What is your fave season of Survivor?

[reece(:]

pick ONE ;o

[Liam-]

China, Courtney :flutter:

[reece(:]

poll added c:

[Marc]

Hmm I picked Micronesia because I love Parv

[Firewire]

Only seen Caga and this season so I'm not gonna vote until I watch more

[SoBig]

Cagayan!

[armand.kay]

Gabon then Cagayan x

[rk3388]

Gabon <3

[rk3388]

Pearl Islands was a close second for me

[reece(:]

China > Micronesia > Gabon > HvsV > Pearl Islands > Caga > others

[LemonJam]

of the ones I've seen

1. Panama
2. Pearl Islands
3. China
4. Gabon
5. Cagayan
6. One World (lol)
7. Philippines
8. Vanuatu
9. South Pacific
10. Nicaragua
11. Guatemala
12. Heroes Vs. Villains
13. Micronesia
14. Tocantins
15. Caramoan
16. Amazon
17. Palau
18. Samoa
19. Cook Islands
20. All Stars
21. Fiji
22. Redemption Island

[reece(:]

omg Panama I forgot <33


I hold One World in quite high regard too.

[LemonJam]

yeah it's very predictable and there's some awful people but I'm totally there for the Christina Cha experience.

[reece(:]

and Tarzan :flutter:

[armand.kay]

Tarzan>>

[Daniel.]

Jaustin

[Dominic]

Jaustin

Off

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Vanuatu
12. Cagayan
13. Nicaragua
14. China
15. Philippines
16. The Australian Outback
17. Guatemala
18. Palau
19. Tocantins
20. South Pacific
21. Fiji
22. Blood vs. Water
23. Thailand
24. All-Stars
25. Worlds Apart
26. One World
27. Samoa
28. Caramoan
29. Cook Islands
30. Redemption Island

something like that generally speaking?

[Marsh.]

Azerbaijan >>>>>>>>>

[Calderyon]

Still Heroes and Villains.

[LukeB]

Jaustin

:joker:

[LukeB]

my favourite is Heroes vs Villians atm

[EspeonBB]

Top 5:
1. Pearl Islands
2. Micronesia
3. Heroes vs. Villains
4. Amazon
5. Panama

[reece(:]

1. China
2. Heroes vs Villains
3. Gabon
4. Micronesia
5. Pearl Islands
6. Panama
7. San Juan del Sur
8. Amazon
9. Philippines
10. One World
11. Cagayan
12. Nicaragua
13. Palau
14. Marquesas
15. Vanuatu
16. Borneo
17. Blood vs Water
18. Guatemala
19. Australia
20. Samoa
21. Worlds Apart
22. Tocantins
23. Africa
24. Caramoan
25. Cook Islands
26. Fiji
27. South Pacific
28. All-Stars
29. Redemption Island
30. Thailand

[LukeB]

Still Heroes vs Villians

1.Heroes Vs Villians
2.Micronesia
3.China
4.Pearl Islands
5.Panama
6.Amazon
7.San Juan Del Sur
8.Cagayan
9.Palau
10.All-Stars
11.Cook Islands
12.Australia
13.Blood Vs Water
14.Tocantins
15.Gabon
16.Marquesas
17.Guatemala
18.Nicaragua
19.Borneo
20.Caramoan
21.Redemption Island
22.Philippines
23.One World
24.South Pacific
25.Samoa
26.Worlds Apart
27.Thailand
28.Africa
29.Fiji
30.Vanuatu

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Vanuatu
12. Cagayan
13. Nicaragua
14. China
15. Philippines
16. The Australian Outback
17. Guatemala
18. Palau
19. Tocantins
20. South Pacific
21. Fiji
22. Blood vs. Water
23. Thailand
24. All-Stars
25. Worlds Apart
---26. Cambodia---
27. One World
28. Samoa
29. Caramoan
30. Cook Islands
31. Redemption Island

I still need to let this season sink in a bit, but I *THINK* I'd put Cambodia there? It's definitely in red and it's either in my bottom five or just outside of it.

[LukeB]

1.Heroes Vs Villians
2.Micronesia
3.China
4.Pearl Islands
5.Panama
6.Amazon
7.San Juan Del Sur
8.Cagayan
9.Palau
10.All-Stars
11.Cook Islands
12.Australia
13.Blood Vs Water
14.Kaoh Rong
15.Tocantins
16.Gabon
17.Marquesas
18.Guatemala
19.Nicaragua
20.Borneo
21.Caramoan
22.Redemption Island
23.Cambodia
24.Philippines
25.One World
26.South Pacific
27.Samoa
28.Worlds Apart
29.Thailand
30.Africa
31.Fiji
32.Vanuatu

[_Tom_]

Gabon, Pearl Islands and Micronesia are the Holy T <3

[Dominic]

aaand updating this

Amazon
Pearl Islands
Borneo
Gabon
Panama
China
Kaoh Rong
Palau
Africa
SJDS
Vanuatu
Philippines
HvV
Micronesia
Marquesas
Nicaragua
Cagayan
Australia
Thailand
BvW
Guatemala
Fiji
South Pacific
Tocantins
Worlds Apart
Cambodia
One World
All-Stars
Cook Islands
Samoa
Caramoan
RI

[JerseyWins]

I still have a whole bunch more seasons to go through but as of right now:

Cagayan for sure. Funny that it happened to be my first season watched (after watching Kaoh Rong live; technically Cagayan was the first season I finished).

Honorable mentions to:
San Juan Del Sur & Caramoan off the top of my head. There were some other really good ones as well. My most recently completed season, China, is high up there too.

[AarynGriesfan]

1. Survivor: Micronesia
2. Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains
3. Survivor: Blood vs. Water
4. Survivor: Pearl Islands
5. Survivor: The Amazon
6. Survivor: Cagayan
7. Survivor: Kaôh Rōng
8. Survivor: Tocantins
9. Survivor: The Australian Outback
10. Survivor: Borneo
11. Survivor: Philippines
12. Survivor: China
13. Survivor: Panama
14. Survivor: Vanuatu
15. Survivor: Cambodia
16. Survivor: Marquesas
17. Survivor: San Juan del Sur
18. Survivor: Africa
19. Survivor: Guatemala
20. Survivor: Palau
21. Survivor: Worlds Apart
22. Survivor: Gabon
23. Survivor: Redemption Island
24. Survivor: One World
25. Survivor: Cook Islands
26. Survivor: Nicaragua
27. Survivor: South Pacific
28. Survivor: Caramoan
29. Survivor: Samoa
30. Survivor: All-Stars
31. Survivor Thailand
32. Survivor: Fiji

[JerseyWins]

Also I forgot about Panama. Definitely top 5 and maybe as good as #2.

[hot2go]

Any that have finished airing

[MB.]

um okay

[Jack_]

Any that have finished airing

:umm2:

[Calderyon]

Still Heroes vs Villains.

[DouglasS]

I've not seen the first 10 or so seasons, I do plan on watching them eventually. I've also not seen the most recent season as Cambodia really put me off watching survivor, justice for Chaos Kass1

Micronesia

1] Micronesia [16]
2] Heroes v Villans [20]
3] Cagayan [28]
4] Blood vs Water [27]
5] Gabon [17]
6] Philipinnes [25]
7] China [15]
8] Pearl Islands [7]
9] Caramoan [26]
10] Samoa [19]
11] San Juan del Sur [29]
12] Cook Islands [13]
13] Kaoh Rong
14] Redemption Island [22]
15] Nicargua [21]
16] Panama [12]
17] One World [24]
18] World’s Apart [30]
19] Cambodia [31]
20] Tocantins [18]
21] Fiji [14]


Seasons not seen; 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11, 23

[reece(:]

You haven't seen San Juan del Sur? :o

[DouglasS]

You haven't seen San Juan del Sur? :o

Is that Blood vs Water 2? Post Merge one of my favourite seasons ever, great TV. Pre-merge really suffered though, It'd be in my top half of Survivor.

I haven't seen the most recent season, I'm not sure where it took place.

[reece(:]

1. China
2. Heroes vs Villains
3. Gabon
4. Micronesia
5. Pearl Islands
6. Panama
7. San Juan del Sur
8. Amazon
9. Philippines
10. Cagayan
11. Nicaragua
12. Koah Rong
13. One World
14. Palau
15. Marquesas
16. Vanuatu
17. Borneo
18. Blood vs Water
19. Cambodia
20. Guatemala
21. Australia
22. Samoa
23. Worlds Apart
24. Tocantins
25. Africa
26. Caramoan
27. Cook Islands
28. Fiji
29. South Pacific
30. Millennials vs Gen X
31. All-Stars
32. Redemption Island
33. Thailand

[LukeB]

1.Heroes Vs Villians
2.Micronesia
3.China
4.Pearl Islands
5.Panama
6.Amazon
7.San Juan Del Sur
8.Cagayan
9.Palau
10.All-Stars
11.Cook Islands
12.Australia
13.Blood Vs Water
14.Kaoh Rong
15.Tocantins
16.Gabon
17.Marquesas
18.Guatemala
19.Nicaragua
20.Millennials vs. Gen X
21.Borneo
22.Caramoan
23.Redemption Island
24.Cambodia
25.Philippines
26.One World
27.South Pacific
28.Samoa
29.Worlds Apart
30.Thailand
31.Africa
32.Fiji
33.Vanuatu

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
---11. Kaoh Rong---
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. Nicaragua
15. China
16. Philippines
17. The Australian Outback
18. Guatemala
19. Palau
20. South Pacific
21. Tocantins
22. Fiji
23. Blood vs. Water
24. Thailand
25. All-Stars
---26. Millennials vs. Gen X---
27. Worlds Apart
28. One World
29. Cambodia
30. Samoa
31. Caramoan
32. Cook Islands
33. Redemption Island

The finer details might change depending on the day, but something like this generally speaking. Kaoh Rong was fantastic and clearly a fluke, and Millennials vs. Gen X clearly followed as a direct sequel of Cambodia and held onto a lot of that season's flaws. Terrible season, this show is heading into a terrible direction, not excited for Game Changers, etc. I've already posted enough **** in the main thread.

[caprimint]

Out of the seasons I've seen, S33 is my favourite so far. I know arguments can be made against the edit etc, but from a character/unpredictability point of view, it was brilliant and had some really interesting/entertaining moments.

[LukeB]

Out of the seasons I've seen, S33 is my favourite so far. I know arguments can be made against the edit etc, but from a character/unpredictability point of view, it was brilliant and had some really interesting/entertaining moments.

I was meh at the season at first but started to enjoy it tbh. I wouldn't watch something I don't like all the way through and moan and moan about it if i didn't.

[Macie Lightfoot]

and yet I'm the one with no life trying to start an argument

[LukeB]

and yet I'm the one with no life trying to start an argument

umm I was talking to caprimincepie but not surprised at you trying to start something. move along :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

okay I know this is going to be *SHOCKING* but if you don't want to talk to me then don't talk about me. Maybe you should try it out sometime.

[LukeB]

okay I know this is going to be *SHOCKING* but if you don't want to talk to me then don't talk about me. Maybe you should try it out sometime.

i'm not talking about you, I'm talking about me :) me and only me.

[JerseyWins]

Out of the seasons I've seen, S33 is my favourite so far. I know arguments can be made against the edit etc, but from a character/unpredictability point of view, it was brilliant and had some really interesting/entertaining moments.
Yes :clap1: Sooooo many moments. Beautiful moments between the Zeke/Bret moment and the one with Jay/Adam about Adam's mom. Also, the family visit was one of the best visits ever IMO from an emotional standpoint, although in fairness they really dragged it on with there being 9 or so people left in the game. More importantly, there were so many game moments during the season followed by insane tribal council after insane tribal council. Paul getting taken down early and David/Ken going from the bottom to the top, Michaela's blindside, just as some early examples (as much as I liked her it was a great moment where she shined and since she returns anyway I think it's fine). It only got crazier later in the season. As much as people want to say it was a predictable season with a predictable winner; well in the end it really wasn't since not many picked Adam to win. IMO the results were simply wild throughout the season, not just the winner. Many jurors/finalists had perfectly fine edits but some will be irrelevant, it happens on every season. What I'll say is the editors could've edited in some storylines a little better like the Sunday/Jessica rivalry and maybe include a few more main characters than they did.

I'm no hater of Kaoh Rong at all but MvGX is right on its level if not better. Many will disagree but there was a better boot order in MvGX as well. A lot of my faves went out early in Kaoh Rong (although I was still able to like a decent amount of people around the end anyway) but in MvGX a lot of my faves remained.

[reece(:]

It gave us unforgettable characters in Sunday, CeCe, Rachel, Lucy and Jessica!

[Headie]

It gave us unforgettable characters in Sunday, CeCe, Rachel, Lucy and Jessica!

:joker:

Mess @ most of these bein in the top half of my cast rankings for the season tho

[Macie Lightfoot]

They really didn't give us any reason to care about at least half of the jury though? Michelle, Jessica, Sunday, Chris, Will, **** you can even throw Zeke and Bret in there too since the former's whole story was "He Played A Good Game" and the latter didn't really exist except for the time he came out.

I definitely agree that there were a lot of great things about this season on paper, but the execution was so poor because the cast was dull and the edit sucked and there was no incentive to invest in a lot of the characters.

[reece(:]

:joker:

Mess @ most of these bein in the top half of my cast rankings for the season tho

Same :joker:

[JerseyWins]

It gave us unforgettable characters in Sunday, CeCe, Rachel, Lucy and Jessica!
http://cdn.skim.gs/images/tjogcg7tjan8oqqv5qnp/survivor-jessica-lewis-exclusive-interview

[reece(:]

http://cdn.skim.gs/images/tjogcg7tjan8oqqv5qnp/survivor-jessica-lewis-exclusive-interview

Legend who was defined by a rock more than her personality

[MB.]

Poor Pink Eye getting purple rocked

[caprimint]

They really didn't give us any reason to care about at least half of the jury though? Michelle, Jessica, Sunday, Chris, Will, **** you can even throw Zeke and Bret in there too since the former's whole story was "He Played A Good Game" and the latter didn't really exist except for the time he came out.

I definitely agree that there were a lot of great things about this season on paper, but the execution was so poor because the cast was dull and the edit sucked and there was no incentive to invest in a lot of the characters.
Disagree on Michelle, Chris, Will and Zeke (even Bret more so towards the end). I was at least able to form opinions on them all from what they showed us, I think the only few nonentities were Sunday/Jessica and Rachel/Lucy/CeCe who didn't have much of a storyline to showcase.

