USA : Mother 'kills her autistic 6 year old son by chucking over a bridge

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/04/1415110246990_wps_8_Thrown_her_son_off_a_brid.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/04/1415107167130_wps_4_Thrown_her_son_off_a_brid.jpg
OK you found him to much
no need to murder him
let someone else take care of him

http://news.sky.com/story/1366547/mother-says-she-threw-six-year-old-from-bridge

[Amy Jade]

Evil.

[Dollface]

Omg :(

[Ramsay]

A nice wee shotgun to her kneecaps will do nicely

[JoshBB]

****ing bitch. i hope she gets all that's coming to her

[Kazanne]

disgusting excuse for a human being.

[Livia]

How awful... but this woman can't have been in her right mind. She must have been suffering from some kind of mental health issue. I can't believe someone could do that to a child without suffering some kind of breakdown.

[AnnieK]

How awful... but this woman can't have been in her right mind. She must have been suffering from some kind of mental health issue. I can't believe someone could do that to a child without suffering some kind of breakdown.

I agree with this particularly as she phoned the emergency services from the bridge.

It is a heinous thing to do but something in me thinks she must have not have been of her right mind

Poor child

[Livia]

I agree with this particularly as she phoned the emergency services from the bridge.

It is a heinous thing to do but something in me thinks she must have. to been of her right mind

Poor child

And I read her husband also has MS which must have added to the pressure. In the photo the child looks well-dressed, comfortable, clean... not neglected. It's an awful thing to have happened but she must have just snapped. Poor little sod...

[Kazanne]

And I read her husband also has MS which must have added to the pressure. In the photo the child looks well-dressed, comfortable, clean... not neglected. It's an awful thing to have happened but she must have just snapped. Poor little sod...

Having looked at this again and thought about it Livia,I see he is well cared for apparently,he looks happy and she has cared for him for 6 years,and it's a truly terrible thing to do I cant help but think she must have snapped,but how cruel.

[Livia]

Having looked at this again and thought about it Livia,I see he is well cared for apparently,he looks happy and she has cared for him for 6 years,and it's a truly terrible thing to do I cant help but think she must have snapped,but how cruel.

Yeah, it's a truly horrible thing to have happened. I hope it was quick for him.

[Black Dagger]

What an adorable boy :sad:

Nasty bitch, I am never usually blood thirsty but chuck her over one!

[kirklancaster]

It is horrific, but I agree with Livia, Anniek and Kazz that the child looked very healthy, happy, and well cared for, and in light of the other information regarding her husband, I also agree that as terrible as this is, she may deserve our pity.

[Kizzy]

Hmm, mentally afflicted I don't know if I feel as much sympathy for this woman as the psychopathic teenager if I'm honest.
Cases of infanticide have been discussed here before, I don't remember there being such a sympathetic response to this issue.

[Tom4784]

Hmm it seems like a case of the woman sadly snapping under the strain of it all. It's a difficult one, it's hard to imagine someone being capable of that but it's also not easy to condemn her completely as it seems like it was a momentary lapse in sanity bought on by her family's situation.

If only there was more help available to this family, I reckon this could have probably been avoided.

[Heaven = Winner]

Vile. Actually vile.

If she didn't feel like she was able to look after the child anymore, she could've easily put him up for adoption. There is no need whatsoever to kill that poor child.

[Kizzy]

Her family didn't have a situation her partner had MS, a totally manageable condition and her little boy was autistic 1000's are, there's no indication where on the autistic spectrum he was.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

This is like in Melbourne where the dad had an argument with his wife so took their 4 year old daughter and chucked her of the huge west gate bridge.

[Ammi]

Hmm it seems like a case of the woman sadly snapping under the strain of it all. It's a difficult one, it's hard to imagine someone being capable of that but it's also not easy to condemn her completely as it seems like it was a momentary lapse in sanity bought on by her family's situation.

If only there was more help available to this family, I reckon this could have probably been avoided.

..yeah I agree with this, it's hard to comment without knowing more of the story..it is hard to fathom how a mother could ever do something like this to her child but we don't know her mental health leading up to it or anything about her so I would be reluctant to condemn her...an extremely sad and tragic story....

[Mystic Mock]

Whoa what an ugly looking Mother.

Being serious if she felt like that she couldn't look after the child anymore then put him up for adoption, I think that he would've preferred that to being murdered by his Mother.

Also it doesn't matter if she used to care for him well, she still murdered him when there was other options that she could've took, I've got no sympathy for her tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

Whoa what an ugly looking Mother.

Being serious if she felt like that she couldn't look after the child anymore then put him up for adoption, I think that he would've preferred that to being murdered by his Mother.

Also it doesn't matter if she used to care for him well, she still murdered him when there was other options that she could've took, I've got no sympathy for her tbh.

[Ammi]

Whoa what an ugly looking Mother.

Being serious if she felt like that she couldn't look after the child anymore then put him up for adoption, I think that he would've preferred that to being murdered by his Mother.

Also it doesn't matter if she used to care for him well, she still murdered him when there was other options that she could've took, I've got no sympathy for her tbh.

..I do understand what you're saying Mock but that's all rational/logical thought from a healthy mind and that's something she may not have had..my thoughts are that she didn't and sadly, completely lost her coping abilities but it'll be interesting to know more with this story...

[Creggle]

..I do understand what you're saying Mock but that's all rational/logical thought from a healthy mind and that's something she may not have had..my thoughts are that she didn't and sadly, completely lost her coping abilities but it'll be interesting to know more with this story...

My toaster can be a right pain in the backside to get working in the mornings but I don't go and chuck it off a bridge, how can any mental state lead to somebody throwing their defenseless child off of one. I think this is an extreme action regardless of somebodies mental state, I think she's just evil deep down, and this was her enabler.

[Ammi]

My toaster can be a right pain in the backside to get working in the mornings but I don't go and chuck it off a bridge, how can any mental state lead to somebody throwing their defenseless child off of one. I think this is an extreme action regardless of somebodies mental state, I think she's just evil deep down, and this was her enabler.

..possibly but that's something we don't know and of course it's an extreme action, how could it not be..but when we think about things, we think about them with a calm mind and not a mind of chaos and confusion and we have no idea what her mental health was/is..no, it doesn't make this any less horrific or shocking but I would be loathe to condemn her as just being a 'bad person' because I also think that in doing that..that in itself 'enables' for people in real crisis to not get the help that they need...'oh that's just an evil person, we don't need to address whether 'signs' were not identified/whether that person was getting support' etc....anyway, none of us know which is why I'll be interested in knowing more with this story...

[Cherie]

Strange case this, according to the article she started a fundraising FB page just days earlier, maybe she did snap, it's a pretty awful way to kill someone you love though. Similar to the case of the women who killed her 3 children a few months back in the UK, she is not being charged with their murder.

[Kazanne]

My first reaction was what a vile bitch,but with this one I think it's the picture of him looking so happy,clean and healthy,and being the age he was he was,one half of me thinks she should rot in hell,but also what Livia said could have something to do with why,but I do agree,people are crying out for kids,no need to kill him so cruelly and also what Kizzy said about MS and autism being manageable is a factor,she had managed for 6 years, hard to find any sympathy for her, if she felt that bad she should have just thrown herself over.

[bots]

I have no sympathy for her at all, she simply decided to get rid of something that had become an annoyance to her, that's not acceptable no matter the circumstances.

[kirklancaster]

..yeah I agree with this, it's hard to comment without knowing more of the story..it is hard to fathom how a mother could ever do something like this to her child but we don't know her mental health leading up to it or anything about her so I would be reluctant to condemn her...an extremely sad and tragic story....

I agree here Ammi.

It is totally incomprehensible to us how any mother could physically pick up her child and throw him from that bridge, but we are not her and have not walked in her shoes.

In am not condoning it, it is abhorrent, but she must have had a total mental and emotional breakdown, because this one tragic act would appear to 'fly-in-the-face' of all her previous known maternal behaviour concerning her child as far as we know currently.

Someone said that she should have put the child up for adoption if she knew she couldn't cope, but perhaps what was happening to her psychologically was on a subconscious level.

The brain is a billion times more complex than a computer, and is so finely balanced and fragile, that drugs and drink can alter the mind and lead to temporary 'insanity' (most irrational crimes are committed while under the influence of drink especially) so who knows what years of stress can do to a particular type of person; one who ignores it and stoically 'soldiers on', while all the time - on a subconscious level - the cumulative effects of such stress are building, silently eating away at her sanity, until some 'straw that breaks the camel's back' incident causes a totally sudden, devastating psychological melt-down?

Think about your laptop- it has got a virus. Most of us who switch it on one morning to find it 'acting up' even slightly, will run a scan and try to find out what's wrong. Yet there are some who will ignore it and keep using the laptop. The 'problems' may get worse over time, but still that person continues to ignore it and use the laptop. All the time that this machine is functioning, inside its very complex 'brain' the virus is growing, corrupting, until one day, the machine goes totally beserk.

We don't know, but what I do know; assuming that this woman was a previously caring mother, and assuming this was a breakdown, then she will live the rest of her life wracked by inconsolable grief and unbearable guilt.

If she was a callous murdering bitch, then I doubt for one moment whether one gram of remorse will trouble her.

I'll wait and see.

[Livia]

If she was a callous, murdering bitch then I doubt she'd have cared for the child for four years and started a campaign to help him. Nor would she have been bothered with a partner with MS - which contrary to an earlier post, is not a totally manageable condition, but one which means your body slowly deteriorates and you become more immobile and less independent as time goes on. I doubt we're going to hear she was a monster, but that she was mentally ill and under pressure no one on here really understands from reading one article and making up their minds.

[user104658]

The real tragedy here is that help and support just isn't available for so many families in this position. Not from the state, not from communities, not even from extended family in many cases, and people can become completely desperate and just snap. And then, inevitably, extended families, friends and neighbours are "shocked", "horrified", "outraged" that something like this could happen... but you can bet your life than when he was alive and when she was probably quite obviously in need of help, none of them wanted anything to do with "the weird kid" who was "a lot of work".

[Cherie]

The real tragedy here is that help and support just isn't available for so many families in this position. Not from the state, not from communities, not even from extended family in many cases, and people can become completely desperate and just snap. And then, inevitably, extended families, friends and neighbours are "shocked", "horrified", "outraged" that something like this could happen... but you can bet your life than when he was alive and when she was probably quite obviously in need of help, none of them wanted anything to do with "the weird kid" who was "a lot of work".


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[Redway]

I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.

[arista]

I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.


yes could be

[T*]

Throw her off the bridge, Poor excuse of a human being.

[jackc1806]

Always annoys me when people say they want to kill killers because then you are just as bad and offering the killer a relatively easy way out... How can you take the moral high ground after killing someone yourself? :shrug:

Anyway, obviously a sad and tragic event. The mother is obviously very wrong and what she did was awful and has ended in tragic circumstances. She needs mental help, furthermore the government should be doing more for people who are made to feel this way

[Mystic Mock]

Well people can take the moral high ground because they're not killing innocent people?

[Mystic Mock]

I completely agree with Livia. And the people calling her ugly wouldn't be saying that if she didn't commit such an act so why bring her looks into it?

I'm not excusing her despicable actions by any stretch but I agree she probably had a severe mental illness and didn't actually set out to kill her son like that as if she was just a flat-out evil person... there's most likely a lot more to this story than originally meets the eye, IMO.

I brought her looks into it to try and lighten up the mood, plus I'm just a bitch.:smile:

[Tom4784]

Well people can take the moral high ground because they're not killing innocent people?

A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

[Mystic Mock]

A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

I'm not saying not to punish vigilantes in terms of the law can't be seen to reward any type of murderer.

But anyone trying to claim that vigilantes are morally just as evil as a serial killer is seriously insane as at least vigilantes are thinking from a decent place, normal murderers kill for the most ridiculous of reasons most of the time.

[user104658]

A killer is a killer, the innocence or guilt of the person they've killed is irrelevant and can't be used as a justification to kill them.

I'm not sure I agree that a killer is just a killer, it would depend on the reason, for example if someone was trying to kill me (or even someone else) and the only way I could stop them was to bash their head with a brick... I wouldn't really have any problem in doing so. But that's different to a "revenge kill", I suppose.

That said, if someone killed one of my loved ones, I can't really say that I'm morally above revenge killing, either. Although I wouldn't attempt to take any sort of moral high ground. I just wouldn't care.

[Tom4784]

I'm not sure I agree that a killer is just a killer, it would depend on the reason, for example if someone was trying to kill me (or even someone else) and the only way I could stop them was to bash their head with a brick... I wouldn't really have any problem in doing so. But that's different to a "revenge kill", I suppose.

That said, if someone killed one of my loved ones, I can't really say that I'm morally above revenge killing, either. Although I wouldn't attempt to take any sort of moral high ground. I just wouldn't care.

Self defense or the defense of another is justifiable, revenge killing and it's ilk isn't. I think it's an insult to the victim because it's killing someone in their name. Even if a loved one of mine was killed I'd never think of killing the person who did it because if, I was ever murdered, I would not want someone I love to throw their life away on a selfish need for revenge and I would like to think that other people think like that too.

[Kizzy]

Strange case this, according to the article she started a fundraising FB page just days earlier, maybe she did snap, it's a pretty awful way to kill someone you love though. Similar to the case of the women who killed her 3 children a few months back in the UK, she is not being charged with their murder.

I was looking for this thread as it was similar iirc, but I don't remember the outpouring of sympathy tbh.

[Ammi]

The real tragedy here is that help and support just isn't available for so many families in this position. Not from the state, not from communities, not even from extended family in many cases, and people can become completely desperate and just snap. And then, inevitably, extended families, friends and neighbours are "shocked", "horrified", "outraged" that something like this could happen... but you can bet your life than when he was alive and when she was probably quite obviously in need of help, none of them wanted anything to do with "the weird kid" who was "a lot of work".

..I totally agree with this TS..I don't know how it is in the USA but I know that sadly it is very lacking here ..and I've always liked to think that there is help and support there for people in crisis/families in crisis but there really quite often isn't and 'signs' aren't being recognised when coping abilities are lost...this is why I think I couldn't say whether this act was 'evil' or not without knowing more ..because to dismiss it as such would to me be to dismiss a huge issue that may be very real and effect many others....

[Ammi]

Self defense or the defense of another is justifiable, revenge killing and it's ilk isn't. I think it's an insult to the victim because it's killing someone in their name. Even if a loved one of mine was killed I'd never think of killing the person who did it because if, I was ever murdered, I would not want someone I love to throw their life away on a selfish need for revenge and I would like to think that other people think like that too.

..I agree with you for the reasons you've said Dezzy but also because ..imagining how I would feel if that happened to a member of my family/the impact/sadness/pain of it..?...why would I even consider inflicting the same on the family of the attacker/killer because they are complete innocents..why would I put another parent through that...how could that ever be justified or have any 'satisfaction or justice' whatsoever....it would only double the pain...

[AnnieK]

I was looking for this thread as it was similar iirc, but I don't remember the outpouring of sympathy tbh.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249229

[Vicky.]

Evil bitch.

Everyone gets frustrated with their kids, it takes a certain kind of person to even consider doing something like this. As a mother I cant even begin to imagine.

[Kizzy]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249229

Thanks annie but this wasn't it, the mother was younger and she killed herself too in a multistory car park I think.

[Niamh.]

Thanks annie but this wasn't it, the mother was younger and she killed herself too in a multistory car park I think.

Oh that was the one near where Nathan lived iirc

[AnnieK]

Thanks annie but this wasn't it, the mother was younger and she killed herself too in a multistory car park I think.

Ah....yeah I remember that. I think she was pregnant wasn't she?

[Vicky.]

I vaguely remember that thread, and some people were feeling sorry for the killer again IIRC. I dont get it personally.

[Niamh.]

Found it!

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223652&highlight=lowestoft

[Kizzy]

Found it!

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223652&highlight=lowestoft

Thanks Niamh :D

[Cherie]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249229

This was the case I was referring to as the children had disabilities, the case is Suffolk was due to a relationship breakdown if I remember it correctly.

[Niamh.]

seems like peoples reactions are similar with all 3 cases though tbf. I don't know what I think about it tbh, I mean I couldn't ever imagine anything ever making me kill my children like that so surely these women must have some serious mental breakdown to be able to do it?

[Kizzy]

seems like peoples reactions are similar with all 3 cases though tbf. I don't know what I think about it tbh, I mean I couldn't ever imagine anything ever making me kill my children like that so surely these women must have some serious mental breakdown to be able to do it?

Yes its surprised me I thought there was a more pronounced difference of opinion between these.

[Kizzy]

This was the case I was referring to as the children had disabilities, the case is Suffolk was due to a relationship breakdown if I remember it correctly.

Yes in these two cases the mothers killed the kids, crazy enough to kill the children but not themselves it seems.

[AnnieK]

Yes in these two cases the mothers killed the kids, crazy enough to kill the children but not themselves it seems.

I think the one who killed her 3 disabled children tried to kill herself but failed...

[Vanessa]

Poor kid. This is so upsetting. :sad::bawling:

[Kizzy]

I think the one who killed her 3 disabled children tried to kill herself but failed...

'a 42-year-old woman was taken to hospital for treatment for minor injuries and later discharged' nope.