Ann Maguire's Boy Killer Planned More Murders

[arista]

He even took the Deadly Kitchen Knife to school
he has pleaded Guilty
Evil Boy

Due for sentence today


http://news.sky.com/story/1365825/ann-maguires-killer-planned-more-murders

[arista]

Given Min of 20 years Prison

he is aged 16, now

[Nedusa]

Given Min of 20 years Prison

he is aged 16.

As he cold bloodedly plotted, fantasised and then carried out the brutal murder of this older Teacher, I was wondering perhaps that he should be given a whole life tariff and never released from prison.

Does anyone think he should be let out to resume his murderous actions on another innocent person ?




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[rubymoo]

It's absolutely shocking that he did this......am i alone in thinking that certain games desensitizes some children/young adults, the games i'm talking about are World at War and Call of Duty type games along with Assassins Creed and Grand Theft Auto to name but a few.

I don't know if this boy played these games but i'm assuming he did as most youngsters do now days, i just wonder if these games do more harm than good, on young impressionable young minds.

And i do think he should get life.

[Ninastar]

20 years is hardly anything... crazy

hope he rots.

[arista]

It's absolutely shocking that he did this......am i alone in thinking that certain games desensitizes some children/young adults, the games i'm talking about are World at War and Call of Duty type games along with Assassins Creed and Grand Theft Auto to name but a few.

I don't know if this boy played these games but i'm assuming he did as most youngsters do now days, i just wonder if these games do more harm than good, on young impressionable young minds.

And i do think he should get life.


GTA5 is for 18 and over
he was 15 at the time of his Evil Murder

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/11/3/346928/default/v4/williamcornick-1-762x428.jpg

Now he is 16
the judge has said his photo can go public,
his name is Will Cornick

http://news.sky.com/story/1366062/ann-maguires-killer-named-as-will-cornick

[rubymoo]

GTA5 is for 18 and over
he was 15 at the time of his Evil Murder

I bet he still played 18 games, even though he was only 15 at the time he murdered.

[arista]

I bet he still played 18 games, even though he was only 15 at the time he murdered.



Could be
but I am sure is something else, as well
that made him so Evil

[Creggle]

He should be executed, simple as that.

[Liam-]

It's absolutely shocking that he did this......am i alone in thinking that certain games desensitizes some children/young adults, the games i'm talking about are World at War and Call of Duty type games along with Assassins Creed and Grand Theft Auto to name but a few.

I don't know if this boy played these games but i'm assuming he did as most youngsters do now days, i just wonder if these games do more harm than good, on young impressionable young minds.

And i do think he should get life.

I really don't think video games are the reason for his disturbing psychotic break.

[arista]

He should be executed, simple as that.



He may have been
many years back

[MTVN]

Sounds like a legit psychopath, would be surprised if they ever consider it safe to release him

[the truth]

most things seem to desentitize certain kids....violent games, violent movies, violent tv shows, hysterical news, endless wars and lying politicians may desentitize their belief system.....kids are in a pressure period with growing up and developing and all the peer pressure that entails......they tend to be particularly sensitive and overly worried about most things , especially their image etc this kid seemed to feel massive hatred towards this teacher. why is manifested itself to such hate and how and why you prevent such a tragedy again is anyones guess? I fail to see how we can adequately protect kids and teachers against such a threat, how to see it coming and how t counteract it?

[Kyle]

It's absolutely shocking that he did this......am i alone in thinking that certain games desensitizes some children/young adults, the games i'm talking about are World at War and Call of Duty type games along with Assassins Creed and Grand Theft Auto to name but a few.

I don't know if this boy played these games but i'm assuming he did as most youngsters do now days, i just wonder if these games do more harm than good, on young impressionable young minds.

And i do think he should get life.

And just how many of these youngsters turn into psychopathic murderers?

[the truth]

And just how many of these youngsters turn into psychopathic murderers? not many, but more than there used to be and 1 is too many.......not only do all these violent games, movies, tv shows, hysterical news stories, broken homes, but we also have millions on drugs from meow meow to blow to crack to heroin and who knows what else.....and yet the liberals will have us believe tolerance and treatment are the way.....I say we need a middle ground and never ever forget drugs also desentitize people and ultimately create more crime and the need for more crime to pay for the addiction....the numbers of innocent victims of drug addicts must run to millions, why isn't russel brand speaking for them, the innocent silent peace seeking majority

[Liam-]

What has people on drugs got to do with this story? :unsure:

[Kyle]

not many, but more than there used to be and 1 is too many.......not only do all these violent games, movies, tv shows, hysterical news stories, broken homes, but we also have millions on drugs from meow meow to blow to crack to heroin and who knows what else.....and yet the liberals will have us believe tolerance and treatment are the way.....I say we need a middle ground and never ever forget drugs also desentitize people and ultimately create more crime and the need for more crime to pay for the addiction....the numbers of innocent victims of drug addicts must run to millions, why isn't russel brand speaking for them, the innocent silent peace seeking majority

There is not more, murder and violent crime is declining.

[the truth]

What has people on drugs got to do with this story? :unsure:

drugs affect everyone and everything in british society. perhaps influential memebers of his friends or family is on them, perhaps the people who made his violent games were on them, who knows, its all part of the cultural and moral collapse of society

[arista]

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[Liam-]

drugs affect everyone and everything in british society. perhaps influential memebers of his friends or family is on them, perhaps the people who made his violent games were on them, who knows, its all part of the cultural and moral collapse of society

Oh so even more conjecture then.. Maybe the kid is just a psychotic sociopath with sever mental issues, not all murders come from broken families or drug fueled families and the concept that video games makes people violent is just ridiculous.

[Creggle]

He stabbed the woman in the back, what a total coward. Though you can tell looking at him he's a total wimp, when he get's released I'll put money on his next victim being female. Kind of messed up that we will give him the opportunity to kill again, though.

[Northern Monkey]

It's absolutely shocking that he did this......am i alone in thinking that certain games desensitizes some children/young adults, the games i'm talking about are World at War and Call of Duty type games along with Assassins Creed and Grand Theft Auto to name but a few.

I don't know if this boy played these games but i'm assuming he did as most youngsters do now days, i just wonder if these games do more harm than good, on young impressionable young minds.

And i do think he should get life.

NO!
I hate when people use video games as an excuse for crimes like this.
Most kids play them and DON'T go out and murder someone.This is just taking responsibility away from lunatics who murder people.Games are not an excuse to kill.This kid obviously had mental issues from what i've heard about this story,He apparently had a deep vendetta against this lady.

[the truth]

why the hell weren't these threats looked at and taken more seriously?
or do the cops only pay attention to twitter because the media controls their agenda?

[Tom4784]

It's absolutely shocking that he did this......am i alone in thinking that certain games desensitizes some children/young adults, the games i'm talking about are World at War and Call of Duty type games along with Assassins Creed and Grand Theft Auto to name but a few.

I don't know if this boy played these games but i'm assuming he did as most youngsters do now days, i just wonder if these games do more harm than good, on young impressionable young minds.

And i do think he should get life.

No, blaming games, films or anything else other than the killer just gives them a scapegoat. Games do not create killers, anything can trigger a killer to act even a lack of a trigger can be a trigger in itself. Blaming things like games for this is just a waste of everyone's times.

Millions of people play GTA, Assassin's Creed and COD so why don't we have millions of killers about if they have an adverse effect? Blaming games is just a way of absolving the killers of blame.

[the truth]

No, blaming games, films or anything else other than the killer just gives them a scapegoat. Games do not create killers, anything can trigger a killer to act even a lack of a trigger can be a trigger in itself. Blaming things like games for this is just a waste of everyone's times.

Millions of people play GTA, Assassin's Creed and COD so why don't we have millions of killers about if they have an adverse effect? Blaming games is just a way of absolving the killers of blame.

youre neother wholly right nor wholly wrong, violence is prevalent throughout our society and this clearly takes effect on millions to varying degrees. censorship is there for a reason, kids especially are much more impressionable. there have been copycat killings galore from movies and video games. the killers were all deranged and who knows they may have committed murders anyway. but we can only try our best to move society in a better more productive more creative peaceful way forward

[rubymoo]

I'm not blaming games per say, i have had 2 nephews who played these games and haven't turned out murderous psychopaths.

Research has been done (scientifically) and it has shown that video games/horror movies etc desensitize young people, they have been shown to show less empathy, and are more aggressive after playing/watching games/films.

Yes i agree he already had mental health issues and may have been pre disposed to psychotic behaviour, but throw into the mix violent games and horrors and it may have been what pushed him over the edge, he had a deep seated hatred of his teacher and other teachers in the school, he felt no remorse, no empathy, and yet family and friends have said he was just a normal kid, it just doesn't add up, we don't know enough about this kid yet to know what his background was like.

Again i agree with truth that censorship is there for a reason, my nephews were playing 18 games and watching 18 films at 13, my teenagers always watch age appropriate content.

Give it 10 years and research will show that games/horrors negatively influence some youngsters (i'm talking underage gaming and movie watching).

Why else are some youngsters being radicalised, it's a form of brainwashing, i know there are many forum members, who like my nephews have played games and watched movies whilst being underage and are like my nephews...fine, but there are some youngsters that mentally can't cope and for this reason censorship is there for a reason.

You've only got to look at the Columbine High School massacre and the Sandy Hook killer to see the damage games can do, and again this is not a sweeping statement, it's fact that they was motivated by his violent games, but again they possibly had underlying mental health issues.

[rubymoo]

Real life violence out of virtual worlds

Scary game monsterApril 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and a teacher in the Columbine High School massacre. The two were allegedly obsessed with the video game Doom.

1 April 2000: 16-year-old Spanish teenager José Rabadán Pardo murdered his father, his mother and his sister as an "avenging mission" given to him by the main character of the video game Final Fantasy.

20 November 2001: 21-year-old American Shawn Woolley committed suicide after what his mother claimed was an addiction to EverQuest.

February 2003: 16-year-old American Dustin Lynch was charged with aggravated murder and used an insanity defense that he was "obsessed" with Grand Theft Auto III.

7 June, 2003: 18-year-old American Devin Moore shot and killed two policemen, inspired by the video game Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.

25 June, 2003: Two American step brothers, Joshua and William Buckner, aged 14 and 16, used a rifle to fire at vehicles on a highway, killing a 45-year-old man and wounding a 19-year-old woman. The two shooters told investigators they had been inspired by Grand Theft Auto III.

27 February, 2004: 17-year-old Warren Leblanc stabbed a 14-year-old child in the park. Leblanc was reportedly obsessed with Manhunt.

October 2004: A 41-year-old Chinese man named Qiu Chengwei stabbed 26-year-old Zhu Caoyuan to death over a dispute regarding the sale of a virtual weapon the two had jointly won in the game The Legend of Mir 3.

27 December, 2004: 13-year-old Xiao Yi committed suicide by jumping from a twenty-four story building in Tianjin, China. According to his suicide notes, he hoped to be "reunited" with his fellow Warcraft III gamers in the afterlife. Prior to his death, he had spent 36 consecutive hours playing the video game.

August 2005: 28-year-old South Korean Lee Seung Seop died after playing StarCraft for 50 hours straight.

Tombstone saying Game OverJune 2007: 22-year-old Alejandro Garcia from Texas shot and killed his cousin after arguing over whose turn it was to play the game "Scarface: The World Is Yours". He pleaded guilty for murder at his trial on April 6, 2011, and will serve 15 to 30 years in prison.

September 2007: A Chinese man in Guangzhou, China, died after playing Internet video games for three consecutive days at an Internet cafe.

September 2007: In Ohio, 16-year-old Daniel Petric snuck out of the window of his room to buy the game Halo 3 against the orders of his father. His parents eventually banned him from the game after he spent up to 18 hours a day with it, and secured it in a lockbox in a closet, where the father also kept a 9mm handgun. In October 2007, Daniel used his father's key to open the lockbox and remove the gun and the game. He then entered the living room of his house and shot both of them in the head, killing his mother and wounding his father. Petric was sentenced to life in prison without parole. The judge said, "I firmly believe that Daniel Petric had no idea at the time he hatched this plot that if he killed his parents they would be dead forever".

December 2007: 17-year-old Lamar Roberts and 16-year-old Heather Trujillo were accused of beating a 7-year-old girl to death. They are said to have been imitating the moves taken from the game "Mortal Kombat".

December 2007: A Russian man was beaten to death. The man was killed when his rival in a video game challenged him to a real-life fight.

June 2008: Four teens obsessed with Grand Theft Auto IV went on a crime spree. They robbed a man, knocking his teeth out, stopped a woman and stole her car and her cigarettes.

2 August, 2008: Polwat Chinno, a 19-year-old Thai teenager, stabbed a Bangkok taxi driver to death during an attempt to steal the driver's cab in order to obtain money to buy a copy of Grand Theft Auto IV.

January 2010: 9-year-old Anthony Maldonado was stabbed by relative Alejandro Morales after an argument regarding Maldonado's recently purchased copy of Tony Hawk: Ride and PlayStation 3 console.

January 2010: Gary Alcock punched, slapped and pinched his partner's 15-month-old daughter in the 3 weeks leading up to her death before he delivered a fatal blow to the stomach, which tore her internal organs, because she interrupted him from playing his Xbox.

May 2010: French gamer Julien Barreaux located and stabbed a fellow player who had stabbed Barreaux in the game Counter-Strike.

October 2010: 22-year old Florida mother Alexandra Tobias killed her baby because he would not stop crying while she was playing FarmVille.

Child playing video games29 November, 2010: In South Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 16-year-old Kendall Anderson bludgeoned his mother to death in her sleep with a claw hammer after she took away his PlayStation.

9 April, 2011: 24-year-old Tristan van der Vlis opened fire in a shopping mall, releasing more than a hundred bullets with a semi-automatic rifle and a handgun, killing 6 people and wounding 17 others, then killed himself. He was inspired by a video game known as Airport Massacre, where the player can choose (or not choose) to partake in the killing of a large group of innocent people inside an airport terminal.

I hope this gives you an insight into how easy it is to reach a point where reality and the virtual world are mixed in such a way that it clutters the thinking. Although I do not believe every child who plays video games becomes a violent criminal, I do believe that it changes attitude and adds fuel to our stressful life and that instead of finding ways to calm and sorting out problems, both children and grownups are learning to increase their heart rate and numb themselves to problems and difficulties.

[arista]

This Evil Boy
was Clever
but got into trouble with that Teacher
he was going to Kill himself or Her.

He knew what he was doing
even planned it.


15 year olds get depressed
all the time
but he took it in a Very Evil Way.

Happy to go to Prison
maybe while in there
part 2 - he tops himself.


He crossed the Line
and is still Angry at that Murdered Teacher

[Liam-]

well done, you found some cases which relate to games in someway.. but i hate to break it to you, in a lot of the cases you posted, the people involved obviously had underlying issues that lead them to their crime or action, none of them went out and did this just because of playing a game for a few days, that's a ridiculous notion.

For people to have the idea to go out and kill people, based off of something they have seen in a game, they must already posses some sort of idiocy in their brain to put plans like that into action.. kids with no mental health issues or, sociopaths tendencies, don't play a video game and then suddenly become psychotic killers, for that to happen there has to be some issue within themselves in the first place, yes, the video games might somehow enhance their imagination, but to lay blame on the hands of video games or movies or anything other than the person committing the act, is in my eyes, only taking the blame from the perpetrators hands and trying to throw it onto someone or something else, when in fact, the only person to blame for the majority of the crimes you have listed above, is the person committing the crime themselves.

[rubymoo]

well done, you found some cases which relate to games in someway.. but i hate to break it to you, in a lot of the cases you posted, the people involved obviously had underlying issues that lead them to their crime or action, none of them went out and did this just because of playing a game for a few days, that's a ridiculous notion.

For people to have the idea to go out and kill people, based off of something they have seen in a game, they must already posses some sort idiocy in their brain to put plans like that into action.. kids with no mental health issues or, sociopaths tendencies, don't play a video game and then suddenly become psychotic killers, for that to happen there has to be some issue within themselves in the first place, yes, the video games might somehow enhance their imagination, but to lay blame on the hands of video games or movies or anything other than the person committing the act, is in my eyes, only taking the blame from the perpetrators hands and trying to throw it onto someone or something else, when in fact, the only person to blame for the majority of the crimes you have listed above, is the person committing the crime themselves.

I have already stated in my posts that the perpetrators possibly have underlying mental health issues, i have also stated that my 2 nephews who are both 18 have played these games and are not psychotic murderers, i never said that all kids became murderers nor did i say they would all go on to be murderers because of these games, please re read my posts to try to understand what i am saying.

Ask yourself would the 8 year old who shot his nan whilst playing GFA, still have shot her if he didn't have access/played the game?

I'm not generalizing, i'm saying there are cases that are directly linked to game playing, and that's a fact.

[Kazanne]

I have already stated in my posts that the perpetrators possibly have underlying mental health issues, i have also stated that my 2 nephews who are both 18 have played these games and are not psychotic murderers, i never said that all kids became murderers nor did i say they would all go on to be murderers because of these games, please re read my posts to try to understand what i am saying.

Ask yourself would the 8 year old who shot his nan whilst playing GFA, still have shot her if he didn't have access/played the game?

I'm not generalizing, i'm saying there are cases that are directly linked to game playing, and that's a fact.

:clap1:I agree Ruby,to say kids are not influenced by what they see on TV games etc is just silly,I've lost count of the times my kids have role played things they have seen and played like Ninja Turtles ,Power Rangers etc,SOME kids will always take things a step further .

[arista]

"Ask yourself would the 8 year old who shot his nan whilst playing GTA, still have shot her if he didn't have access/played the game?"

But she needed to be Shot
for letting a miner play a Adult game

Life In The City

[Vanessa]

This is terrible. I have no idea what pushes someone to kill. Getting bullied would probably push someone over the edge. Maybe he was having problems at school?

