if there are no GP appointments is it justified to call a ambulance ?

[waterhog]

thank you ambulance callers - having no GP appointments is to blame - carry on 18.12.14

i am using psychology
and the power of reverse
some may feel there is a failure in my brain biology
and that i really need to see a nurse.
but i did warn
a rhyme is my proof
getting a GP's appointment is as safe as porn
that's why A&E as well has a full roof.
you can not silence
this crisis is a self inflicted bandage
unless the GP appointment system has a radical form of violence ( big shake up means)
on the UK streets there will be carnage.
if you can not get help
then out of the box you have to think
because they are not listening to your yelp
calling a ambulance is your only link.
the UK is the forth richest nation
we have more money then rain
can you see my aggravation
its a premeditated pain.
to survive you have to use ambience
the government will watch you bleed
if there is no appointment then its the ambulance
when everyone does it, we might get a GP service we all need.

( do you have a problem getting a GP appointment ? are you tempted to call for a ambulance ? is this disgusting or is this the way we have to go to get something we all need and expect ? reply's have to rhyme and if anyone puts the comment and i quote "nurse he is out " well there will be a vile poem brewing. )

[Cherie]

No I would never be tempted to call an ambulance as if you feel a GP can deal with your illness then an ambulance is not warranted and someone who really needs one could die while they are dealing with your manflu, There are walk in clinics you could try or call NHS direct or go and see your pharmacist for advice. This post has made me quite :fist:

[user104658]

If you feel like a GP can deal with your ailment then you probably don't need to see anyone at all. People go to gps for every sniffle or cough, it's pathetic.

If it's an emergency, go to hospital. Otherwise, make an appointment for 2 or 3 weeks time, give your body a chance to do its job and heal itself, if it does (it probably will) then cancel the appointment. If not, then go at the time you booked.

[Marsh.]

No, it bloody well isn't justified.

Bad enough when ambulances are all taken by drunken idiots when people who genuinely need them have to wait. :fist:

[kirklancaster]

No, it bloody well isn't justified.

Bad enough when ambulances are all taken by drunken idiots when people who genuinely need them have to wait. :fist:

This.

Yes. And Ambulances full of O.D-ing druggies. And police cars taxi-ing drunks home.

Why can't this idiots use some sense and get pissed and shoot up just outside the hospital main doors, then they wouldn't need an ambulance.:shrug: :joker:

[Northern Monkey]

No.I'd go to hospital before calling an ambulance.

[Livia]

I would never call an ambulance unless it was an emergency. My father was a paramedic... he got called out to all sorts of nonsense including a man who'd cut his finger opening a tin and a woman whose wedding ring was too tight.

[waterhog]

livia - i am not convicting myself - but i might have proposed to her ? what did she look like ? did she scream like a opera singer ? did she look like linda from gimmi gimmi gimmi ?

if none of these are proof it was one of my luck escapes the final proof will be the ring ?

i can describe it in detail as i got it from a kinda egg - if you want i can private message you to prove it so whole world does not no what a lucky escape i had and give you a full description ?

[Firewire]

Depends on the seriousness... there's minor injury departments at most hospitals. Ambulances are only warranted in an emergency.

[joeysteele]

I would say no, it depends on what you are ringing for really and also to be fair to people, some may not realise how serious their symptoms or condition are.

However, if you are seeking a GP appointment and cannot get one, then in the main it isn't right to call an ambulance.

I knew someone at Uni who didn't feel well and rang to get a GP appointment,they couldn't get one for over a week and he was quite ill.
After about a 3 hours he hadn't got better and was far worse so we called an ambulance and once at the hospital it was found he was bleeding internally.
So really you never know what is wrong.

It is sadly the case I agree where a good number of people dial the emergency number for really silly reasons as outlined in some posts above.

[the truth]

depends on the specifics of the problem...to say flat out no or yes is mindless

[Scarlett.]

If you need quick medical attention, but it's not an emergency, call 111
http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/Emergencyandurgentcareservices/Pages/NHS-111.aspx

[Vicky.]

If you need quick medical attention, but it's not an emergency, call 111
http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/Emergencyandurgentcareservices/Pages/NHS-111.aspx

^this

Though literally everytime I have rang them, they sent an ambulance...bluelighted most of the time too :laugh:

[the truth]

if they want the nhs under less rpessure maybe they should stop promoting booze, drugs and fags and flogging it so cheap in supermarkets oh and stop putting raidcal liberals like russelll brand on the telly trying to destroy all anti drug taking laws....yeah you help the 1 million addicts brand at the expense of the 60 million silent majority. 90% of everyone ive ever seen in emergency ward in the uk is either drunk or on drugs or both

[Nedusa]

No I would never be tempted to call an ambulance as if you feel a GP can deal with your illness then an ambulance is not warranted and someone who really needs one could die while they are dealing with your manflu, There are walk in clinics you could try or call NHS direct or go and see your pharmacist for advice. This post has made me quite :fist:

Totally agree, the Ambulance service is over stretched at the best of times so it certainly does not need vital resources diverted to come rushing to your aid because you have a sore throat.

Anyone who knowingly pulls a stunt like this should be charged with wasting ES time and invoiced for the cost and time of this Unnecessary ambulance journey.



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[Cherie]

depends on the specifics of the problem...to say flat out no or yes is mindless

So you would ring your GP for an appointment if you were having a heart attack :laugh: and call an ambulance for a chesty cough. :unsure:

[user104658]

So you would ring your GP for an appointment if you were having a heart attack [emoji23] and call an ambulance for a chesty cough. :unsure:
Exactly, if it seems serious enough to warrant an ambulance / hospital then why would you be calling your GP in the first place? They're pretty much useless except for very minor ailments. Most of them are pretty much useless for minor ailments too, actually, but that's another discussion!

The only exception would be in situations like Joey described, when someone deteriorates further and obviously needs emergency treatment. But again that's a different situation really - if you called your GP and made an appointment for the next day no problem, or even one for later the same day, but then there was a big deterioration you would still call an ambulance because the situation has changed... You're not calling for the same reason that you made the GP appointment. Like, you might call for a GP appointment because you've been feeling a bit out of breath and light headed. If later on you start having chest pains too, then obviously you forget the GP and get to hospital.

[Josy]

No I wouldn't ring for an ambulance if I couldn't get a GP appointment, if you need a docs appointment then it's not an emergency.

I would phone NHS 24.

[arista]

No I wouldn't ring for an ambulance if I couldn't get a GP appointment, if you need a docs appointment then it's not an emergency.

I would phone NHS 24.



Yes Josy
Great Points

[Livia]

When I call my doc, there's a recorded message before you get through to a receptionist that says if your call is urgent, such as severe chest pains or if the patient is unconscious, hang up and dial 999. I like to think people would have sense enough to know what constitutes an emergency and what doesn't, but sadly some don't.

[JoshBB]

The NHS is under enough strain with budget cuts as it is, we don't need people using up resources.

[user104658]

When I call my doc, there's a recorded message before you get through to a receptionist that says if your call is urgent, such as severe chest pains or if the patient is unconscious, hang up and dial 999. I like to think people would have sense enough to know what constitutes an emergency and what doesn't, but sadly some don't.

That's because for some reason, social education classes at school STILL refuse to teach the basics of... err... anything. They should be teaching things like how to pay bills, basic banking, how to know if you're dying and that you probably need to call an ambulance... etc.

[JoshBB]

That's because for some reason, social education classes at school STILL refuse to teach the basics of... err... anything. They should be teaching things like how to pay bills, basic banking, how to know if you're dying and that you probably need to call an ambulance... etc.

I actually agree. Teaching kids on how to avoid debt and how to use public services would help a lot of poverty and economic issues.

[Marsh.]

how to know if you're dying

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

Whenever i've rang that NHS number they just say "I recomend you go see your doctor in the morning" or "Go to A and E".Pretty useless really since you already know this but can't always get in the docs because they're too busy.I don't think there are any late night docs around anymore.There used to be.But certainly not near us now.

[user104658]

Whenever i've rang that NHS number they just say "I recomend you go see your doctor in the morning" or "Go to A and E".Pretty useless really since you already know this but can't always get in the docs because they're too busy.I don't think there are any late night docs around anymore.There used to be.But certainly not near us now.
The last time I was at a late night doctor with my daughter, he just did a Google search of her symptoms. Seriously. He Googled it. And found the page we had already found when we Googled it... And then read it to us. I'm still so thankful that I took a 4 year old out at 11.30pm for that awesome medical attention.

And yeah the NHS 24 thing was always useless. They either tell you there's nothing wrong, or basically imply that you're probably about to die and should go to hospital. From what I know of it, they basically just take some info and put it into a computer and it tells them what to do as a next step ("tell them to take paracetamol and **** off" or "tell them to run to hospital as fast as their dying legs can carry them!!")

[Northern Monkey]

The last time I was at a late night doctor with my daughter, he just did a Google search of her symptoms. Seriously. He Googled it. And found the page we had already found when we Googled it... And then read it to us. I'm still so thankful that I took a 4 year old out at 11.30pm for that awesome medical attention.

And yeah the NHS 24 thing was always useless. They either tell you there's nothing wrong, or basically imply that you're probably about to die and should go to hospital. From what I know of it, they basically just take some info and put it into a computer and it tells them what to do as a next step ("tell them to take paracetamol and **** off" or "tell them to run to hospital as fast as their dying legs can carry them!!")Pretty much.I've only ever rang them when i thought the issue was too serious to just leave but was'nt sure if it was serious enough for hospital.When we had a late night emergency docs near us,it came in handy when my dad had stones in his bladder and was in a lot of pain.We don't have anything like that now in our area.I phoned that number the other month when my little lad had a wheez and was hyper ventilating,They advised me to take him to A and E and when i got in there they basically were speaking to me like i should'nt really have brought him there,but we did'nt know what else to do.Anyway they gave him an inhaler and sent us home.There needs to be an option for after hours other than hospital.When i was a kid the doctor would come out and see you whatever time it was if it was serious enough but not life threatening.

[Livia]

That's because for some reason, social education classes at school STILL refuse to teach the basics of... err... anything. They should be teaching things like how to pay bills, basic banking, how to know if you're dying and that you probably need to call an ambulance... etc.

Couldn't agree more.

[the truth]

great post toy soldier, they teach them very little yet every kid must get straight A plusses or it may be seen as abuse in this mental assylum of a country

[Kizzy]

Yes, if you have chest pain call an ambulance... of course it might be indigestion and you need a rennie.

There should be a GCSE in that?

[Cherie]

Yes, if you have chest pain call an ambulance... of course it might be indigestion and you need a rennie.

There should be a GCSE in that?

:laugh:

[waterhog]

all over the news this morning (Sunday) - they are questioning should they extend the time for none emergency call outs ? as so many people are using ?

i wounder when will they click ?

just provide us with a quicker GP call out service ? which after all is what inspired my poem.

so to all those that thought i was being to demanding on getting a GP service ? i hope you are seeing i am not the only one with todays news.

its just not acceptable.

[Kizzy]

Extending surgery times would take the pressure off A&E, I went to the doctors on a monday morning not long ago while I was there 3 emergencies were transferred to hospital.

[Josy]

The last time I was at a late night doctor with my daughter, he just did a Google search of her symptoms. Seriously. He Googled it. And found the page we had already found when we Googled it... And then read it to us. I'm still so thankful that I took a 4 year old out at 11.30pm for that awesome medical attention.

And yeah the NHS 24 thing was always useless. They either tell you there's nothing wrong, or basically imply that you're probably about to die and should go to hospital. From what I know of it, they basically just take some info and put it into a computer and it tells them what to do as a next step ("tell them to take paracetamol and **** off" or "tell them to run to hospital as fast as their dying legs can carry them!!")

The NHS 24 is nothing like you described tbqh, in fact they go through the symptoms that you yourself describe and then decide whether they need to get a nurse or doctor to evaluate your case, the medical professional then decides how to take it from there.

Fantastic service any time I have ever needed them tbf.

Edited to add - My sister in law actually used them yesterday morning because her 6 month old baby had developed a really sore sounding cough and weeze, the woman taking the symptoms on the phone heard my nephew coughing and put her straight through to a nurse, she had an appointment at a&e within the hour for him.

Pretty decent service if you ask me considering most a&e see a minimum of 5+ hours waiting time if you just turn up.

I'm wondering if it just depends on the area you live and who deals with your needs.

[kirklancaster]

The NHS 24 is nothing like you described tbqh, in fact they go through the symptoms that you yourself describe and then decide whether they need to get a nurse or doctor to evaluate your case, the medical professional then decides how to take it from there.

Fantastic service any time I have ever needed them tbf.

Edited to add - My sister in law actually used them yesterday morning because her 6 month old baby had developed a really sore sounding cough and weeze, the woman taking the symptoms on the phone heard my nephew coughing and put her straight through to a nurse, she had an appointment at a&e within the hour for him.

Pretty decent service if you ask me considering most a&e see a minimum of 5+ hours waiting time if you just turn up.

I'm wondering if it just depends on the area you live and who deals with your needs.

:clap1:

[waterhog]

its all done on priority of the case.