[JerseyWins]

I mean let's look at the Kaoh Rong cast... it had its non-entities...

Don't get me wrong plenty of these are likable but the same opinion can be formed like they are with the MvGx castaways.

Darnell (Rachel had more of an impact as a first boot)

Joe (completely irrelevant on so many episodes)

Jennifer (I forget what I liked about her but her edit doesn't really surpass a MvGX early boot such as Lucy, who had more of an impact in an episode at least ... could maybe compare to someone like Jessica even)

Anna (as much as I liked her she fizzled out quickly and she was one-dimensional... similar to like Michelle from MvGx.. who I also liked though :joker:)

Neal was a much worse / more boring version of Zeke as far as I'm concerned. Pretty damn bland.

Nick was a one-tone, annoying, full of himself character.

Scot & Jason served as decent villains for the season I'll give them that, but they're another pair of pretty unlikable castaways. (I guess Scot at least had a few different aspects to his personality as we saw with his relationship with Tai and what not but whatever at these two)

Aubry wasn't far off from the typical "nerdy" game player (likable enough though). The thing is, I would say Hannah is the WAY better version of this kind of character and actually had plenty of different dimensions to her character. Much funnier too obviously as Aubry didn't have much of a sense of humor.

Maybe some others as well. But that's half the cast already. I think you could pick apart plenty of people from the Kaoh Rong cast just like in the MvGx cast. :shrug:

[JerseyWins]

MvGx did have 2 extra people on the cast too so it's a little bit tougher to get quality edits in early on. I think they did a pretty fine job though and IMO the most entertaining/likable people got the big edits.

[MB.]

Darnell (Rachel had more of an impact as a first boot)

...no she didn't?

Joe (completely irrelevant on so many episodes)

And yet he was still great, funny how that works out

Jennifer (I forget what I liked about her but her edit doesn't really surpass a MvGX early boot such as Lucy, who had more of an impact in an episode at least ... could maybe compare to someone like Jessica even)

lol she had 100x the visibility of Lucy and more impact than Jessica despite lasting far fewer episodes, this doesn't even make sense

Nick was a one-tone, annoying, full of himself character.

Not sure how this makes him a non-entity but okay

And then there's stuff like "Neal was a worse version of Zeke" and "Aubry didn't have a sense of humour" that I'm not even going to go near

(plus, KR might have had the best editing of the past... ten seasons? which is why so many of the characters are well fleshed out and it makes MvGX's editing even more laughable)

[LukeB]

MvGx did have 2 extra people on the cast too so it's a little bit tougher to get quality edits in early on. I think they did a pretty fine job though and IMO the most entertaining/likable people got the big edits.

Who would be your favourite winner from this year, Adam or Michele?

[reece(:]

Joe Del Campo is a top survivor male :love:

[JerseyWins]

I think certain people had amazing edits in Kaoh Rong but I think the same thing for MvGx. A decent amount of castaways from Kaoh Rong had literally one dimension to their character (so maybe Nick wasn't a non-entity but that's what I was getting at with him & a few of the others) which is the argument that's trying to be made for a bunch of people from the MvGx cast.

[MB.]

Joe Del Campo is a top survivor male :love:

Joe taking thirty attempts to spell the word 'immunity' > entire episodes of Millennials vs. Gen X

[JerseyWins]

Who would be your favourite winner from this year, Adam or Michele?
Michele

Michele is an above average winner while Adam is a below average winner IMO. I found Michele to be a good character while I only felt sympathy for Adam but didn't really care for him aside from that.

[JerseyWins]

Joe taking thirty attempts to spell the word 'immunity' > entire episodes of Millennials vs. Gen X
:conf:

I know you're probably not serious but lol. :joker:

[MB.]

Of course I'm serious

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't think the argument is that the MvGX cast was edited one-dimensionally as so much as that they were edited to be very flat and toneless characters who we were given no reason to care about. Rachel-Mari-Paul is one of the least inspiring one-two-three punches in Survivor history, Lucy didn't exist for 75% of her episodes, CeCe didn't exist, Michelle didn't exist after she orchestrated the Mari boot, Chris is one of the most useless and legitimately boring casting choices of all time (he played college football and that's it), Jessica drew a rock and that's it, Will didn't exist until his last two episodes, Sunday didn't exist at all, Zeke "existed" in the most blatant example of "he's coming back for another season so you guys better remember him" ... I could go on and on (and I know I have.)

And you can say that a lot of it comes down to a 20 person cast, which sure part of it might, but then this show needs to stop casting 20 people??? There's no need for 20 people if they can't edit the show properly (and they can't. Cambodia was even worse), if they're going to do the same ~SHOCKING~ two tribes to three tribe swap, if they're going to inflate the merge with 13 or 14 people (there is literally no point to this), inflate the jury with 10 people (there is literally no point to this, ESPECIALLY when this show clearly does not think the Final Tribal Council is important enough to spend more than 15 minutes on), and inflate the funale with 6 people (there is literally no point to this, especially when they can't tell a coherent story to begin with, let alone attempt to tell one when they have to show three Challenges, three Tribal Councils, AND a Final Tribal Council and vote reveal.)

[reece(:]

Joe taking thirty attempts to spell the word 'immunity' > entire episodes of Millennials vs. Gen X

Joe playing bad cop and grilling Peter > Millennials vs. Gen X
Joe poisoning the water and killing off Liz > Millennials vs. Gen X

[Braden]

Micronesia
Heroes vs. Villains
Pearl Islands
Borneo
The Amazon
Panama
China
Africa
Marquesas
Kaoh Rong
Vanuatu
San Juan Del Sur
Cagayan
The Australian Outback
~Game Changers~
Palau
Gabon
Millennials vs. Gen-X
Philippines
Nicaragua
All-Stars
South Pacific
Worlds Apart
Tocantins
Guatemala
Blood vs. Water
One World
Fiji
Cambodia
Cook Islands
Thailand
Samoa
Redemption Island

[DouglasS]

1] Micronesia [16]
2] Heroes v Villans [20]
3] Cagayan [28]
4] Blood vs Water [27]
5] Gabon [17]
6] Philipinnes [25]
7] China [15]
8] Pearl Islands [7]
9] Caramoan [26]
10] Gamechangers [34] -- It had a lot of great moments, and I liked a lot of the cast -- The end half of the game was very rushed, was great until Sierra's boot and then the editing got super messy - Still an amazing pre merge with great tribal councils, Sandra was an interesting character -- The only invisible edits were Caleb and Troyzan - although Aubry was a little underedited but still had moments [Wouldn't count Ciera as never include first boots, although she had no impact.]
11] Samoa [19]
12] San Juan del Sur [29]
13] Kaoh Rong [32]
14] Cook Islands [13]
15] Redemption Island [22]
16] Nicargua [21]
17] Panama [12]
18] One World [24]
19] World’s Apart [30]
20] Cambodia [31]
21] Tocantins [18]
22] Fiji [14]


Seasons not seen; 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11, 23, 33

I plan on eventually watching seasons 23 and 33.

[Mystic Mock]

Of the ones that I've seen I really enjoyed Pearl Islands, China, and Panama.

I voted for Pearl Islands on the poll though.

[Dominic]

It's probably Amazon now that I've rewatched it tbh but PI is a close second.

[Natalie.]

Haven't seen too many but Kaoh Rong is my favourite so far

[JerseyWins]

Amazing to Great
Very Good to Pretty Good
Ok to Meh
Bad to Very Bad


Cagayan
Pearl Islands
Panama
Amazon
San Juan del Sur
China
Caramoan
Samoa
Micronesia
Millennials vs. Gen X
Gabon
Kaoh Rong
Heroes vs. Villains
Marquesas
Worlds Apart
One World
Borneo
Philippines
Cambodia
Tocantins
Blood vs. Water
Game Changers
Nicaragua
Redemption Island
Africa
Fiji
Australia
Palau
Guatemala
All Stars
Cook Islands
Vanuatu
South Pacific
Thailand

[Cal.]

I've only seen Pearl Islands (watched late 2015) but I plan on watching a large portion of Survivor this summer.

Must see seasons girlies?

[MB.]

Any of Borneo-Marquesas, Amazon, Vanuatu, Panama, China, Micronesia, Gabon, HvV, Philippines, San Juan del Sur and Kaoh Rong would be my top picks

[Cal.]

Any of Borneo-Marquesas, Amazon, Vanuatu, Panama, China, Micronesia, Gabon, HvV, Philippines, San Juan del Sur and Kaoh Rong would be my top picks

Thank you :love:

[Dominic]

Any of Borneo-Marquesas, Amazon, Vanuatu, Panama, China, Micronesia, Gabon, HvV, Philippines, San Juan del Sur and Kaoh Rong would be my top picks

:clap1:

[JerseyWins]

I'd go with a bunch of those too. Cagayan is a must-watch but watch those listed first instead --- then save the best for last.

Also, Millennials vs. Gen X is a top 10 season of Survivor. :clap1:

[MB.]

Cagayan's great, but you might be a bit put off if you're not keen on either of the two people the post-merge is edited heavily around

[reece(:]

Also, Millennials vs. Gen X is a top 10 season of Survivor. :clap1:
Wow Sunday's impact knows no bounds!

[MB.]

Millennials vs. Gen X is definitely a top 34 season of Survivor

[Mystic Mock]

I mean let's look at the Kaoh Rong cast... it had its non-entities...

Don't get me wrong plenty of these are likable but the same opinion can be formed like they are with the MvGx castaways.

Darnell (Rachel had more of an impact as a first boot)

Joe (completely irrelevant on so many episodes)

Jennifer (I forget what I liked about her but her edit doesn't really surpass a MvGX early boot such as Lucy, who had more of an impact in an episode at least ... could maybe compare to someone like Jessica even)

Anna (as much as I liked her she fizzled out quickly and she was one-dimensional... similar to like Michelle from MvGx.. who I also liked though :joker:)

Neal was a much worse / more boring version of Zeke as far as I'm concerned. Pretty damn bland.

Nick was a one-tone, annoying, full of himself character.

Scot & Jason served as decent villains for the season I'll give them that, but they're another pair of pretty unlikable castaways. (I guess Scot at least had a few different aspects to his personality as we saw with his relationship with Tai and what not but whatever at these two)

Aubry wasn't far off from the typical "nerdy" game player (likable enough though). The thing is, I would say Hannah is the WAY better version of this kind of character and actually had plenty of different dimensions to her character. Much funnier too obviously as Aubry didn't have much of a sense of humor.

Maybe some others as well. But that's half the cast already. I think you could pick apart plenty of people from the Kaoh Rong cast just like in the MvGx cast. :shrug:

I was actually speaking to someone about Kaoh Rong recently and we was talking about how it was basically a year of two types of contestants, one half was entertaining but had no strategy at all, and then you had the other half being all game and no entertainment that should come with a gameplan imo.

Also the show got too wrapped up around Aubry and Jason.

[MB.]

I'd love to know who from Kaoh Rong would qualify as "all game and no entertainment", because I can think of maybe two at a push

[Mystic Mock]

I'd love to know who from Kaoh Rong would qualify as "all game and no entertainment", because I can think of maybe two at a push

Well I was mainly thinking of Aubry, but at a push maybe Julia who did try and takedown Aubry towards the end of her stint.

The year wasn't very big on gameplayers, and the ones they did have were dull, and the entertainers had no game and left pretty early making the year even duller with a winner that I can't even remember her name that's how entertaining she was.

Basically Survivor ****ed up on it's concept in that year imo as none of the contestants combined entertainment with an attempt at strategy.

[MB.]

...not any of that is true, but that's the (brains, brawn and) beauty of opinions and subjective material, I guess

[JerseyWins]

Idk if I necessarily agree but it is true for some.... Neal definitely. Aubry maybe fits close to that, although she has some entertaining aspects to her.. but for sure very game oriented. Liz was all game but it was kinda entertaining to watch her "game." Anna/Julia I guess I agree with?

And I still don't know what Joe was supposed to be aside from a Sunday.

Anyway, I thought Kaoh Rong was really good though. I just think it's foolish to bash a season (MvGx) for character flaws when you can pick apart most casts if you really tried. Any argument against Kaoh Rong characters being one-dimensional could easily be done with the MvGx cast but yes if you just think generally they can be viewed as "one-dimensional" or underdeveloped characters. I think MvGx just had a strong focus on cast members that people around here didn't care for and that's where the difference lies.

[JerseyWins]

Oh and I don't mean it's foolish because character development shouldn't be bashed... it can definitely hurt a season... but I just think that the MvGx character development was comparable to plenty of good seasons' casts and had the moments / flips / etc. to make it a great season.

[MB.]

-Aubry had some of the most memorable confessionals of the season (see: Oregon Trail), had a full nervous breakdown on day two plus a resulting character growth arc and a fully-realised, well-edited storyline (underestimated outsider loses her close allies through an almost comical series of events and bad luck, eventually overcomes these hurdles to become a strategic threat, before losing it all because she wasn't able to connect with the jury, having sacrificed personal connections for aforementioned strategic gain)
-I agree with you on Liz, who was a rare example of being entertaining because she was such a bot, to the extent of malfunctioning and having a meltdown over water <3
-Anna was the other person who I'd say seemed "all game" to me, but for a Survivor early boot, that's not unusual - especially when compared to characters who managed to be entertaining despite only lasting a few episodes, like Darnell, Jenny and Alecia - and at least she had the brief carrying-out-confessionals-by-lying-horizontally-on-rocks-with-her-boobs-hanging-out edit to be remembered by. But hey, every reason needs a duffer slash awful Twitter personality, right?
-Joe was, in spite of his very minimal screen time, unintentionally hilarious and loveable and what you'd get if Abe Simpson were ever to play Survivor: importantly, he was a character, and that's what was missing from so much of MvGX. Screen time isn't necessarily the problem; it's what the editors choose to show in that screen time. On one hand, Darnell will be remembered for pooping in the ocean, Jenny will be remembered for the bug in her ear and going insane at Tribal, Alecia will be remembered for making an embyro and being a mental giant and the list goes on... on the other, who was Rachel? Who was Lucy? Who was CeCe? Who was Sunday? Heck, who was Chris? Who was Mari other than the millennial who plays video games and plays video games because she's a millennial?
-And perhaps even more importantly, the edit made sense in Kaoh Rong. The managed to tell a coherent story with an interesting set of people, which is something that's been hugely lacking in MvGX and Game Changers, and if you back a little further, Cambodia. Kaoh Rong may not be 100% perfect, but considering what it managed to achieve in spite of the current trend of diabolical editing, ludicrous advantage overloads and focus on Big Moves while sacrificing character moments, it's not far off.

