Double Standards

[Sam:)]

It doesnt bother me but is it just me or is there a lot of double standards in terms of what you can and can't say. For example, Katies "too much Americans" comment, if she had of said that about Africans or Indians she probably would have been removed immediately and definitely would be lashed out of it online and in the press.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Im glad shes not getting punished for it.

We should all be allowed to say whatever the **** we want and back in the day housemates could even say racial comments.

Im not condoning it but as a social experiment I want to see people talk as they would outside the house.

[Sam:)]

Im glad shes not getting punished for it.

We should all be allowed to say whatever the **** we want and back in the day housemates could even say racial comments.

Im not condoning it but as a social experiment I want to see people talk as they would outside the house.

Well she 100% should not be punished for it. I agree with you in the way that people are racist in the real world and there should be less inteference in terms of minor comments (Like if Katie had of said the American comment about another nationality). As long as they don't get away with being very personal or blatantly offensive (e,g, Danielle's (CBB5) **** off home comment)

[the truth]

It doesnt bother me but is it just me or is there a lot of double standards in terms of what you can and can't say. For example, Katies "too much Americans" comment, if she had of said that about Africans or Indians she probably would have been removed immediately and definitely would be lashed out of it online and in the press.

the anti americanism has gone on for decades now, it makes me ashamaed to be british

[Northern Monkey]

Well that's what they got her in for.They don't wanna shut her down too early.

[the truth]

Well that's what they got her in for.They don't wanna shut her down too early.

we were hoping for at least some thought before spouting this predictable generalized drivel

[Firewire]

"Too many Africans" and "too many Indians" has racist connotations. Saying "too many Americans" does not.

[Northern Monkey]

we were hoping for at least some thought before spouting this predictable generalized drivelWhat?Who's we?You mean you.
You got your period or something?
My point is valid.
If it is true that they paid top dollar for her to go on the show and cause controversy then giving her a warning on the first night for saying something as inoffensive as there being too many Americans would'nt be their best move.
BB don't wanna dumb her down before she's even started.
Imo they should leave the warnings for serious issues like racism.I don't like the woman but that was not warning worthy.Neither would saying there are too many of any nationality on the show.

[the truth]

"Too many Africans" and "too many Indians" has racist connotations. Saying "too many Americans" does not.

i disagree

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think there are a lot more worrying prejudices expressed on these shows than Americans having a slightly harder time than most other housemates on a foreign edition of Big Brother.

[the truth]

I think there are a lot more worrying prejudices expressed on these shows than Americans having a slightly harder time than most other housemates on a foreign edition of Big Brother.

i disagree, its just another prejudice we choose to ignore....the prejudice shown towards men and white men is ignored. dirk benedicts alcoholism and cancer indiced impotence was mocked and ignored as was the physical and mental bullying of michael madsen, or some of the choice words of jermaine jackson and his white trash comments.....all of which was ignored

[Firewire]

i disagree

Well of course you would

[Mystic Mock]

It doesnt bother me but is it just me or is there a lot of double standards in terms of what you can and can't say. For example, Katies "too much Americans" comment, if she had of said that about Africans or Indians she probably would have been removed immediately and definitely would be lashed out of it online and in the press.

Didn't you know that American people are the only types of people you can say anything against in the UK? It's stupid and rude as these people have actually got names, she should try learning them, the same for all the anti-Americans out there.

[the truth]

Didn't you know that American people are the only types of people you can say anything against in the UK? It's stupid and rude as these people have actually got names, she should try learning them, the same for all the anti-Americans out there.
agreed

[the truth]

Well of course you would

yes i said I disagreed with what you said because I did disagree yet I agreed with mockinator because I actually did agree.....this is how it works, simple, glad to have helped you here

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh I don't see the difference between calling someone “The African” and then someone else “The American” as they're both clearly being used in a derogatory way?

[the truth]

Tbh I don't see the difference between calling someone “The African” and then someone else “The American” as they're both clearly being used in a derogatory way?

it carries on and on and on and gets worse because no one makes a point to say no.....the idiotic generalizations about americans make these bigots look moronic...what was it earlier all americans and louder and more overpowering said an audience member and clueless emma willis said nothing

[daniel-lewis-1985]

the anti americanism has gone on for decades now, it makes me ashamaed to be british

It works both ways tbh have you not watched a million American tv shows making fun of our crooked noses and gammy teeth?

Lets not act as if the Americans are some poor minority lol.

[LukeB]

oh

[Macie Lightfoot]

i disagree, its just another prejudice we choose to ignore....the prejudice shown towards men and white men is ignored. dirk benedicts alcoholism and cancer indiced impotence was mocked and ignored as was the physical and mental bullying of michael madsen, or some of the choice words of jermaine jackson and his white trash comments.....all of which was ignored

Again, I don't think a few Americans having a slightly more difficult time on a foreign version of Big Brother is as harrowing as the fact that a woman has been evicted first on every civilian series, that it took twelve series for a black woman to survive a head-to-head eviction, the double standards in how men and women are viewed with regards to sexuality (how many people who voted for Aaron to win do you think also voted to evict Noirin two years earlier?), and plenty of other issues with racism and sexism.

I don't know, I just find the sense of entitlement that some forum posters have about Americans is unfounded and annoying. This is a British television show and there really is no need for it to pander to the American celebrities, and this sense of entitlement and arrogance that surrounds the Americans is exactly why a lot of the Brits can't stand the Americans.

[Mystic Mock]

It works both ways tbh have you not watched a million American tv shows making fun of our crooked noses and gammy teeth?

Lets not act as if the Americans are some poor minority lol.

That's normally just a joke that they like to use though, what Katie said and what a lot of the British public feel towards American people is not a joke.

A very big difference.

[Mystic Mock]

Again, I don't think a few Americans having a slightly more difficult time on a foreign version of Big Brother is as harrowing as the fact that a woman has been evicted first on every civilian series, that it took twelve series for a black woman to survive a head-to-head eviction, the double standards in how men and women are viewed with regards to sexuality (how many people who voted for Aaron to win do you think also voted to evict Noirin two years earlier?), and plenty of other issues with racism and sexism.

I don't know, I just find the sense of entitlement that some forum posters have about Americans is unfounded and annoying. This is a British television show and there really is no need for it to pander to the American celebrities, and this sense of entitlement and arrogance that surrounds the Americans is exactly why a lot of the Brits can't stand the Americans.

All I ask for is that the American contestants be treated fairly, if they do something really silly then fair enough, but they shouldn't be hated on just because they're American.

[Northern Monkey]

Didn't you know that American people are the only types of people you can say anything against in the UK? It's stupid and rude as these people have actually got names, she should try learning them, the same for all the anti-Americans out there.

Don't forget the French,We can talk sh1t about them too.

[Lostie!]

"Too many Africans" and "too many Indians" has racist connotations. Saying "too many Americans" does not.

No, it has xenophobic connotations instead, which isn't a world away from racism. The same nasty principles apply, the difference is that xenophobia includes prejudice towards people of the same race but still from a different country.

[Beso]

"Too many Africans" and "too many Indians" has racist connotations. Saying "too many Americans" does not.

how do you figure that one out?

[Beso]

Don't forget the French,We can talk sh1t about them too.

id give it a week or two atm though:nono:

[Udanax]

i disagree, its just another prejudice we choose to ignore....the prejudice shown towards men and white men is ignored. dirk benedicts alcoholism and cancer indiced impotence was mocked and ignored as was the physical and mental bullying of michael madsen, or some of the choice words of jermaine jackson and his white trash comments.....all of which was ignored

lmao is this an actual post

[Dash Darington]

i disagree, its just another prejudice we choose to ignore....the prejudice shown towards men and white men is ignored. dirk benedicts alcoholism and cancer indiced impotence was mocked and ignored as was the physical and mental bullying of michael madsen, or some of the choice words of jermaine jackson and his white trash comments.....all of which was ignored

Dirk Benedict wasn't an alcoholic. That was a random accusation that Jade made up because she was angry that he poured out half a bottle of scotch. His impotence was mentioned rather delicately by Carol as I remember it, as Dirk's eating habits and exercise routine became a topic of conversation.

[Jason.]

Im glad shes not getting punished for it.

We should all be allowed to say whatever the **** we want and back in the day housemates could even say racial comments.

Im not condoning it but as a social experiment I want to see people talk as they would outside the house.

I agree.
I blame Shilpagate.

It doesn't mean you can go around calling the black housemates the N word, but I think these days there is a limit to what can be said, and the housemate are consistently walking over egg shells with what they can say, regarding race, and sexuality.
I mean you can't even say the word in a conversation without being warned.

[Jason.]

Whilst on the subject of double standards.

I despise how sexist the public can be towards females.
The fact you have the majority thinking racism is wrong, which it is, yet somebody from a different gender warrants dog abuse.

For example, Tamara and Winston.
Both, in my opinion came across as quiet arrogant in their VT's.

Tamara (Intelligent, opinionated, but blonde female with big boobs) gets booed and off chants, which eventually also is one of the factors of her being voted off and disliked in the 1st week.

Winston (Essex male, good looking, dim) says he will win because his name's Winston, yet the guy is favorite to win on launch night, and was cheered going in, and pretty much didn't warrant dog's abuse for the entire duration.
His VT mainly consisted of vulgar experiences with woman, involving vomiting on a woman's vagina.

I think if a arrogant man was up against an arrogant woman, the woman would go.

[Northern Monkey]

id give it a week or two atm though:nono:
Yeah obviously but my point is that in general just as it is with Americans it does seem to be socially acceptable to rib the French in this country.Calling them slimy and frogs etc and going on about how they surrender.Just listen to Al Murray as an example.

[Northern Monkey]

Whilst on the subject of double standards.

I despise how sexist the public can be towards females.
The fact you have the majority thinking racism is wrong, which it is, yet somebody from a different gender warrants dog abuse.

For example, Tamara and Winston.
Both, in my opinion came across as quiet arrogant in their VT's.

Tamara (Intelligent, opinionated, but blonde female with big boobs) gets booed and off chants, which eventually also is one of the factors of her being voted off and disliked in the 1st week.

Winston (Essex male, good looking, dim) says he will win because his name's Winston, yet the guy is favorite to win on launch night, and was cheered going in, and pretty much didn't warrant dog's abuse for the entire duration.
His VT mainly consisted of vulgar experiences with woman, involving vomiting on a woman's vagina.

I think if a arrogant man was up against an arrogant woman, the woman would go.
I agree but i think the main sexism against pretty female contestants is from other females.Women have it bad when even their own gender turn against them.

[Jason.]

I agree but i think the main sexism against pretty female contestants is from other females.Women have it bad when even their own gender turn against them.

I know.
A shame these reality shows are dominated by 50 year old housewives.
Probably why they booed Tamara, Haha.

Although, another great example would be Toya (Strong, black female) Vs Ash (White male)

[Northern Monkey]

I know.
A shame these reality shows are dominated by 50 year old housewives.
Probably why they booed Tamara, Haha.

Although, another great example would be Toya (Strong, black female) Vs Ash (White male)
Team Toya all the way:dance:

[Lostie!]

I know.
A shame these reality shows are dominated by 50 year old housewives.
Probably why they booed Tamara, Haha.

Although, another great example would be Toya (Strong, black female) Vs Ash (White male)

I'm thinking she was booed because she was an unpleasant person. I'm not a "50 year old housewife", I'm a 22 year old guy, and I disliked her.

[JoshBB]

Let's not start acting like american people have been oppressed.

[Lostie!]

Let's not start acting like american people have been oppressed.

Why do people keep saying this? Every time someone likens something to racism, people bring up the history of slavery and oppression to act like no other kinds of discrimination can possibly be bad.

Nobody has said that "american people have been oppressed", why are you plucking words from thin air? The OP just said that if somebody in the house was derogatory towards someone of a different race, they'd be pulled up on it. The principle still applies, regardless of whether a group of people have faced widespread oppression or not. Referring to Americans in a derogatory way because they're American is xenophobic.