Jihadi John is 'wounded in US airstrike on secret bunker

[arista]

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[Jihadi John was in a bunker in northern Iraq with the leader of ISIS
A US airstrike destroyed the bunker, killing an estimated 10 ISIS leaders
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was believed to have been injured in the airstrike
The Foreign Office confirmed they are investigating reports the injuries
A nurse claimed one of the men was the man who 'slaughtered journalists']

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836124/GOT-Jihadi-John-wounded-airstrike-Foreign-Office-confirms-MOS-aware-reports-injury.html#ixzz3JBgJiwX4

[joeysteele]

If it is true,I am only sorry that he was only injured.

[Amy Jade]

Too bad he didn't die. Then again hopefully he's suffering now.

I generally never wish anyone to die or suffer but this spineless bastard deserves the most painful of deaths.

[arista]

Maybe he needs a hospital
so he could Die

[MTVN]

Load of rubbish, he is still alive and well

[kirklancaster]

I am literally praying the report is true and that the evil murdering scumbag dies from his injuries, but only after suffering a couple of weeks of intolerable pain. If confirmation comes of this, Christmas will have come early.

[Creggle]

I know he survived :sad: BUT THINK OF THE POSITIVES GUYS! 10 of them are dead! They probably burnt to death, that must of hurt. :hehe:

:cheer2:

[waterhog]

we will get him it takes time.

[Ninastar]

I personally doubt this is true... even though I wish it was

The even worse thing is, is that there are still thousands of men just like him over there

but by the time people realise this, it will be too late

things are about to get so much worse... its worry that more people dont realise this

[Gusto Brunt]

I want to see that bastard's face. I wanna see him parading in front of the cameras, then jailed for 200 years. :mad:

[thesheriff443]

I want to see that bastard's face. I wanna see him parading in front of the cameras, then jailed for 200 years. :mad:

this made me smile.

[Kazanne]

If it is true,I am only sorry that he was only injured.

^This :wavey:

[JoshBB]

Ten ISIS leaders, at least that's a success. We're still adding to the 1,600,000+ innocent Iraqis we've killed in the last 10 years though.

[Ninastar]

Ten ISIS leaders, at least that's a success. We're still adding to the 1,600,000+ innocent Iraqis we've killed in the last 10 years though.

Do you not realise that if we don't kill these people, they will continue to kill innocent people for the rest of their lives?

They kill muslims, christians (they've easily killed millions over the past 50 years), jews, non religions people, anyone... they have absolutely no care about who they kill.

you can cry and moan about all the people killed by us horrid brits/americans/white people, whatever, but at the end of the day, just as many people (probably more) would die if we didn't intervene.

You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about when you make these posts about the war.

What are you, 14? You've got a lot to learn... A big wake up call is needed for you.

Maybe when you're older, you'll understand what true terrorism is.

There is absolutely no such thing as 'peace'. It will never ever happen. And do you know whose fault that is?

Terrorists.

People who kill people for no reason.

Stop trying to look so open minded and different, when you don't even know the half of what has happened of the past 100 years or so.

No one wants a war. Yet sadly, we sometimes have to.

[kirklancaster]

Do you not realise that if we don't kill these people, they will continue to kill innocent people for the rest of their lives?

They kill muslims, christians (they've easily killed millions over the past 50 years), jews, non religions people, anyone... they have absolutely no care about who they kill.

you can cry and moan about all the people killed by us horrid brits/americans/white people, whatever, but at the end of the day, just as many people (probably more) would die if we didn't intervene.

You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about when you make these posts about the war.

What are you, 14? You've got a lot to learn... A big wake up call is needed for you.

Maybe when you're older, you'll understand what true terrorism is.

There is absolutely no such thing as 'peace'. It will never ever happen. And do you know whose fault that is?

Terrorists.

People who kill people for no reason.

Stop trying to look so open minded and different, when you don't even know the half of what has happened of the past 100 years or so.

No one wants a war. Yet sadly, we sometimes have to.:clap1::clap1::clap1:



It needed saying.

[Ninastar]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:



It needed saying.

thank you...

it has been brewing up for a while now...

its just a shame cause Josh is very clearly a smart kid... I just think he listens to everything he hears on the internet

Then again, I guess I did when I was 14 too. Hopefully he will see the light one day.

[kirklancaster]

I want to see that bastard's face. I wanna see him parading in front of the cameras, then jailed for 200 years. :mad:

Jails are just glorified hotels now, and why should the country's tax-payers fund the prolonging of this turd's life in comparative luxury when the murdering coward did not even spare the lives of his innocent victims. Covertly torture the bastard behind firmly closed doors - whilst extracting as much information about his terrorist brothers as possible - before ensuring as agonising a death as possible. It should be relatively easy to concoct a Death Certificate which bears out that the coward **** hung himself in his cell.

[Kyle]

Jails are just glorified hotels now, and why should the country's tax-payers fund the prolonging of this turd's life in comparative luxury when the murdering coward did not even spare the lives of his innocent victims. Covertly torture the bastard behind firmly closed doors - whilst extracting as much information about his terrorist brothers as possible - before ensuring as agonising a death as possible. It should be relatively easy to concoct a Death Certificate which bears out that the coward **** hung himself in his cell.

Having him rot away the rest of his life in a secure cell with nothing but the four walls for company is a much more suitable punishment in my opinion. Executing him would end his suffering quickly and ensure his path-hood to martyrdom for his buddies and sympathisers I think.

I'm not in favour of secretly killing people off and passing it off as suicide either. Sounds very shady to me.

I don't like the eye for an eye policy. We are better than they are. That's what makes them and us different.

[kirklancaster]

Having him rot away the rest of his life in a secure cell with nothing but the four walls for company is a much more suitable punishment in my opinion. Executing him would end his suffering quickly and ensure his path-hood to martyrdom for his buddies and sympathisers I think.

I'm not in favour of secretly killing people off and passing it off as suicide either. Sounds very shady to me.

I don't like the eye for an eye policy. We are better than they are. That's what makes them and us different.

Unless the turd is going to be kept in solitary confinement in a special 'military' jail, 'four stone walls' is not the reality of prison life now Kyle - they're all like hotels. Central heating, 4 square meals per day, phones, TV radios, civilian clothing, easier access to drugs and other contraband than on the outside, and even scum like Myra Hindley can not only attain acceptance, but even friendship as the abhorrent gravity of their offences are overlooked or fade over time.

Historically Martyrdom is generally a fallacy as far as executing terrorists is concerned, and even where the organisation concerned initially hails such a death as 'Martyrdom' and uses it for propaganda purposes - it is usually only of relevance within that organisation and its effects are short-lived. Bobby Sands was an IRA 'Martyr who starved himself to death in prison but he was all but forgotten within a very short time and now virtually no one knows who he was.

In addition, these evil terrorist bastards would not shirk at kidnapping innocent Western civilians - men, women, or children - and keeping them hostage in order to force the West into an exchange for imprisoned terrorists.

I really believe that - as Ninastar claims - this kind of terrorist warfare is increasing and is very much more of a real threat to free democratic countries than is generally realised, and I do not believe that we can continue to fight crazy scum bastards like these by continuing to politely adhere to the Marquess of Queensberry rules. They have a fanatical agenda and will not ever stop until they achieve it. They cannot be appeased or reasoned with, and they have no intrinsic moral code, humanitarian feelings or sense of decency. They are sub-human, evil killers, and it is time to face that reality, take off the kid gloves, cast aside our own ethics and morals, and fight 'fire with fire', with total victory as a primary objective, and total eradication of these murderers as a close second.

[T*]

We're still adding to the 1,600,000+ innocent Iraqis we've killed in the last 10 years though.

Does that really matter if we're killing people who will continue to kill innocent people unless we stop them?

[T*]

Do you not realise that if we don't kill these people, they will continue to kill innocent people for the rest of their lives?

They kill muslims, christians (they've easily killed millions over the past 50 years), jews, non religions people, anyone... they have absolutely no care about who they kill.

you can cry and moan about all the people killed by us horrid brits/americans/white people, whatever, but at the end of the day, just as many people (probably more) would die if we didn't intervene.

You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about when you make these posts about the war.

What are you, 14? You've got a lot to learn... A big wake up call is needed for you.

Maybe when you're older, you'll understand what true terrorism is.

There is absolutely no such thing as 'peace'. It will never ever happen. And do you know whose fault that is?

Terrorists.

People who kill people for no reason.

Stop trying to look so open minded and different, when you don't even know the half of what has happened of the past 100 years or so.

No one wants a war. Yet sadly, we sometimes have to.

:clap1:
Very well said.

[sassysocks]

If it is true,I am only sorry that he was only injured.

Dito. He deserved to have been blown into many pieces preferably suffering for hours.

[sassysocks]

I personally doubt this is true... even though I wish it was

The even worse thing is, is that there are still thousands of men just like him over there

but by the time people realise this, it will be too late

things are about to get so much worse. its worry that more people dont realise this

They are not men, they are animals - that is the problem. They love all the attention their barbaric acts get them, it makes them feel powerful.

But the world sees them for what they are - pathetic wild dogs desperate to be top dog. They have had their day but unfortunatley are too stupid to see that.

[Kyle]

Unless the turd is going to be kept in solitary confinement in a special 'military' jail, 'four stone walls' is not the reality of prison life now Kyle - they're all like hotels. Central heating, 4 square meals per day, phones, TV radios, civilian clothing, easier access to drugs and other contraband than on the outside, and even scum like Myra Hindley can not only attain acceptance, but even friendship as the abhorrent gravity of their offences are overlooked or fade over time.

Historically Martyrdom is generally a fallacy as far as executing terrorists is concerned, and even where the organisation concerned initially hails such a death as 'Martyrdom' and uses it for propaganda purposes - it is usually only of relevance within that organisation and its effects are short-lived. Bobby Sands was an IRA 'Martyr who starved himself to death in prison but he was all but forgotten within a very short time and now virtually no one knows who he was.

In addition, these evil terrorist bastards would not shirk at kidnapping innocent Western civilians - men, women, or children - and keeping them hostage in order to force the West into an exchange for imprisoned terrorists.

I really believe that - as Ninastar claims - this kind of terrorist warfare is increasing and is very much more of a real threat to free democratic countries than is generally realised, and I do not believe that we can continue to fight crazy scum bastards like these by continuing to politely adhere to the Marquess of Queensberry rules. They have a fanatical agenda and will not ever stop until they achieve it. They cannot be appeased or reasoned with, and they have no intrinsic moral code, humanitarian feelings or sense of decency. They are sub-human, evil killers, and it is time to face that reality, take off the kid gloves, cast aside our own ethics and morals, and fight 'fire with fire', with total victory as a primary objective, and total eradication of these murderers as a close second.

Starving yourself to death is not the same as being executed by the state. You can mince your words as much as you want mate but if your bloodlust extends to executing people or bumping them off and then falsifying evidence to make it look like they killed themselves as you said earlier then congratulations you just stooped 'almost' as low as they did. That's without even going into how that system would be open to abuse at government level.

[lostalex]

i watched ender's game last night. We need an Ender to wipe these ****ers out once and for all.

[Ninastar]

:clap1:
Very well said.

thank you tom... glad to see that you're so understanding for your age

[Niamh.]

i watched ender's game last night. We need an Ender to wipe these ****ers out once and for all.


I watched that last night too, thought if was crap

[Liam-]

Do you not realise that if we don't kill these people, they will continue to kill innocent people for the rest of their lives?

They kill muslims, christians (they've easily killed millions over the past 50 years), jews, non religions people, anyone... they have absolutely no care about who they kill.

you can cry and moan about all the people killed by us horrid brits/americans/white people, whatever, but at the end of the day, just as many people (probably more) would die if we didn't intervene.

You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about when you make these posts about the war.

What are you, 14? You've got a lot to learn... A big wake up call is needed for you.

Maybe when you're older, you'll understand what true terrorism is.

There is absolutely no such thing as 'peace'. It will never ever happen. And do you know whose fault that is?

Terrorists.

People who kill people for no reason.

Stop trying to look so open minded and different, when you don't even know the half of what has happened of the past 100 years or so.

No one wants a war. Yet sadly, we sometimes have to.

Well put :clap2:

[lostalex]

I watched that last night too, thought if was crap

well it was a crap movie, and i totally predicted the ending half way through. but still... I support use of drones to wipe out these evil ****ers. I don't support the use of kids and manipulating them with video games though...

I meant a willing Ender.

[MTVN]

Does that really matter if we're killing people who will continue to kill innocent people unless we stop them?

Yes, it matters.

Completely agree that there is no point trying to be open minded with IS but at the same time we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the Iraq invasion was a massive mistake and that IS are to some extent a product of western foreign policy failure in the region

[Kazanne]

He can't be that badly injured as he has beheaded someone today hasn't he?

[kirklancaster]

Starving yourself to death is not the same as being executed by the state. You can mince your words as much as you want mate but if your bloodlust extends to executing people or bumping them off and then falsifying evidence to make it look like they killed themselves as you said earlier then congratulations you just stooped 'almost' as low as they did. That's without even going into how that system would be open to abuse at government level.

It's nothing personal Kylle - just a difference of opinion.

He died as a result of going on a hunger strike for his 'cause' and while it is different to actually being executed by the state, I used it merely to illustrate my point of view about 'Martyrs' because he was immediately hailed as one by the IRA, but it did not result in masses of recruits to their cause, nor did it affect the terrorist war one iota, and the memory of this 'Martyr' was very short lived outside the hard core of fanatics within his organisation.

I make no apologies for my view that the bastards should be covertly tortured in order to extract information, because such information could potentially save thousands of innocent lives as well as enable this war to end early in our favour.

As to bloodlust, then if that is what I am accused of so be it, but in my opinion it is these evil madmen who have the bloodlust, and I prefer to just regard myself as a realist who 'has seen' the terrifying future if we do not abandon our sense of civilised, moral superiority, and start doing whatever it takes to comprehensively defeat these evil lunatics.

The difference between 'us' and 'them' is that they are so warped that they are willing to die to achieve their aims. This being so, we should ensure that once captured these bastards should indeed die -but to help us achieve our aims instead of theirs.

In my view I am not an alarmist - just a realist, and just as my viewpoints are regarded by some as 'radical' , I am equally perplexed by their viewpoints. In fact, I am reminded of the British 'Raj' dressed to the nines in Tuxedos and cummerbunds, and pearls and evening dresses, in the Raffles Hotel in World War 2 Singapore. When the first gunfire sounded as the Japanese advanced, they danced on - convinced that no such horrors could ever encroach upon their 'oh so civilised' world. I wonder how many times they rued such complacency while they were being daily abused by their Japanese captors in Changi POW camp - those who survived anyway.

Anyway, we are all entitled to our points of view and this is mine.

[MTVN]

He can't be that badly injured as he has beheaded someone today hasn't he?

Yeah been a couple of videos released today of an American being beheaded as well as him leading a mass beheading of Syrian soldiers, so either they were filmed beforehand or as you say he wasn't that badly injured after all

[arista]

He can't be that badly injured as he has beheaded someone today hasn't he?


Kaz thats a recording Not Live
made weeks back

[sassysocks]

Yes, it matters.

Completely agree that there is no point trying to be open minded with IS but at the same time we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the Iraq invasion was a massive mistake and that IS are to some extent a product of western foreign policy failure in the region

So the rest of the world, who have the means, should not intervene to protect the ordinary people of a country such as Iraq and just let the home grown Iraqi dictators and bully boys terrorise and murder their own. Wouldn't all the bully boys out there just love that. We did not create this mess, the terrorists did.

[MTVN]

So the rest of the world, who have the means, should not intervene to protect the ordinary people of a country such as Iraq and just let the home grown Iraqi dictators and bully boys terrorise and murder their own. Wouldn't all the bully boys out there just love that. We did not create this mess, the terrorists did.

So the Iraq war wasn't a mistake? It was a necessary humanitarian intervention with the purest of motives? Sad as it may be there are dozens of countries with dictatorial systems - some of them are our great allies. 'Nations have no permanent friends or enemies, only permanent interests' - look at the way that Gaddafi was alternatively an enemy, then a friend, then an enemy again. Same story with a lot of world leaders. And sad as it may also be a lot of the time these dictators are the only things keeping a lid on melting pots of religious and political tensions just waiting to boil over. Toppling Saddam opened up a power vacuum in Iraq which IS are now filling. Only post invasion did Iraq become such a haven for terrorists. It's the same story in Syria, suddenly we're not so desperate to see Assad removed because we have a common enemy. We used to be expected to cheerlead the death of Syrian soldiers who it was decided were just Assad's dogs massacring his people, not so much anymore.

[Livia]

I'm not sure we can excuse ISIL's reign of terror because of Iraq, a war we - the public - were led into on a lie despite massive public disapproval. ISIL have overstepped anything that could have led to any kind of understanding. They can't be negotiated with, they can't be reasoned with and they should be eradicated.

[MTVN]

I'm not sure we can excuse ISIL's reign of terror because of Iraq, a war we - the public - were led into on a lie despite massive public disapproval. ISIL have overstepped anything that could have led to any kind of understanding. They can't be negotiated with, they can't be reasoned with and they should be eradicated.

There's a big difference between excusing and explaining though, it's not as though things happen in a vacuum with no context

[kirklancaster]

I'm not sure we can excuse ISIL's reign of terror because of Iraq, a war we - the public - were led into on a lie despite massive public disapproval. ISIL have overstepped anything that could have led to any kind of understanding. They can't be negotiated with, they can't be reasoned with and they should be eradicated.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[GypsyGoth]

With a name like Jihadi John, it's little wonder that he's fighting on the same side as the terrorists.

[Livia]

There's a big difference between excusing and explaining though, it's not as though things happen in a vacuum with no context

With respect MTVN - because I always do respect your point of view - I'm tired of people trying to explain why this is happening, in effect excusing ISIL and making it all about what the West has done as if they have a right to carry out these act in retaliation. There is no excuse for what they ISIL do and there is no explanation for it apart from this: ISIL are a bunch of murdering terrorists who will do what they do because they hate anyone who isn't with them. Killing children in front of their parents, making people watch as their wives and daughters are raped and then murdered, all the terrible, sickening things I've heard about ISIL since it all began makes me wonder how anyone can, with a straight face, say there is any kind of explanation for what they're doing.

[MTVN]

With respect MTVN - because I always do respect your point of view - I'm tired of people trying to explain why this is happening, in effect excusing ISIL and making it all about what the West has done as if they have a right to carry out these act in retaliation. There is no excuse for what they ISIL do and there is no explanation for it apart from this: ISIL are a bunch of murdering terrorists who will do what they do because they hate anyone who isn't with them. Killing children in front of their parents, making people watch as their wives and daughters are raped and then murdered, all the terrible, sickening things I've heard about ISIL since it all began makes me wonder how anyone can, with a straight face, say there is any kind of explanation for what they're doing.

I wasn't trying to explain their actions though, I'm talking about explaining their rise; why they have managed to recruit so many followers and why opposition forces and Middle Eastern governments have been so impotent to stop them. I'm not going to disagree with your description of IS - their brand of extremism is more murderous than anything we've seen in the last few decades - but in order to counter their threat we do need to contextualise it imo. It's not about explaining what they've done necessarily, it's about explaining why they have been able to carry out their atrocities and swallow up so much territory.

[Livia]

I wasn't trying to explain their actions though, I'm talking about explaining their rise; why they have managed to recruit so many followers and why opposition forces and Middle Eastern governments have been so impotent to stop them. I'm not going to disagree with your description of IS - their brand of extremism is more murderous than anything we've seen in the last few decades - but in order to counter their threat we do need to contextualise it imo. It's not about explaining what they've done necessarily, it's about explaining why they have been able to carry out their atrocities and swallow up so much territory.

Went off half cocked there, didn't I. Sorry MTVN, I got the wrong end of the stick.

[MTVN]

Went off half cocked there, didn't I. Sorry MTVN, I got the wrong end of the stick.

No worries lol, I probs wasn't very clear before

[Mitchell]

Hope he dies a slow and painful death.