do you back the "no smoking in parks" yes or no ?

[waterhog]

do you back the "no smoking in parks" yes or no ? 15.10.14

its not often i support
normally anti authority
but this drug needs a export
its being targeted by the majority.
if you want to get healthy
and you go to the park to exercise
going by a cloud of smoke is not wealthy
and even "smokers" must criticize.
we are slowly out casting
to "smoke" down we will bring
so make that taste long lasting
withdraw if your child wants to go on the swing.
setting a good example
especially in a place that's "green"
your "lungs" can have a fresh sample
breathing in a park will now be more clean.
we are a "free country"
i am not trying to scar
but "parks" have to be a "no smoke" entry
this is one more step to removing the nicotine tar.

[arista]

Yes Stop smoking in front of Children
its Not Sexy its Deadly


Feel The Force

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes.

People under 30 do not think about their own mortality thus should be protected from cigarettes which will hook them and when they do start to realise they wont live forever its too late.

I would support a full and total ban

[user104658]

All or nothing for me; either make it completely illegal or not. "Banning" things that are legal in open, public spaces is a dangerous path to start going down. We DO NOT need more government control over every aspect of our lives, for **** sake.

I'm all for it being banned in enclosed public spaces because no one should be subjected to other people smoking up an enclosed space. Even if you're not convinced about the health risks, you end up stinking of smoke and it's horrible. I have my questions about it being banned in pubs / bars / clubs etc... these are NOT public spaces - they are licensed private establishments. You DO NOT have the right to enter if the owner / landlord doesn't want you to enter. Therefore, whether or not smoking (if it's legal) is permitted should be completely at the discretion of the landlord / owner / management. If someone doesn't like that, and doesn't want to enter a smoky environment, then said owner should be free to tell that person that they won't change their stance and will forgo that person's custom. That should be their right... it is their property.


But this, in open spaces, is just a step too far. I can accept that people shouldn't have to have their health risked for other people's habits but banning it in open-air spaces so that it isn't even seen? Err... no thanks? People can make their own decisions and introducing laws to effectively treat everyone like ******* is not something that I'm willing to go along with. We have more than enough censorship in all areas already.

[user104658]

Yes.

People under 30 do not think about their own mortality thus should be protected from cigarettes which will hook them and when they do start to realise they wont live forever its too late.


Umm, this is a bit innacurate. Free-thinking Humans are capable of understanding personal mortality from adolescence onwards, around the age of 13. Most from that age do understand that, one day, they will die.

What follows that is around 10 years of feeling "invulnerable" (rather than immortal) - i.e. "Yeah that seems dangerous... for most people but I AM A NINJA!!" or "Yeah I get that smoking causes cancer and people die, but I'm young and it won't affect me until I'm old and I don't care about that". A sort of "live fast, die young" mentality based on enjoyment and exploration. It's actually an essential developmental stage - people who are encouraged (or forced) to skip it often end up very nervous / anxious adults.

Either way, educated, intelligent individuals are certainly capable of thinking critically about their health and mortality from the mid 20's onwards. 30 is a bit of a stretch. I don't think there are many 26 - 29 year olds still feeling invincible.

[arista]

[But this, in open spaces, is just a step too far.]


Sure many say that on Live Debates Radio5, LBC , SkyNewsHD
and Ch5HD .

But these are London Parks
so I say Bring It In.


Tough Titty

[Creggle]

No. What a ****ing stupid law.

[AnnieK]

Stupid idea......either ban it totally and Lose the tax revenue or leave people to smoke in open public areas....

[joeysteele]

No I don't,not at all,in my view this is just plain stupid.

People pay council tax and in all open public spaces should not be stopped rom doing anything that is 'legal' in those places.

It is as daft as the bus shelter rule too, a bus shelter, open at both ends and also with a gap at the bottom all around it too, has notices saying smoking is not allowed in it but take 2 steps out of it and you can smoke.
I don't smoke but this is to me just silly.

[arista]

No I don't,not at all,in my view this is just plain stupid.

People pay council tax and in all open public spaces should not be stopped rom doing anything that is 'legal' in those places.

It is as daft as the bus shelter rule too, a bus shelter, open at both ends and also with a gap at the bottom all around it too, has notices saying smoking is not allowed in it but take 2 steps out of it and you can smoke.
I don't smoke but this is to me just silly.


Bring it in , I say
St.James Park needs it .

[Livia]

If smokers want to smoke out in the open air that's their choice. They already pay more into the treasury every year in tobacco tax than it takes to run the NHS.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would ban people from jogging in parks

just to irritate the smug bastards

[Livia]

I would ban people from jogging in parks

just to irritate the smug bastards

I would vote for this.

[arista]

If smokers want to smoke out in the open air that's their choice. They already pay more into the treasury every year in tobacco tax than it takes to run the NHS.

It won't hurt of them
to walk through without smoking
in some London Parks

[Livia]

It won't hurt of them
to walk through without smoking
in some London Parks

You mean those parks surrounded by roads where cars belch carbon dioxide into their air 24/7? Oh yeah, that seems fair then.

[Glenn.]

Completely ridiculous. Smokers are segregated enough without this crap. I was all for the smoking ban in pubs and indoor spaces because non smokers shouldn't have to breathe it but parks are public domain.

[arista]

You mean those parks surrounded by roads where cars belch carbon dioxide into their air 24/7? Oh yeah, that seems fair then.


Yes but Hyde Park is Mega

[arista]

Completely ridiculous. Smokers are segregated enough without this crap. I was all for the smoking ban in pubs and indoor spaces because non smokers shouldn't have to breathe it but parks are public domain.


Yes under Rules
that can change.

[Livia]

Yes but Hyde Park is Mega

Yes, plenty of room for everyone whether they smoke or not.

[AnnieK]

Yes but Hyde Park is Mega

And what does that matter?

[Glenn.]

Yes under Rules
that can change.

Then I fear what the world will become.

[arista]

Yes, plenty of room for everyone whether they smoke or not.


No its wrong to smoke near children


Park Police on bikes
will Fine You

[arista]

Then I fear what the world will become.


Go to NYC


its banned there

[Livia]

No its wrong to smoke near children


Park Police on bikes
will Fine You

No one I know who smokes would ever dream of smoking anywhere near children.

[smudgie]

Perhaps bannng it in the children's play area would be a good idea.

As to a total ban, no, I thnk not.

[Glenn.]

Go to NYC


its banned there

I live in England, not NYC

[arista]

I live in England, not NYC



The Point is
Rules Change all over the World



You need to get used to it.

[AnnieK]

Perhaps bannng it in the children's play area would be a good idea.

As to a total ban, no, I thnk not.

Was just about o post the same thing Smudgie.....

I don't smoke and don't want people smoking too near my child but in a park??? My son doesn't stand till long enough to breathe air let alone someone's smoke who has just walked past.....

[Livia]

The world only seems to be changing for the smoking fascists. Still plenty of morbidly obese people stuffing their face with junk food. Driving too fast in unsafe vehicles, doing a hundred other things that put people's wellbeing at risk but smoking is the only thing that seems to be high on the agenda. Everyone I know who smokes is more than considerate about where they smoke, not near children, not in other people's homes, never in a car... and they pay enough tax to buy a couple of aircraft carriers and build a hospital every year.

[Jay.]

Yes, there are children.

[arista]

Yes, there are children.


Parks are for Healthy People
not for Stinking Dirty Smokers

[user104658]

Parks are for Healthy People
not for Stinking Dirty Smokers

They're banning fat people, too? Hooray!

But what about people with terminal illnesses or genetic conditions? That seems a bit harsh. Can you go if you have asthma or diabetes? What about athlete's foot?

I have a bit of a sniffle this week so I guess it's no park for me, either :(

[arista]

They're banning fat people, too? Hooray!

But what about people with terminal illnesses or genetic conditions? That seems a bit harsh. Can you go if you have asthma or diabetes? What about athlete's foot?

I have a bit of a sniffle this week so I guess it's no park for me, either :(


No Fat folks are trying to get Healthy


TS do not get silly
this a Smoking Ban in London Parks idea.

[Livia]

I hope every smoker wanders to their local park on the day this stupid and largely unenforceable law comes into being, and lights up. The day motor cars don't pump out filth into the air is the day smokers shouldn't be allowed to smoke outside. It's a ridiculous law.