[reece(:]

But M vs Gen X had CeCe, Lucy, Chris, Will, Sunday, Jessica Bland etc. All forgettable because they weren't given an edit.

[Mystic Mock]

The best thing about CeCe was her appalling performances in the tasks.

[MB.]

afaik that was the only thing about CeCe (wasn't she the one who moved halfway across the country just to have a better chance of being cast on Survivor? A fact which was never even mentioned?)

[Mystic Mock]

afaik that was the only thing about CeCe (wasn't she the one who moved halfway across the country just to have a better chance of being cast on Survivor? A fact which was never even mentioned?)

I can't remember as CeCe never really interested me very much.

[LemonJam]

-Aubry had some of the most memorable confessionals of the season (see: Oregon Trail), had a full nervous breakdown on day two plus a resulting character growth arc and a fully-realised, well-edited storyline (underestimated outsider loses her close allies through an almost comical series of events and bad luck, eventually overcomes these hurdles to become a strategic threat, before losing it all because she wasn't able to connect with the jury, having sacrificed personal connections for aforementioned strategic gain)
-I agree with you on Liz, who was a rare example of being entertaining because she was such a bot, to the extent of malfunctioning and having a meltdown over water <3
-Anna was the other person who I'd say seemed "all game" to me, but for a Survivor early boot, that's not unusual - especially when compared to characters who managed to be entertaining despite only lasting a few episodes, like Darnell, Jenny and Alecia - and at least she had the brief carrying-out-confessionals-by-lying-horizontally-on-rocks-with-her-boobs-hanging-out edit to be remembered by. But hey, every reason needs a duffer slash awful Twitter personality, right?
-Joe was, in spite of his very minimal screen time, unintentionally hilarious and loveable and what you'd get if Abe Simpson were ever to play Survivor: importantly, he was a character, and that's what was missing from so much of MvGX. Screen time isn't necessarily the problem; it's what the editors choose to show in that screen time. On one hand, Darnell will be remembered for pooping in the ocean, Jenny will be remembered for the bug in her ear and going insane at Tribal, Alecia will be remembered for making an embyro and being a mental giant and the list goes on... on the other, who was Rachel? Who was Lucy? Who was CeCe? Who was Sunday? Heck, who was Chris? Who was Mari other than the millennial who plays video games and plays video games because she's a millennial?
-And perhaps even more importantly, the edit made sense in Kaoh Rong. The managed to tell a coherent story with an interesting set of people, which is something that's been hugely lacking in MvGX and Game Changers, and if you back a little further, Cambodia. Kaoh Rong may not be 100% perfect, but considering what it managed to achieve in spite of the current trend of diabolical editing, ludicrous advantage overloads and focus on Big Moves while sacrificing character moments, it's not far off.

Let us all take a moment to take in how righteous this post is. :clap1:

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. Nicaragua
15. China
16. Philippines
17. The Australian Outback
18. Guatemala
19. Palau
20. South Pacific
---21. Game Changers---
22. Tocantins
23. Fiji
24. Blood vs. Water
25. Thailand
26. All-Stars
27. Millennials vs. Gen X
28. Worlds Apart
29. One World
30. Cambodia
31. Samoa
32. Caramoan
33. Cook Islands
34. Redemption Island

Game Changers was.... okay! A looooot better than I was expecting, but I was expecting complete garbage to be fair. I find it in the same vein of Blood vs. Water where it's just like "alright, this is another season of Survivor" and I don't feel that strongly about it either way :shrug: I think the pre-merge was watchable but nothing special, and the post-merge got more boring by the episode, culminating in me falling asleep TWICE during the funale, which has never happened to me before (and I was definitely tired and in need of some sleep, but watching the finale didn't help at all.) I think #21 might actually be a little generous right now bc I'm thinking about Sandra, so don't be surprised if I bump this down like two or three spots sometime soon.

[DouglasS]

I'm shocked at howmuch I enjoyed this season, I also was expecting to not like it - I'm not massive on returnee seasons.

Pre-merge i thought was fantastic, some brilliant tribals. It was coherent in its editing as well to understand storylines and future plots.

I agree post merge was rushed, but I disagree that it was boring each episode - I think Debbie's elimination/Sarah's flipping was interesting to watch.

Also Zeke's elimination was a good episode, had no clue whether it'd be him, Andrea or Sierra.

I think it was actually a really good season, just messed up a bit from the rushed merge section, it really needed another episode - perhaps Cirie's boot episode. Which would have meant the finale could consist of Tai/Aubry's elimination and the goings of the camp.

Also the fact Sandra had the main edit of pre merge and then Cirie had the main edit of post merge was suprising, yet interesting. Also suprised Debbie was the villan of the season with such a strong edit, while Ozzy/Malcolm/JT didn't feature too much [Jeff's usual faves]. I personally do like Ozzzy/Malolm very much. Normally its very male dominated, so it was a nice suprise/change. I expected Hali/Sierra to have non-existant edits, but both actually featured pretty heavily.

[EspeonBB]

I think Game Changers is around mid table for me too. It wasn't awful like the seasons I have at the bottom (RI, One World etc.) and the pre-merge was very strong but it started to fizzle out a bit by the mid-merge and the last two episodes in particular were terrible. Also the editing wasn't very good, with new different relationships forming every episode without any explanation (like Andrea and Aubry suddenly becoming tight).

Thinking about the pre-merge as a tribute to Sandra and the post-merge as a tribute to Cirie makes things better though <3

[JerseyWins]

Amazing to Great
Very Good to Pretty Good
Ok to Meh
Bad to Very Bad


Cagayan
Pearl Islands
Panama
Amazon
San Juan del Sur
China
Caramoan
Samoa
Micronesia
Millennials vs. Gen X
Gabon
Kaoh Rong
Heroes vs. Villains
Marquesas
Worlds Apart
Borneo
Philippines
Heroes vs. Hustlers vs. Healers
One World
Cambodia
Tocantins
Blood vs. Water
Nicaragua
Redemption Island
Game Changers
Africa
Fiji
Australia
Palau
Guatemala
All Stars
Cook Islands
Vanuatu
South Pacific
Thailand

HvHvH right around that blue/orange border. Plus a few small changes, including Game Changers lowered a few spots in hindsight.

[Calderyon]

Can´t make a list atm. Or could, but it would be very hard, since i don´t remember most of them anymore and can´t be bothered to rewatch.

I might try make a list at some point. Heroes vs Villains is at the top though.

[Calderyon]

Hmm... maybe it would be easier to rewatch them at 2x speed.

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. Nicaragua
15. China
16. Philippines
17. The Australian Outback
---18. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers---
19. Guatemala
20. Palau
21. South Pacific
22. Tocantins
23. Fiji
24. Blood vs. Water
25. Game Changers
26. Thailand
27. All-Stars
28. Millennials vs. Gen X
29. Worlds Apart
30. One World
31. Cambodia
32. Samoa
33. Caramoan
34. Cook Islands
35. Redemption Island

HvHvH was fine? For a season that definitely has something clearly wrong with it, it still manages to stay afloat and entertain pretty consistently because the cast is solid and the editing was very balanced and basically the entire endgame revolved around a bunch of absurd people having the most petty feuds imaginable and doing crazy things at camp and at TC and just generally thinking with their hearts and not with their brains :love: IDK this forum was way too negative about this season just because Mike and lame ass Joe and ****ing DESI didn't succeed.

(I also bumped GC down a bit not bc it's aged poorly but it's forgettable? It's not bad but it almost feels like it didn't happen in some regards)

[JerseyWins]

Mike and lame ass Joe
https://78.media.tumblr.com/5941b79c72fa38929a3139599e7223fa/tumblr_p0aysis6iV1u0h0vio6_500.gif

They've made it on a Macie rant, they've done something right :fan:

[Eddie.]

Borneo. Need to watch more Survivor seasons though...only watched like 5...in full.

[Eddie.]

Where do you guys watch Survivor series anyway?

[JerseyWins]

I watched them on a site called alluc. It had all the seasons and just about every single episode (sometimes they're just a little harder to find or you have to go a few pages into the search).

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. Nicaragua
15. China
16. Philippines
17. The Australian Outback
18. Guatemala
19. Palau
20. South Pacific
21. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
22. Tocantins
23. Fiji
24. Blood vs. Water
25. Game Changers
26. Thailand
27. All-Stars
28. Worlds Apart
---29. Ghost Island---
30. Millennials vs. Gen X
31. One World
32. Cambodia
33. Samoa
34. Caramoan
35. Cook Islands
36. Redemption Island

Man what a slog this season was. Episodes 3-6 were actually very solid, but man after the second tribe swap things just went freefalling soooooo fast. Bradley's boot ep was literally just 40 minutes of people digging up Idols and Advantages, Chris's boot ep was AWFUL and featured only him and Dom and Wendell, and then from there we focused exclusively on one alliance and the insultingly obvious outcome. The storytelling was ****, the editing was garbage, and there was wayyyyyyyyyy too much of a focus on ****ing trinkets and gimmicks and idols and advantages.

*I bumped HvHvH down 3 spots because it's kiiinda forgettable
*I switched WA and MvGX because somehow MvGX keeps aging even worse

[DouglasS]

1. Micronesia [16]
2. Heroes v Villans [20]
3. Cagayan [28]
4. Amazon [6]
5. Blood vs Water [27]
6. Gabon [17]
7. Philipinnes [25]
8. China [15]
9. Pearl Islands [7]

10 Gamechangers [34]
11. Caramoan [26]
12. Samoa [19]
13. San Juan del Sur [29]
14. Kaoh Rong [32]
15. Ghost Island [36]
16. Cook Islands [13]
17. Redemption Island [22]
18. Nicargua [21]
19. Panama [12]

20. One World [24]
21. World’s Apart [30]
22. Cambodia [31]
23. Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers [35]
24. Tocantins [18]
25. Fiji [14]


I still need to watch seasons 1-5, 8-11, 23, 33. Will eventually get round to watching South Pacific and Genx - I just watched Amazon and loved it. I preferred it to Pearl Islands which is known as a classic season. I was worried I wouldn't enjoy it as I'm not a fan of 'old TV', but it was brilliant. Very disspointing ending however, otherwise it'd probably be #3 on my list.

I thought Ghost Island was enjoyable, was far better than HvHvH - that was a poor season I stopped watching when Cole went as i just couldn't watch it. HvHvH, Worlds Apart and Cambodia are the only series I have stopped watching during the merge because I had no desire to finish. Although Fiji was just boring and I forced myself to finish it.

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. China
---15. David vs. Goliath---
16. Philippines
17. Nicaragua
18. The Australian Outback
19. Guatemala
20. Palau
21. South Pacific
22. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
23. Tocantins
24. Fiji
25. Blood vs. Water
26. Game Changers
27. Thailand
28. All-Stars
29. Worlds Apart
30. Cambodia
31. Samoa
32. Caramoan
33. Ghost Island
34. Millennials vs. Gen X
35. One World
36. Cook Islands
37. Redemption Island

So this season was Very Good for modern Survivor but like... it's definitely not top 10 material lol. The game is just tainted by too many advantages and idol scavenger hunts and fire-making that there's no real strategic merit to the show anymore, which really makes it Big Brother but on an island. That being said, we got very even editing and a pretty engaging cast so I think it's probably about as good as modern Survivor can be!

*I bumped Nicaragua down from 14 to 17 because as I'm working my way through a rewatch it's so far not as good as I remember. The editing is definitely Not Good and it's just not quite popping yet. Could change though.
*I'm spontaneously dropping the trifecta of GI, MvGX, and OW from 30-31-32 to 33-34-35 just because... they're all very bad seasons alol. And in defense of the other seasons that now jumped up, they're not good either but Cambodia at least has a few funny moments hidden in all the boring strategy, Samoa has been proven to be Not Bad when you edit out Russell's existence, and Caramoan is definitely garbage but at least it picks up a tad in the post-merge.

[TomC]

^ I see what you're saying. I adored a lot of DvG but the Idol Nullifier is acc a pretty gross advantage, and once again, too many idols.

[DouglasS]

I always think Blood vs Water is underrated here. I thought the cast was brilliant and so many people were rootable [Tina, Hayden,Katie, Laura]. Even Candice and Ciera [The only time both have actually been good in a season..].

I also think the format/twist worked really well. Rupert/Laura was cute. It was easy to watch and enjoyable.

[TomC]

I always think Blood vs Water is underrated here. I thought the cast was brilliant and so many people were rootable [Tina, Hayden,Katie, Laura]. Even Candice and Ciera [The only time both have actually been good in a season..].

I also think the format/twist worked really well. Rupert/Laura was cute. It was easy to watch and enjoyable.

I really like BvW. I think it's like the prelude to the Survivor renaissance of Cagayan etc.

[iRyan]

Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains, China, Gabon, Amazon, and Philippines standout most in my memory

[Koadey]

Glad to see that a lot of people liked San Juan del Sur. I might do a ranking later, and a lot of the red colored seasons from Macie's would also be colored red for me as well.

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. China
15. David vs. Goliath
16. Philippines
17. Nicaragua
18. The Australian Outback
19. Guatemala
20. Palau
21. South Pacific
22. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
23. Tocantins
24. Fiji
25. Blood vs. Water
---26. Edge of Extinction---
27. Game Changers
28. Thailand
29. All-Stars
30. Worlds Apart
31. Cambodia
32. Samoa
33. Caramoan
34. Ghost Island
35. Millennials vs. Gen X
36. One World
37. Cook Islands
38. Redemption Island

I just went on a rant in the main thread for this season but it was like..... below average overall but about exactly average for current Survivor? Pointless returnees who got railroaded by newbies, horrible editing, a legitimately game-breaking twist that proves that Survivor has fully come around full circle and become Big Brother on an island..... but I wasn't unentertained really? If you take the season seriously you're going to completely hate it, but when you just treat it as a joke like the show has honestly treated itself at this point, you can find enough to be entertained from most episodes so it's not terrible! The Rick Devens Experience was truly abhorrent but then Chris Underwood came along and made it all better :love:

[Liam-]

China, Courtney :flutter:

Taste

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. China
15. David vs. Goliath
16. Philippines
17. Nicaragua
18. The Australian Outback
19. Guatemala
20. Palau
21. South Pacific
22. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
23. Tocantins
24. Fiji
25. Blood vs. Water
---26. Island of the Idols---
27. Edge of Extinction
28. Game Changers
29. Thailand
30. All-Stars
31. Worlds Apart
32. Cambodia
33. Samoa
34. Caramoan
35. Ghost Island
36. Millennials vs. Gen X
37. One World
38. Cook Islands
39. Redemption Island

I have a feeling Island of the Idols will move over time but #26 is a good spot for now. The pre-merge was HOT and it honestly seemed like this could've been an even better David vs. Goliath? But then lmao the merge episode happened and the woman empowerment theme turned into "women get sexually harassed and subsequently taken out for speaking up and having vaginas" and the show somehow progressed from "good and fun" to "frighteningly problematic" to "mind-numbingly boring" which is a remarkable trajectory. The pre-merge will age poorly since we all know what follows it, and while there were some good characters the whole women empowerment theme is a slap across the ****ing face considering we went up with the most generic whitebread BORING F2 ever. I'm really over this season and this show and I think Survivor has broken me :)

[Calderyon]

Heroes vs Villains still. SRV19 as runner up.

Maybe a full list someday.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I didn't know it was possible for a human being to rank Samoa as their second favorite season of all time. A true Christmas miracle.

[Matthew.]

1. Gabon
2. Panama
3. San Juan Del Sur
4. Micronesia
5. Cagayan
6. The Amazon
7. Pearl Islands
8. Nicaragua
9. Borneo
10. Vanuatu
11. South Pacific
12. Kaoh Rong
13. Heroes vs Villains
14. David vs. Goliath
15. Africa
16. China
17. Marquesas
18. Blood vs. Water
19. The Australian Outback
20. Game Changers
21. Guatemala
22. Heroes vs. Hustlers vs. Healers
23. Thailand
24. Tocantins
25. Edge of Extinction
26. All Stars
27. Philippines
28. Island Of The Idols
29. Fiji
30. Caramoan
31. Winners At War
32. Samoa
33. Cambodia
34. Worlds Apart
35. One World
36. Palau
37. Ghost Island
38. Millennials vs. Gen X
39. Cook Islands
40. Redemption Island

[Jigs]

Heroes vs. Villains
Cagayan
Micronesia


the top 3 :love:

[Calderyon]

I didn't know it was possible for a human being to rank Samoa as their second favorite season of all time. A true Christmas miracle.

Well i'm not a human being. Fully, at least.

[JerseyWins]

Amazing to Great
Very Good to Pretty Good
Ok to Meh
Bad to Very Bad


Cagayan
Pearl Islands
Panama
Amazon
San Juan del Sur
China
Caramoan
Samoa
Micronesia
Millennials vs. Gen X
Gabon
Kaoh Rong
Heroes vs. Villains
Marquesas
Worlds Apart
Borneo
Philippines
Heroes vs. Hustlers vs. Healers
One World
Cambodia
Tocantins
Blood vs. Water
Nicaragua
Redemption Island
Game Changers
Africa
Fiji
Australia
Palau
Guatemala
All Stars
Cook Islands
Vanuatu
South Pacific
Thailand
So I ranked SJDS as a top 5 season :think: That's better than I thought but I remember liking it a lot. Honestly only change I'd make off the top of my head is China #5 & SJDS #6

And for some reason the new seasons are a blur for me right now so I won't bother adding them in. Maybe in the future

[Jigs]

Ok lemme give this a whirl x
I haven't seen/only watched parts of Africa, Marquesas, Thailand, Amazon, All Stars, Vanuatu, Palau, Ghost Island and HvHvH so I won't rank those.


1. Heroes vs. Villains
2. Cagayan
3. Micronesia: FvF
4. China
5. Pearl Islands
-
6. Cambodia
7. David vs. Goliath
8. Tocantins
9. Philippines
10. Australian Outback
11. Gabon
12. Caramoan: FvF2
13. Borneo
14. Samoa
15. Island of the Idols
-
16. Kaôh Rōng
17. San Juan Del Sur
18. Panama: Exile Island
-
19. Millennials vs. Gen-X
20. Game Changers
21. World's Apart
22. Blood vs. Water
23. Nicaragua
24. Guatemala
25. Edge of Extinction
-
26. South Pacific
27. One World
28. Cook Islands
-
29. Fiji
30. Redemption Island


What I've concluded is that I love seasons with very clear-cut storylines and character arcs. That's why seasons like MvGX, Game Changers and EoE ranked so low because I felt they were way too messy compared to seasons like HvV, China and Micronesia which followed a plot and took you on a journey that just made sense. The only exception to this rule is Cagayan which had an incredibly nonsensical boot order at times but was the most delightful mess regardless :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. China
15. David vs. Goliath
16. Philippines
17. Nicaragua
18. The Australian Outback
19. Guatemala
20. Palau
21. South Pacific
22. Fiji
23. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
24. Tocantins
25. Blood vs. Water
---26. Winners at War---
27. Island of the Idols
28. Edge of Extinction
29. Game Changers
30. Thailand
31. All-Stars
32. Worlds Apart
33. Samoa
34. Caramoan
35. Cambodia
36. Cook Islands
37. One World
38. Millennials vs. Gen X
39. Ghost Island
40. Redemption Island

Forgot I haven't done this yet but here we go. I've gone on and on and on (just ask that poster with the Judd avatar who got mad at me for being critical of a show whose quality has diminished over time) about how this show has become such a shell of its former self, and ultimately we've settled into a pattern of a deceptively entertaining pre-merge followed by a lifeless post-merge. It's a tired formula that will continue to land the show in the bottom yellow tier on average, but so it is. The 30s were easily the worst decade of the franchise and I don't think the future is looking particularly bright.

Other changes:
-Fiji moved up two spots for me bc #FijiRenaissance
-I moved down Cambodia two spots just because :shrug:
-My original bottom 5 in order was GI/MvGx/OW/CI/RI and it changed to CI/OW/MxGX/GI/RI just because I was watching some Ghost Island clips as part of a project and those people are just sooooo ****ing boring that it was somehow understated in my mind? And Cook Islands and even One World get elevated just for somehow feeling vintage holy **** this show has gone down the drain if I just called those seasons vintage :skull:

[armand.kay]

not me voting Gabon ffffff

[armand.kay]

1) China
2) The Amazon
3) Cagayan
4) Micronesia
5) Panama
6) Heros vs Villains
7) Perl Island
8) Marquesas
9) Africa

10) Bourne
11) Guatemala
12) Tocantins
13) Gabon
14) Vanuatu
15) Kao Rong
16) Blood vs Water
17) San Juan Del Sur
18) David vs Goliath
19) Philippines
20) Winner's at War
21) Samoa

22) Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers
23) Cook Island
24) South Pacific
25) Millennials vs Gen X
26) Game Changers
27) Worlds Apart
28) Island of The Idols

29) Fiji
30) Palau
31) Cambodia
32) Edge Of Extinction
33) Caramoan

34) Australia

35) Ghost Island
36) Nicaragua
37) All-Stars
38) One World
39) Redemption Island
40) Thailand

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Heroes vs. Villains
5. San Juan del Sur
6. Panama
7. Micronesia
8. Gabon
9. Africa
10. Marquesas
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. Cagayan
14. China
15. David vs. Goliath
16. Philippines
17. Nicaragua
18. The Australian Outback
19. Guatemala
20. Palau
21. South Pacific
---22. 41---
23. Fiji
24. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
25. Tocantins
26. Blood vs. Water
27. Winners at War
28. Island of the Idols
29. Edge of Extinction
30. Game Changers
31. Thailand
32. All-Stars
33. Worlds Apart
34. Samoa
35. Caramoan
36. Cambodia
37. Cook Islands
38. One World
39. Millennials vs. Gen X
40. Ghost Island
41. Redemption Island

I'm shocked this season ended up in high yellow but alas! I was torn with whether to put it above or below Fiji, but this was absolutely better than the entire 33-40 era sans David vs. Goliath. And that's in spite of production! The production decisions were awful this season with the cheesy Ausvivor editing and absurd twists that really made The Monster feel like the 19th player. Thankfully though, Jesse Tannenbaum did a great job of casting and this season miraculously didn't fall apart by the time the tribes merged, and I'm surprised that the show was able to hold my interest all the way through? There is still so much wrong with this show and it will never, EVER change unfortunately, but if we can continue to get great casts that can shine in spite of the show's flaws then I think we'll actually be okay for a little bit. It's a pleasant surprise because I went in expecting the worst and was actually moderately impressed.

