UK : Illegal Man Clinging To Lorry Dies On M25

[arista]

In France they roll their dice
Lorrys must have new padlocks
so its hanging on under a lorry - which can be deadly.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/10/29/345731/default/v2/458032996-10-2-762x428.jpg
The chase,
keep up with the lorry in French port of Calais.


[A Illegal man thought to have travelled to
the UK clinging to the bottom of a lorry has died after falling beneath the vehicle's wheels on the M25.]

[Illegal man, from Sudan, is believed to have climbed underneath
the lorry in the French port of Calais.
Police are seeking witnesses to the incident, described
as a 'fatal fail-to-stop traffic collision', that took place at
7pm on Friday between junctions 24 and 25 of the M25 in Hertfordshire.
Scotland Yard said two men from Sudan are believed to have
got underneath a foreign HGV in Calais at around 11am and wedged themselves into place.]


http://news.sky.com/story/1391315/man-clinging-to-lorry-dies-on-m25

Fecking French Police
need to stop them


Sign Of The Times

[T*]

Don't be stupid and you wont die- Darwin award winner right here. Idiot.

[Samm]

It's his fault so I don't feel sorry for him

[arista]

It's his fault so I don't feel sorry for him


The thing is other Illegals have made it
hanging around moving bits
under Lorrys is so hard



He took the gamble and lost

[Creggle]

lolbai

[Ninastar]

i feel bad for him... imagine living somewhere horrible and just wanting a better life

what a way to go :sad:

[Shaun]

It's awful that he felt he needed to do that.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

lolbai

:umm2:

[Vicky.]

I dont get the need to pass through so many countries to get here if all they want is to be safe?

Anyway, its sad that he was this desperate but still...come on...

[Creggle]

:umm2:

Really appreciate the level of input you have in threads, idk what we'd all do without you.

[arista]

It's awful that he felt he needed to do that.


Loads more will do the same

BBC have filmed them with hidden under lorry stealth cameras


As Every Lorry must have new Padlocks
or Drivers get Big Fines.



They are all at the the French port
waiting to live here
as we are a soft touch

[Shaun]

Really appreciate the level of input you have in threads, idk what we'd all do without you.

yes, he should really aspire to a "lolbai" at least, so much integrity in that one.

[Dollface]

lolbai

My sentiments exactly :fan:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

shocker

[Cherie]

lolbai

Yet you complained about selling glue traps for mice :umm2:

[Tom4784]

I think it's incredibly sad, imagine being so desperate to escape from a country and being so afraid of being sent back that you'd risk such a horrible death for a chance of a better life.

[arista]

I think it's incredibly sad, imagine being so desperate to escape from a country and being so afraid of being sent back that you'd risk such a horrible death for a chance of a better life.


Sure Dezzy
but they get in here Illegal
no taxes
Illegal working
that Fecks up the UK

nothing at to do with what ukip say.

[Dollface]

Yet you complained about selling glue traps for mice :umm2:

People are loving the :umm2: emote today lmao

As someone who cares way more about animals than humans (not including my family of course) I understand where he's coming from

I'd get upset if i read about an innocent person dying or whatever, but this man bought it upon himself, i just can't feel any sympathy for him :(

& That's the massive difference between an innocent, unknowing mouse suffering by being caught in a horrific trap, and a human being reckless and clinging onto a lorry.

[Shaun]

Still doesn't really explain writing off this man's life with a "lolbai" but there you go...

[Dollface]

Still doesn't really explain writing off this man's life with a "lolbai" but there you go...

I don't care about his life

I don't even mean that in a nasty way, i just.. don't care

[Cherie]

People are loving the :umm2: emote today lmao

As someone who cares way more about animals than humans (not including my family of course) I understand where he's coming from

I'd get upset if i read about an innocent person dying or whatever, but this man bought it upon himself, i just can't feel any sympathy for him :(

& That's the massive difference between an innocent, unknowing mouse suffering by being caught in a horrific trap, and a human being reckless and clinging onto a lorry.

Lots of people die because of stupidity it doesnt make it less of a tragedy for his family and friends.

[AnnieK]

Stupid, brought it on himself, reckless....maybe but that aside what this man and all the others are willing to risk to escape tyranny and the nightmares they have to endure in their own country make this and others like it a very sad story. We have no idea as we live in a country where we can get mad about a mouse trap and not worry about homicidal regimes knocking at our doors.

[Northern Monkey]

Well....He won't try that again.
So he escaped his own country.What was his reason for wanting to escape France in such a hurry?.......Answer.....Benefits!
And
Wtf are the French border controls and police doing while all these illegals are running after lorries in Calais?Do they not arrest them?

[Ammi]

..poor guy, extremely tragic...

[Creggle]

So he escaped his own country.What was his reason for wanting to escape France in such a hurry?.......Answer.....Benefits!

Bingo! The legend has posted. All of the 'omg he is so desperate to escape Sudan he'd even do something like this waa waa' in this thread is AMAZING, thanks for the laughs :laugh2:

He escaped Sudan ages ago, he died in the UK because he wanted what no other EU country is dumb enough to give; housing, money and comfort to loungers.

yes, he should really aspire to a "lolbai" at least, so much integrity in that one.

The point was put across none the less ickle white knight. Not every post needs to be an essay.

shocker

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Yet you complained about selling glue traps for mice :umm2:

What is it with tibb and nonsensical comparisons? Seeing alot of them recently. An animal being killed for nothing is different from a dude killing himself, it's hard to care. As above had he been killed running from Sudan it would be a sad story, but that wasn't the case. He certainly didn't come to the UK for the beautiful weather.

':umm2:'

[AnnieK]

Bingo! The legend has posted. All of the 'omg he is so desperate to escape Sudan he'd even do something like this waa waa' in this thread is AMAZING, thanks for the laughs :laugh2:

He escaped Sudan ages ago, he died in the UK because he wanted what no other EU country is dumb enough to give; housing, money and comfort to loungers.



The point was put across none the less ickle white knight. Not every post needs to be an essay.



HAHAHAHAHAHA



What is it with tibb and nonsensical comparisons? Seeing alot of them recently. An animal being killed for nothing is different from a dude killing himself, it's hard to care. As above had he been killed running from Sudan it would be a sad story, but that wasn't the case. He certainly didn't come to the UK for the beautiful weather.

':umm2:'

To be fair the mice aren't killed for nothing......they are vermin that carry diseases that are easily communicable to humans, particularly children. They also cause a lot of damage to homes.....chewing through wiring etc etc

A loss of life is a loss of life IMO and should be treated as such

[Cherie]

To be fair the mice aren't killed for nothing......they are vermin that carry diseases that are easily communicable to humans, particularly children. They also cause a lot of damage to homes.....chewing through wiring etc etc

A loss of life is a loss of life IMO and should be treated as such

:clap2:

[Kizzy]

Stupid, brought it on himself, reckless....maybe but that aside what this man and all the others are willing to risk to escape tyranny and the nightmares they have to endure in their own country make this and others like it a very sad story. We have no idea as we live in a country where we can get mad about a mouse trap and not worry about homicidal regimes knocking at our doors.

A bit of perspective, I feel like this too.

[Nedusa]

Surprised he managed to kill himself falling off a lorry on the M25 , ave speed of 5mph thought he would probably wouldn't have even noticed.. Lol

Still to have made it that far and then fall at the final hurdle must be hard to take..

Quite sad really.




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[user104658]

Still to have made it that far and then fall at the final hurdle must be hard to take..




.

I don't imagine that anything is particularly "hard to take" when your brain is a 100 metre long red and grey smear...

[Creggle]

To be fair the mice aren't killed for nothing......they are vermin that carry diseases that are easily communicable to humans, particularly children. They also cause a lot of damage to homes.....chewing through wiring etc etc

A loss of life is a loss of life IMO and should be treated as such

It should be treated as such indeed, this topic is hardly something to celebrate but I personally find it difficult to care about every last person to the same degree, to me that isn't healthy. I'd much rather use my energy feeling bad about a story about somebodies wife with cancer for example, than wasting my time allowing an illegal immigrant looking for a free ride off of our countries back to weigh my conscience down.

I feel that the entire 'it's a person therefore it's tragic' mindset is what's allowing so much evil into the world but that's another topic entirely. Sympathizers probably think they are strong for the stances they take on various subjects but in reality they are weak and are to blame for the state society is in.

[Kizzy]

It should be treated as such indeed, this topic is hardly something to celebrate but I personally find it difficult to care about every last person to the same degree, to me that isn't healthy. I'd much rather use my energy feeling bad about a story about somebodies wife with cancer for example, than wasting my time allowing an illegal immigrant looking for a free ride off of our countries back to weigh my conscience down.

I feel that the entire 'it's a person therefore it's tragic' mindset is what's allowing so much evil into the world but that's another topic entirely. Sympathizers probably think they are strong for the stances they take on various subjects but in reality they are weak and are to blame for the state society is in.

Nobody's forcing you to care, if you have no interest in the topic in discussion... However your initial insensitive glib remark was both unwarranted and unnecessary.
I find your opinion almost inhumane if I'm honest, cherie raising the issue of the mousetrap was totally valid here, in fact you maybe didn't intend it but the feeling I get at times is that immigrants are seen as below invasive rats in the country.
The language you've used in your post highlighted prompted my view on this.

[Creggle]

Nobody's forcing you to care, if you have no interest in the topic in discussion... However your initial insensitive glib remark was both unwarranted and unnecessary.
I find your opinion almost inhumane if I'm honest, cherie raising the issue of the mousetrap was totally valid here, in fact you maybe didn't intend it but the feeling I get at times is that immigrants are seen as below invasive rats in the country.
The language you've used in your post highlighted prompted my view on this.

It was more of a case of wanting to put my point across but not caring enough to write a paragraph about it tbh, and to me immigrants are not below invasive rats. If you come in legit, do your 9-5 and be a good person then you have the same rights as anyone else here. Not sure where you got an anti-immigrant impression from tbh, though I think we do have an issue of overcrowding in the country, but I'm all for some useless born and bred Brits being tossed out aswell, the entire 'keep Britain British' viewpoint is laughable when you look at what British society is like :laugh: we need some outside influence if I'm honest.

@inhumane though... maybe... but being 'humane' (a ridiculous word in of itself imo) is in most peoples cases lacking the strength to think or do what needs to be done and it does nothing but enable people to do malicious things because there are no consequence for their actions. Although rats are more important than some people, like terrorists or criminals :smug:

[Scarlett.]

Bingo! The legend has posted. All of the 'omg he is so desperate to escape Sudan he'd even do something like this waa waa' in this thread is AMAZING, thanks for the laughs :laugh2:



HAHAHAHAHA He was so desperate to live that he risked his life trying to get into this country HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Kizzy]

It was more of a case of wanting to put my point across but not caring enough to write a paragraph about it tbh, and to me immigrants are not below invasive rats. If you come in legit, do your 9-5 and be a good person then you have the same rights as anyone else here. Not sure where you got an anti-immigrant impression from tbh, though I think we do have an issue of overcrowding in the country, but I'm all for some useless born and bred Brits being tossed out aswell, the entire 'keep Britain British' viewpoint is laughable when you look at what British society is like :laugh: we need some outside influence if I'm honest.

@inhumane though... maybe... but being 'humane' (a ridiculous word in of itself imo) is in most peoples cases lacking the strength to think or do what needs to be done and it does nothing but enable people to do malicious things because there are no consequence for their actions. Although rats are more important than some people, like terrorists or criminals :smug:

So you have seemingly inextricably linked illegal immigrants with terrorists and criminals....

Maybe the act if entering a country a country illegally is a criminal act, however we have not much concept as to what drives people to risk life and limb to do this.
If you feel it acceptable to dehumanise them and justify it in your mind that they are nothing more than a worthless drain on resources that's your prerogative, myself as a 'sympathiser' I'm weak and I'm more than happy to be weak.

[Vicky.]

HAHAHAHAHA He was so desperate to live that he risked his life trying to get into this country HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Is it that though? How many safe countries would he have to come through to get to us? :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

if its all so bad in the donor country how come its all the same profile of human that arrives, young males of the same age?

where are the women and kids and the older people?

[Vicky.]

if its all so bad in the donor country how come its all the same profile of human that arrives, young males of the same age?

where are the women and kids and the older people?

I think the reason its mostly guys is because they come here to work/obtain money to send back home to support their families. Our wages (even on the £2 or whatever per hour illegal immigrants get) are really high to them

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the reason its mostly guys is because they come here to work/obtain money to send back home to support their families. Our wages (even on the £2 or whatever per hour illegal immigrants get) are really high to them

The ones I see do not look like they are married, they are all young males yet to be married?

[JoshBB]

Thing is, they must be fleeing something horiffic to risk their lives in such a way. All lives matter, rest in peace to this man.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thing is, they must be fleeing something horiffic to risk their lives in such a way. All lives matter, rest in peace to this man.

or just looking to make more, easier money than they can back home

[MTVN]

if its all so bad in the donor country how come its all the same profile of human that arrives, young males of the same age?

where are the women and kids and the older people?

So, what, Sudan is actually a paradise and these are just a few young trouble makers? It isn't a country that has been plagued for decades by civil war, poverty and famine?

Young men evidently have a greater opportunity to escape their country than mothers with children or older people do, I'm sure the route from Sudan to France is an absolutely brutal voyage and many get lost along the way that we never hear about. Like Vicky says these men may either be married and hoping to send money back or they may be unmarried and therefore not have as many commitments to anyone back home

[Crimson Dynamo]

So, what, Sudan is actually a paradise and these are just a few young trouble makers? It isn't a country that has been plagued for decades by civil war, poverty and famine?

Young men evidently have a greater opportunity to escape their country than mothers with children or older people do, I'm sure the route from Sudan to France is an absolutely brutal voyage and many get lost along the way that we never hear about. Like Vicky says these men may either be married and hoping to send money back or they may be unmarried and therefore not have as many commitments to anyone back home

who is talking about Sudan?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The UK is not some refuge for folks who have sh1t countries.

[MTVN]

who is talking about Sudan?

The man was from Sudan

[Crimson Dynamo]

The man was from Sudan

That is grand but i was not talking about him specifically but the calais illegals in general.

[thesheriff443]

The UK is not some refuge for folks who have sh1t countries.

its all good saying that if your not one of them!

we don't get to choose the life country or color we are born into.

many people born is this country are murderers rapists and drug dealers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its all good saying that if your not one of them!

we don't get to choose the life country or color we are born into.

many people born is this country are murderers rapists and drug dealers.

again, that is grand but countries need to control and vet who we let in. there is a reason why the UK is attractive.

[arista]

That is grand but i was not talking about him specifically but the calais illegals in general.


Yes Fecking France does Feck All to stop them
if they are illegal France should send them back to the Nation they came from



The UK can not take them Illegals

[thesheriff443]

again, that is grand but countries need to control and vet who we let in. there is a reason why the UK is attractive.

what im saying if you where one of them you would be doing the same thing.

[T*]

honestly- If you do something so stupidly reckless like this and expect everything to be peachy then you have another thing coming. Don't do stupid things and you wont be regarded as dying stupidly.

[GiRTh]

The UK is not some refuge for folks who have sh1t countries.:joker:
Thats one way of looking at it on the other hand you could say isnt it great that so many people think they can have a better life in this country. :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:
Thats one way of looking at it on the other hand you could say isnt it great that so many people think they can have a better life in this country. :thumbs:

No, being an easy touch has no virtue

[GiRTh]

No, being an easy touch has no virtueIts just a different way at looking at the same thing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its just a different way at looking at the same thing.

The latter has an impact on our economy and makes people cross. I am sure that if you walked down a few kentish coastal town high streets and gauged their sympathy levels it would be very low.

[GiRTh]

The latter has an impact on our economy and makes people cross. I am sure that if you walked down a few kentish coastal town high streets and gauged their sympathy levels it would be very low.I'm sure you're right about the sympathy level in Kentish coastal towns but I was simply highlighting how people see the same things differently.:thumbs:

[Ammi]

..how lucky we are that we have hospitals..that we have schools, roads, homes, safe drainage etc..an opportunity to earn a wage...how lucky we are that most of us don't have to make any self-preserving decisions that could actually endanger our lives...but some countries don't have what we have and some people do have to make those decisions and do have to take risks that they should never have to, to risk their lives just to try to have a life that will give them something...how silly of them....

[MTVN]

..how lucky we are that we have hospitals..that we have schools, roads, homes, safe drainage etc..an opportunity to earn a wage...how lucky we are that most of us don't have to make any self-preserving decisions that could actually endanger our lives...but some countries don't have what we have and some people do have to make those decisions and do have to take risks that they should never have to, to risk their lives just to try to have a life that will give them something...how silly of them....

Yeah I think people lambasting him for being 'stupid' or 'reckless' are sort of missing the point. He wasn't doing this for fun or as a part of some game, I'm sure he knew full well the risks and that it was an incredibly dangerous thing to do, coming from a country like that you're going to have a greater appreciation than any of us about life's dangers and its difficulties. This was a risk he took which didn't pay off, he gambled with his life to get into this country because the alternative was considered so much worse.

[GiRTh]

..how lucky we are that we have hospitals..that we have schools, roads, homes, safe drainage etc..an opportunity to earn a wage...how lucky we are that most of us don't have to make any self-preserving decisions that could actually endanger our lives...but some countries don't have what we have and some people do have to make those decisions and do have to take risks that they should never have to, to risk their lives just to try to have a life that will give them something...how silly of them....
Well said :clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah I think people lambasting him for being 'stupid' or 'reckless' are sort of missing the point. He wasn't doing this for fun or as a part of some game, I'm sure he knew full well the risks and that it was an incredibly dangerous thing to do, coming from a country like that you're going to have a greater appreciation than any of us about life's dangers and its difficulties. This was a risk he took which didn't pay off, he gambled with his life to get into this country because the alternative was considered so much worse.

I disagree, I think he just was too poorly educated to realise the dangers. He was not desperate he was just too stupid.

[MTVN]

I disagree, I think he just was too poorly educated to realise the dangers. He was not desperate he was just too stupid.

You think that someone who has escaped a war torn country on an undoubtedly hazardous journey from Sudan to western Europe doesn't understand the danger of clinging to the bottom of a lorry?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You think that someone who has escaped a war torn country on an undoubtedly hazardous journey from Sudan to western Europe doesn't understand the danger of clinging to the bottom of a lorry?

Yes

[Livia]

I'd be interested to know how many "safe" countries he passed through on his was to attempting illegal entry to the UK. I'm guessing it was a lot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd be interested to know how many "safe" countries he passed through on his was to attempting illegal entry to the UK. I'm guessing it was a lot.

indeed

I guess we are "much more safer"

:idc:

[smudgie]

Maybe we are seen as the soft touch.

Perhaps if we changed that then we could say goodbye to the roadkill.

[T*]

I'd be interested to know how many "safe" countries he passed through on his was to attempting illegal entry to the UK. I'm guessing it was a lot.

:clap1:

[GiRTh]

I'd be interested to know how many "safe" countries he passed through on his was to attempting illegal entry to the UK. I'm guessing it was a lot.

Thats one way of looking at it but again you could say isnt it great he went thru so many countries to come to Britain.

[user104658]

Find it quite ridiculous that people seem to believe he'd want to be in Britain "for the benefits". To claim benefits he would have to legitimise his status in the country by officially seeking asylum to get "on the books" - it seems highly unlikely that someone who would risk themselves clinging to the bottom of a lorry is then going to risk declaring themselves as asylum seeking when they get here when it might well mean being sent straight back out of the country on the next flight.

No. He would not have been here to sit claiming benefits. More likely, he would be working for an unscrupulous employer for slave wages (usually £3 or so an hour).

With that in mind - the problem with the UK that is attracting ILLEGAL immigrants (to reiterate, illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits without revealing themselves!) is the fact that there are people employing them illegally for low wages. It's these employers (exploiters) who need to be cracked down on to stop Britain from being attractive to illegals. Not the benefits system.

[T*]

it's also really unfair on the drivers

[Vicky.]

Thats one way of looking at it but again you could say isnt it great he went thru so many countries to come to Britain.

Indeed. However passing through many safe countries kinda negates the 'he was scared for his life so came here' argument :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

some people.

as long as im alright jack attitude.
the west only go into third world countries to rape all its natural resources, screw the poor over and build a fcuk off mansion in another tax evading country.

[GiRTh]

Find it quite ridiculous that people seem to believe he'd want to be in Britain "for the benefits". To claim benefits he would have to legitimise his status in the country by officially seeking asylum to get "on the books" - it seems highly unlikely that someone who would risk themselves clinging to the bottom of a lorry is then going to risk declaring themselves as asylum seeking when they get here when it might well mean being sent straight back out of the country on the next flight.

No. He would not have been here to sit claiming benefits. More likely, he would be working for an unscrupulous employer for slave wages (usually £3 or so an hour).

With that in mind - the problem with the UK that is attracting ILLEGAL immigrants (to reiterate, illegal immigrants cannot claim benefits without revealing themselves!) is the fact that there are people employing them illegally for low wages. It's these employers (exploiters) who need to be cracked down on to stop Britain from being attractive to illegals. Not the benefits system.:clap1:

[MTVN]

Well presumably its felt that they have less chance of being deported from the UK, that they have more chances of dodging the authorities and think there are better opportunities open to them in Britain. You can argue thats a flaw in our system and that we're being too soft but the UK is obviously considered a more attractive destination than France. And when you've come that far I suppose the thinking is you might as well go that little bit further. The European leg is probably the least treacherous of their journey.

No one here is saying he and others like him should be encouraged or that he made a smart decision. But that doesn't mean you can't have some sympathy with someone losing their life in such a desperate way instead of cheerleading for it. There's fairly uncomfortable undertones to comparing an illegal immigrant to vermin or road-kill imo.

[Kizzy]

Well presumably its felt that they have less chance of being deported from the UK, that they have more chances of dodging the authorities and think there are better opportunities open to them in Britain. You can argue thats a flaw in our system and that we're being too soft but the UK is obviously considered a more attractive destination than France. And when you've come that far I suppose the thinking is you might as well go that little bit further. The European leg is probably the least treacherous of their journey.

No one here is saying he and others like him should be encouraged or that he made a smart decision. But that doesn't mean you can't have some sympathy with someone losing their life in such a desperate way instead of cheerleading for it. There's fairly uncomfortable undertones to comparing an illegal immigrant to vermin or road-kill imo.

:clap1::clap1:

[GiRTh]

Well presumably its felt that they have less chance of being deported from the UK, that they have more chances of dodging the authorities and think there are better opportunities open to them in Britain. You can argue thats a flaw in our system and that we're being too soft but the UK is obviously considered a more attractive destination than France. And when you've come that far I suppose the thinking is you might as well go that little bit further. The European leg is probably the least treacherous of their journey.

No one here is saying he and others like him should be encouraged or that he made a smart decision. But that doesn't mean you can't have some sympathy with someone losing their life in such a desperate way instead of cheerleading for it. There's fairly uncomfortable undertones to comparing an illegal immigrant to vermin or road-kill imo.:thumbs: