Ed Miliband Vs Myleene Klass

[arista]

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From yesterdays ITV1HD Agenda show


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[Well you wanted a Klass war, Ed! As if things weren't bad enough, now the beleaguered
Labour leader is humiliated on TV by former pop star Myleene
as she takes him to task over the mansion tax]

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video on that but only a edit

[joeysteele]

I didn't agree with her take on things to be quite frank,he also did say it was something open for discussion as to the planning of it.

I agree with a mansion tax,I do also think that it needs to be looked at so that although on paper it is a property deemed eligible for further taxation, other circumstances do need consideration as to the incomes and savings of those possibly affected.

I have no sympathy with the view of problems of working out the value of the houses in the first place.
If those that own them, wanted to sell the property, they would know almost to the penny what they should get for it.

Furthermore, many people hit by the bedroom tax, have had to give up the homes they have lived in most of their lives and had to get rid of possessions too, to downsize into going into a smaller propety.

I am just sad Mylene chose to make daft supportive comments of those in multi million pound properties while not having much to say at all about the people at the bottom end being hammered by this lot in Govt. now.

I actually admired Ed Miliband for throughout this whole programme, standing his ground and sticking to his view that doing something rather than nothing is better in the long run.
I do usually like Mylene but for me she was just talking utter nonsense on this programme as to this from a very closed thinking/agenda she seemed to have as to it.

[smudgie]

Good for her.

Mansion tax my backside...some of those So called mansions are family homes that have been lived in for years.
It doesn't stop at the 2 million mark either, if Ed Balls has his way it would be anything over £400 grand in parts of the North East.

As to the bedroom tax, if you rented privately you have had to pay for extra bedrooms out of your own pocket for years.:shrug:

[Livia]

Good for her.

Mansion tax my backside...some of those So called mansions are family homes that have been lived in for years.
It doesn't stop at the 2 million mark either, if Ed Balls has his way it would be anything over £400 grand in parts of the North East.

As to the bedroom tax, if you rented privately you have had to pay for extra bedrooms out of your own pocket for years.:shrug:

Great post Smudgie, I find myself agreeing with you a lot.

[arista]

Yes Good For her

[user104658]

Rich little rich girl doesn't want to pay more tax because her future home might be worth more than £2 million. My heart bleeds for her. No, really.

[Ninastar]

Great post Smudgie, I find myself agreeing with you a lot.

x2

[Livia]

Rich little rich girl doesn't want to pay more tax because her future home might be worth more than £2 million. My heart bleeds for her. No, really.

This is going to sound ridiculous probably, but you don't get much for £2,000,000 in London. I sold a 2 up, 2 down Victorian terraced house a few years ago for a fair price. It's back on the market for almost £400,000, and it's in one of the poorest boroughs in the country. The "mansion tax" is all well and good if it applied to actual mansions, but it won't. Stick a bit more on the upper rate of income tax and get the tax in from the companies who aren't paying it.

[Kizzy]

And the poor paying bedroom tax is fair I suppose?... Makes me sick!
Everyday people are made homeless, sink further into a sea of debt and even commit suicide due to the 'spare room subsidy' I don't hear Ms Klass wailing about how unfair that is pfffft!

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[joeysteele]

Rich little rich girl doesn't want to pay more tax because her future home might be worth more than £2 million. My heart bleeds for her. No, really.

Personally,I think the £2,000,000 is too low to start a mansion tax of sorts but something needs to be done to address this and get some extra funding in from those with absolutely outrageously large properties.

I raised the bedroom tax in my post because this Govt, hasn't batted an eyelid at attacking those on the lowest incomes with modest homes as to taking off them funds they were told were their right to claim, and then having to pay money out of what the Govt originally said, they had to have to live on,to pay this rotten and unfair bedroom tax.

That attacking the weakest the poorest is supported it seems but it is wrong for a party to take from those that have the most and great wealth too,living in those outrageously massive dwellings,they sure cannot be poor,or they would sell them.

As to the good point raised as to private landlords and private housing, well therein lies something else that needs to be addressed, greedy people overcharging as to rents because Govt's haven't made it that rents need to be universal for the same properties.
Yes that needs sorting out, people who buy up properties, maybe ex local authority housing that tenants have bought and are now selling,then they do some cosmetic work to the property and charge ridiculous rents for same.

For instance, I dealt with some people who lived in a mixed street of local authority housing and privately owned properties too.
The rents for the local authority housing was £127 per week,a property 3 doors away, owned by someone with another property they lived in, so rented this one out, worked out at £255 per week.
It is those people who are overcharging for rented property and therefore taking more from the taxpayer when their tenant has to claim housing benefit,they are nothing short of criminals in my view.

They are the greedy parasites taking off those in work, those out of work and the taxpayers too.
They should be stopped from setting rents too high in the first place and the best way to see what rent should be charged, is to look at what the property would cost to rent if it was under a local authority.

Instead of joining in the bashing of the weakest and poorest who have been hit hardest by the bedroom tax, the ones that should be condemned are the greedy private landlords who the Govt does nothing about at all.
None of that justifies the bedroom tax at all, I cannot see an argument for the bedroom tax,it is costing as much, if not more to implement, than it will ever save.

Also however, none of the above takes away from the idea that those with 'mansions' for want of a better word and a strong income too,should not be made to make a greater contribution to the finances of the UK via some extra tax on their incomes or their property and indeed in the case of probably some of their 'extra' properties.

[joeysteele]

And the poor paying bedroom tax is fair I suppose?... Makes me sick!
Everyday people are made homeless, sink further into a sea of debt and even commit suicide due to the 'spare room subsidy' I don't hear Ms Klass wailing about how unfair that is pfffft!

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It does seem in 21st century UK that some do see that as totally acceptable Kizzy.
To me it is an obscene policy.
It shouldn't be right in any society in my view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

More great PR for Milliband

[Kizzy]

I read that she has saved £70,000 over the last 4yrs due to the tax cuts, she could pay it with that?
And I agree totally about the greedy landlords Joey, historically there were laws preventing this sort of unscrupulous behaviour following rent strikes, I can see that happening again as people are priced out of certain areas.

[Kizzy]

More great PR for Milliband

Arguing the toss with some dead behind the eyes fame ***** is why he went into politics ...probably.

[joeysteele]

I read that she has saved £70,000 over the last 4yrs due to the tax cuts, she could pay it with that?
And I agree totally about the greedy landlords Joey, historically there were laws preventing this sort of unscrupulous behaviour following rent strikes, I can see that happening again as people are priced out of certain areas.

Hopefully sooner rather than later Kizzy.
It will however for certain, never be done by this extreme Govt. we have at present or any that has the greater influence of the Conservatives and UKIP after 2015.

[Kizzy]

0.5% of homeowners will pay this tax, how many people pay bedroom tax?

the top 1% pay more tax than the bottom 50%? Stop raising the level at which tax is paid, and get employers to pay a living wage so everyone is able to contribute comparatively then?

[kirklancaster]

This is going to sound ridiculous probably, but you don't get much for £2,000,000 in London. I sold a 2 up, 2 down Victorian terraced house a few years ago for a fair price. It's back on the market for almost £400,000, and it's in one of the poorest boroughs in the country. The "mansion tax" is all well and good if it applied to actual mansions, but it won't. Stick a bit more on the upper rate of income tax and get the tax in from the companies who aren't paying it.

I totally agree Liv, and the Government could actually start to more efficiently utilise the colossal amounts of money they already receive in various taxes.

[user104658]

The "little old granny, there for her whole life, no actual money" problem could be easily solved by only applying the tax to newly purchased properties, or perhaps properties purchased in the last 10 years. Fairly simple. And I'm sorry but anyone who is in the position to purchase a property worth £2,000,000 really should have no problem affording the tax. Most people barely earn half of that in their entire working lives. Anyone who is buying a house of that value complaining about anything money-related is verging on being a sick joke.

[Nedusa]

Arguing the toss with some dead behind the eyes fame ***** is why he went into politics ...probably.

Quite agree........dunno why he thinks it such a good idea to appear on programmes like these if they have Z list ex celebs as guests.

The sum of their political knowledge is probably taken from the cartoon section of the Daily Mail.

Mr Miliband is subjecting himself to the verbal equivalent of wading through treacle.




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[joeysteele]

Quite agree........dunno why he thinks it such a good idea to appear on programmes like these if they have Z list ex celebs as guests.

The sum of their political knowledge is probably taken from the cartoon section of the Daily Mail.

Mr Miliband is subjecting himself to the verbal equivalent of wading through treacle.




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Well other than with her, he and the others had a much better reasoning as to things,even when disagreeing.
Sometimes I like 'The Agenda' programme and other times don't ,although I do admire Tom Bradby as a presenter and interviewer.

Politicians are caught between a rock and a hard place as to going on TV shows, had Miliband refused to do this, he would have been likely described as a snob and/or likely to have been seen as not wanting to, or being able to defend his policies.
Totally slated in the media afterwards,by agreeing to do it, at least his words were his own.

For me, I thought he handled Mylene right, without resorting to making her look ridiculous,although she did that very ably herself in the end, in my opinion.

[Vicky.]

Good for her.

Mansion tax my backside...some of those So called mansions are family homes that have been lived in for years.
It doesn't stop at the 2 million mark either, if Ed Balls has his way it would be anything over £400 grand in parts of the North East.

As to the bedroom tax, if you rented privately you have had to pay for extra bedrooms out of your own pocket for years.:shrug:
Not quite...depends on what the rent is for the property. Technically now I could rent a 4 bed house around here privately with the LHA allowance. But In my 3 bed I am deemed to have too many rooms (despite one room being too small to fit anything except literally one child sized bed in)

People tend to say people who rent privately have had it for years, but thats not the case at all. If I could find a private property with 8 bedrooms the housing benefit would pay for it in full aslong as it was below a certain amount. As it doesnt actually go by rooms...it goes by average rent prices


That said I disagree with the mansion tax as its not fair. People may have a low income but a property left to them in a will..and would have to fork out money they dont have. Just because people have a big house doesn't mean they are loaded. I would rather see an extra tax on luxuries such as ridiculously priced sports cars and stuff like that, which would ensure that only those with ****loads of money who waste it are hit, rather than your average person who got left property by their grandparents or something.

Or maybe forget extra taxes, and just ****ing do something about all these companies/millionaires avoiding tax that they should be paying to begin with...

[Kizzy]

Well other than with her, he and the others had a much better reasoning as to things,even when disagreeing.
Sometimes I like 'The Agenda' programme and other times don't ,although I do admire Tom Bradby as a presenter and interviewer.

Politicians are caught between a rock and a hard place as to going on TV shows, had Miliband refused to do this, he would have been likely described as a snob and/or likely to have been seen as not wanting to, or being able to defend his policies.
Totally slated in the media afterwards,by agreeing to do it, at least his words were his own.

For me, I thought he handled Mylene right, without resorting to making her look ridiculous,although she did that very ably herself in the end, in my opinion.

Absolutely Joey, that's what's great about Ed for me, he is resolute and makes no excuse or apology for perceived injustices but explains the facts clearly and without mockery or needless diversionary tactics.

[Northern Monkey]

And the poor paying bedroom tax is fair I suppose?... Makes me sick!
Everyday people are made homeless, sink further into a sea of debt and even commit suicide due to the 'spare room subsidy' I don't hear Ms Klass wailing about how unfair that is pfffft!

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Exactly.This.People are struggling to eat and she's moaning about tax on a £2 million house.Unbelievable.

[JoshBB]

Ed Miliband wasn't humiliated at all. Stop posting your opinion as fact..

[Livia]

People really hate rich people, don't they.

[Livia]

Ed Miliband wasn't humiliated at all. Stop posting your opinion as fact..

Take your own advice, Josh.

[smudgie]

Not quite...depends on what the rent is for the property. Technically now I could rent a 4 bed house around here privately with the LHA allowance. But In my 3 bed I am deemed to have too many rooms (despite one room being too small to fit anything except literally one child sized bed in)

People tend to say people who rent privately have had it for years, but thats not the case at all. If I could find a private property with 8 bedrooms the housing benefit would pay for it in full aslong as it was below a certain amount. As it doesnt actually go by rooms...it goes by average rent prices


That said I disagree with the mansion tax as its not fair. People may have a low income but a property left to them in a will..and would have to fork out money they dont have. Just because people have a big house doesn't mean they are loaded. I would rather see an extra tax on luxuries such as ridiculously priced sports cars and stuff like that, which would ensure that only those with ****loads of money who waste it are hit, rather than your average person who got left property by their grandparents or something.

Or maybe forget extra taxes, and just ****ing do something about all these companies/millionaires avoiding tax that they should be paying to begin with...

It would be great if they sorted Out all the loopholes that allow those companies dodging the tax bill.
Yes, it does depend on a limit to be paid for how many bedrooms deemed needed. If you can find a cheaper house than the limit then the amount of bedrooms does not matter.
I think in some areas down South especially, people will find it difficult to find much of anything within the limits.

[JoshBB]

Take your own advice, Josh.

Don't see where I need to take my own advice but ok

[Livia]

Don't see where I need to take my own advice but ok

People have a perfect right to post their opinions and believe in them. You do it all the time, but you call out others. It's silly.

[Northern Monkey]

People really hate rich people, don't they.

I don't think so.I think 'hate' for the rich would be misplaced.I think people hate some of the policies by government which seem to hit the 'poorer' sections of society.This causes(misguided) resentment by some towards the more well off sections of society.So when someone like Mylene Klass(less) starts moaning about tax when things like the bedroom tax are hurting so many people,The people already struggling just to live due these unfair taxes don't see why 'richer' people should'nt pay as much as possible.

[Vicky.]

I dont 'hate' rich people at all. I do very much dislike those who try their damned hardest to avoid paying what they owe though. I know these threads always turn into 'well the rich pay 50%' or whatever, but thats ****ing right. I would much rather have an income of a million and pay 500k in tax, than have an income of 30k and pay much less. Its obvious that they should pay more...

I'm sorry but if people can afford to blow 200k on a sports car without even thinking about it, then they should be hit harder. I need to make it clear here I feel that I am talking about the obscenely rich, who get it for doing nothing really...the likes of footballers and such...NOT those who have worked their way up the career chain and now have a decent income

When there are people beiong kicked out of their homes because they cant find 20 quid a week extra rent from thin air for a bedroom that they do use but the government deems it unneeded..we have a big problem that many decide to just try to brush aside, favouring arguing against how much richer people pay instead or conetmplating more tax cuts for them. A woman in my street (I think I have mentioned before that I live in an area mostly populated by older people) needs a seperate room for her husband because she has a disabilty that I wont go into on here...apparently these people are protected from this. This is NOT the case. She recieved help for the first year of the bedrooom tax, and with little work/hassle too so credit to them there. Then the rules changed to say that anyone who has had a year of help cannot get anymore. Now she is in rent arrears and getting 'notice seeking possesion' threatening letters pretty much weekly. She reckons shes just gunna ride it out and hope it takes a while for the council to take her to court...as if the tories are gone at the next election she thinks the first thing labour do will be to get rid of this, and wipe arrears that have been accrued solely due to this. I think shes a bit too hopeful with that....

And its people like this woman who are made out to be the spongers of the world, while IDS laughs it up with his 50 quid breakfasts, all paid for by the taxpayer of course. It just sickens me

[Crimson Dynamo]

Often people hate rich people because to get rich they have been utter ***** and have no compassion or humility, they have just selfishly tried to get as much money as possible to say to people feck you I want you to look up to me because I have more than you and I am better than you

not all of course


I find they often drive Range Rovers

[joeysteele]

I don't hate rich people at all, my Parents have way more than they need and they would admit they do.
I do however hate injustice where people who are rich and then too have power ,they then use that power to bludgeon the poorest and weakest while building up the strongest and richest.
It is the injustice of that I dislike intensely.

The 'mansion tax' if it ever came in would also be linked to income too,it would not just be a flat across the board, with no other circumstances taken into consideration,full out tax on properties of over £2.000,000.

Rich people are needed to preserve and help create wealth for the UK, 'their country', and the vast majority of them do that too so they warrant protection too.
It isn't about hating anyone, it is hating a system that has been allowed to get progressively worse where those at the very top get nurtured while those at the very bottom get kicked, as they have been for all the time this coalition Govt has been in power,losing funds and entitlements left, right and centre.
That is what I intensely dislike, not people.

I know where my sympathies lie, no matter what wealth, health or strength I had in me,it would be to build up those who most need it and if that means in some way taking a bit more from those who have wealth to help with that,then so be it for me now.

Mind you, I don't know about hating the rich but there doesn't seem much compassion for those who are weakest and poorest being made daily, more poor and more weak by this rotten,heartless Govts policies.
It seems perfectly acceptable for those people at the very bottom to be made scapegoats and have to pay a big price for the Nations ills.

[user104658]

Completely agree Joey, I certainly don't hate the "rich" but I've seen the lower end of the scale, coming straight out of University with fairly useless degrees (in terms of employment) and a baby on the way, we really struggled for a couple of years. I grew up in a scenic, detached, "nice" household with an above average family income but when I was in my late teens my parents basically imploded (have mentioned it all in bits in various threads!) so were in no position to help, and I can say first hand that it is an awful situation to be in. I will never forget that no matter how high I climb.

For now we're doing fine, what I'd call an "average" sort of young family income, we certainly don't have to worry about money day to day but it's still a concern and things like owning our own home are still a few years off, but we definitely do have the ambition to be doing much better financially - to at least be doing well enough for money not to be a stress at all - and there's nothing wrong with that being the aim but I would absolutely never get complacent or ever assume that when people are struggling it's automatically their own fault. In fact, I have a sort of "dream" that, if we ever "get rich", I'd love to go into property and rent high standard family homes to young families at rock bottom rental prices and a promise that it's their home for as long as they want to rent it, and a clause in the contract that gives them the right to buy that home straight away if their circumstances change.

Greedy landlords in the private sector are one of my major pet peeves. If you have made it, if you are doing well, for God sake give SOME THING back. Help others to make it, too, instead of treading on them to climb higher.

[Kizzy]

As said nobody 'hates rich people' let's not start a klass war... ;)

Why don't we look at the facts?
http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/six-things-you-need-to-know-about-labours-mansion-tax

[user104658]

As said nobody 'hates rich people' let's not start a klass war...

Can we start an actual war against Myleene Klass? We could use drones! Or maybe a Tomahawk missile...

[joeysteele]

I'd have admired her a bit more had she rather than spout on about a mansion tax hitting Grannies,which was a pathetic statement to make and a very ill informed one at that too.
Had she then too highlighted the Grandparents who have had to give up their 2 bedroomed homes,possessions, even gardens due to the bedroom tax to move to 1 bedroom homes, which then makes having Grandchildren stay over not possible now.

These celebrities who make such misleading and prejudiced comments as to really important issues should learn from the expression, ''it is better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth closed rather than open it and remove all doubt', as she did on this programme.

Stupid and ignorant woman.

[Kizzy]

Can we start an actual war against Myleene Klass? We could use drones! Or maybe a Tomahawk missile...

No, let's not get silly I would never advocate violence against anyone because their views don't mirror my own.
My guess is she has been educated as to the reality of house prices in the capital now, unless she is actually living in a garage she paid 2million for :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I can't abide this woman.