100 dead in shooting. 80 odd are children

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30491435

But dont worry or tweet or facebook etc

its only in Pakistan......



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30491435

[Cherie]

It certainly won't get the coverage that some non stories get. Poor kids.

[Kazanne]

I would have thought it would have been serious enough to have the wall to wall coverage that the Australian siege had , sad sign of the times.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would have thought it would have been serious enough to have the wall to wall coverage that the Australian siege had , sad sign of the times.

no one cares as its pakistan and things like that happen a lot



sad fact

[MTVN]

The BBC are doing a rolling news feed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-30491113

But yes it is true that in a country where terror attacks are a very real, likely even, threat every day it's not going to have the same shock value as when an attack disrupts our cosy western homes. RIP to those killed.

[Niamh.]

Jesus that's horrific and you're right, can you imagine if that happened in a western country? Point proven really how this thread has been open for over half an hour and has only a few replies where as that thread on the Sydney thing has had hundreds

[Vanessa]

Omg those poor little souls! :bawling:

[Kazanne]

Jesus that's horrific and you're right, can you imagine if that happened in a western country? Point proven really how this thread has been open for over half an hour and has only a few replies where as that thread on the Sydney thing has had hundreds

I was thinking the same Niamh(about the thread) all hell would have let loose if that had happened here, all that loss of life and young life and people don't seem to care.I'm ashamed really.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1392664/pakistan-taliban-kill-126-in-school-raid


Over 80 of them children



Taliban soon to take back Afghanistan


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/16/article-1cc7cc83-e6cf-418b-9950-8b2f3f23760f-6UrLhjfcRHSK2-674_634x472.jpg

[Vanessa]

:sad::bawling:

[arista]

I myself ,will not call them Militants
they are Evil Terrorists going for children who can not fight back


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/16/24163A7100000578-2875729-image-a-25_1418721540232.jpg
One Lad getting help after a leg wound

[Kizzy]

Jesus that's horrific and you're right, can you imagine if that happened in a western country? Point proven really how this thread has been open for over half an hour and has only a few replies where as that thread on the Sydney thing has had hundreds

Ditto to this.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I would have thought it would have been serious enough to have the wall to wall coverage that the Australian siege had , sad sign of the times.

This why although those events were sad my heart just wasn't in it to follow it this time.

[Scarlett.]

Sad news :sad:

[mizzy25]

what the hell is wrong with these people? I mean why???

[MTVN]

Looks like the attack could serve as a gamechanger in purging Taliban sympathies from politics and the army:

This attack is a retaliation against the Pakistan army. For the last few months the Pakistan army has intensified its offensive in tribal areas against the Pakistan Taliban and now the Pakistan Taliban has given its response. For years politicians have hesitated to back the army campaign against the Pakistan Taliban, but this attack might change that. Within hours of the attack Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif gave an uncharacteristically clear statement against the attackers. And the opposition leader Imran Khan called off a lockdown he had planned for the 18 December. It may be that by killing too many children, the Pakistan Taliban has managed to unite the politicians and the army.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-30491113

[Niamh.]

Well lets hope something good will happen because of this tragedy atleast ^

[Nedusa]

The problem for major News networks is that attacks like this happen almost weekly in these areas of Pakistan so to give one of these stories major News coverage would necessitate giving the same coverage for all of them and if that happened no other news would have time to be reported just attacks/explosions/death/suicide bombers/Taliban in Pakistan.

Shame as it cheapens the terrible loss of life and plays down the sheer scale and frequency of these attacks.

It certainly smacks of "double standards", inferring that loss of life is not newsworthy if it's Pakistan.




.

[kirklancaster]

Sheer mind-numbingly horrific. I have stated in many lengthy posts my view that these terrorists are purely evil, not human, and need totally eradicating to a man. How can I be wrong?

No human being would slaughter poor innocent, defenseless children like this.

I hope with all my heart and soul that this is the catalyst which shock the Pakistani nation out of their complacency, and that grief for the victims and their families will turn to anger against the perpetrators. Then might we see a deep cleansing of their police, security and armed forces - even the government itself - of their many terrorist sympathisers, and a new resolve to wipe out the terrorists themselves.

I pray for these poor children and their families.

[arista]

"No human being would slaughter poor innocent, defenseless children like this. "

Yes Thats why my thread had the Correct Title
they are Terrorists+

Pakistan : Terrorist Taliban Kill 126 In School Raid



LT's title
says nothing

[Creggle]

How on Earth can somebody shoot a child? Surely there is that 'wow this is so so wrong' thought going through their minds before they pull the trigger... I don't care how far gone you are in the head, nobody can do this and sleep at night

Not surprised these spineless cowards target such defenseless people though, can we please just have a mass exodus of our troops back to the middle east and kill everyone of these worthless stnuc? 90% of our troops and America's on a full offense there is no fighting that, stick the rest on our streets, get China and Russia involved, throw in some mercs for overkill....

[Crimson Dynamo]

"No human being would slaughter poor innocent, defenseless children like this. "

Yes Thats why my thread had the Correct Title
they are Terrorists+

Pakistan : Terrorist Taliban Kill 126 In School Raid



LT's title
says nothing

To be honest the thread was not so much about the incident as to how something like this plays out media wise against the Sydney thing

The hierarchy of death as it were

[Livia]

So... how much longer do these disgusting excuses for human beings get the same rights and privileges as decent people? The security services know who they are, they know where most of them are and those they don't, they know where their families are. Time to start rounding them up.

[Dollface]

Those poor children :(

It's one thing for those evil creatures to murder adults, but to target innocent children is utterly disgusting

[arista]

The Taliban say the Pakistan Army
has killed their children

So its Revenge

[Mystic Mock]

Why target innocent kids? In fact why not target Military Bases and Government Facilities if they feel that they have to fight back in this way?

And btw never let anyone in your family know that I showed Humanity.

[arista]

Why target innocent kids? In fact why not target Military Bases and Government Facilities if they feel that they have to fight back in this way?

And btw never let anyone in your family know that I showed Humanity.


Because they are at a Army Base
Children of the Troops

[Creggle]

Why target innocent kids? In fact why not target Military Bases and Government Facilities if they feel that they have to fight back in this way?

And btw never let anyone in your family know that I showed Humanity.

Because children can't fight back, the Taliban are weak cowards and cannot win a straight up fight, they either kill you with a trap or attack those who are incapable of defending themselves.

[Mystic Mock]

Because they are at a Army Base
Children of the Troops

But it's not the kids fault for whatever injustice they feel has happened to them, the same for those terrorists that was going for the people in Sydney.

[arista]

But it's not the kids fault for whatever injustice they feel has happened to them, the same for those terrorists that was going for the people in Sydney.


The Taliban say the Army has killed their children
so its revenge

[Mystic Mock]

Yes and the Taliban should be getting revenge on the people that killed their kids, not kill another group of kids.

[arista]

Yes and the Taliban should be getting revenge on the people that killed their kids, not kill another group of kids.


But those kids are from the Army parents

[Mystic Mock]

But those kids are from the Army parents

They can't help who their parents are.

[arista]

They can't help who their parents are.


What about the Taliban kids?


same problem



Army has now sent Jets
to kill even more

It will, sadly
never end.

[Livia]

I can't quite agree with the suggestion that if the Taliban wanted "revenge" then they should have done this to soldiers and government officials. It seems like some people think that terrorists have some kind of right to behave like this. They don't. Germans did terrible things to Jews a couple of generations ago. How many Jews have opened up with automatic weapons in German schools since then? How many Jews have blown themselves up in German shopping centres? How many Jews have held Germans hostage and cut off their heads on camera? None. There is no excuse for terrorism.

[kirklancaster]

I can't quite agree with the suggestion that if the Taliban wanted "revenge" then they should have done this to soldiers and government officials. It seems like some people think that terrorists have some kind of right to behave like this. They don't. Germans did terrible things to Jews a couple of generations ago. How many Jews have opened up with automatic weapons in German schools since then? How many Jews have blown themselves up in German shopping centres? How many Jews have held Germans hostage and cut off their heads on camera? None. There is no excuse for terrorism.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:Such fecking sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can't quite agree with the suggestion that if the Taliban wanted "revenge" then they should have done this to soldiers and government officials. It seems like some people think that terrorists have some kind of right to behave like this. They don't. Germans did terrible things to Jews a couple of generations ago. How many Jews have opened up with automatic weapons in German schools since then? How many Jews have blown themselves up in German shopping centres? How many Jews have held Germans hostage and cut off their heads on camera? None. There is no excuse for terrorism.

excellent point

[Kazanne]

I can't quite agree with the suggestion that if the Taliban wanted "revenge" then they should have done this to soldiers and government officials. It seems like some people think that terrorists have some kind of right to behave like this. They don't. Germans did terrible things to Jews a couple of generations ago. How many Jews have opened up with automatic weapons in German schools since then? How many Jews have blown themselves up in German shopping centres? How many Jews have held Germans hostage and cut off their heads on camera? None. There is no excuse for terrorism.

:worship::clap1::clap1:

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/12/16/357108/default/v1/17dec1national01-1-720x960.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/12/16/357114/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-17.12.14-1-720x960.jpg

[kirklancaster]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/12/16/357108/default/v1/17dec1national01-1-720x960.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/12/16/357114/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-17.12.14-1-720x960.jpg

fecking evil devils.

[Mystic Mock]

I can't quite agree with the suggestion that if the Taliban wanted "revenge" then they should have done this to soldiers and government officials. It seems like some people think that terrorists have some kind of right to behave like this. They don't. Germans did terrible things to Jews a couple of generations ago. How many Jews have opened up with automatic weapons in German schools since then? How many Jews have blown themselves up in German shopping centres? How many Jews have held Germans hostage and cut off their heads on camera? None. There is no excuse for terrorism.

Tbf that's because the Germans ended up getting defeated 6 years into the War, if Hitler had've had his way then Germany would be ruling all of us right now and I definitely think that some of the Jewish would've fought back with bombs as they would've been outnumbered man for man, and financially Germany would've been the strongest in the world more than likely so they would've had stronger firearms, there would've been no choice for the Jewish.

The same for the Taliban really, only they're targetting the wrong people.

[GypsyGoth]

Another nightmare before christmas from islamic extremists :sad:

[Livia]

Tbf that's because the Germans ended up getting defeated 6 years into the War, if Hitler had've had his way then Germany would be ruling all of us right now and I definitely think that some of the Jewish would've fought back with bombs as they would've been outnumbered man for man, and financially Germany would've been the strongest in the world more than likely so they would've had stronger firearms, there would've been no choice for the Jewish.

The same for the Taliban really, only they're targetting the wrong people.

So you think these "freedom fighters" have no choice, but they're targeting the wrong people? So you'd feel better about them if they were targeting... who exactly? They are terrorists. Their whole raison d'etre is to cause terror in order to get what they want. Everyone is a legitimate target for a terrorist.

Incidentally, if Germany had won the war there would be no Jews.

[Creggle]

Tbf that's because the Germans ended up getting defeated 6 years into the War, if Hitler had've had his way then Germany would be ruling all of us right now and I definitely think that some of the Jewish would've fought back with bombs as they would've been outnumbered man for man, and financially Germany would've been the strongest in the world more than likely so they would've had stronger firearms, there would've been no choice for the Jewish.

The same for the Taliban really, only they're targetting the wrong people.

Mate I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. If Hitler won the war and controlled the world, yes the Jews might feel they have to resort to below the belt tactics but you know why they'd do this? To survive, Hitler would be hunting them in to extinction, he'd want to commit genocide against their entire religious populace.

Now for the Taliban. Who the **** is trying to exterminate all the Muslims???? :think: What is causing them to commit acts of terror? Retaliations for attacks against them? Why were they attacked? Because they randomly started killing innocent civilians in their own country. This comparison man... Quite annoying

[kirklancaster]

Mate I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. If Hitler won the war and controlled the world, yes the Jews might feel they have to resort to below the belt tactics but you know why they'd do this? To survive, Hitler would be hunting them in to extinction, he'd want to commit genocide against their entire religious populace.

Now for the Taliban. Who the **** is trying to exterminate all the Muslims???? :think: What is causing them to commit acts of terror? Retaliations for attacks against them? Why were they attacked? Because they randomly started killing innocent civilians in their own country. This comparison man... Quite annoying

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

So you think these "freedom fighters" have no choice, but they're targeting the wrong people? So you'd feel better about them if they were targeting... who exactly? They are terrorists. Their whole raison d'etre is to cause terror in order to get what they want. Everyone is a legitimate target for a terrorist.

Incidentally, if Germany had won the war there would be no Jews.

And Thank God they didn't because you wouldn't have been here for me to have a crush on. :blush:

Come to think of it - I wouldn't be here either being mixed race. :bawling:

[joeysteele]

I can't quite agree with the suggestion that if the Taliban wanted "revenge" then they should have done this to soldiers and government officials. It seems like some people think that terrorists have some kind of right to behave like this. They don't. Germans did terrible things to Jews a couple of generations ago. How many Jews have opened up with automatic weapons in German schools since then? How many Jews have blown themselves up in German shopping centres? How many Jews have held Germans hostage and cut off their heads on camera? None. There is no excuse for terrorism.


For sure there isn't Livia,what a truly fantastic and thought provoking post from you above too.
I agree with all you say 100%

[Mystic Mock]

So you think these "freedom fighters" have no choice, but they're targeting the wrong people? So you'd feel better about them if they were targeting... who exactly? They are terrorists. Their whole raison d'etre is to cause terror in order to get what they want. Everyone is a legitimate target for a terrorist.

Incidentally, if Germany had won the war there would be no Jews.

I'm saying that the Taliban if they're going to exist should be becoming more like freedom fighters than terrorists, I'm sorry but killing really corrupt Politicians in those countries, and Military Soldiers that work for them is not terrorism imo, attacking innocent people, especially children that are only going to School is where I draw the line and it starts to become terrorism and why terrorist groups like the Taliban lose their cause to the me and the rest of the world straight away.

And even if the Jewish had've been wiped out by the Germans, some of the other invaded nations probably would've attacked them instead.

[Mystic Mock]

Mate I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. If Hitler won the war and controlled the world, yes the Jews might feel they have to resort to below the belt tactics but you know why they'd do this? To survive, Hitler would be hunting them in to extinction, he'd want to commit genocide against their entire religious populace.

Now for the Taliban. Who the **** is trying to exterminate all the Muslims???? :think: What is causing them to commit acts of terror? Retaliations for attacks against them? Why were they attacked? Because they randomly started killing innocent civilians in their own country. This comparison man... Quite annoying

I was just saying that if the Taliban feel like the Governments are corrupt should be stopped then they're going the wrong way about it imo.

And I wasn't the one that originally brought WWII into this thread initially.

[Ammi]

A 14-year-old, Mehran Khan, said about 400 students were in the hall when the gunmen broke through the doors and started shooting. They shot one of the teachers in the head and then set her on fire and shouted "God is great!" as she screamed



..this is mind numbingly evil...I don't even know why they're referred to as terrorists, they're just murderers...

[kirklancaster]

A 14-year-old, Mehran Khan, said about 400 students were in the hall when the gunmen broke through the doors and started shooting. They shot one of the teachers in the head and then set her on fire and shouted "God is great!" as she screamed

..this is mind numbingly evil...I don't even know why they're referred to as terrorists, they're just murderers...

Should monsters that can act with such detached, intense evil, ever really be categorised as human Ammi?

[Ammi]

Should monsters that can act with such detached, intense evil, ever really be categorised as human Ammi?

..sadly yes, Kirk because they are human...no animal, nothing other than a human would ever do something like this...

[Cherie]

..sadly yes, Kirk because they are human...no animal, nothing other than a human would ever do something like this...

:clap2: They are deranged, insane humans filled will hatred and rage.

[Ammi]

:clap2: They are deranged, insane humans filled will hatred and rage.

..it's odd really/just a thought I guess...but hate as an emotion is so much more 'contagious' than the opposite of love..people can instil and encourage/nurture hate ..manipulate it from a seed that was maybe just negative but not the extreme of hate...and yet tolerance/love etc, positive feelings can't be manipulated in the same way...maybe humans are more predisposed to be negative/interesting...

[arista]

Should monsters that can act with such detached, intense evil, ever really be categorised as human Ammi?

Yes Kirk Evil
but so are the Pakistan Army and USA
who kill the Taliban children

[user104658]

..it's odd really/just a thought I guess...but hate as an emotion is so much more 'contagious' than the opposite of love..people can instil and encourage/nurture hate ..manipulate it from a seed that was maybe just negative but not the extreme of hate...and yet tolerance/love etc, positive feelings can't be manipulated in the same way...maybe humans are more predisposed to be negative/interesting...

I fear that this is the sad truth. The vast majority of people, people who you had thought were good/righteous and morally upstanding, will turn on you in an instant when you tell them something that they didn't want to hear or that "makes them feel bad". And then they will set about telling others just what they think, in hopes that they might make them turn too. This is human nature. This is exactly what makes it so easy for these people - the people at the top, with political agendas, who have never picked up a gun or set foot in a terrorist encampment in their lives - to twist people into all sorts of things.

Incidentally, and something that I've been trying to say at various times for DAYS on here - it's exactly why it's so counter-productive to insist on calling these people "monsters", "not human", "genetically flawed". Maybe desperately trying to insist that they are "less than human" helps people to come to terms with the fact that humans do horrendous things every day. I don't know. That's something I accepted a long time ago. What I do know, is that all it leads to is THIS:

"Look. Look at what THEY think of you. They think we are inferior. They think we are less than human. They would see us exterminated like rats. We will stop them. Join us."

[Ammi]

I fear that this is the sad truth. The vast majority of people, people who you had thought were good/righteous and morally upstanding, will turn on you in an instant when you tell them something that they didn't want to hear or that "makes them feel bad". And then they will set about telling others just what they think, in hopes that they might make them turn too. This is human nature. This is exactly what makes it so easy for these people - the people at the top, with political agendas, who have never picked up a gun or set foot in a terrorist encampment in their lives - to twist people into all sorts of things.

Incidentally, and something that I've been trying to say at various times for DAYS on here - it's exactly why it's so counter-productive to insist on calling these people "monsters", "not human", "genetically flawed". Maybe desperately trying to insist that they are "less than human" helps people to come to terms with the fact that humans do horrendous things every day. I don't know. That's something I accepted a long time ago. What I do know, is that all it leads to is THIS:

"Look. Look at what THEY think of you. They think we are inferior. They think we are less than human. They would see us exterminated like rats. We will stop them. Join us."

..yeah I can understand what you're saying...I guess it's a bit like the 'pack'/bully thing to a total extreme or taking it to it's ultimate..?..also I think fear as well in some cases maybe..?...fear for themselves and their families if they don't become part of it and yeah, if we are horrendous back then it won't end or diminish anything, it'll not only inflame it but it also gives it 'justification' or reaffirms what is thought justified anyway...but if the opposite were to happen, like say a group who said..hey, let's all hug/love each other..(I know that sounds naff nut I can't think of an example..)...a lot of people and possible most people would thing....what loonies for goodness sake....

[Livia]

I'm saying that the Taliban if they're going to exist should be becoming more like freedom fighters than terrorists, I'm sorry but killing really corrupt Politicians in those countries, and Military Soldiers that work for them is not terrorism imo, attacking innocent people, especially children that are only going to School is where I draw the line and it starts to become terrorism and why terrorist groups like the Taliban lose their cause to the me and the rest of the world straight away.

And even if the Jewish had've been wiped out by the Germans, some of the other invaded nations probably would've attacked them instead.

Sorry Mock, I think you're at least a couple of parsecs off target on this one.

[Livia]

I fear that this is the sad truth. The vast majority of people, people who you had thought were good/righteous and morally upstanding, will turn on you in an instant when you tell them something that they didn't want to hear or that "makes them feel bad". And then they will set about telling others just what they think, in hopes that they might make them turn too. This is human nature. This is exactly what makes it so easy for these people - the people at the top, with political agendas, who have never picked up a gun or set foot in a terrorist encampment in their lives - to twist people into all sorts of things.

Incidentally, and something that I've been trying to say at various times for DAYS on here - it's exactly why it's so counter-productive to insist on calling these people "monsters", "not human", "genetically flawed". Maybe desperately trying to insist that they are "less than human" helps people to come to terms with the fact that humans do horrendous things every day. I don't know. That's something I accepted a long time ago. What I do know, is that all it leads to is THIS:

"Look. Look at what THEY think of you. They think we are inferior. They think we are less than human. They would see us exterminated like rats. We will stop them. Join us."

When these... men - and I use the term in its loosest possible sense - go in to a school and kill children, I refuse to pussyfoot around and choose my language carefully in case it might be a bit inflammatory. They are monsters. And of course, the opposite of stopping them is allowing them to continue unchecked until all of us - every one of us, even the understanding ones - end up in their crosshairs.

[Northern Monkey]

***** these Islamic child killing bastards.They need slaughtering like pigs.Whatever they are classed as,Terrorists,Murderers,Monsters whatever....

[Creggle]

I was just saying that if the Taliban feel like the Governments are corrupt should be stopped then they're going the wrong way about it imo.

And I wasn't the one that originally brought WWII into this thread initially.

I know mate and you may be right, but Taliban vs the Middle-East is nothing like Jews vs Hitler!! Besides terrorists don't fight to make anything better or to bring peace/change ideals, they do what they do because they enjoy it.

[user104658]

When these... men - and I use the term in its loosest possible sense - go in to a school and kill children, I refuse to pussyfoot around and choose my language carefully in case it might be a bit inflammatory. They are monsters. And of course, the opposite of stopping them is allowing them to continue unchecked until all of us - every one of us, even the understanding ones - end up in their crosshairs.

Even if refusing to be more careful with your language leads to the deaths of yet more children? I fail to see your logic there. I've said time and again that it's not about appeasing the people who are doing these things, it's about being VERY careful not to "tar with the same brush" in broad strokes, because that only helps to create more of these men.

I have literally never once said that these people don't need to be stopped. If I had one of those who walked into that school tied up in a room, I'd make it hurt before they died. A lot. That was never the point. And my point in pointing out that they ARE indeed human isn't to appease anyone or to make them seem "better than monsters" - just pointing out that calling them "monsters", "demons", etc. is simply running away from the truth. The truth being that they don't NEED to be monsters or demons... because plain old human beings are ****ing awful creatures. Until people start admitting that, no peace nor enlightenment will ever be found. We will never be better, if we can't admit how bad we can be. If we immediately jump to the notion that the worst of us are, in fact, a different species entirely.

It might make news stories like this easier (not easy, but easier) to swallow, but when it comes down to it, it's simply a lie. They are people. They are awful, disgusting people. There are A LOT of awful, disgusting people in the world.

[kirklancaster]

Even if refusing to be more careful with your language leads to the deaths of yet more children? I fail to see your logic there. I've said time and again that it's not about appeasing the people who are doing these things, it's about being VERY careful not to "tar with the same brush" in broad strokes, because that only helps to create more of these men.

I have literally never once said that these people don't need to be stopped. If I had one of those who walked into that school tied up in a room, I'd make it hurt before they died. A lot. That was never the point. And my point in pointing out that they ARE indeed human isn't to appease anyone or to make them seem "better than monsters" - just pointing out that calling them "monsters", "demons", etc. is simply running away from the truth. The truth being that they don't NEED to be monsters or demons... because plain old human beings are ****ing awful creatures. Until people start admitting that, no peace nor enlightenment will ever be found. We will never be better, if we can't admit how bad we can be. If we immediately jump to the notion that the worst of us are, in fact, a different species entirely.

It might make news stories like this easier (not easy, but easier) to swallow, but when it comes down to it, it's simply a lie. They are people. They are awful, disgusting people. There are A LOT of awful, disgusting people in the world.

Is 'Truth' when it comes to these butchering, murdering terrorists 'The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name'?' (apologies to Oscar)

Because I do not grasp your point T.S. that calling them 'Monsters' or 'Demons' will somehow lead to them gaining more recruits to their evil cause - it won't.

Ordinary sane people - Muslim or otherwise - do not drop their chintz cups of tea, grab their coats and passports, then shoot out of their suburban homes and catch the next flight to Syria to become Islamic Fundamentalist Jihadists just because someone called ISIS terrorists 'monsters' or 'Demons'.

Nor will calling them such names offend terrorist sensibilities - they have none.

As I have detailed in another response to you on another thread; 'Monsters' and 'Demons' are descriptors which people like me, Livia and Eyeball Paul and Creggle use because that is what we perceive them as, and because synonyms for such words are too impotent to describe these devils.

You, yourself even struggle to find apt descriptors, because your choice of 'Awful' and 'Disgusting' does not quite 'cut it' when describing the callous beheading of cowed and bound innocent victims, or the cold execution of hundreds of poor little innocent schoolchildren, does it?

No - it doesn't. In fact such words would be more apt if they tumbled forth from the lips of some sexually repressed middle-aged spinster after viewing a soft porn film.

[Livia]

Even if refusing to be more careful with your language leads to the deaths of yet more children? I fail to see your logic there. I've said time and again that it's not about appeasing the people who are doing these things, it's about being VERY careful not to "tar with the same brush" in broad strokes, because that only helps to create more of these men.

I have literally never once said that these people don't need to be stopped. If I had one of those who walked into that school tied up in a room, I'd make it hurt before they died. A lot. That was never the point. And my point in pointing out that they ARE indeed human isn't to appease anyone or to make them seem "better than monsters" - just pointing out that calling them "monsters", "demons", etc. is simply running away from the truth. The truth being that they don't NEED to be monsters or demons... because plain old human beings are ****ing awful creatures. Until people start admitting that, no peace nor enlightenment will ever be found. We will never be better, if we can't admit how bad we can be. If we immediately jump to the notion that the worst of us are, in fact, a different species entirely.

It might make news stories like this easier (not easy, but easier) to swallow, but when it comes down to it, it's simply a lie. They are people. They are awful, disgusting people. There are A LOT of awful, disgusting people in the world.

If more children die it won't because I called the people responsible murdering f*c*pigs. It will be because the people responsible are murdering f*c*pigs.

If someone walks into a school, slaughters children, set teachers on fire and all the other terrible things they did, I reserve the right to call them monsters. And yes, there are a lot of awful people in the world... and these child-killers rank amongst the worst.

[user104658]

If more children die it won't because I called the people responsible murdering f*c*pigs. It will be because the people responsible are murdering f*c*pigs.

If someone walks into a school, slaughters children, set teachers on fire and all the other terrible things they did, I reserve the right to call them monsters. And yes, there are a lot of awful people in the world... and these child-killers rank amongst the worst.
Patronising **** alert:

You're smarter than this, Livia. Smart enough to know that doing everything we can to stop young people who are not YET flockpigs from falling into the hands of the current flockpigs who would work their magic to turn them into new flockpigs, is far more important than despairing and ranting in the unthinkable aftermath. That actually benefits no one.

[Livia]

Patronising **** alert:

You're smarter than this, Livia. Smart enough to know that doing everything we can to stop young people who are not YET flockpigs from falling into the hands of the current flockpigs who would work their magic to turn them into new flockpigs, is far more important than despairing and ranting in the unthinkable aftermath. That actually benefits no one.

Totally agree. Doesn't stop me hating these particular child killers and hoping the spend the rest of eternity paying for what they did. Decent, law-abiding Muslims will feel the same, I imagine, seeing what atrocities these people are carrying out in the name of their God. Sometimes ranting in the aftermath is a release.

Thanks for the alert... genuinely made me LOL