Another racial remark or sexism?

[Jake.]

Which of the two do you think Morley has been kicked out for?

I'm going with more lewd comments towards the women.

[Lostie!]

Yeah, more suggestive comments was my thought.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

This is Ken we're talking about so im going to say both lol.

[Liam-]

My fist instinct was something racial again but idk

[Kazanne]

Probably against Alex or Perez.

[chuff me dizzy]

Holy **** we had all this the other day over the "near rape" ,why not wait until we gets the FACTS ,saves all the silly bickering

[Niamh.]

I think it'd be taken more seriously if it was a racist or homophobic comment than a sexist one so probably one of those, although it depends how bad a sexist comment might be aswell

[Liam-]

Holy **** we had all this the other day over the "near rape" ,why not wait until we gets the FACTS ,saves all the silly bickering

No-one is bickering :umm2:

[MTVN]

My moneys on him calling Perez a poofter

[Niamh.]

Holy **** we had all this the other day over the "near rape" ,why not wait until we gets the FACTS ,saves all the silly bickering

it's speculation not bickering

[Lostie!]

Holy **** we had all this the other day over the "near rape" ,why not wait until we gets the FACTS ,saves all the silly bickering

Nobody was bickering until you came in with an attitude. :shocked:

Correct, we don't have the facts, but we know he was removed for unacceptable language. Wondering what he said and suggesting "rape" without grounds are wildly different.

[Kazanne]

My moneys on him calling Perez a poofter

:joker::joker::joker:

[Jake.]

Holy **** we had all this the other day over the "near rape" ,why not wait until we gets the FACTS ,saves all the silly bickering

No-one is bickering :umm2:

Exactly this. Don't like it, don't post.

[chuff me dizzy]

No-one is bickering :umm2:

Yet

[Denver]

I think Ken planned this and i want to see his smile upon hearing the news

[Jake.]

Yet

And aslong as people follow what the OP says, it will stay that way

[Liam-]

With that negativitiy it's almost like you want there to be childish bickering tbh

[chuff me dizzy]

Nobody was bickering until you came in with an attitude. :shocked:

Correct, we don't have the facts, but we know he was removed for unacceptable language. Wondering what he said and suggesting "rape" without grounds are wildly different.

Im talking of the Jeremy saga, where judge and jury had him down for "near rape" and it turned out to be next to nothing he had done wrong

[Lostie!]

Im talking of the Jeremy saga, where judge and jury had him down for "near rape" and it turned out to be next to nothing he had done wrong

I know you were. That's what I mean. Speculating on what Ken may have said (based on things he's already said) and bringing up possible "near rape" with Jeremy are very different.

You're right that the Jeremy speculation got out of hand.

[Niamh.]

Im talking of the Jeremy saga, where judge and jury had him down for "near rape" and it turned out to be next to nothing he had done wrong

:umm2:

[Jake.]

Well, this isn't the Jeremy saga, so enough of that..

[chuff me dizzy]

:umm2:

Touching a dressing gown is hardly a hangable crime

[Niamh.]

Touching a dressing gown is hardly a hangable crime

Touching a dressing gown and opening someones dressing gown exposing her breast are two very different things

[puzzled]

Do they still get paid the full amount if they're kicked out? I hope not.

[GiRTh]

Touching a dressing gown and opening someones dressing gown exposing her breast are two very different things:clap1:

[Denver]

We still not going on about Jeremy and Chloe are we? They moved on so should we

[AnnieK]

We still not going on about Jeremy and Chloe are we? They moved on so should we

:clap1: this is about ken. My money is on racist language

[Niamh.]

My apologies for going off topic :laugh:

[bots]

The kicking out is usually based on hm reaction rather than any substance, particularly if its words alone, i'm speculating sexist/homophobic as Alex couldn't seem to care less what Ken said.

[Shaun]

I will plump for something vaguely xenophobic... but hey, maybe it'll be a triple-whammy.

[Niamh.]

The kicking out is usually based on hm reaction rather than any substance, particularly if its words alone, i'm speculating sexist/homophobic as Alex couldn't seem to care less what Ken said.

Not in regards to racism though so it could very well be something racist. Although because he seems to have more issues with perez something homophobic is probably more likely

[AnnieK]

My apologies for going off topic :laugh:

I should think so too :laugh:

I do agree with you though

[rionablue]

Touching a dressing gown is hardly a hangable crime

Chuff this thread is NOT ABOUT THAT. its about Ken:nono:

[bots]

I will plump for something vaguely xenophobic... but hey, maybe it'll be a triple-whammy.

Well, if he really wants to get kicked out he knows how Jeremy did it now ... so he could have gone for a humdinger quadruple!

[Northern Monkey]

He wanted out.Think he did it on purpose.Bit annoying,I was enjoying seeing the HM's squirm at his humour.

[rionablue]

I think its sexist something he said to one of the women I don't think he would engage racist slur again

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe Chloes other tit got an outing:joker:

[sampvt]

Chances are its got something to do with Perez. The little **** knows all the angles and knows how to create a PC scenario which would defo get him oiked.

[Niamh.]

Chances are its got something to do with Perez. The little **** knows all the angles and knows how to create a PC scenario which would defo get him oiked.

he knows how to make someone say something homophobic? Only a homophobic person would say something homophobic though

[Jamesy]

If it's to do with Perez then Ken probably said something like **** and Perez went screaming and crying into the diary room about how homophobic and horrible it was.

The housemates have wanted him out for days anyway so Ken has probably just said something then the other housemates have taken it too personally. I bet this one is mostly down to housemates reactions rather than what has come out of Ken's mouth.

[Lostie!]

he knows how to make someone say something homophobic? Only a homophobic person would say something homophobic though

Well, he can't make Ken say something, but he can twist a situation to make it worse. He loudly branded Ken a homophobe the other day and we saw nothing or the sort (and I doubt C5 would have cut it).

That said, I think Ken's left because of his own mouth and inability to heed his warning, rather than the machinations of Perez.

[Pincho Paxton]

Ken went for opening his mouth too often.

[Niamh.]

Well, he can't make Ken say something, but he can twist a situation to make it worse. He loudly branded Ken a homophobe the other day and we saw nothing or the sort (and I doubt C5 would have cut it).

That said, I think Ken's left because of his own mouth and inability to heed his warning, rather than the machinations of Perez.

tbf though we don't know that Ken didn't say something homophobic either, we weren't shown him say the thing about cami being half a ***** or her dress or whatever either but he did say it. He's said so much racist, sexist and xenophobic things since he's been in there it wouldn't be that hard to believe that he'd also said something homophobic

[Pincho Paxton]

tbf though we don't know that Ken didn't say something homophobic either, we weren't shown him say the thing about cami being half a ***** or her dress or whatever either but he did say it. He's said so much racist, sexist and xenophobic things since he's been in there it wouldn't be that hard to believe that he'd also said something homophobic

He did, but I can't remember what it was.

[Niamh.]

He did, but I can't remember what it was.

Was it actually shown then?

[Lostie!]

tbf though we don't know that Ken didn't say something homophobic either, we weren't shown him say the thing about cami being half a ***** or her dress or whatever either but he did say it. He's said so much racist, sexist and xenophobic things since he's been in there it wouldn't be that hard to believe that he'd also said something homophobic

That's true, but Perez was more than happy to be Ken's friend, and pass on what the others were saying about him, earlier that day. That makes me suspicious of whether he ever said anything homophobic. Even if he did, Perez didn't seem to have a problem with it until they were arguing.

Daran Little, a gay former writer for Coronation Street, rejected the suggestion that Ken is homophobic.

He probably made another dodgy comment (similar to his "negro" comment to Alexander) not necessarily meant as an insult. Regardless, the way Perez just brought it up in the middle of an argument doesn't sit right with me.

[Marsh.]

Touching a dressing gown is hardly a hangable crime

*opens chuff's dressing gown*

Well hello there. :creep:

[Pincho Paxton]

Was it actually shown then?

Yeah Ken said something about gay just before he got too close to Perez.

[Mitchell]

My moneys on him calling Perez a poofter

This or the f word.

[Ammi]

tbf though we don't know that Ken didn't say something homophobic either, we weren't shown him say the thing about cami being half a ***** or her dress or whatever either but he did say it. He's said so much racist, sexist and xenophobic things since he's been in there it wouldn't be that hard to believe that he'd also said something homophobic

..I'm pretty sure that we did see him say that, I do recall it just not exactly when it was because other housemates did look shocked when he said it..it was in the kitchen I think...

[Niamh.]

That's true, but Perez was more than happy to be Ken's friend, and pass on what the others were saying about him, earlier that day. That makes me suspicious of whether he ever said anything homophobic. Even if he did, Perez didn't seem to have a problem with it until they were arguing.

Daran Little, a gay former writer for Coronation Street, rejected the suggestion that Ken is homophobic.

He probably made another dodgy comment (similar to his "negro" comment to Alexander) not necessarily meant as an insult. Regardless, the way Perez just brought it up in the middle of an argument doesn't sit right with me.

In regards to the negro comment, it wasn't even just his use of the word that made it so bad but the context he used it in was awful as well. He said fat negro and he was speaking as if he was in the deep south talking to one of the "help" it was completely insulting even if you forgave the use of the word negro on it's own

[sampvt]

he knows how to make someone say something homophobic? Only a homophobic person would say something homophobic though

Niamh I never mentioned homophobic, I simply said pc incorrect. why do people keep harping on about homophobic comments. he could have said anything.

[Niamh.]

..I'm pretty sure that we did see him say that, I do recall it just not exactly when it was because other housemates did look shocked when he said it..it was in the kitchen I think...

ah ok, I only remember them talking to him about it after but still, he's said that many insulting things I would say there's probably even more they haven't put in (I reckon they're probably spoilt for choice with all the juiciness to fill the hours HLs :laugh:

[wendywillow]

tbf though we don't know that Ken didn't say something homophobic either, we weren't shown him say the thing about cami being half a ***** or her dress or whatever either but he did say it. He's said so much racist, sexist and xenophobic things since he's been in there it wouldn't be that hard to believe that he'd also said something homophobic

they aired the cami comment, and her reaction (the slut dress thing). I think its going to be a homophobic thing but ken is an equal opportunity offender so who knows.

[Niamh.]

Niamh I never mentioned homophobic, I simply said pc incorrect. why do people keep harping on about homophobic comments. he could have said anything.

People keep "harping on" because that is the topic of the thread :shrug:

[Niamh.]

they aired the cami comment, and her reaction (the slut dress thing). I think its going to be a homophobic thing but ken is an equal opportunity offender so who knows.

:laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Chances are its got something to do with Perez. The little **** knows all the angles and knows how to create a PC scenario which would defo get him oiked.

Perez accused him of being homophobic the other night for no reason

[Lostie!]

In regards to the negro comment, it wasn't even just his use of the word that made it so bad but the context he used it in was awful as well. He said fat negro and he was speaking as if he was in the deep south talking to one of the "help" it was completely insulting even if you forgave the use of the word negro on it's own

I agree, I think he was out of line, I just mean that I don't think it was intended maliciously, but that doesn't take away the insulting nature of the words. You're right of course, but this just further explains my point about Perez. Alexander was able to deal with the situation calmly and rationally, instead of storing it up as ammo to use against Ken later.

As a mixed race gay guy, the fact that racism and homophobia still exist within some people horrifies me, but so does members of certain communities using it to help themselves in an argument. I just can't respect a gay guy who'll say nothing, even be the person's ally, and then use the "You're also homophobic" thing later just because he's in the middle of a blazing row with him.

[Niamh.]

Perez accused him of being homophobic the other night for no reason

How do you know there was no reason though? We only get to see a fraction of what goes on in there. Granted I don't know for sure that he did say something but by the same logic you don't know that he didn't

[unoino]

How pathetic to throw someone out of the show when nobody was offended..indeed i found his remarks very entertaining...I wonder if ch5 will be refunding voters monies to keep ken in...It really is pathetic anyone with a personality or point of view is thrown out...the point of the programme is to win and people would have decided in due course if Kens remarks were offensive....I think hes a gentleman I admire his honesty he realky was a breathe of fresh air...and so ch5 have lost a family of viewers who enjoyed Kens daily tantrums he was such fun...Good luck Ken the world needs more genuine guys like you

[Niamh.]

I agree, I think he was out of line, I just mean that I don't think it was intended maliciously, but that doesn't take away the insulting nature of the words. You're right of course, but this just further explains my point about Perez. Alexander was able to deal with the situation calmly and rationally, instead of storing it up as ammo to use against Ken later.

As a mixed race gay guy, the fact that racism and homophobia still exist within some people horrifies me, but so does members of certain communities using it to help themselves in an argument. I just can't respect a gay guy who'll say nothing, even be the person's ally, and then use the "You're also homophobic" thing later just because he's in the middle of a blazing row with him.

Oh I totally agree the way Alexander handled it was very admirable, him and Perez are poles a part though, Perez is a hysterical drama queen lol I do find him quite entertaining though:hehe:

[Niamh.]

How pathetic to throw someone out of the show when nobody was offended..indeed i found his remarks very entertaining...I wonder if ch5 will be refunding voters monies to keep ken in...It really is pathetic anyone with a personality or point of view is thrown out...the point of the programme is to win and people would have decided in due course if Kens remarks were offensive....I think hes a gentleman I admire his honesty he realky was a breathe of fresh air...and so ch5 have lost a family of viewers who enjoyed Kens daily tantrums he was such fun...Good luck Ken the world needs more genuine guys like you

Gentlemen generally speaking treat women with respect, all I've seen from Ken in his interactions with the women in there has been lewd and completely disrespectful

[Lostie!]

How do you know there was no reason though? We only get to see a fraction of what goes on in there. Granted I don't know for sure that he did say something but by the same logic you don't know that he didn't

My main reason for being sceptical is that, in Saturday's episode, they showed Ken's comment to Alexander, his comments about the women, Jeremy's incident with Chloe, so I don't see why they'd make an effort to cut homophobic remarks. Especially if they were still going to show Perez branding him homophobic.

Add this to actually seeing Perez being perfectly friendly, even going as far as to expose the others' comments about him, in the same episode. I'm not saying he didn't say something homophobic, but it would be a little strange considering what we did see.

I mean, I guess a comment could have been said between Perez being friendly with Ken and their big blow-up later, but I still don't get why they'd cut it and leave the "homophobic" accusation intact.

[Liam-]

How pathetic to throw someone out of the show when nobody was offended..indeed i found his remarks very entertaining...I wonder if ch5 will be refunding voters monies to keep ken in...It really is pathetic anyone with a personality or point of view is thrown out...the point of the programme is to win and people would have decided in due course if Kens remarks were offensive....I think hes a gentleman I admire his honesty he realky was a breathe of fresh air...and so ch5 have lost a family of viewers who enjoyed Kens daily tantrums he was such fun...Good luck Ken the world needs more genuine guys like you

I'm baffled

[wendywillow]

ken is an ass**** but hes also entertaining, they'll be evicting hm's for a 'goshdarn' pretty soon

[Niamh.]

My main reason for being sceptical is that, in Saturday's episode, they showed Ken's comment to Alexander, his comments about the women, Jeremy's incident with Chloe, so I don't see why they'd make an effort to cut homophobic remarks. Especially if they were still going to show Perez branding him homophobic.

Add this to actually seeing Perez being perfectly friendly, even going as far as to expose the others' comments about him, in the same episode. I'm not saying he didn't say something homophobic, but it would be a little strange considering what we did see.

I mean, I guess a comment could have been said between Perez being friendly with Ken and their big blow-up later, but I still don't get why they'd cut it and leave the "homophobic" accusation intact.

There was alot going on that nights HLs though what with all the Jeremy stuff as well. Anyway, i don't know obviously so its just speculation on my part

[Marsh.]

ken is an ass**** but hes also entertaining, they'll be evicting hm's for a 'goshdarn' pretty soon

Yes, because "gosh darn" is oh so comparable to bigotry.

[Jake.]

Yes, because "gosh darn" is oh so comparable to bigotry.

Don't forget racism!

[wendywillow]

Yes, because "gosh darn" is oh so comparable to bigotry.

hyperbole. obviously. :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

How do you know there was no reason though? We only get to see a fraction of what goes on in there. Granted I don't know for sure that he did say something but by the same logic you don't know that he didn't

We saw them both in the room,we heard what was said

[Jake.]

Stop taking the subject off topic

[Niamh.]

We saw them both in the room,we heard what was said

he could have said something before that though lol

[Marsh.]

hyperbole. obviously. :shrug:

Not very effective use.

[wendywillow]

Not very effective use.

we won't know till we see why he gets the boot.

[rionablue]

I'm baffled

Im struggling to think of what planet they are on also.

[Cherie]

Ken is wiley wouldn't surprise ne if he lasted the stipulated hours in his contract and engineered his own eviction :laugh:

[Jake.]

Well I wasn't expecting it to be a racial slur again.. Messy

[Jay.]

Me neither and him talking about girls that way on the bike actually made me want to heave.

[Jake.]

not impressed with his behaviour

http://i.imgur.com/f8QAXsp.gif

[Pincho Paxton]

It was about Frank Bruno in the end. The stuff on the bike seemed exaggerated by Nadia to me.

[Niamh.]

Also, he insulted Irish people :hmph:

[sampvt]

Also, he insulted Irish people :hmph:

I am irish and I didn't feel insulted so please don't speak for me. He was manipulated by Nadia into saying what he did and to be oiked for saying negro rythms is the stupidest reason ever and BB where acting under pressure from Nadia and her recruited sibling witches.

[Jake.]

I am irish and I didn't feel insulted so please don't speak for me. He was manipulated by Nadia into saying what he did and to be oiked for saying negro rythms is the stupidest reason ever and BB where acting under pressure from Nadia and her recruited sibling witches.

God, get off her back :joker: