Ken is a champion of free speech

[Lister of Smeg]

Weather you like or louth what he says you got to admire his bottle to say what he thinks especially when we live in a world that is offended by everything he's one of the few that says itvas it is and doesn't give a **** what anyone thinks of him . His removal from the house is a further example of the erosion of freedom of speech we are witnessing in this country more and more as the years go by.

[Josy]

No he's just an old offensive dick

There is a huge difference from freedom of speech and hate speech.

[Pincho Paxton]

I don't believe in free speech. Newspapers want free speech because they make money from it.

[Lister of Smeg]

No he's just an old offensive dick

There is a huge difference from freedom of speech and hate speech.
Nope even if people disagree they can choose to not listen hate speech or not .

[GiRTh]

Free speech or freedom to be offensive?

[Lister of Smeg]

Free speech or freedom to be offensive?

Either way doesn't matter he has a right to his opinion in much the same way they can tell him to ****off. In the end silencing opinion of others doesn't change anything really .

[MTVN]

Nah this isn't a free speech issue

[Josy]

Either way doesn't matter he has a right to his opinion in much the same way they can tell him to ****off. In the end silencing opinion of others doesn't change anything really .

People can have opinions without in any way offending or hurting other people. Ken knows he crosses the line and doesn't care as he showed in the DR.

[Lister of Smeg]

I don't believe in free speech. Newspapers want free speech because they make money from it.

Dont like freedom of speech ?. I hear North Korea is lovely this time of year.

[Jake.]

Hardly a champion when he's been ejected

[rionablue]

Weather you like or louth what he says you got to admire his bottle to say what he thinks especially when we live in a world that is offended by everything he's one of the few that says itvas it is and doesn't give a **** what anyone thinks of him . His removal from the house is a further example of the erosion of freedom of speech we are witnessing in this country more and more as the years go by.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm no he isn't. Continuous sexist comments and using racist slurs are not to be applauded. Horrible vile man who deserved to be kicked out on his sorry arse

[chuff me dizzy]

I cant stand the man ,but defend his right to free speech ,he's in his 70s, he was brought up pre PC brigade era as I was, when there really was free speech and no one was upset by it, it was the norm ,oh to go back to those days EVERYONE was happier

[Pincho Paxton]

Dont like freedom of speech ?. I hear North Korea is lovely this time of year.

I was on North Korea's side.

[Ammi]

...it's not free speech though, it's just ignorance...

[Josy]

I cant stand the man ,but defend his right to free speech ,he's in his 70s, he was brought up pre PC brigade era as I was, when there really was free speech and no one was upset by it, it was the norm ,oh to go back to those days EVERYONE was happier

Apart from the people that hateful words and speeches were aimed at of course.

[MTVN]

Freedoms don't even exist in the BB house anyway, it's a highly controlled environment where the whole point is that your freedom is restricted

[Lister of Smeg]

People can have opinions without in any way offending or hurting other people. Ken knows he crosses the line and doesn't care as he showed in the DR.

I fail to see why he should walk on eggshells to save others precious feeling maybe the nanny state plonkers should grow a thicker skin and deal with it instead of eroding other people's personal freedoms just because they don't like what someone else is saying.

[Liam-]

Apart from the people that hateful words and speeches were aimed at of course.

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

I cant stand the man ,but defend his right to free speech ,he's in his 70s, he was brought up pre PC brigade era as I was, when there really was free speech and no one was upset by it, it was the norm ,oh to go back to those days EVERYONE was happier

Yes, even the black people loved being segregated in society and looked down upon.

Such wonderful times. :idc:

[Niamh.]

Apart from the people that hateful words and speeches were aimed at of course.

exactly :laugh:

[Josy]

I fail to see why he should walk on eggshells to save others precious feeling maybe the nanny state plonkers should grow a thicker skin and deal with it instead of eroding other people's personal freedoms just because they don't like what someone else is saying.

You are totally missing my points.

Free speech is completely fine, wonderful. Ken wasn't using free speech he was making vile remarks, offending people and he made a racist comment.

And who knows what else he has said to get ejected.

[sampvt]

I cant stand the man ,but defend his right to free speech ,he's in his 70s, he was brought up pre PC brigade era as I was, when there really was free speech and no one was upset by it, it was the norm ,oh to go back to those days EVERYONE was happier

I agree Chuff, the so called PC brigade, in all walks of life, are ruining everything that's fair in life. Its one thing to be nasty but another to be ignorant through age or intelligence.

[Ammi]

...Alexander was also brought up in the same era and yet he knows and told Ken that what he said was wrong...it's not a thing of age, it's a thing of respect...

[chuff me dizzy]

Apart from the people that hateful words and speeches were aimed at of course.