[rubymoo]

He had numerous images of knives on his mobile phone. He also had a keen interest in ultra-violent video games, including Dark Souls II, in which players hack zombies to pieces.
Players devour the souls of their fallen enemies to the sound of cries of agony. Disturbing images include a character made up of hundreds of human corpses. It was voted one of the ten Most Violent Video Games of 2014.

Will Cornick was obsessed with ultra violent games, he was 15 when he commited the murder, how long had he been playing these games? We live in a twisted stupid society where parents allow children to play ultra violent games, yet Tom and Jerry are censored for being too violent.......go figure!

[Vanessa]

He had numerous images of knives on his mobile phone. He also had a keen interest in ultra-violent video games, including Dark Souls II, in which players hack zombies to pieces.
Players devour the souls of their fallen enemies to the sound of cries of agony. Disturbing images include a character made up of hundreds of human corpses. It was voted one of the ten Most Violent Video Games of 2014.

Will Cornick was obsessed with ultra violent games, he was 15 when he commited the murder, how long had he been playing these games? We live in a twisted stupid society where parents allow children to play ultra violent games, yet Tom and Jerry are censored for being too violent.......go figure!

But most kids who play these games are not murderers. There must be something more to it.

[Liam-]

There is something more to it, he's a psychopath, his interview with the psychologist proves that.. He had an irrational hatred for the teacher, there were no signs of bullying, his parents are still together so he isn't from a broken home either.

[Vanessa]

There is something more to it, he's a psychopath, his interview with the psychologist proves that.. He had an irrational hatred for the teacher, there were no signs of bullying, his parents are still together so he isn't from a broken home either.

This makes sense. I'm surprised his parents did not notice he needed help.

[rubymoo]

But most kids who play these games are not murderers. There must be something more to it.

I agree Vanessa, i have 2 nephews who play Call of Duty games, and they are fine, but the rating is there for parents to plainly see that these are adult games.

But many parents bow to peer pressure and allow their children to play these games, there will be many more killings before people start to understand the devastating effect these games can have on some children/people.

[rubymoo]

There is something more to it, he's a psychopath, his interview with the psychologist proves that.. He had an irrational hatred for the teacher, there were no signs of bullying, his parents are still together so he isn't from a broken home either.

His mother Michelle, 48, is a human resources manager, who was said to be devoted to the teenager and his 19-year-old brother Zack, who is in a rock band. Their father Ian is a 50-year-old council executive who lives with his partner and their young child in an upmarket village near Leeds.
Although his parents divorced a decade ago, Cornick seemed to enjoy a happy home life.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2819529/Why-killer-school-Boy-15-stabbed-teacher-death-classroom-posted-repeated-Facebook-threats-murder-her.html#ixzz3I5iz3rbj
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He's from a broken home, found the above in the Daily Mail.

[Tom4784]

Nah, I think it's dumb and wrong to blame games for this kind of thing, you're absolving the killer of blame and that's wrong. A game did not make this kid murder his teacher, this kid chose to do so of his own accord. At best games can be a trigger and like I said before anything can be a trigger so blaming triggers for someone's actions is completely pointless.

As for your point about the eight year old, the issue with that story is not that he played GTA but that he had easy access to a gun. Again the GTA angle is just a way for the media to sensationalise the story and you are lapping it up. All the killers you listed were just using games as an excuse, and like with that GTA story you are eating it up.

These killers would have killed with or without games being in the equation. There's always been murderers, it's not something new that came about with the release of the first GTA game. Blaming games and any form of media just gives these killers an excuse. 'Oh it's not his fault, it's GTA's/Catcher in the Rye's/Manhunt's/Dexter's/The Dark Knight's fault for influencing him'.

[Vanessa]

Nah, I think it's dumb and wrong to blame games for this kind of thing, you're absolving the killer of blame and that's wrong. A game did not make this kid murder his teacher, this kid chose to do so of his own accord. At best games can be a trigger and like I said before anything can be a trigger so blaming triggers for someone's actions is completely pointless.

As your your point about the eight year old, the issue with that story is not that he played GTA but that he had easy access to a gun. Again the GTA angle is just a way for the media to sensationalise the story and you are lapping it up. All the killers you listed were just using games as an excuse, and like with that GTA story you are eating it up.

These killers would have killed with or without games being in the equation. There's always been murderers, it's not something new that came about with the release of the first GTA game. Blaming games and any form of media just gives these killers an excuse. 'Oh it's not his fault, it's GTA's/Catcher in the Rye's/Manhunt's/Dexter's/The Dark Knight's fault for influencing him'.

I agree. Sad, but true. :(

[Liam-]

Oh, i read somewhere that his parents are still together :shrug:

But still.. he has many severe issues and the longer he's inside for, the better.

[rubymoo]

Oh, i read somewhere that his parents are still together :shrug:

But still.. he has many severe issues and the longer he's inside for, the better.

I agree with this.:wavey:

(Off to work now, catch you all later!)

[Vanessa]

Oh, i read somewhere that his parents are still together :shrug:

But still.. he has many severe issues and the longer he's inside for, the better.

Sounds like he may have some mental problems to me.

[Liam-]

Sounds like he may have some mental problems to me.

It's quite clear that he has mental problems, no normal kid would mercilessly stab a teacher in front of an entire class of people and then just go and sit back down as if nothing had happened.. I personally think that he should be going to an institute to serve 20 years rather than a prison.

[Vanessa]

It's quite clear that he has mental problems, no normal kid would mercilessly stab a teacher in front of an entire class of people and then just go and sit back down as if nothing had happened.. I personally think that he should be going to an institute to serve 20 years rather than a prison.

I agree with this. Not sure he will get the help he needs in prison.

[Kyle]

I'm only young so maybe someone older can enlighten me but before video games what were people blaming for psychopathic murderers?

Horror movies?

[Tom4784]

I do hope he gets some help, he's going to be released some day so I'd rather him be a productive member of society then a repeat offender...

[Liam-]

I agree with this. Not sure he will get the help he needs in prison.