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Marquesas
5. Heroes vs. Villains
6. San Juan del Sur
7. Panama
8. Micronesia
9. Gabon
10. Africa
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. China
14. Cagayan
---15. 42---
16. David vs. Goliath
17. Philippines
18. Nicaragua
19. The Australian Outback
20. Guatemala
21. Palau
22. South Pacific
23. Fiji
24. 41
25. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
26. Tocantins
27. Blood vs. Water
28. Edge of Extinction
29. Island of the Idols
30. Winners at War
31. Game Changers
32. Thailand
33. All-Stars
34. Worlds Apart
35. Samoa
36. Caramoan
37. Cambodia
38. Cook Islands
39. One World
40. Millennials vs. Gen X
41. Ghost Island
42. Redemption Island

The unthinkable has happened --- a modern season of Survivor has A) finished in green, B) cracked my top 15! As I said in another thread, this season has been good and fun and VERY refreshing. It's still modern Survivor, but the twists aren't quite as suffocating as in most previous seasons, the edit was largely balanced and nuanced, and while there wasn't one individual I loved as an all-time favorite, the cast as a whole is greater than the sum of its parts because these people had very interesting dynamics with each other and bounced off of each other very well. I can't believe that this show tricked me into actually getting excited about it again, but here we are? Here's to hoping The New Era can continue to give us more seasons like this because realistically I think it's about as good as it's ever going to get again.

Other changes:
-Marquesas randomly jumped up from #10 to #4?! The more I think about it the more I realize I was criminally underrating the season at #10, it's so damn good
-swapped China and Cagayan just because
-also swapped Fiji and 41 just because
-changed my bottom yellow rankings from WaW>IotI>EoE>GC to EoE>IoTI>WaW>GC because Winners at War really ages worse over time :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Marquesas
5. Heroes vs. Villains
6. San Juan del Sur
7. Panama
8. Micronesia
9. Gabon
10. Africa
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. China
14. Cagayan
15. 42
16. David vs. Goliath
17. Philippines
18. Nicaragua
19. The Australian Outback
20. Guatemala
21. Palau
22. South Pacific
23. Fiji
24. 41
25. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
26. Tocantins
27. Blood vs. Water
28. Edge of Extinction
---29. 43---
30. Island of the Idols
31. Winners at War
32. Game Changers
33. Thailand
34. All-Stars
35. Worlds Apart
36. Samoa
37. Caramoan
38. Cambodia
39. Cook Islands
40. One World
41. Millennials vs. Gen X
42. Ghost Island
43. Redemption Island

This season... was not very good but I don't entirely hate it? The cast was lame and the editing and storytelling was lame but I actually think there could've been a half-decent season in there so that makes me less inclined to actually hate and dislike it. There was way too much telling versus showing so that made the whole thing feel low stakes, but I only actively disliked the season for a few episodes in the mid-merge? I was able to get through the premerge perfectly fine and the endgame was actually somewhat good so I'll generously rank this a lower yellow. It's not really worth the price of admission and I won't be clamoring to rewatch this anytime soon, but I just can't find myself to actually hate it for some reason?

[Legrand]

Currently on a massive chronological (re)watch so I'll just dump it here for now:

1) Vanuatu
2) Marquesas
3) South Pacific
4) Gabon
5) Guatemala
6) Nicaragua
7) Panama
8) Borneo
9) Kaôh Rōng
10) Worlds Apart
11) Palau
12) Africa
13) Philippines
14) The Australian Outback
15) Samoa
16) Caramoan
17) Cagayan
18) China
19) Thailand
20) One World
21) Cook Islands

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Marquesas
5. Heroes vs. Villains
6. San Juan del Sur
7. Panama
8. Micronesia
9. Gabon
10. Africa
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. China
14. Cagayan
15. 42
16. David vs. Goliath
17. Philippines
18. Nicaragua
19. The Australian Outback
20. Guatemala
21. Palau
22. South Pacific
23. Fiji
---24. 44---
25. 41
26. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
27. Tocantins
28. Blood vs. Water
29. Edge of Extinction
30. 43
31. Island of the Idols
32. Winners at War
33. Game Changers
34. Thailand
35. All-Stars
36. Worlds Apart
37. Samoa
38. Caramoan
39. Cambodia
40. Cook Islands
41. One World
42. Millennials vs. Gen X
43. Ghost Island
44. Redemption Island

I don't know y'all, Survivor: Numbers is just so samey at this point. In some regards I think this season was much closer in quality to 42 than it is to 41/43, but then I do the rankings and I don't see how I can justify ranking this season any higher? Like, seasons like Fiji and South Pacific certainly have their flaws but they at least fundamentally feel like Survivor, which is saying A LOT since one of those seasons has Redemption Island in it. I thought the editing was a little uneven in terms of what was emphasized, the cast really only had a few studs, and everyone was a little too lovey-dovey for my liking. The game just feels so low stakes these days, it's kinda sad. There's definitely New Era fatigue so I can't see this season moving over time but I don't even know if it's going to move up or down.

[Macie Lightfoot]

1. Borneo
2. Amazon
3. Pearl Islands
4. Marquesas
5. Heroes vs. Villains
6. San Juan del Sur
7. Panama
8. Micronesia
9. Gabon
10. Africa
11. Kaoh Rong
12. Vanuatu
13. China
14. Cagayan
15. 42
16. David vs. Goliath
17. Philippines
18. Nicaragua
19. The Australian Outback
---20. 45---
21. Guatemala
22. Palau
23. South Pacific
24. Fiji
25. 41
26. Heroes v. Healers v. Hustlers
27. Tocantins
28. Blood vs. Water
29. Edge of Extinction
30. 44
31. 43
32. Island of the Idols
33. Winners at War
34. Game Changers
35. Thailand
36. All-Stars
37. Worlds Apart
38. Samoa
39. Caramoan
40. Cambodia
41. Cook Islands
42. One World
43. Millennials vs. Gen X
44. Ghost Island
45. Redemption Island

I have a hard time placing this season! It was definitely one of the better seasons of the New Era but I think it's still flawed and VERY overrated by the fanbase. 90 minute episodes are entirely not necessary, the season peaked very early, and the editing wasn't really THAT even and was kind of a mess from a narrative standpoint? That being said, the season still had quite a few good characters and exceeded my expectations significantly, so even though I probably wouldn't ever want to rewatch this based on runtime alone I enjoyed it while it aired?

Also, I dropped 44 about 5 spots because it really doesn't age well at all :)