I was raised in the 60s on our street white. blacks asians all mixed ,there was never no "racial abuse" or tree hugging do gooders telling you what you could say not say

[Marsh.]

...Alexander was also brought up in the same era and yet he knows and told Ken that what he said was wrong...it's not a thing of age, it's a thing of respect...

:clap1:

[Liam-]

Not people wanting people to have the freedom to use racial slurs freely without consequence because it's 'free speech' :facepalm:

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes, even the black people loved being segregated in society and looked down upon.

Such wonderful times. :idc:

They wasn't segregated ? what are you talking about ? My Mam didnt have a shackled slave in the shed fgs ,you watch too many films

[GiRTh]

I cant stand the man ,but defend his right to free speech ,he's in his 70s, he was brought up pre PC brigade era as I was, when there really was free speech and no one was upset by it, it was the norm ,oh to go back to those days EVERYONE was happierWere they though. My Dad worked on the buses for 40 years and left the county as soon as he retired cuz of the years of racial abuse he had to endure in that job. It amounted to not much more than name calling but 40 years of it took its toll on him. He made his money and then left the country taking his money with him. Cool guy.

[Liam-]

You are the definition of baiting

Free speech, he can say what he wants.. or is that only the case when it suits your ideals? :think:

[Marsh.]

They wasn't segregated ? what are you talking about ? My Mam didnt have a shackled slave in the shed fgs ,you watch too many films

Who said anything about slaves?

Educate yourself my love. If you think the slave trade was the only thing done to black people then you're seriously naive. They were treated as second class citizens in all areas of life.

[Marsh.]

Free speech, he can say what he wants.. or is that only the case when it suits your ideals? :think:

:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

Were they though. My Dad worked on the buses for 40 years and left the county as soon as he retired cuz of the years of racial abuse he had to endure in that job. It amounted to not much more than name calling but 40 years of it took its toll on him. He made his money and then left the country taking his money with him. Cool guy.

40 years before he decided he didn't like it ? can't have been that bad then could it ? ,people today are just bloody stupid, ask the majority of black people, its not THEM who moan, its other tree huggers who do it for them, its the tree huggers who cause the tension

[Marsh.]

Id rather sit down for dinner with Chuffs type all day long. We don't kiss arses like the kids of today just because they think its PC. Political correctness is killing not only free speech but is sectionalising our way of life and promotes confrontation at every corner. The old adage of live and let live is true today as long as there is a lawyer, a court and a politician there to benefit from it.

The opposite of throwing around offensive language is kissing arse?

Ok. You must have very limited conversational skills if that's the case.

I don't have to kiss arse to not be racist or homophobic.

[GiRTh]

40 years before he decided he didn't like it ? can't have been that bad then could it ? ,people today are just bloody stupid, ask the majority of black people, its not THEM who moan, its other tree huggers who do it for them, its the tree huggers who cause the tensionTree huggers? I've no idea who you're talking about.

Yes 40 years. HE hated it but appreciated the money he was getting so he retired in Sept 2000 and by December he was gone. He'd been planning it for ages. And BTW he's much happier now.

[Daniel.]

It's not free speech, it's racist and sexist, his behaviour should not be tolerated. It's the same thing if someone was homophobic to me, it would upset me, his removal was fair.

[chuff me dizzy]

Tree huggers? I've no idea who you're talking about.

Yes 40 years. HE hated it but appreciated the money he was getting so he retired in Sept 2000 and by December he was gone. He'd been planning it for ages. And BTW he's much happier now.

Im glad he's happy

[chuff me dizzy]

It's not free speech, it's racist and sexist, his behaviour should not be tolerated. It's the same thing if someone was homophobic to me, it would upset me, his removal was fair.

Says who ? who has the right to tell anyone what they can say,or even worse think ?

[Liam-]

All non-racists being deduced as being 'tree huggers' :laugh3:

[Marsh.]

Says who ? who has the right to tell anyone what they can say,or even worse think ?

Nobody is telling you what to say or think. But you can expect consequences for using such disgusting language.

[Marsh.]

All non-racists being deduced as being 'tree huggers' :laugh3:

And black people aren't slaves anymore so they should bloody well appreciate how good they have it. :fist:

[Daniel.]

Because it's offensive to others, surely that's obvious. You can't just use free speech as an excuse to be nasty.

[chuff me dizzy]

Nobody is telling you what to say or think. But you can expect consequences for using such disgusting language.

Whoopppeee doo ,Im an adult with a mind what is as good and more valid than most

[Liam-]

And black people aren't slaves anymore so they should bloody well appreciate how good they have it. :fist:

How ungrateful of them! :fist:

[chuff me dizzy]

Because it's offensive to others, surely that's obvious. You can't just use free speech as an excuse to be nasty.

I will die fighting for free speech ,without it what do we have? do you want your mind taken over? because thats the way its going

[Lister of Smeg]

40 years before he decided he didn't like it ? can't have been that bad then could it ? ,people today are just bloody stupid, ask the majority of black people, its not THEM who moan, its other tree huggers who do it for them, its the tree huggers who cause the tension

Exactly ive noticed the people get offened by everything are usually people that wouldn't know the first thing about being trully discriminated against there usually far left leaning Liberals that believe we are all equal and we should all dance round a conker tree holding hands. This level of disingenuous fakery makes me want to vomit.

[Marsh.]

Whoopppeee doo ,Im an adult with a mind what is as good and more valid than most

I don't care about the size of your ego.

I'm just saying, you can say what you want but if you are racist then you can expect consequences.

"Free speech" isn't as simple as you seem to think it is.

[Daniel.]

No, I believe in free speech, but only when it's not insulting to others or minorities, that's just nasty. There's a difference.

[Liam-]

I will die fighting for free speech ,without it what do we have? do you want your mind taken over? because thats the way its going

We have free speech, what we don't have is the allowance for racists and bigots to freely spew their bile and i am more than okay with that, I'm sure 90% of the world is okay with that.

[Pincho Paxton]

I will die fighting for free speech ,without it what do we have? do you want your mind taken over? because thats the way its going

That's just using the opposite extreme the same as you used tree hugger earlier. You don't need to switch to the opposite unless you have bipolar disorder.

[Marsh.]

That's just using the opposite extreme the same as you used tree hugger earlier. You don't need to switch to the opposite unless you have bipolar disorder.

:clap1: Exactly.

They always have to have the reverse extreme. So overly simplistic.

[Lister of Smeg]

I don't care about the size of your ego.

I'm just saying, you can say what you want but if you are racist then you can expect consequences.

"Free speech" isn't as simple as you seem to think it is.

Freedom of speech is very simple you can listen to someone or you can ignor them simple really.

[Marsh.]

Freedom of speech is very simple you can listen to someone or you can ignor them simple really.

Wrong.

[sampvt]

I love the dancing around conker trees analogy, I am going to use that.

[Jake.]

Freedom of speech is very simple you can listen to someone or you can ignor them simple really.

That isn't how it works

[GiRTh]

Freedom of speech is very simple you can listen to someone or you can ignor them simple really.Or you can rip the sh*t out of them when they reveal their casual attitudes to Racism and sexism. I find this really winds them up.

[chuff me dizzy]

Freedom of speech is very simple you can listen to someone or you can ignor them simple really.

:clap1: Its about CHOICE

[Miranda123]

No he's just an old offensive dick

There is a huge difference from freedom of speech and hate speech.

well said Josie

if Ken was just an old dinosaur, from an age when offensive words were more common, then he would have used the other N word, the word Negro was never a common term in this country, in fact as a child of the 70's the only time I ever heard it used was on a programme called Roots about an african slave in the USA, and the term was used by slave masters, you may also hear it in the deep south now, from the most ignorant, but it was never in use in this country

I believe he used that word to be controversial, but not the other N word because he didnt want to be kicked out in disgrace

My mum was 86 when she died and had early onset dementia and in all my life I never heard her use either word, so his age is really NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER and does a great disservice to the rest of us who grew up hearing language like that and consigned it to the dustbin of history (in this country) long ago!

[Lister of Smeg]

Wrong.

So censorship of opinions is something you support good to know you feel we should live in a theocracy.

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't care about the size of your ego.

I'm just saying, you can say what you want but if you are racist then you can expect consequences.

"Free speech" isn't as simple as you seem to think it is.

Whats ego got to do with anything? its about rights ,A friend of mine killed herself last year over freedom of speech or lack of it

[Liam-]

I can only imagine the state of the world if blatant racism and bigotry was allowed to be freely preached from the rooftops, what a disastrous world that would be.

[Miranda123]

So censorship of opinions is something you support good to know you feel we should live in a theocracy.

Its not about censoring opinion, if his opinion is that Alex is a negro, then he is allowed that opinion, but we are allowed to say, that's not acceptable on a prime time TV show anymore!!

"When we know better, we do better" maya angelou

[Marsh.]

So censorship of opinions is something you support good to know you feel we should live in a theocracy.

No dear. Your definition of what free speech is, is uninformed and quite simply incorrect.

[Marsh.]

Whats ego got to do with anything? its about rights ,A friend of mine killed herself last year over freedom of speech or lack of it

Because you were telling me how you think your opinions are more valid than most?

I couldn't care less about how highly you think of yourself, it's not relevant to the topic.