100% he won't get the help he needs in prison.. If the courts feel that 20 years is a sufficient enough time for him to serve and then to released back into society, then they should take every measure to assure that the kid is given help to control his issues and suppress his anger.

If they sent him to an institution he would still be serving out his 20 years, but at the same time he'd be getting the help he needs to make sure he's rehabilitated before being thrown back out into the big bad world, rather than just keeping him locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day.. which, if his mental health is as fragile as we're lead to believe, will probably make him deteriorate into a worse state.

[Tom4784]

I'm only young so maybe someone older can enlighten me but before video games what were people blaming for psychopathic murderers?

Horror movies?

Books, Films, TV Shows.

It's not a successful form of media/entertainment unless it's been blamed for murders. It just takes away focus from the real issues, identifying individuals that are at risk and preventing them from triggering.

[Niamh.]

I'm only young so maybe someone older can enlighten me but before video games what were people blaming for psychopathic murderers?

Horror movies?

I remember Chucky being blamed for something at one point :think:

[Vicky.]

I have just bought gavs son gta5 for xmas. Best sleep with one eye open from now on because that game is certain to turn him into a cold blooded psycho killer :o

[Kyle]

I have just bought gavs son gta5 for xmas. Best sleep with one eye open from now on because that game is certain to turn him into a cold blooded psycho killer :o

I'd keep him away from your teddies too.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ZrFIUgSxiH4/mqdefault.jpg

[arista]

This is terrible. I have no idea what pushes someone to kill. Getting bullied would probably push someone over the edge. Maybe he was having problems at school?



No he was Very Clever
that teacher crossed him
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/11/3/346928/default/v4/williamcornick-1-762x428.jpg

He Planned it and did the Evil stabbing in her Back first
so she could not stop him

[arista]

I remember Chucky being blamed for something at one point :think:


I love the Chucky Movies
so much work went into them

[Niamh.]

I love the Chucky Movies
so much work went into them

They were great at the time, I think they might just look funny now though, I should have a re watch sometime :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Nah, I think it's dumb and wrong to blame games for this kind of thing, you're absolving the killer of blame and that's wrong. A game did not make this kid murder his teacher, this kid chose to do so of his own accord. At best games can be a trigger and like I said before anything can be a trigger so blaming triggers for someone's actions is completely pointless.

As for your point about the eight year old, the issue with that story is not that he played GTA but that he had easy access to a gun. Again the GTA angle is just a way for the media to sensationalise the story and you are lapping it up. All the killers you listed were just using games as an excuse, and like with that GTA story you are eating it up.

These killers would have killed with or without games being in the equation. There's always been murderers, it's not something new that came about with the release of the first GTA game. Blaming games and any form of media just gives these killers an excuse. 'Oh it's not his fault, it's GTA's/Catcher in the Rye's/Manhunt's/Dexter's/The Dark Knight's fault for influencing him'.
:clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

I have just bought gavs son gta5 for xmas. Best sleep with one eye open from now on because that game is certain to turn him into a cold blooded psycho killer :o

My 3 year old has watched me play that game loads,He's not gone out and robbed any cars or beaten up any cops so far:joker:

[Kyle]

My 3 year old has watched me play that game loads,He's not gone out and robbed any cars or beaten up any cops so far:joker:

Don't be stupid....




















...he's too young to handle an M4. Give him a few years yet :wink:

[rubymoo]

My 3 year old has watched me play that game loads,He's not gone out and robbed any cars or beaten up any cops so far:joker:

Aged 3:shocked:

Very impressionable age, it's the age where you should be teaching, morals, which GTA has none of......good luck with him when he's a teen, i only hope you remember your post when the **** hits the fan.

[Liam-]

Aged 3:shocked:

Very impressionable age, it's the age where you should be teaching, morals, which GTA has none of......good luck with him when he's a teen, i only hope you remember your post when the **** hits the fan.

Got to love people who look down on people for their parenting skills.

You have just tainted your argument in here completely, you are now saying that the proverbial will hit the fan, because a child sees someone playing a game.. that goes against everything you have said in here so far and the fact that you're questioning someone's parenting.. well, that's just uncalled for.

[Kizzy]

I remember Chucky being blamed for something at one point :think:

It was the bulger case, and I am a believer in desensitisation I know many aren't.

[Niamh.]

It was the bulger case, and I am a believer in desensitisation I know many aren't.

Oh was it? :/

I'm not sure where I stand on this one tbh

[rubymoo]

Got to love people who look down on people for their parenting skills.

You have just tainted your argument in here completely, you are now saying that the proverbial will hit the fan, because a child sees someone playing a game.. that goes against everything you have said in here so far and the fact that you're questioning someone's parenting.. well, that's just uncalled for.

Nobody knows the future, it's morally wrong to let a child view images of violence like that in GTA, when as parents we should be preserving their childhood and the innocence that goes with childhood, i've had a bad childhood and would never look down on a parents skills, but you are setting yourself up for a nightmare by not putting in boundaries, children need good positive role models.

FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.

[Tom4784]

It was the bulger case, and I am a believer in desensitisation I know many aren't.

Murder is as old as humanity, incidents like this have always happened and they'll continue to happen through no fault of games or the media.

Desensitisation only serves to create scapegoats for killers. You could ban every potential trigger for killers in the world and they'll still eventually kill. People like the boy in this story are ticking timebombs, instead of blaming irrelevant things like games we should focus on prevention and raising awareness of the signs of a potential killer as no psychopath ever just snaps, there are always signs people just need to be more aware of them and take them seriously.

[Liam-]

Nobody knows the future, it's morally wrong to let a child view images of violence like that in GTA, when as parents we should be preserving their childhood and the innocence that goes with childhood, i've had a bad childhood and would never look down on a parents skills, but you are setting yourself up for a nightmare by not putting in boundaries, children need good positive role models.

FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.

That sentence right there, is looking down on other peoples parenting skills though..

And quite frankly, i don't care what you're tired of, this is a forum for the members to discuss stories and their opinions, if you don't like being disagreed with by 'know it all teenagers' then don't put your opinions out there for them to be disagreed with.

You know nothing about me, or my childhood, so your attitude towards young people that, that sentence shows, is frankly insulting, if a younger person said something like that about the older members here, there'd be outrage and complains flying everywhere.

[rubymoo]

That sentence right there, is looking down on other peoples parenting skills though..

And quite frankly, i don't care what you're tired of, this is a forum for the members to discuss stories and their opinions, if you don't like being disagreed with by 'know it all teenagers' then don't pt your opinions out there for them to be disagreed with.

You know nothing about me, or my childhood, so your attitude towards young people that, that sentence shows, is frankly insulting.

Yes it's for members to discuss, you are condescending and patronizing in your responses to my posts, i don't mind being disagreed with, but you repeatedly try to shoot me down, that's not a discussion, i'm just stating common sense.

[Tom4784]

Nobody knows the future, it's morally wrong to let a child view images of violence like that in GTA, when as parents we should be preserving their childhood and the innocence that goes with childhood, i've had a bad childhood and would never look down on a parents skills, but you are setting yourself up for a nightmare by not putting in boundaries, children need good positive role models.

FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.

You've just completely lost any hope of winning this debate with that response alone.

Kids playing violent games isn't an issue, everyone I knew growing up played Mortal Kombat, Duke Nukem, GTA and all sorts and it hasn't affected me or (as far as I know) anyone else I know because we all knew it was fiction and wasn't reflective on real life and that's the same for millions of people like me who were allowed to play violent games and such when they were kids. There's something fundamentally wrong with the psychopaths that commit these crimes and whether or not they played Call of Duty has nothing to do with it because they'd still have that psychological damage even if they never touhed a games console.

[Tom4784]

Yes it's for members to discuss, you are condescending and patronizing in your responses to my posts, i don't mind being disagreed with, but you repeatedly try to shoot me down, that's not a discussion, i'm just stating common sense.

'FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.'

Hmm.

[Kyle]

FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.

Never had you pegged as someone that would say something like that.

[Ramsay]

Murder is as old as humanity, incidents like this have always happened and they'll continue to happen through no fault of games or the media.

Desensitisation only serves to create scapegoats for killers. You could ban every potential trigger for killers in the world and they'll still eventually kill. People like the boy in this story are ticking timebombs, instead of blaming irrelevant things like games we should focus on prevention and raising awareness of the signs of a potential killer as no psychopath ever just snaps, there are always signs people just need to be more aware of them and take them seriously.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Kazanne]

I remember Chucky being blamed for something at one point :think:

Chucky was said to be a factor in the James Bulger murder Niamh,the blue paint ,batteries and railway tracks.

[Liam-]

Yes it's for members to discuss, you are condescending and patronizing in your responses to my posts, i don't mind being disagreed with, but you repeatedly try to shoot me down, that's not a discussion, i'm just stating common sense.

When did i once pantronise you? If i wanted to patronise you i would have.

Your views on things are different from others, you're clearly one of those people who wants kids to be wrapped up in cotton wool and shield them from anything that could possibly be offensive.. a 3 year old watching someone play a game, is not going to turn them into a bad kid or a bad teenager, so you telling people what they 'should' be teaching their kids, is a blatant show of looking down at someone else's parenting.

So what if a child sees someone playing a video game made for over 18's? who cares, by the time they're 13, they'd have probably seen much worse on the Tv anyway.

Kids Tv is hardly rainbows and glitter anyway, look at Tom and Jerry or Scooby-doo.. one is violent and the other is potentially scary, should we ban all kids from watching those too?

[Ramsay]

I bet Ted Bundy was level 8 prestige :fist:

[rubymoo]

You've just completely lost any hope of winning this debate with that response alone.

Kids playing violent games isn't an issue, everyone I knew growing up played Mortal Kombat, Duke Nukem, GTA and all sorts and it hasn't affected me or (as far as I know) anyone else I know because we all knew it was fiction and wasn't reflective on real life and that's the same for millions of people like me who were allowed to play violent games and such when they were kids. There's something fundamentally wrong with the psychopaths that commit these crimes and whether or not they played Call of Duty has nothing to do with it because they'd still have that psychological damage even if they never touhed a games console.

There's nothing to win.

An innocent woman was murdered.

Some people are allergic to pennicillin, some.

Some people can't eat gluten, some.

Just maybe some children may be sensitive or have underlying mental health problems/depression that hasn't been picked up and the catalyst for their violent outburst can be related to their violent games, not all children, some.

We don't know as parents what children we have been blessed with, that's why it's important as parents to do our best.

And your argument of violent games were ok for you, they may not be ok for others.

I can eat peanuts, but they could kill my daughter, genetically we are all different, and one rule does not apply for all.

[Niamh.]

Chucky was said to be a factor in the James Bulger murder Niamh,the blue paint ,batteries and railway tracks.

So it's possible that they used the film as inspiration then? Would they not have been little psychopathic murdering ***** had they never seen the film? I think they would personally. What do you think?

[rubymoo]

well done, you found some cases which relate to games in someway.. but i hate to break it to you, in a lot of the cases you posted, the people involved obviously had underlying issues that lead them to their crime or action, none of them went out and did this just because of playing a game for a few days, that's a ridiculous notion.

Patronizing and condescending.



Your views on things are different from others, you're clearly one of those people who wants kids to be wrapped up in cotton wool and shield them from anything that could possibly be offensive.. a 3 year old watching someone play a game, is not going to turn them into a bad kid or a bad teenager, so you telling people what they 'should' be teaching their kids, is a blatant show of looking down at someone else's parenting.

How do you know the outcome? Research shows that violent images desensitize children and as a result they have less empathy with others, as well as anger issues.

So what if a child sees someone playing a video game made for over 18's? who cares, by the time they're 13, they'd have probably seen much worse on the Tv anyway.

I seriously hope not.

Kids Tv is hardly rainbows and glitter anyway, look at Tom and Jerry or Scooby-doo.. one is violent and the other is potentially scary, should we ban all kids from watching those too?

You're kidding right????

[Tom4784]

There's nothing to win.

An innocent woman was murdered.

Some people are allergic to pennicillin, some.

Some people can't eat gluten, some.

Just maybe some children may be sensitive or have underlying mental health problems/depression that hasn't been picked up and the catalyst for their violent outburst can be related to their violent games, not all children, some.

We don't know as parents what children we have been blessed with, that's why it's important as parents to do our best.

And your argument of violent games were ok for you, they may not be ok for others.

I can eat peanuts, but they could kill my daughter, genetically we are all different, and one rule does not apply for all.

Comparing games to allergies is flawed. An allergy cannot kill you if you're not exposed to it yet psychopaths can snap regardless of what triggers they have or have not been exposed to.

Being aware of the signs is a much more effective tool of prevention then blindly blaming games for these crimes. I can't remember the last time there's been an incident like this where there hasn't been signs ahead of time. There's always messages or a change in behavior or something, we just need to raise awareness of it and get people to act (appropriately) when they see troubling signs instead of just ignoring it.

[Tom4784]

So it's possible that they used the film as inspiration then? Would they not have been little psychopathic murdering ***** had they never seen the film? I think they would personally. What do you think?

They'd have done it regardless, they were psychopaths and watching or film or not wouldn't have stopped them from eventually killing someone.

[Liam-]

You're kidding right????

No I'm not kidding.. i don't see what was patronising about that at all :shrug:

[rubymoo]

Comparing games to allergies is flawed. An allergy cannot kill you if you're not exposed to it yet psychopaths can snap regardless of what triggers they have or have not been exposed to.

Being aware of the signs is a much more effective tool of prevention then blindly blaming games for these crimes. I can't remember the last time there's been an incident like this where there hasn't been signs ahead of time. There's always messages or a change in behavior or something, we just need to raise awareness of it and get people to act (appropriately) when they see troubling signs instead of just ignoring it.

Ok i give this as an example, someone i know is schizophrenic, he heard voices telling him to hurt other people, he is now in his 50's, imagine if he'd been a teenager right now, playing violent games, could the games have triggered him to be violent? I think so, but because he was brought up in a different era, he didn't hurt anyone.

[rubymoo]

No I'm not kidding.. i don't see what was patronising about that at all :shrug:

The top line where you say well done....

[Vanessa]

It's weird that his parents didn't puck up on his odd behavior.

[Shaun]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that these hypotheses were all true and absolutely certain :p The thing is they might not have taken 'inspiration' from GTA, or Texas Chainsaw Massacre, or Manhunt, or whatever. They could've just as easily taken it from something else. That's precisely the point, these are people influenced by anything - 99.99999% of those who've watched Pulp Fiction don't go out and go all Oscar Pistorious on their toilet doors.

If there were one thing about the media that I would argue is damaging to those of a vaguely psychopathic or murderous leaning, it's the constant iconising of serial killers, school shooters and the like. There must be something in the infamy, the 100% attention on the perpetrator, the sort of 'antihero' status they receive, that's quite alluring to the darker sides of young people. Little to no attention is given to the victims - especially of school shootings/stabbings. I find that sad.

Is this actually what Maguire's death is being blamed on or just a general discussion on violent media?

[Livia]

I'm not convinced that violent games and films are to blame. I think he killed because he is a murdering, psychotic... I want to say 'animal ' but animals don't behave that way. Something was always going to be a trigger, I'm convinced that if he had never played a game nor seen a film he would still have been a murderer. The vast majority of people can tell right from wrong, good from bad and most importantly, fact from fiction. It takes a special kind of nut case to take what he sees on the screen and think he might re-enact it.

[JoshBB]

He's messed up. Forget 20 years minimum, he needs at least fifty.

[arista]

It's weird that his parents didn't puck up on his odd behavior.


But they would have no idea.
He took the Kitchen Knife's
on the day
showing his mates in school
before he sneaked up behind her
fecking coward

A Kitchen Knife
not the one he used
http://shortorderdad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Knife.jpg

[Niamh.]

I'm not convinced that violent games and films are to blame. I think he killed because he is a murdering, psychotic... I want to say 'animal ' but animals don't behave that way. Something was always going to be a trigger, I'm convinced that if he had never played a game nor seen a film he would still have been a murderer. The vast majority of people can tell right from wrong, good from bad and most importantly, fact from fiction. It takes a special kind of nut case to take what he sees on the screen and think he might re-enact it.

To add to that from what the reports say he'd been obsessed with this teacher for 3 years prior to having killed her. Was he playing these games at 12? And even if he was, being obsessed like he seemed to be with this woman and his hatred for her doesn't really fit in with copying the plot of Grand theft Auto or whichever game he was playing, does it?

[Tom4784]

Ok i give this as an example, someone i know is schizophrenic, he heard voices telling him to hurt other people, he is now in his 50's, imagine if he'd been a teenager right now, playing violent games, could the games have triggered him to be violent? I think so, but because he was brought up in a different era, he didn't hurt anyone.

This post contradicts your last post.

There's nothing to win.

An innocent woman was murdered.

Some people are allergic to pennicillin, some.

Some people can't eat gluten, some.

Just maybe some children may be sensitive or have underlying mental health problems/depression that hasn't been picked up and the catalyst for their violent outburst can be related to their violent games, not all children, some.

We don't know as parents what children we have been blessed with, that's why it's important as parents to do our best.

And your argument of violent games were ok for you, they may not be ok for others.

I can eat peanuts, but they could kill my daughter, genetically we are all different, and one rule does not apply for all.

Why is your schizophrenic friend a good example of your own argument when you've rejected my own example of the hundreds of people I've known to play games for a young age yet have never shown any signs of wanting to murder people?

Also your post really doesn't make sense, do you not think there was psychopaths or murder before 1990 or something? Was Myra Hyndley a time traveler that only killed because she played GTA? Murderers have always existed, psychopaths have always existed, triggers have always existed. Throughout the past century in particular various books, films and games have been banned because they were attributed with causing violent crimes yet banning them never decreased the amount of violent incidents that occurred afterwards. Blaming games (or any other outside 'factor') is a distraction. Blaming games just diverts attention away from the REAL issues at hand.

[Ramsay]

m2Jq7vPxYGg

[Livia]

To add to that from what the reports say he'd been obsessed with this teacher for 3 years prior to having killed her. Was he playing these games at 12? And even if he was, being obsessed like he seemed to be with this woman and his hatred for her doesn't really fit in with copying the plot of Grand theft Auto or whichever game he was playing, does it?

Quite.

There is nothing wrong with this young man that a hypodermic full of bleach wouldn't cure.

[Ammi]

...I totally agree with Dezzy, I don't think it's so much what a child watches or what they play/video games etc..it's how that child will interpret and process... and that would be the same with anything/any information or in how they see others around them...just how they process and interpret behaviour etc...I also agree that 'reading' behaviours early in a child's life and them getting the right help is all important and maybe could 'prevent'..through helping them to understand and help control... but sadly I also know the reality is that in too many cases, these children are badly let down through lack of resources....

[Northern Monkey]

Aged 3:shocked:

Very impressionable age, it's the age where you should be teaching, morals, which GTA has none of......good luck with him when he's a teen, i only hope you remember your post when the **** hits the fan.

I do teach him morals,He knows right from wrong and he knows that anything on the telly is not real.He's a happy kid and interacts with other kids brilliantly,He helps them and shares his toys,sweets or anything he has and is always smiling.He helps us look after his little brother and loves him to bits.He is disciplined when he does anything naughty and knows what is bad.Oh yeah,He watched The Walking Dead once too and thought it was hilarious.

[rubymoo]

I give up.....

I know i'm not alone in thinking the way i do.

Off to make tea.

[Tom4784]

I give up.....

I know i'm not alone in thinking the way i do.

Off to make tea.

-YCN-a0NsNk

[arista]

I give up.....

I know i'm not alone in thinking the way i do.

Off to make tea.

Of Course loads of Folks
are in the wrong
in one go


Off to have a Quality Tea with a kick
Kenya tea

[Kazanne]

So it's possible that they used the film as inspiration then? Would they not have been little psychopathic murdering ***** had they never seen the film? I think they would personally. What do you think?

Yes,I don't fully go with the 'Chucky' excuse in this case Niamh,they set out to kill a child and they did,they may have gotten a few ideas,but I do think it was an easy cop out by some people to blame the film,those little bastards didn't need a film ,they would have done what they did without any influence imo anyway.Those little fekkers were in a league of their own.

[joeysteele]

Yes,I don't fully go with the 'Chucky' excuse in this case Niamh,they set out to kill a child and they did,they may have gotten a few ideas,but I do think it was an easy cop out by some people to blame the film,those little bastards didn't need a film ,they would have done what they did without any influence imo anyway.Those little fekkers were in a league of their own.

Oh I am not going to get started on the vile horrendous murder of young Jamie, bless him.
Those 2 were just rotten, they did things to him that weren't in films,they tortured that poor lad sickeningly.
They were pure evil inside,I doubt anything from outside had that much influence.

As to this murder of this Teacher,I just cannot get my head around that one either.
Just sick, really sick.

[Kizzy]

Murder is as old as humanity, incidents like this have always happened and they'll continue to happen through no fault of games or the media.

Desensitisation only serves to create scapegoats for killers. You could ban every potential trigger for killers in the world and they'll still eventually kill. People like the boy in this story are ticking timebombs, instead of blaming irrelevant things like games we should focus on prevention and raising awareness of the signs of a potential killer as no psychopath ever just snaps, there are always signs people just need to be more aware of them and take them seriously.

I didn't suggest it was the only factor, just one factor.

[Creggle]

Quite.

There is nothing wrong with this young man that a hypodermic full of bleach wouldn't cure.

OMG :lovedup: <3

A woman after my own heart :hehe:

[Ninastar]

i think in some cases, violence and games can seriously affect a child... but what i'm talking about is children who grow up watching gory films and playing violent games from a really young age. Parents who are violent themselves and dont teach their kids that this isn't real... these videos/games whatever are pretend

I dont think the games are to blame, but if they are a big part of the kids childhood and the parents pay no attention and give them no love, it does have an affect. But this is the same whether they let the kids play video games or not...

/tired

[arista]

[Ann Maguire's schoolboy killer Will Cornick receiving love letters in prison from around the world including girls who say they want to marry him

Cornick murdered teacher Mrs Maguire in classroom attack in April
He was jailed earlier this month and told he may never be freed
Despite his horrific crime, some youngsters have praised him online
He is reportedly also getting 'fanmail' sent to his prison cell ]


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/13/1415871806575_wps_20_Picture_shows_the_killer_.jpg


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2832781/Ann-Maguire-s-schoolboy-killer-Cornick-receiving-love-letters-prison.html#ixzz3IxNOOOKi


Girls that want to Marry him
must agree with his Evil Murder



Sign Of The Times

[Livia]

I'm guessing none of the victims he was planning were going to be the kind of people who would have taken his silly kitchen knife off him and shoved it up his skinny arse? What a man... picked on a woman nearing retirement age. Dickless little turd.

And you see all those kids praising him on Facebook and sending him fan mail? Every single one of them needs to be investigated because they're obviously not right in the head.

[arista]

" Every single one of them needs to be investigated because they're obviously not right in the head. "

Yes True

[Nedusa]

This sad deranged youth took away the life of a much loved much respected teacher a woman of integrity with a passion for teaching and helping others (incl this deluded youth).

A much loved woman with a large loving family, she was looking forward to sharing her retirement with her husband and children/grandchildren until this person for whatever deluded belief decided to end her life in such a violent way.

But to now boast about it and receive messages of support for this evil deed is almost beyond belief.

As another poster said earlier all the people who communicate with this piece of **** should themselves be investigated as they surely must also harbour similar evil thoughts.

I truly wonder what the hell has happened to society and in particular the younger generations who now exhibit such evil, callous animalistic behaviour.

We have gone badly wrong somewhere and really need to stand back and reassess the state of our younger people and ask the question, when did it start to go so wrong.



.

[Kizzy]

He was a teenage psychopath, people are going to be talking about him for some time. It doesn't shock me that there are people obsessed with him, every day there are programmes about killers on TV.