Sexism and toys. Is Barbie a bad toy?

[lostalex]

I was reading an article about new dolls that are more realistic" than Barbie and as usual it was slamming Barbie. But as a young boy i had teenage mutant ninja turtle dolls(action figures) are boys toys really any more realistic than girls toys?

Why do so many women and liberals HATE Barbie so much?

[kirklancaster]

I was reading an article about new dolls that are more realistic" than Barbie and as usual it was slamming Barbie. But as a young boy i had teenage mutant ninja turtle dolls(action figures) are boys toys really any more realistic than girls toys?

Why do so many women and liberals HATE Barbie so much?

Because she represents the stereotypical ideal 'woman' image that they know they have no chance of 'measuring' up to if they are female, or ever 'capturing' if they are male.

It's been very telling when I have come across actual footage of some of these 'fem lib' and other groups, that the more physically further from the 'Barbie' image they are, the more extreme and vociferous are their views against her.

For that very same reason of 'not measuring up', I am vehemently against any groups entitled 'The Longer than a 4" Penis Club' or similar.

[lostalex]

well you make a good point. aren't a;; the comic book heroes that boys love growing up, super muscular, always brave, just as unrealistic for boys?

I grew up on comic books, especially x-men, and all the men in the comics have just as unrealistic bodies.

Besides Hugh Jackman(he really does look exactly like wolverine), I've never seen a man that actually looks like the characters from the x-men in real life.

[Northern Monkey]

Well i'm not Action Man but i don't want to ban him.Maybe little girls should only be allowed to play with Rosanne dolls then they can eat like pigs and aspire to be fat.That would be a healthy society eh?
Women are naturally jealous creatures,If it was'nt Barbie it would be something else.

[kirklancaster]

Well i'm not Action Man but i don't want to ban him.Maybe little girls should only be allowed to play with Rosanne dolls then they can eat like pigs and aspire to be fat.That would be a healthy society eh?
Women are naturally jealous creatures,If it was'nt Barbie it would be something else.


LOL (and scared at the same time, waiting for the fem backlash:hehe:)

[lostalex]

Well i'm not Action Man but i don't want to ban him.Maybe little girls should only be allowed to play with Rosanne dolls then they can eat like pigs and aspire to be fat.That would be a healthy society eh?
Women are naturally jealous creatures,If it was'nt Barbie it would be something else.

Oh please, men are just as jealous of other men, and just as competitive. Humans are jealous creatures.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Barbie never had eagle eyes, gripping hands or an AK47

she was crap

[lostalex]

Barbie never had eagle eyes, gripping hands or an AK47

she was crap

but she had hair that you could cut. you can't give action man a makeover.
I had 3 Barbies and they all ended up bald in the end.

[Northern Monkey]

Oh please, men are just as jealous of other men, and just as competitive. Humans are jealous creatures.

No,Women are more jelly.Always eyeing up the competition when they enter a room or making bitchy remarks about each other.I've heard them.Men don't generally look at another man appearance and start bitching,They tend to not give a crap in my experience.

[Crimson Dynamo]

but she had hair that you could cut. you can't give action man a makeover.
I had 3 Barbies and they all ended up bald in the end.

I eventually cut my action mens heads off and melted them with a mag glass and sunshine

[Niall]

Barbie isn't the only children's toy imbued with problems, most kids toys are inherently problematic. They're so encoded with rather toxic messages about gender. All the stereotypical boys toys lean toward this message of violence and being domineering, and all the toys targeted at girls are filled with vapid messages about consumerism and appearance.

That said though, Barbie is an absolutely awful toy. Her body is ridiculously proportioned giving girls a warped view on how women are supposed to look from the outset. Nearly all Barbie advertising focuses on the white, blonde Barbie over any variants that are people of colour, thereby excluding girls of colour. And finally there's the focus on shopping and homemaking in the Barbie line of toys and their advertising campaigns, a very restrictive set of ideas for girls.

And the above can be often be used as a general template for almost any girls toy, especially the latter two things I said. But most of all, the encouragement of nothing but homemaking, consumerism, and a heavy interest in appearance is something in complete contrast at toys for boys. Look at ads for toys targeted at boys and you'll see them often encourage things like creativity whilst using the toy - lego being a prime example of this - amongst other things. Girls toys just.. don't. It's one of the many, many problems with gender.

[Northern Monkey]

Barbie isn't the only children's toy imbued with problems, most kids toys are inherently problematic. They're so encoded with rather toxic messages about gender. All the stereotypical boys toys lean toward this message of violence and being domineering, and all the toys targeted at girls are filled with vapid messages about consumerism and appearance.

That said though, Barbie is an absolutely awful toy. Her body is ridiculously proportioned giving girls a warped view on how women are supposed to look from the outset. Nearly all Barbie advertising focuses on the white, blonde Barbie over any variants that are people of colour, thereby excluding girls of colour. And finally there's the focus on shopping and homemaking in the Barbie line of toys and their advertising campaigns, a very restrictive set of ideas for girls.

And the above can be often be used as a general template for almost any girls toy, especially the latter two things I said. But most of all, the encouragement of nothing but homemaking, consumerism, and a heavy interest in appearance is something in complete contrast at toys for boys. Look at ads for toys targeted at boys and you'll see them often encourage things like creativity whilst using the toy - lego being a prime example of this - amongst other things. Girls toys just.. don't. It's one of the many, many problems with gender.

I think you maybe over thinking it.It just so happens that boys and girls are not the same and they enjoy playing with different toys,Yes there are exceptions of Tom boys or boys who play with dolls but generally the toys are aimed at what boys and girls enjoy playing with.They actually want to sell these toys.

[lostalex]

I eventually cut my action mens heads off and melted them with a mag glass and sunshine


lol. i had a hot glue gun. all of my g.i. joes ended up being freaky mutants with new super powers by the time i was done with them. they needed to evolve in order to prepare for battle with my ninja turtles.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think you maybe over thinking it.It just so happens that boys and girls are not the same and they enjoy playing with different toys,Yes there are exceptions of Tom boys or boys who play with dolls but generally the toys are aimed at what boys and girls enjoy playing with.They actually want to sell these toys.

I had about 10 guns, penknives, catapults and fake grenades

mind you so did all boys

[arista]

Barbie never had eagle eyes, gripping hands or an AK47

she was crap



Thats what she needs


KaChing

[lostalex]

I had about 10 guns, penknives, catapults and fake grenades

mind you so did all boys

you also tried on your moms panties when your parents went out to dinner.

[arista]

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Barbie needs to sit on his lap

[kirklancaster]

I eventually cut my action mens heads off and melted them with a mag glass and sunshine

:joker::joker::joker:

I fecking knew you were a devil-worshipping serial killer.:hehe:

[kirklancaster]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oVk9F1FiQZs/Uupfpr4i-2I/AAAAAAAAqq0/sI8uR4Z9I9I/s1600/BREAKING-BAD-WALTER-WHITE.jpg

Barbie needs to sit on his lap

:joker::joker::joker:

And talk about the first thing that pops up? :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

you also tried on your moms panties when your parents went out to dinner.

:joker::joker::joker:

[arista]

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/spoons-with-barbie-doll-legs.jpg

A great use of the dolls

[arista]

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[kirklancaster]

and all the toys targeted at girls are filled with vapid messages about consumerism and appearance.

That said though, Barbie is an absolutely awful toy. Her body is ridiculously proportioned giving girls a warped view on how women are supposed to look from the outset. Nearly all Barbie advertising focuses on the white, blonde Barbie over any variants that are people of colour, thereby excluding girls of colour. And finally there's the focus on shopping and homemaking in the Barbie line of toys and their advertising campaigns, a very restrictive set of ideas for girls.

And the above can be often be used as a general template for almost any girls toy, especially the latter two things I said. But most of all, the encouragement of nothing but homemaking, consumerism, and a heavy interest in appearance is something in complete contrast at toys for boys. Look at ads for toys targeted at boys and you'll see them often encourage things like creativity whilst using the toy - lego being a prime example of this - amongst other things. Girls toys just.. don't. It's one of the many, many problems with gender.


The overall gist of your quite admirable post Niall, is that Barbie is the prototype Essex girl?

"Run Kirk, Run".

[kirklancaster]

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This is truly weird Arista. Does LT know his Love Child is loose? :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/spoons-with-barbie-doll-legs.jpg

A great use of the dolls

:shrug::shrug::shrug: -- Gives a whole new meaning to the terms; 'Spooning' and 'Forking topless'.

[kirklancaster]

I think you maybe over thinking it.It just so happens that boys and girls are not the same and they enjoy playing with different toys,Yes there are exceptions of Tom boys or boys who play with dolls but generally the toys are aimed at what boys and girls enjoy playing with.They actually want to sell these toys.

I was very poor as a child and didn't have any toys, so I just played with the girls instead. Much more enjoyable. :evilgrin:

[smudgie]

Ppppffffttttt.
Just buy the kids a good mix of toys.
They will play with what they enjoy, my two both played with each other's toys and ended up ok.
It's more about the time you spend with your kids, showing them the way In life than what's for sale at Toys R Us.

[smudgie]

I was very poor as a child and didn't have any toys, so I just played with the girls instead. Much more enjoyable. :evilgrin:

Poor kids had more fun :evilgrin:

[lostalex]

I was very poor as a child and didn't have any toys, so I just played with the girls instead. Much more enjoyable. :evilgrin:

by "girls" you mean small female children?

I think you win the award for creepiest most ****ed up post i've ever seen on TiBB. congrats.

[kirklancaster]

by "girls" you mean small female children?

I think you win the award for creepiest most ****ed up post i've ever seen on TiBB. congrats.

FFS You really need to take a chill pill. It was a fecking JOKE. And even if it wasn't, I would have been a child - the same age as the girls.

[lostalex]

FFS You really need to take a chill pill. It was a fecking JOKE. And even if it wasn't, I would have been a child - the same age as the girls.

umm, yea i would hope you were, otherwise it would have been a crime... but you fiddling little girls because you didn't have toys is still pretty ****ing creepy man. that's some ryan murphy american horror story stuff right there.

[kirklancaster]

Poor kids had more fun :evilgrin:

Retract this quickly Smudgie - You knew I was joking - I know you appreciated that I was joking because your response is in the same jocular manner, but LostAlex seems to think it's 'the creepiest fecked up post in the history of Tibb'.

:shrug::shrug::shrug:

[lostalex]

Retract this quickly Smudgie - You knew I was joking - I know you appreciated that I was joking because your response is in the same jocular manner, but LostAlex seems to think it's 'the creepiest fecked up post in the history of Tibb'.

:shrug::shrug::shrug:

you said it to be shocking, and you got a shocked response. don't play the victim now dude. whatever, this is just a forum. i'm nt saying you did anything wrong, i'm just saying it's creepy.

if you don't see how it's creepy then i'd really be worried about you. I know you just said it to be shocking.

[Liam-]

by "girls" you mean small female children?

I think you win the award for creepiest most ****ed up post i've ever seen on TiBB. congrats.

Definition of irony.

[lostalex]

Definition of irony.

go ahead, define it for us. don't leave us hanging...

i'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with a bitchy gay man that constantly attacks other gay men. That would definitely be ironic coming from you.

[kirklancaster]

umm, yea i would hope you were, otherwise it would have been a crime... but you fiddling little girls because you didn't have toys is still pretty ****ing creepy man. that's some ryan murphy american horror story stuff right there.

I give up Alex. I had toys. It was a joke. Nothing creepy about it at all.

Incidentally, young kids 'exploring' their own sexuality, and exploring the opposite sex or 'playing cheeky' is a universally recognised part of natural development.

All but in the USA apparently.

I actually deeply resent your original insinuation and your continuation of it. You are reading a distasteful and perverse element into what was harmless humour.

[Liam-]

go ahead, define it for us. don't leave us hanging...

i'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with a bitchy gay man that constantly attacks other gay men. That would definitely be ironic coming from you.

Christ, what time is over there? you seem a bit grumpy, are you tired :joker:

I'm just saying, Kirk's post was obviously a joke, whereas there have been some other seriously disturbing posts on here which haven't been jokes.. the majority of them coming from you :shrug:

[kirklancaster]

you said it to be shocking, and you got a shocked response. don't play the victim now dude. whatever, this is just a forum. i'm nt saying you did anything wrong, i'm just saying it's creepy.

if you don't see how it's creepy then i'd really be worried about you. I know you just said it to be shocking.


How the feck did I say it to be shocking? It was a joke.

The fact that you find it creepy says more about you than it does me.

[kirklancaster]

Christ, what time is over there? you seem a bit grumpy, are you tired :joker:

I'm just saying, Kirks post was obviously a joke, whereas there have been some other seriously disturbing posts on here which haven't been jokes.. the majority of them coming from you :shrug:

Thanks Liam - seriously. I'm actually a bit upset by this crap.

[kirklancaster]

go ahead, define it for us. don't leave us hanging...

i'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with a bitchy gay man that constantly attacks other gay men. That would definitely be ironic coming from you.

Why do you always have to get so very personal, aggressive and hostile with anyone who has a different perspective to yours?

You're obviously the one with deep seated problems.

[lostalex]

Christ, what time is over there? you seem a bit grumpy, are you tired :joker:

I'm just saying, Kirk's post was obviously a joke, whereas there have been some other seriously disturbing posts on here which haven't been jokes.. the majority of them coming from you :shrug:

it wasn't obviously a joke.

a flaming queen defending a homophobe as a team is quite funny though.

[Liam-]

Yep and this is where i leave.

[lostalex]

Why do you always have to get so very personal, aggressive and hostile with anyone who has a different perspective to yours?

You're obviously the one with deep seated problems.

yes. obviously. :hehe: :devil:

[kirklancaster]

it wasn't obviously a joke.

a flaming queen defending a homophobe as a team is quite funny though.

Now you really do need to see one of your famous psychoanalysts - I am anything but an 'Homophobe'. I would rather spend my time with Gay friends in Gay leisure spots than with any 'straight' people in 'straight' places. Where - in any of my posts on here - have I ever expressed homophobic views?

Grow up and chill Alex.

[kirklancaster]

Yep and this is where i leave.

Ditto.

[lostalex]

Now you really do need to see one of your famous psychoanalysts - I am anything but an 'Homophobe'. I would rather spend my time with Gay friends in Gay leisure spots than with any 'straight' people in 'straight' places. Where - in any of my posts on here - have I ever expressed homophobic views?

Grow up and chill Alex.

DON'T try to give me orders. You have no power here. and all homophobes are gay. I wasn't accusing you of being a hateful straight guy, silly thing. The opposite actually.

You need to grow up and get wise. You are far gayer than me. (and the fact that you'll read that as an insult proves that you are a homophobe)

[kirklancaster]

DON'T try to give me orders. You have no power here. and all homophobes are gay. I wasn't accusing you of being a hateful straight guy, silly thing. The opposite actually.

You need to grow up and get wise. You are far gayer than me. (and the fact that you'll read that as an insult proves that you are a homophobe)

Last Words From Kirk.

I have power on here - power to ignore you in future, and power to curtail this conversation. Byeeeee. :wavey: