UK Greencore sandwich Factory has to employ 300 from Hungary

[arista]

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Link For Kizzy
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/09/daily-mail-headline-sandwiches_n_6129876.html?1415572865


[Is there no one left in Britain
who can make a sandwich? Firm that
supplies M&S and Tesco is forced to
recruit 300 staff in
Hungary
Greencore Group's new £35
million factory is due to open in 2016
Advertising for machine setters,
cleaners, porters and quality monitors
But company says majority
of 300 new staff will be recruited from Hungary
Blamed few local applications
on 'very low unemployment' in Northampton]







Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827625/Factory-bosses-forced-recruit-Hungary-locals-not-apply.html#ixzz3IdFhgcZ8



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[Greencore's Food to Go business is one of the world's
leading manufacturers of pre-packed sandwiches]



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Its Good they are making sure their Jobs
are going to filled by workers


Sign Of The Times

[Creggle]

Did you take the photo in the OP? :laugh:

[arista]

Did you take the photo in the OP? :laugh:


No its from
Huff. Post

[Kizzy]

Forced to?... yeah right, if you are recruited in another country are you paid there or here? There must be some scam for employers, something to do with minimum wage or tax breaks for employing outside the UK... :suspect:

[user104658]

I don't want Hungary people making my sandwiches... They'll probably take a bite!

:hehe:
Forced to?... yeah right, if you are recruited in another country are you paid there or here? There must be some scam for employers, something to do with minimum wage or tax breaks for employing outside the UK... :suspect:
Someone cynical might wonder if this is the case - what immediately jumps out at me is that they would avoid Employer's National Insurance (company adds to your NI contributions on top of what comes soft of your own wage) and, also, automatic pension enrollment came in this year (money comes out of pay unless you opt out and the employer has to contribute extra on top of that). Have to question whether or not that would apply to a workforce from outside the UK...

[arista]

I don't want Hungary people making my sandwiches... They'll probably take a bite!

:hehe:

Someone cynical might wonder if this is the case - what immediately jumps out at me is that they would avoid Employer's National Insurance (company adds to your NI contributions on top of what comes soft of your own wage) and, also, automatic pension enrollment came in this year (money comes out of pay unless you opt out and the employer has to contribute extra on top of that). Have to question whether or not that would apply to a workforce from outside the UK...


You can see in the Photos Greencore
have given the press
all the Employees are good.


All EU workers brought have to be legal
so the agency in Hungary
makes sure of that.

[user104658]

You can see in the Photos Greencore
have given the press
all the Employees are good.


All EU workers brought have to be legal
so the agency in Hungary
makes sure of that.

Yes but legal loopholes are called "loopholes" for a reason - they're not illegal.

If the workers are still classed as resident in their home country then (I would assume) their pension is still tied to that country, as will any equivalent of National Insurance be (if there is one)... so, then, whilst the workers will still be contributing Income Tax to the UK pot, the company itself won't have to shell out for the new pension scheme or Employer's N.I. contributions, which, with 300+ workers, would save the company several thousand pounds every month.

This is largely guesswork of course - I don't actually know how N.I. contributions work for EU migrants. I know that if I was a temporary migrant who would be moving home eventually, I wouldn't be happy about paying N.I. contributions...

Quick google:

Do I have to pay NIC (National Insurance contributions) in the UK?

If you come to the UK from another EU country or from Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Switzerland, you may not have to pay NIC but, instead, could continue to pay social security in the country where you were formerly employed.

Tadaaa... may be the case that these workers are not going to be paying UK National Insurance but instead paying social security in Hungary. In the UK, if you are paying N.I., your employer adds to that out of their own pocket. They will not have to do so if their workers are not paying N.I. Completely "legal".


http://www.litrg.org.uk/tax-guides/migrants/national-insurance-for-migrants/what-if-i-come-from-the-eu-norway-iceland-liechtenstein-or-switzerland

[Crimson Dynamo]

this really takes the biscuit

[Niamh.]

The tweets are hilarious :laugh:

I hate pre made sandwiches, I like to make my own sandwich or atleast have it made while I wait in a the shop

[arista]

The tweets are hilarious :laugh:

I hate pre made sandwiches, I like to make my own sandwich or atleast have it made while I wait in a the shop


But you must understand
in the City Of London
Bankers need Top food
some of these Factory Made Sandwiches
are £4.


London has loads of just M&S Foods stores
selling millions of them

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes neem :nono:

not everyone can afford gourmet hand made sandwiches with caviar as you probably have

[Niamh.]

:laugh:


I don't even like cavier :idc:

[kirklancaster]

I don't want Hungary people making my sandwiches... They'll probably take a bite!

:hehe:



:fist:Hey T.S - No more puns, stick to the heavy 'intelligent' stuff, leave the comedy to Marsh. LT, and me. :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

Forced to?... yeah right, if you are recruited in another country are you paid there or here? There must be some scam for employers, something to do with minimum wage or tax breaks for employing outside the UK... :suspect:

Bang on. This "can't find workers in the UK" crap is propaganda.

[Marsh.]

:fist:Hey T.S - No more puns, stick to the heavy 'intelligent' stuff, leave the comedy to Marsh. LT, and me. :hehe:

:cool:

[arista]

Bang on. This "can't find workers in the UK" crap is propaganda.



No they claim they can not find them Local to the Factory.

[Northern Monkey]

No they claim they can not find them Local to the Factory.

They can't find them 'local to the factory' so instead of advertising in the nearest big city,They advertise in Hungary??

[JoshBB]

lol. it makes me laugh because people always claim "oh we cant get jobs the immigrants are getting them all"

[kirklancaster]

They can't find them 'local to the factory' so instead of advertising in the nearest big city,They advertise in Hungary??

:joker::joker::joker:

[arista]

They can't find them 'local to the factory' so instead of advertising in the nearest big city,They advertise in Hungary??


Well its a Big Deal
new factory
they can not mess about with locals
who can not get out of bed.

Sign Of The Times

[kirklancaster]

Well its a Big Deal
new factory
they can not mess about with locals
who can not get out of bed.

Sign Of The Times

But do we only have the company's word for this Arista? Or is there corroboration from the local jobcentre etc?

[Kizzy]

:fist:Hey T.S - No more puns, stick to the heavy 'intelligent' stuff, leave the comedy to Marsh. LT, and me. :hehe:

Or failing that someone funny :hehe: :fan:

[arista]

But do we only have the company's word for this Arista? Or is there corroboration from the local jobcentre etc?


No Press Reports

[kirklancaster]

Or failing that someone funny :hehe: :fan:

Ouch!!:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Kizzy]

lol. it makes me laugh because people always claim "oh we cant get jobs the immigrants are getting them all"

Yes, and this in a way proves there is more than a grain of truth in that now I suppose but it isn't their fault is it?
The employers recruiting outside the UK are adding to social tension with these tactics.

[arista]

It was Debated on Loose Women ITV1HD today
J.S Porter said they should get the Living wage
which is higher.

And a mother of one
said if she worked she be £200
less.
So she stays on benefits



JS.Porter
then said they Must cut the benefits
make them lower
then they will have to work

[Kizzy]

It was Debated on Loose Women ITV1HD today
J.S Porter said they should get the Living wage
which is higher.

And a mother of one
said if she worked she be £200
less.
So she stays on benefits



JS.Porter
then said they Must cut the benefits
make them lower
then they will have to work

JSP is an arse, how would that solve anything in real terms if benefits are only just enough to live on now?
how about they make rent's, utilities and VAT lower in line with with wages in this country then people could afford to come off benefits and work for more not less?...

[arista]

JSP is an arse, how would that solve anything in real terms if benefits are only just enough to live on now?
how about they make rent's, utilities and VAT lower in line with with wages in this country then people could afford to come off benefits and work for more not less?...


JSP wants them in the higher wage bracket
and cut benefits so its lower than work amount

Thats Fair

[Northern Monkey]

A wage increase to make it worth coming off benefits is what's needed.People should be able to live comfortably on minimum wage and be better off than living off benefits.