquiry and has been for almost the entire time, but at the end of the day the case is UNSOLVED. No one knows what actually happened to her. I personally am a believer in the good old razor and find "she was drowsy in a strange room with a hard floor, she fell and hit her head and they panicked" more realistic than the one in a million stealthy ninja ghoul child snatcher who entered through the patio, no wait, a tiny window, no wait, he had a key somehow, and drugs to sedate them, and he then slipped away unseen and unheard never to repeat offend.
Regardless, like I said, the case is unsolved and no matter what anyone may think, either (or any other) explanation could be true. It's not for anyone to state anything as truth, but we can decide which we find most plausible.
And like I said earlier in the thread, for me it doesn't matter. Whether she was abducted or had an accident is irrelevant although I personally HOPE she did have an accident because at least then she might not have suffered... But anyway, it doesn't matter because the facts outside of that remain the same.
They neglected her and caused her death.
And I agree that anyone can make a mistake with tragic consequences, but that's not really relevant either... Prisons are full of people who made mistakes with tragic consequences. Drunk drivers who knocked children off of their bikes and killed them. Who will also be wracked with guilt for the rest of their lives. It isn't and shouldn't be a get out of jail free card. They should have been charged with negligence but there's never even been a sniff of it.
Interesting comparison: a young woman in my town had her 3 year old daughter taken into care because she left her at home in bed and went out to a club. Nothing even happened to the girl, someone just informed social services. This is right. She was dangerously negligent. I am 100% convinced that if her daughter had died or been harmed, that women would be behind bars. The same should obviously apply.
I think what bothers me most of all, though, is that in all of their publicity they have never once attempted to say "please for the love of God, to all parents, don't make this same mistake". They have always avoided blame or guilt, and branded themselves as unlucky victims.
I don't think Maddy will ever see any sort of justice. No matter what happened to her.
Niamh.
03-10-2014, 09:29 AM
Great Post TS
CaudleHalbard
03-10-2014, 10:10 AM
Because this "person who took Maddie" is only a theory, there is no evidence to say she was actually abducted, it's just what they think was the most likely theory :shrug: No one actually knows for sure what happened to maddie so how can anyone discuss or direct any hatred towards him/her/them?
It slightly annoys me when the media talk of Maddie being "taken" or "abducted".
There is no evidence of such an act.
On the other hand, there is purportedly evidence (albeit hotly disputed by the McCanns) that the child died in their holiday apartment. An English translation of Gonçalo Amaral's book is online; whether or not you agree with its conclusions, it is worth reading if you are at all interested in this very strange case.
Niamh.
03-10-2014, 10:14 AM
It slightly annoys me when the media talk of Maddie being "taken" or "abducted".
There is no evidence of such an act.
On the other hand, there is purportedly evidence (albeit hotly disputed by the McCanns) that the child died in their holiday apartment. An English translation of Gonçalo Amaral's book is online; whether or not you agree with its conclusions, it is worth reading if you are at all interested in this very strange case.
Yeah, I am definitely going to get round to reading that
Kizzy
03-10-2014, 11:16 AM
Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.
I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.
I do think they got off neglect charges due to their class, however I don't feel the backlash is due to a class issue but the lack of accountability they faced due to the disappearance.
Kazanne
03-10-2014, 11:24 AM
And you don't feel a modicum of sympathy for the terrible result of their decision? I feel sorry for them, knowing that it was their actions that allowed some monster to take their child. It'd be bad enough in any case, but knowing they could have prevented it, the regret must torture them.
I haven't seen much hatred, or even much discussion, surrounding the person who took Maddie, only toward the McCanns, and I find that hard to fathom.
A lot of people don't believe she was taken Livia,and there is no proof she was.just sayin'.
Kazanne
03-10-2014, 11:29 AM
I do think they got off neglect charges due to their class, however I don't feel the backlash is due to a class issue but the lack of accountability they faced due to the disappearance.
I agree,Kizzy,plus the fact,they didn't physically search for her,some questions unanswered by kate also conflicting stories by some,and their seemingly lack of sorrow as soon as she disappeared,I know people react differently but,I just know ther is no way I could have gone out jogging etc.I am sure I would have had to be sedated,I don't know what happened to her,but I am not sure she was abducted,there are just too many unanswered questions,it seems to be more a money making thing now.
Kizzy
03-10-2014, 11:39 AM
A lot of people don't believe she was taken Livia,and there is no proof she was.just sayin'.
No sign of a forced entry was there? So to say she was abducted is supposition at best.
Kazanne
03-10-2014, 11:56 AM
No sign of a forced entry was there? So to say she was abducted is supposition at best.
I still think she could easily have wondered off Kizzy.
AnnieK
03-10-2014, 12:02 PM
No sign of a forced entry was there? So to say she was abducted is supposition at best.
There wouldn't need to be forced entry though - I thought they left the door unlocked?
Kizzy
03-10-2014, 12:10 PM
Yep there are lots of scenarios that should be given as much thought as that theory for me, with all unsolved cases there's always going to be speculation and conspiracy theories flying about.
Kizzy
03-10-2014, 12:12 PM
There wouldn't need to be forced entry though - I thought they left the door unlocked?
That's what I meant, there was no sign of a forced entry as they left a door unlocked so there's no evidence there was ever an 'abductor' in the building.
Niamh.
03-10-2014, 12:20 PM
On the subject of forced entry, what exactly was the story with the "jemmied" window shutters? Didn't the McCanns claim that was the case but it was disproved after?
Kizzy
03-10-2014, 12:30 PM
On the subject of forced entry, what exactly was the story with the "jemmied" window shutters? Didn't the McCanns claim that was the case but it was disproved after?
There are lots of references to the shutters here Niamh
It clearly implies that the last check was done at 9.15pm, before Kate discovered Madeleine missing at 10.00pm. This fits in with Gerry's check at 9.05pm but would appear to cast doubt on Matthew Oldfield's alleged check at 9.30pm.
3) She states how the window shutters which 'had been closed since we arrived on Saturday, were open along with the window'. This makes it even more remarkable that, on 6 separate occasions, members of the group walked past them and didn't see, or register, they were wide open and supposedly damaged. Jane Tanner walked past 3 times, Russell O'Brien walked past twice and Matthew Oldfield allegedly stood in the apartment , at the entrance to the room, and had a 'cursory' look inside. The window, behind the shutter, would almost certainly have needed to be forced or smashed to gain entry - there was no evidence of any forced entry anywhere in the apartment.
4) She states that the window shutters 'can be opened from the outside' but we know this to be incorrect. It is impossible to open the shutters from the outside. The shutters are made from heavy metal and are ratcheted so they can only be opened from the inside the apartment.
5) She continues: 'The door to the room was shut'. This clearly contradicts Kate's later story that the door had been open. Kate stated that she immediately knew there had been an abduction because, as she opened the patio doors, the door slammed shut when the wind whistled through the apartment.
6) She reaffirms the version of events reported in the immediate phone calls to Kate and Gerry's family/friends, that the 'abductor' entered through the window and escaped by the front door. Yet, we are now led to believe that the abductor entered through open patio doors and escaped by the window. How could she get this so wrong when she was actually there?
Ok, so she 'knew' there had been an abduction due to the open window, did the door slamming not disturb the twins?
Why did she then race back around to the bar without the twins to raise the alarm risking them being 'abducted' too?
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html
Niamh.
03-10-2014, 12:48 PM
Thanks Kizzy
user104658
03-10-2014, 04:53 PM
It's really only the British press that have furthered the idea that the disappearance = abduction is "fact". All that is actually established fact is that she did indeed disappear.
In truth, they have no witnesses, no established motive, no suspects that haven't been ruled out, no pattern of other similar offences, and no established chain of events.
It's still a complete mystery what happened to her. I suspect it's one that may be slowly unravelled in 50 year's time and be shown in a historical documentary, when everyone involved is dead and buried either way.
Brother Leon
03-10-2014, 05:04 PM
Terrible parenting and they should have lost their other kids.
http://cdn.swaggernewyork.com/media/2014/06/Kermit-But-Thats-none-of-my-business-.jpg
AnnieK
03-10-2014, 05:55 PM
I actually don't think anyone will ever know what happened that night. Part of me hopes the McCanns did over sedate her because the alternative thought is too horrible to contemplate.
Gusto Brunt
03-10-2014, 05:57 PM
I wouldn't trust the McCanns as far as I could throw them.
But I wouldn't risk arrest and jail telling THEM what the rest of us already know.
Niamh.
03-10-2014, 06:47 PM
I actually don't think anyone will ever know what happened that night. Part of me hopes the McCanns did over sedate her because the alternative thought is too horrible to contemplate.
Yeah, definitely
CaudleHalbard
03-10-2014, 08:29 PM
I actually don't think anyone will ever know what happened that night. Part of me hopes the McCanns did over sedate her because the alternative thought is too horrible to contemplate.
I'm afraid there is just a possibility that "poor Kate and Gerry" know exactly what happened. It is because of that suspicion they are getting all the Twitter hate. Not just because of child neglect.
I do wish they would search around the golf course that Gerry spent a few hours at, a few days after Maddie went missing. We know, with absolute certainty, he didn't play golf but he has never offered an explanation why he went there. There could be an innocent reason, of course................ but it is a bit odd.
I sincerely wish Kate would answer the 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2500864/Madeleine-McCann-Kate-McCann-refused-to-answer-48-questions-from-Portuguese-police.html
At the very least the British police should have asked her these questions. No. 41 is rather curious: not the sort of question you'd ask unless you had some prior knowledge?
I have read extensively about this case and I've concluded Maddie was actually a rather difficult child and, I'm very sad to say, I don't think she was loved as much as her parents would have us believe. :(
Crimson Dynamo
05-10-2014, 05:41 PM
Internet troll who targeted McCanns found dead in hotel room days after fleeing home when she was revealed to be behind online campaign of vitriol
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2781377/BREAKING-NEWS-Internet-troll-targeted-McCanns-dead-hotel-room-days-fleeing-home.html#ixzz3FIFo9gw7
user104658
05-10-2014, 06:01 PM
Internet troll who targeted McCanns found dead in hotel room days after fleeing home when she was revealed to be behind online campaign of vitriol
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2781377/BREAKING-NEWS-Internet-troll-targeted-McCanns-dead-hotel-room-days-fleeing-home.html#ixzz3FIFo9gw7
The tabloid rags that plastered this woman's face all over their front covers are guilty of causing her death. Simple as that.
kirklancaster
06-10-2014, 05:00 AM
The tabloid rags that plastered this woman's face all over their front covers are guilty of causing her death. Simple as that.
Have to agree.
kirklancaster
06-10-2014, 05:30 AM
I passionately condemned on here, the internet trolling and hate campaign against the McCanns, and I still do not agree with it, but I must admit, after reading certain posts on here, following certain links on here, and following up with further reading, I am now not so certain as I was that the McCanns are innocent in all this. I just don't know now.
..I'm presuming that she killed herself/terribly sad...but thinking about the 'meaning of life'/thread..it's also terribly sad that she spent so much of her life 'hating', life is too short and hate is just a pointless energy..the person it hurts most is yourself/it's like a pebble skimming the water and the ripples of hate just grow and grow and consume...
arista
06-10-2014, 06:52 AM
..I'm presuming that she killed herself/terribly sad...but thinking about the 'meaning of life'/thread..it's also terribly sad that she spent so much of her life 'hating', life is too short and hate is just a pointless energy..the person it hurts most is yourself/it's like a pebble skimming the water and the ripples of hate just grow and grow and consume...
yes
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/1/339575/default/v1/cegrab-20141001-232527-211-1-942x530.jpg
I thought when I viewed Martin Brunt catching her outside he home
on SkyNewsHD
she would get trouble.
Brunt is like a Copper
so good at his job.
http://news.sky.com/story/1347948/mccann-abuser-believed-to-have-been-found-dead
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/05/article-2781377-21F9BFD800000578-809_964x384.jpg
..he isn't good at his job though, is he...where was the value of what he did for her or her family or even for the McCanns...there are thousands of 'internet trolls' out there saying very hateful things, why should she be singled out, he very much holds some responsibility for this tragedy...
arista
06-10-2014, 07:00 AM
..he isn't good at his job though, is he...where was the value of what he did for her or her family or even for the McCanns...there are thousands of 'internet trolls' out there saying very hateful things, why should she be singled out, he very much holds some responsibility for this tragedy...
He is as we got got to see the Guilty Face
of a Church women who is a troll.
She was Located first.
The fact she topped herself is
down to her own private problem
of being Found Out
Live
He is as we got got to see the Guilty Face
of a Church women who is a troll.
She was Located first.
The fact she topped herself is
down to her own private problem
of being Found Out
Live
..yeah, maybe she did have a 'problem' in how much her feelings for the McCanns absorbed her and maybe spent much pointless time of trying to 'expose' them in what she herself felt they were guilty of..as much as I don't condone what she did, at least she did it out of a 'passion'/something she felt strongly about...what he did in 'exposing' her was no better at all/irony...it's not up to the public/the media etc to 'expose' and decide where guilt should be laid..that is only for courts to decide otherwise all we have is glorified lynch mobs..wasn't that the whole point of why he 'located' her in the first place...
arista
06-10-2014, 07:14 AM
..yeah, maybe she did have a 'problem' in how much her feelings for the McCanns absorbed her and maybe spent much pointless time of trying to 'expose' them in what she herself felt they were guilty of..as much as I don't condone what she did, at least she did it out of a 'passion'/something she felt strongly about...what he did in 'exposing' her was no better at all/irony...it's not up to the public/the media etc to 'expose' and decide where guilt should be laid..that is only for courts to decide otherwise all we have is glorified lynch mobs..wasn't that the whole point of why he 'located' her in the first place...
Its Like she could no go into her Church
after being found out.
I want all Nasty Trolls Live on HD News
they won't all top themselves
..the thing about it is, Arista...yeah, she probably said some extremely hateful things, I don't know all of them exactly because I'm not interested in reading such things and that was wrong...but someone who would do that imo, who would act in that way..?...can not themselves be a very happy person and may have very sad issues themselves in their lives...everything in life is just not so black and white, Arista...there should be laws stopping people like Martin Brunt 'exposing'...and I doubt he's feeling very good about it right now either...
arista
06-10-2014, 07:17 AM
..the thing about it is, Arista...yeah, she probably said some extremely hateful things, I don't know all of them exactly because I'm not interested in reading such things and that was wrong...but someone who would do that imo, who would act in that way..?...can not themselves be a very happy person and may have very sad issues themselves in their lives...everything in life is just not so black and white, Arista...there should be laws stopping people like Martin Brunt 'exposing'...and I doubt he's feeling very good about it right now either...
No
This the UK
Not America
Its Like she could no go into her Church
after being found out.
I want all Nasty Trolls Live on HD News
they won't all top themselves
..it was for her to 'face' and live with if her faith was in 'love' and she was doing what she was doing..if she had a God that she felt she would have to 'answer to' then that's totally for her to accept and know...it wasn't up to him to 'play God' ...she hadn't been arrested or tried or convicted of anything...
No
This the UK
Not America
...and UK human lives have a different value to other countries..?..
arista
06-10-2014, 07:19 AM
...and UK human lives have a different value to other countries..?..
Yes
arista
06-10-2014, 07:23 AM
..it was for her to 'face' and live with if her faith was in 'love' and she was doing what she was doing..if she had a God that she felt she would have to 'answer to' then that's totally for her to accept and know...it wasn't up to him to 'play God' ...she hadn't been arrested or tried or convicted of anything...
Sure
but she did not know when the Police would call on her
once Her close up had gone World Wide media
Her Face was on FoxNewsHD
Yes
Sure
but she did not know when the Police would call on her
once gone World Wide media
Her Face was on FoxNewsHD
..so she made a choice or maybe that was an indication of her mental health and why she behaved as she did..maybe someone who needed help, which 'exposing' her would never do but it's good to know that we have people like Martin Brunt feeling it's their responsibility to decide these things...what would have helped the McCanns is to have looked at helping her...
arista
06-10-2014, 07:39 AM
..so she made a choice or maybe that was an indication of her mental health and why she behaved as she did..maybe someone who needed help, which 'exposing' her would never do but it's good to know that we have people like Martin Brunt feeling it's their responsibility to decide these things...what would have helped the McCanns is to have looked at helping her...
Brunt was just doing his Job
well
Getting her as she came out of her home.
I hate the McCanns getting on any of my HD News
this troll did that
This troll could have been crazy
but she was well enough to drive her car
Its better one less Nasty Troll
Now keep the McCanns
off my HD News
unless its a real solid update on their murdered
missing child
Brunt was just doing his Job well
Getting her as she came out of her home.
I hate the McCanns getting on any of my HD News
this troll did that
This troll could have been crazy
but she was well enough to drive her car
Its better one less Nasty Troll
Now keep the McCanns
off my HD News
unless its a real solid update on their murdered
missing child
..I'm sure that he has a great sense of satisfaction with that today...if it was your child or my child who had disappeared, we wouldn't want it off your HD news, we wouldn't want it to be 'forgotten' by anyone because the worst thing for a parent must be the 'not knowing'...what she did was wrong, she had no right to abuse anyone but she was more than just a 'troll' she was a person with family/friends and people who cared about her who are also now 'victims'...yes, some of that responsibility is her own..whether she was mentally healthy or not, I really don't know but some of the responsibility for the pain of others who knew her is also down to Martin Brunt ...
..and Arista, you say you only want 'real solid updates' of what happened to Madeleine and Martin Brunt didn't give those at all or even try to and you're saying...yay, well done/good job....what he did had no benefit to anyone except himself and now someone is dead and people are grieving ...job well done, Martin...
Brunt was just doing his Job
well
Getting her as she came out of her home.
I hate the McCanns getting on any of my HD News
this troll did that
This troll could have been crazy
but she was well enough to drive her car
Its better one less Nasty Troll
Now keep the McCanns
off my HD News
unless its a real solid update on their murdered
missing child
You seem to be missing a very fundamental point. In the UK people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. A reporter going on a self appointed witch hunt, is deplorable, and it would appear it has resulted in a woman's death. That is simply not acceptable. The reporter should be sacked, and SKY News held responsible.
AnnieK
06-10-2014, 08:26 AM
..I'm sure that he has a great sense of satisfaction with that today...if it was your child or my child who had disappeared, we wouldn't want it off your HD news, we wouldn't want it to be 'forgotten' by anyone because the worst thing for a parent must be the 'not knowing'...what she did was wrong, she had no right to abuse anyone but she was more than just a 'troll' she was a person with family/friends and people who cared about her who are also now 'victims'...yes, some of that responsibility is her own..whether she was mentally healthy or not, I really don't know but some of the responsibility for the pain of others who knew her is also down to Martin Brunt ...
..and Arista, you say you only want 'real solid updates' of what happened to Madeleine and Martin Brunt didn't give those at all or even try to and you're saying...yay, well done/good job....what he did had no benefit to anyone except himself and now someone is dead and people are grieving ...job well done, Martin...
You seem to be missing a very fundamental point. In the UK people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. A reporter going on a self appointed witch hunt, is deplorable, and it would appear it has resulted in a woman's death. That is simply not acceptable. The reporter should be sacked, and SKY News held responsible.
:clap1:
Trial by media is deplorable. If this lady had questions to answer, they should have been put to her by the police with someone to advise her. Not some hack journalist
Niamh.
06-10-2014, 09:56 AM
I passionately condemned on here, the internet trolling and hate campaign against the McCanns, and I still do not agree with it, but I must admit, after reading certain posts on here, following certain links on here, and following up with further reading, I am now not so certain as I was that the McCanns are innocent in all this. I just don't know now.
It's a pretty intriguing case when you start reading about it, isn't it? You can understand how people get so caught up in it
arista
06-10-2014, 09:57 AM
You seem to be missing a very fundamental point. In the UK people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. A reporter going on a self appointed witch hunt, is deplorable, and it would appear it has resulted in a woman's death. That is simply not acceptable. The reporter should be sacked, and SKY News held responsible.
No he was doing his normal Crime Reporting
SkyNewsHD
had no idea she was going to top herself
no fecking idea
arista
06-10-2014, 09:59 AM
:clap1:
Trial by media is deplorable. If this lady had questions to answer, they should have been put to her by the police with someone to advise her. Not some hack journalist
Yes but the police were not at that stage yet.
SkyNewsHD
is Number 1 for Breaking News.
Its even on a YouTube ch
with no ads
No he was doing his normal Crime Reporting
SkyNewsHD
had no idea she was going to top herself
no fecking idea
No, he took it upon himself to confront an innocent women and make her a public target, a disgrace. News reporters have a responsibility, and it doesn't include taking the law unto themselves, and proclaiming someone guilty.
arista
06-10-2014, 10:10 AM
No, he took it upon himself to confront an innocent women and make her a public target, a disgrace. News reporters have a responsibility, and it doesn't include taking the law unto themselves, and proclaiming someone guilty.
no he tracked her as the Guilty Troll
All Evil Troll Posters need to go on HD News
as we need to see them
Look at her - guilty as hell http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/1/339575/default/v1/cegrab-20141001-232527-211-1-300x225.jpg
Liam-
06-10-2014, 10:13 AM
no he tracked her as the Guilty Troll
All Evil Troll Posters need to go on HD News
as we need to see them
Look at her - guilty as hell http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/1/339575/default/v1/cegrab-20141001-232527-211-1-300x225.jpg
Have you never heard of the sentiment 'Innocent until proven guilty' she was never tried, never questioned by police over the claims, but instead was hunted down by a rove reporter taking the law and the media into his own hands, which subsequently lead to the woman's death, he should be sacked for misconduct, harassment and slander.
arista
06-10-2014, 10:17 AM
Have you never heard of the sentiment 'Innocent until proven guilty' she was never tried, never questioned by police over the claims, but instead was hunted down by a rove reporter taking the law and the media into his own hands, which subsequently lead to the woman's death, he should be sacked for misconduct, harassment and slander.
Yes I remember it from the past
No Slander
She said it was her - And so What?
There's nothing wrong with exposing trolls in principle imo, in fact I think it's deserved if people revel in bullying and abusing people from behind a cloak of anonymity. Online trolls can and do ruin peoples lives as well, of course it's sad the way this has ended up but it's unfair to pin her death on Sky news.
There's nothing wrong with exposing trolls in principle imo, in fact I think it's deserved if people revel in bullying and abusing people from behind a cloak of anonymity. Online trolls can and do ruin peoples lives as well, of course it's sad the way this has ended up but it's unfair to pin her death on Sky news.
I think its more than fair to pin it on Sky News. As a broadcaster, they have a responsibility to behave properly. Even if the person was guilty, it had not been proven, she had not been interviewed by the police. They took the law into their own hands and pronounced a verdict and made that known to millions. There are no circumstances that can be considered acceptable, whether the person was suspected or not.
Next we will have lynch mobs following the news team round, its absurd. At its most basic level, it is no different to what isis have done
arista
06-10-2014, 10:41 AM
There's nothing wrong with exposing trolls in principle imo, in fact I think it's deserved if people revel in bullying and abusing people from behind a cloak of anonymity. Online trolls can and do ruin peoples lives as well, of course it's sad the way this has ended up but it's unfair to pin her death on Sky news.
You Are Most Wise
I think its more than fair to pin it on Sky News. As a broadcaster, they have a responsibility to behave properly. Even if the person was guilty, it had not been proven, she had not been interviewed by the police. They took the law into their own hands and pronounced a verdict and made that known to millions. There are no circumstances that can be considered acceptable, whether the person was suspected or not.
Next we will have lynch mobs following the news team round, its absurd.
Well for one thing I'm not convinced that online trolling is a police matter, I'm quite uncomfortable with the increased policing of the internet and think the line is becoming increasingly blurred between free speech and criminalised speech. But while I might not be comfortable with online trolls being criminalised for their abuse, I'm not opposed to them being exposed and publicly embarrassed for what they have done because they do deserve to be. It might make people think more about what they say from behind their anonymous cloak and make others realise that just because your words from an anonymous keyboard it doesn't mean they are acceptable and it doesn't have any less impact on victims. It might drum home the simple rule that you shouldn't say things over the internet that you wouldn't be prepared to say in public or to someone's face.
Well for one thing I'm not convinced that online trolling is a police matter, I'm quite uncomfortable with the increased policing of the internet and think the line is becoming increasingly blurred between free speech and criminalised speech. But while I might not be comfortable with online trolls being criminalised for their abuse, I'm not opposed to them being exposed and publicly embarrassed for what they have done because they do deserve to be. It might make people think more about what they say from behind their anonymous cloak and make others realise that just because your words from an anonymous keyboard it doesn't mean they are acceptable and it doesn't have any less impact on victims. It might drum home the simple rule that you shouldn't say things over the internet that you wouldn't be prepared to say in public or to someone's face.
I understand what you are saying however there has always been a legal distinction between saying something and writing something, and under those circumstances facebook, forums and twatter legally fall under the latter. The point remains that Sky are not the public appointed judge and jury, they have a social responsibility to act in an appropriate manner. They didn't do that in this case, and its not the first time either, its not so long ago they were sifting through the personal belongings of those who lost their lives in the downed aircraft in the Ukraine. That was interfering with evidence. They need to act responsibly.
Dr Arthur Cassidy, a psychologist who specialises in social media, said Mrs Leyland appeared to have a middle class upbringing which was unusual in trolling.
He said: "In this particular case, her whole repertoire of trolling is slightly different from those of well-seasoned trolls because of her uniqueness and the way she has done this.
"It would signify to me that she has been quite a novice at this."
Dr Cassidy said typically, trolls sought and enjoyed a response from their victims but that did not appear to have been the case here.
....I'm not sure that this would deter a 'determined' troll though..maybe it was easier to expose her because she made it easy because she wasn't a 'typical troll' and maybe someone who wasn't mentally healthy and would have needed help but the method in which she was 'exposed' prevented that...what he did and how he did it would have no doubt probably have led to her receiving abuse herself if that had not already started, so where is the irony in that...and how does it do anything but actually encourage more trolling and more abuse...
Sticks
06-10-2014, 04:55 PM
A side question, it is reported that the police are investigating all posts "attacking" Kate and Gerry
Various theories on this forum have been discussed in other threads, some of which when voiced by certain tabloids, precipitated legal action which was successful.
Is this forum considered a private place or a public place?
Should those who voiced certain opinions here about what happened in this case be worried about the possibility of arrest?
AnnieK
06-10-2014, 05:11 PM
A side question, it is reported that the police are investigating all posts "attacking" Kate and Gerry
Various theories on this forum have been discussed in other threads, some of which when voiced by certain tabloids, precipitated legal action which was successful.
Is this forum considered a private place or a public place?
Should those who voiced certain opinions here about what happened in this case be worried about the possibility of arrest?
To be honest.....I don't think the police will be able to look at all posts, there are endless forums where this case has been discussed and to dedicate manpower to investigate them all would be ridiculos. I would imagine it is posts like those seen on twitter that are aimed directly at the McCanns rather than in open discussion that they will be looking into.
kirklancaster
08-10-2014, 10:41 PM
It's a pretty intriguing case when you start reading about it, isn't it? You can understand how people get so caught up in it
It is Niamh, and I didn't know half of it until following up links. Now I've swung the other way, I don't think the McCanns are being upfront.
Kizzy
08-10-2014, 10:44 PM
A side question, it is reported that the police are investigating all posts "attacking" Kate and Gerry
Various theories on this forum have been discussed in other threads, some of which when voiced by certain tabloids, precipitated legal action which was successful.
Is this forum considered a private place or a public place?
Should those who voiced certain opinions here about what happened in this case be worried about the possibility of arrest?
Nobody on here has personally attacked anyone, it is an objective debate which as far as I know isn't illegal... yet.
Jamesy
08-10-2014, 10:56 PM
Problem is, what does one deem as "attacking" the McCanns? That's where things get messy and people could be arrested for stupid comments that can be perceived in multiple ways.
I doubt the police will push manpower towards going through internet forums though. It's just all talk to make the public aware of police presence. In reality the already overstretched police force will be concentrating on more serious cases they have in hand.
The only things they will look at are direct messages towards the McCanns. Not the opinions of a dozen or so people on a Big Brother forum... nothing for people like us to worry about. Just more of something for people to keep in mind who might be sending hate mail to the McCanns directly via Twitter, email and other means.
Kizzy
08-10-2014, 11:19 PM
Problem is, what does one deem as "attacking" the McCanns? That's where things get messy and people could be arrested for stupid comments that can be perceived in multiple ways.
I doubt the police will push manpower towards going through internet forums though. It's just all talk to make the public aware of police presence. In reality the already overstretched police force will be concentrating on more serious cases they have in hand.
The only things they will look at are direct messages towards the McCanns. Not the opinions of a dozen or so people on a Big Brother forum... nothing for people like us to worry about. Just more of something for people to keep in mind who might be sending hate mail to the McCanns directly via Twitter, email and other means.
How can an opinion be considered a direct attack though, it wasn't to them personally was it?
A comment made on a general site/forum/twitter I fail to see how that is a direct attack, unless you stated ' I X intend to attack X'.
arista
09-10-2014, 12:06 AM
A side question, it is reported that the police are investigating all posts "attacking" Kate and Gerry
Various theories on this forum have been discussed in other threads, some of which when voiced by certain tabloids, precipitated legal action which was successful.
Is this forum considered a private place or a public place?
Should those who voiced certain opinions here about what happened in this case be worried about the possibility of arrest?
I will attack them
Get the Fecklers Off My HD News
OK Copper
Marsh.
09-10-2014, 12:08 AM
I Marsh intend to attack you Fizzy Kizzy!
arista
09-10-2014, 12:08 AM
I Marsh intend to attack you Fizzy Kizzy!
You Dirty Devil
Jamesy
09-10-2014, 12:11 AM
How can an opinion be considered a direct attack though, it wasn't to them personally was it?
A comment made on a general site/forum/twitter I fail to see how that is a direct attack, unless you stated ' I X intend to attack X'.
That's why I said how does one make a difference between an opinion and an 'attack'. It's not so black and white.
It doesn't really matter in this context though.
arista
09-10-2014, 12:22 AM
That's why I said how does one make a difference between an opinion and an 'attack'. It's not so black and white.
It doesn't really matter in this context though.
It does
a SkyNewsHD reporter
got her on Live News
she admitted doing the attacks
then sadly few days later
topped herself
Jamesy
09-10-2014, 12:42 AM
It does
a SkyNewsHD reporter
got her on Live News
she admitted doing the attacks
then sadly few days later
topped herself
That's nothing to do with my post...
arista
09-10-2014, 12:46 AM
That's nothing to do with my post...
OK
ignore it.
arista
09-10-2014, 12:50 AM
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/1/339575/default/v1/cegrab-20141001-232527-211-1-762x428.jpg
http://news.sky.com/story/1345871/evil-trolls-in-hate-campaign-against-mccanns
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/2/339580/default/v1/social-media-for-emily-1-762x428.jpg
[Many social media users have expressed anger
towards the internet trolls following news of the investigation into abuse of the McCanns.
However, a significant number have also voiced their support for ‘Sweepyface’,
who has since deactivated her Twitter account.
In addition to threats and abuse, several trolls have claimed to live
nearby to the McCanns in Leicestershire and reported on their movements.
The campaigner spearheading the appeal - who has asked to
remain anonymous - told Sky News: "We're very worried that it's only going
to take somebody to act out of some of these discussions, some of the threats
that have been made, and we couldn't live with ourselves if that happened and we had done nothing."]
This Reporter Martin Brunt is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlQJbsVs48
SkyNews is now Live on a YouTube link and you click 1080PHD on the setting
[ This is SkyNewsInternational which never has a clock, therefore we also have no ad breaks ]
This thread changed after this
Niamh.
09-10-2014, 09:16 AM
It is Niamh, and I didn't know half of it until following up links. Now I've swung the other way, I don't think the McCanns are being upfront.
Something does feel a little off about it, that's for sure
Gusto Brunt
09-10-2014, 09:47 AM
It's sad she died.
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