[arista]

I hope every smoker wanders to their local park on the day this stupid and largely unenforceable law comes into being, and lights up. The day motor cars don't pump out filth into the air is the day smokers shouldn't be allowed to smoke outside. It's a ridiculous law.


I hope all the New Park Police on
Bikes Fine them on the Spot

[AnnieK]

Banning smoking in public areas will drive smokers into smoking more in their homes, cars etc......where it's a damn sight more likely that people will inhale second hand smoke..... It's a disgrace....I would have more respect from a total ban on the sale of tobacco products than this....

[Livia]

I hope all the New Park Police on
Bikes Fine them on the Spot

Seriously? You don't think there are other, more useful things they might be occupied with in a PARK? How about people eating their lunch in the park? Let's have the new park police check their lunch boxes, we don't want any fat or processed sugar in there. What about ball games? I mean, the ball could hit someone in the face.

Again, ridiculous law.

[Livia]

Banning smoking in public areas will drive smokers into smoking more in their homes, cars etc......where it's a damn sight more likely that people will inhale second hand smoke..... It's a disgrace....I would have more respect from a total ban on the sale of tobacco products than this....

Me too Annie. Completely with you on this one. I'll hold arista down, you pinch him really hard.

[Dollface]

2 people were smoking in a carpark the other day, right next to our car which i was sitting in with all the windows shut. Yet i could smell it and it was almost gag-worthy it was so strong. They was also standing right next to their own car which had a baby and a toddler in, with the windows fully open. I thought at the time how stupid they were for smoking around children. So for play parks, which are designed for children to play in, i don't think people should smoke no.

[Livia]

2 people were smoking in a carpark the other day, right next to my car which i was sitting in with all the windows shut. Yet i could smell it and it was almost gag-worthy it was so strong. They was also standing right next to their own car which had a baby and a toddler in, with the windows fully open. I thought at the time how stupid they were for smoking around children. So for play parks, which are designed for children to play in, i don't think people should smoke no.

Those people were ignorant in the extreme to smoke next to a child. But that isn't all smokers; in fact I'd say people who are ignorant about where they smoke are in the minority and really should know better. And this law doesn't cover "play parks" or there would be no argument. It covers parks... acres and acres and acres of land.

[Dollface]

The world only seems to be changing for the smoking fascists. Still plenty of morbidly obese people stuffing their face with junk food.

Yeah but if you eat near a child, you aren't putting their health at risk.

[Dollface]

Also it's not only bad for the children, but i'm pretty sure it's harmful for dogs/pets to inhale it too. You're likely to get a lot of dog walkers in a big park.

[Livia]

Also it's not only bad for the children, but i'm pretty sure it's harmful for dogs/pets to inhale it too. You're likely to get a lot of dog walkers in a big park.

But it's out in the open air! If you're worried about the harmful effects of a little cigarette smoke across a park, why aren't you worried about the CO2 your car's pumping out into the air?

[Livia]

Yeah but if you eat near a child, you aren't putting their health at risk.

This isn't a discussion just about children. It's not only children that use parks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who will enforce it?

Park Wardens?

is this 1972?

[Marsh.]

How about hiring more staff to clear all the drug needles and used condoms out of the park first. :idc:

[GypsyGoth]

I don't smoke and I don't like people smoking near me, however banning people from smoking outdoors is ridiculous.

[kirklancaster]

I hope all the New Park Police on
Bikes Fine them on the Spot

I think any branch of the police, whether genuine police officers or quasi police such as 'Community Bobbies, or some totally new force, would better serve the tax-payer in being deployed on less ridiculous matters.

This is yet more 'smoke-screen' B.S. deflection by a nanny-state Government which ought to be concentrating on more pressing problems of a thousandfold gravity.

Smokers enjoying a 'fag' in a park do not represent any type of threat to non-smoking park users because the smoke dissipates harmlessly into the 'fresh' air. As to 'smoke tainted clothes' - parks are huge spaces and non-smokers have a choice not to be in close proximity to smokers who are smoking.

I am a dog owner and lover, but will state that a more genuine threat to all park users is the risk of disease from dog faeces and urine - a small risk admittedly, but a real risk none-the-less. Included are Hookworms and Roundworms. Another - non-faecal - risk from dogs --infinitesimal as it may be - is Rabies.

So do we advocate another law to ban all dogs from parks?

No - of course we don't. That idea is as preposterous as banning all kids from parks because some of the more feral kids harass other park users or vandalise some of the park amenities.

The only possible objection that non-smoking park users could make against smokers, is the possibility of unsightly spent cig butts littering the floor, but this - like the irresponsible dog owners who do not clean up their dog's mess, or the poor calibre parents who do not 'police' their kids behaviour - is where the law should take a hand by implementing draconian penalties for transgressors.

I'm just waiting for a Government ban on people with Ginger hair (no I'm not one) from breathing unless they pay a new Ginger Tax. .

[Dollface]

This isn't a discussion just about children. It's not only children that use parks.

Agreed, i just used the word child because i thought it speaks out to people more :laugh:
Thing is, i don't condone smoking because i've had to watch my otherwise healthy Nan (whom i adore) use an oxygen machine because years of smoking ruined her lungs.
So i guess i just think smoking is dangerous full stop, not only for by-standers but for the smokers themselves (though i understand what people put into their own bodies is up to them)
Not only is there the health problems though, there is the littering too. (though i know not ALL smokers throw their cigarette butts on the ground)

[kirklancaster]

How about hiring more staff to clear all the drug needles and used condoms out of the park first. :idc:

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

More -- How about Zero Tolerance and draconian punishment for the ignorant bastards who deposit drug needles and condoms in the first place?

[kirklancaster]

But it's out in the open air! If you're worried about the harmful effects of a little cigarette smoke across a park, why aren't you worried about the CO2 your car's pumping out into the air?

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

More sensible comment from my secret love.

[arista]

Who will enforce it?

Park Wardens?

is this 1972?


In London
it will be the Park Police


We care not talking about the whole country.

[arista]

How about hiring more staff to clear all the drug needles and used condoms out of the park first. :idc:


Sure
but this is Central London
Parks.

[arista]

This isn't a discussion just about children. It's not only children that use parks.

Sure but the Doctor
that has given Boris this report
has said it to let children be happy in parks etc.

I say
Well away from Stinking Dirty Smokers

[Bluerang1]

I thought it was already banned in parks

[coffee]

My lil old Nana died of lung cancer and she ain't never smoked in her life. Oh, how she loved to sit in the park. R.I.P Nana.

[Dollface]

But it's out in the open air! If you're worried about the harmful effects of a little cigarette smoke across a park, why aren't you worried about the CO2 your car's pumping out into the air?
I don't have a car (the car i spoke about earlier belongs to my sister)
If i had it my way, we'd go back to Victorian times :wink:

[Livia]

I don't have a car (the car i spoke about earlier belongs to my sister)
If i had it my way, we'd go back to Victorian times :wink:

Ahhh... Victorian times. We could all lay around in opium dens and not worry about air quality. Works for me.

[Livia]

I thought it was already banned in parks

Not in the UK, Blue.

[Marsh.]

Sure
but this is Central London
Parks.

People don't use drugs or condoms in Central London? :think:

[Marsh.]

Ahhh... Victorian times. We could all lay around in opium dens and not worry about air quality. Works for me.

And women knew their rightful place in society. :flutter: :fan:

[Livia]

And women knew their rightful place in society. :flutter: :fan:

thetruth...? Is that you?

:-)

[Dollface]

Ahhh... Victorian times. We could all lay around in opium dens and not worry about air quality. Works for me.

idk what an opium den is :umm2:

nvm googled it :hehe: i feel dumb now :suspect:

[Livia]

idk what an opium den is :umm2:

nvm googled it :hehe: i feel dumb now :suspect:

Yeah, I'm not particularly proud I know what an opium den is, Dollface LOL...

[Marsh.]

thetruth...? Is that you?

:-)

:smug:

[Dollface]

Yeah, I'm not particularly proud I know what an opium den is, Dollface LOL...

:laugh:

I google snails in my spare time, and i'm proud o' it :smug:

[Marsh.]

:joker: Snails?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yes

[JoshBB]

Honestly, yes. It is in places like parks where teens try smoking for the first time.

[Glenn.]

Teens will smoke anywhere.

[JoshBB]

And women knew their rightful place in society. :flutter: :fan:

:umm2:

[Niamh.]

My lil old Nana died of lung cancer and she ain't never smoked in her life. Oh, how she loved to sit in the park. R.I.P Nana.

:laugh:

[Redway]

No Fat folks are trying to get Healthy


TS do not get silly
this a Smoking Ban in London Parks idea.

... just as there are equally as many smokers who are trying to quit? Ridiculous generalisation.

[Marsh.]

:umm2:

Yes, hun? :fan:

[arista]

Teens will smoke anywhere.


Sure
first to get a on the spot fine

[arista]

Boris has now said no for this.

But Dr. Darzi is standing by it
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Society/Pix/pictures/2008/05/19/Darzi1.gif
he deals with cancer everyday.
NHS London backs him
He said when they brought in the ban in in pubs and food places
it was the same
saying no.


Ref: ITV1London News

[Glenn.]

Dr darzi can go **** himself

[arista]

Dr darzi can go **** himself



No he talks good sense.

[kirklancaster]

Dr darzi can go **** himself

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

Preferably with a never-ending chain of Regal King Size lit cigarettes.

[Creggle]

pubs and restaurants or indoors in general i can understand, but parks are just plain stupid, nobody smokes in some strangers face anyway, there is zero risk in a large outdoors area to non smokers. this is literally non-smokers waving their dicks around :laugh:

[joeysteele]

There is a massive difference between smoking in a building as to smoking outdoors. This would be just daft.
However the roads adjoining the Parks but not in the parks clearly would be smoking areas.
How stupid is that.

Anyway I agree with Livia, smokers pay a massive amount in tax and if they cannot smoke in public buildings then no way should they be told what to do that isn't illegal in open public areas.

[Xtopher]

I smoke at parks but not around kids. So, no.

[armand.kay]

It should be banned at bus stops

[arista]

It should be banned at bus stops


It is

But Poxy Smokers ignore the sign

[arista]

There is a massive difference between smoking in a building as to smoking outdoors. This would be just daft.
However the roads adjoining the Parks but not in the parks clearly would be smoking areas.
How stupid is that.

Anyway I agree with Livia, smokers pay a massive amount in tax and if they cannot smoke in public buildings then no way should they be told what to do that isn't illegal in open public areas.


Yes they do


You need to go to NYC

Things Change

[Niamh.]

This thread is hilarious

[Livia]

I'm going to buy big fat old la-di-dah tomorrow, light it up and puff it at the OP.

[Marsh.]

Blowing is banned too Livia. :fist:

[joeysteele]

Yes they do


You need to go to NYC

Things Change

I neither want to or would live in new York, nice to see you praising the States at last arista.
I live in the UK and I think when I am next in london,I will join Livia and just walk round with a lighted cigarette in the parks too.

If they make smoking cigarettes illegal, then this would make more sense, however then the Govt. would lose a fortune in tax revenues.
So if they are not going to make smoking illegal then stop getting at people who do.
Also if they ban them from smoking in public areas like parks in London,then smokers should get a reduction in their council tax in my view.

[Livia]

Blowing is banned too Livia. :fist:

You'd better hope for your own sake that's not true, Marshy.

I neither want to or would live in new York, nice to see you praising the States at last arista.
I live in the UK and I think when I am next in london,I will join Livia and just walk round with a lighted cigarette in the parks too.

If they make smoking cigarettes illegal, then this would make more sense, however then the Govt. would lose a fortune in tax revenues.
So if they are not going to make smoking illegal then stop getting at people who do.
Also if they ban them from smoking in public areas like parks in London,then smokers should get a reduction in their council tax in my view.

Joey, it's a date. You and me, Hyde Park, big rug, pile of cushions and a massive hookah pipe to share. Do it in style...

[joeysteele]

You'd better hope for your own sake that's not true, Marshy.



Joey, it's a date. You and me, Hyde Park, big rug, pile of cushions and a massive hookah pipe to share. Do it in style...

:joker:Sounds good to me, I would get a bit of a kick out of doing something like that too Livia.

[Marsh.]

You'd better hope for your own sake that's not true, Marshy.


Joey, it's a date. You and me, Hyde Park, big rug, pile of cushions and a massive hookah pipe to share. Do it in style...

:joker:

[Kizzy]

No of course not, ridiculous.

[lostalex]

They also ban drinking in parks here, but i see plenty of people drinking in parks here.

[waterhog]

this is getting to political for me. i am off to the park for a fag.

[arista]

this is getting to political for me. i am off to the park for a fag.



Typical rebal

[arista]

This thread is hilarious


Yes Mayor Boris is against it , now.


But I feel the Ban in London Parks
will come in
upsetting joey & hog

[waterhog]

i don't take into account anything borris says - i just think buffoon.

[Ramsay]

This is one of the stupidest things i've ever seen
Just make it fully illegal to smoke ffs. might as well at this stage.

[Marsh.]

Put the smokers in a plastic bubble, they can smoke inside there and choke one another. :hmph:

[arista]

i don't take into account anything borris says - i just think buffoon.


Typical of you
Hog

[lostalex]

Does anyone else find it funny how the same left wingers who are trying to make smoking tobacco illegal, are the same people that also seem to be advocating for legalizing smoking weed? The hypocrisy is astounding.

LEGALIZE POT!!! but BAN TOBACCO!!!

It would be like people trying to make coffee illegal, and advocating for cocaine to be legal.

I really don't get it.

[Northern Monkey]

If this happens i will lose all respect for the government............Oh wait.....

[waterhog]

Does anyone else find it funny how the same left wingers who are trying to make smoking tobacco illegal, are the same people that also seem to be advocating for legalizing smoking weed? The hypocrisy is astounding.

LEGALIZE POT!!! but BAN TOBACCO!!!

It would be like people trying to make coffee illegal, and advocating for cocaine to be legal.

I really don't get it.


lostalex - not sure if you are referring to me but just to say that if we legalize cannabis we can take out the dealers that are making the money from it and sell pure stuff which can come with a warning where as if you buy from a street dealer as current you are not 100% sure what it is.

if you was saying how can i be saying "ban smoking" but legalize pot - simple - as long as you both in your own house or garden or somewhere where you are not inflicting on anyone else it is after all a FREE COUNTRY.

lets make money from what is going on under our own noses.

[InOne]

Very very silly but can't see it happening. Maybe in London, but up North we'd be having none of it. :idc:

[lostalex]

lostalex - not sure if you are referring to me but just to say that if we legalize cannabis we can take out the dealers that are making the money from it and sell pure stuff which can come with a warning where as if you buy from a street dealer as current you are not 100% sure what it is.

if you was saying how can i be saying "ban smoking" but legalize pot - simple - as long as you both in your own house or garden or somewhere where you are not inflicting on anyone else it is after all a FREE COUNTRY.

lets make money from what is going on under our own noses.

so let's legalize pot, then make it illegal to smoke it anywhere. that makes sense... lol NOT.

[waterhog]

i dont follow - are you high ?

[lostalex]

i dont follow - are you high ?

how do you not follow. making it illegal to smoke it anywhere makes it by de facto illegal, right?

what's the point of making it legal if you can't smoke it anywhere? just to arrest people for smoking it, and then spend those tax dollars we make on incarcerating people for smoking it??

[waterhog]

i dont no what i need but i need a break?

[Marsh.]

That's like saying "It's legal to drive cars, so you should be allowed to drive them everywhere even off the road". :laugh:

[Kizzy]

That would create areas outside the park where lots of people are smoking too, and you have to walk through that area to get in the park :crazy:

[lostalex]

That's like saying "It's legal to drive cars, so you should be allowed to drive them everywhere even off the road". :laugh:

No, it's like saying it's legal to drive cars, but you can't drive it anywhere in the city, you can ONLY drive it off the roads.

[waterhog]

this debate is driving me mad - going back to bed.

[lostalex]

this debate is driving me mad - going back to bed.

why do you never engage with us when we try to interpret your poems, you act like we are crazy or stupid f\or engaging you about these issues.

or when people do actually challenge you or question you, you threaten to leave the site.

[waterhog]

why do you never engage with us when we try to interpret your poems, you act like we are crazy or stupid f\or engaging you about these issues.

or when people do actually challenge you or question you, you threaten to leave the site.


chillllaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx just saying its getting deep. :cheer2:

[lostalex]

chillllaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx just saying its getting deep. :cheer2:

that doesn't rhyme. myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
neighbors are having a domestic.
it's exciting.

shame on you.

[waterhog]

not everything has to rhyme
because i will end up writing slime.
so please please forgive
if it does not rhyme let me live.