[chuff me dizzy]

I can only imagine the state of the world if blatant racism and bigotry was allowed to be freely preached from the rooftops, what a disastrous world that would be.

But it didn't happen, did you live in the 60s? did you see how people got on? there were no street gangs stabbing each other, black,white,asian kids all played together happily, no do gooders saying ,"You mustnt call him/her by that name "because no one did call each other racist names...the do gooders have brought all this race hate on

[Niamh.]

But it didn't happen, did you live in the 60s? did you see how people got on? there were no street gangs stabbing each other, black,white,asian kids all played together happily, no do gooders saying ,"You mustnt call him/her by that name "because no one did call each other racist names...the do gooders have brought all this race hate on

If there was never a problem back then, then why would anyone try to change it Chuff? :think:

[Jake.]

:clap1: Its about CHOICE

And most people (thankfully) make a choice to acknowledge that a person who comes out with blantent bigotry and racism and attempts to label it as 'free speech' is talking out of their arse.

[Daniel.]

Freedom of speech? Fair enough if it doesn't effect people, but with things such as homophobia, racism and sexism it's not free speech, it's degrading someone else and it absolutely should not be allowed, thankfully racism gets people in trouble these days as to air such an opinion is wrong.

[Pincho Paxton]

But it didn't happen, did you live in the 60s? did you see how people got on? there were no street gangs stabbing each other, black,white,asian kids all played together happily, no do gooders saying ,"You mustnt call him/her by that name "because no one did call each other racist names...the do gooders have brought all this race hate on

This was 1955, close to 1960's...
On December 1, 1955, Rosa Parks, a 42-year-old African American woman who worked as a seamstress, boarded this Montgomery City bus to go home from work. On this bus on that day, Rosa Parks initiated a new era in the American quest for freedom and equality.

She refused to stand up on a bus for a white person.

[Liam-]

We have freedom of speech, offend all the minorities!

[Northern Monkey]

'Free speech' is a myth.It does not exist.Someone is always gonna tell you that you can't say something.The whole concept of free speech is flawed because you are not allowed to say anything that might upset anyone.I liked Ken,He was a breath of fresh air.Even though he was only doing it to get kicked out.He provided some light heartedness amonst all those uptight self obsessed egos in there but BB has rules and he broke them.I wish he was still in there but he did deliberately break the rules of the show so it was'nt unexpected.

[GiRTh]

But it didn't happen, did you live in the 60s? did you see how people got on? there were no street gangs stabbing each other, black,white,asian kids all played together happily, no do gooders saying ,"You mustnt call him/her by that name "because no one did call each other racist names...the do gooders have brought all this race hate onYou seem to have re-written history there. I dont recall this Utopia. I do recall my father telling me about how he was gonna kill this guy at work in the 60's cuz the guy had been winding him up all day. The concept of my mild mannered dad actually killing someone is something I cannot get my head around so this guy must have really wound him up get him in such a state. Your recollections are not what I remember or my family remember.

[Liam-]

Some people live life with rose tinted glasses, if they didn't see it happen, it couldn't have happened, that seems like the case here.

[Marsh.]

But it didn't happen, did you live in the 60s? did you see how people got on? there were no street gangs stabbing each other, black,white,asian kids all played together happily, no do gooders saying ,"You mustnt call him/her by that name "because no one did call each other racist names...the do gooders have brought all this race hate on

Either you have come from an alternate dimension or you dreamt this beautiful world with no conflict.

[Northern Monkey]

But it didn't happen, did you live in the 60s? did you see how people got on? there were no street gangs stabbing each other, black,white,asian kids all played together happily, no do gooders saying ,"You mustnt call him/her by that name "because no one did call each other racist names...the do gooders have brought all this race hate onExactly.Oppression creates resentment,anarchy and extremism.

[chuff me dizzy]

If there was never a problem back then, then why would anyone try to change it Chuff? :think:

Because they thought they should ,for what reason i dont know, i can only speak from experience ,When i was small I lived on a 100% white street,black people and asian people were hardly over here then ...... then 2 black families moved in ,then an asian family EVERYONE got on with everyone ,why can't it be like that now? because people are sick of being told what they can say and not say ,my daughter was called white trash at school by a mixed race child ,when i complained i was told it wasn't racist !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Exactly.Oppression creates resentment,anarchy and extremism.

EXACTLY, thats why i fight for freedom of speech and always will

[Marsh.]

Because they thought they should ,for what reason i dont know, i can only speak from experience ,When i was small I lived on a 100% white street,black people and asian people were hardly over here then ...... then 2 black families moved in ,then an asian family EVERYONE got on with everyone ,why can't it be like that now? because people are sick of being told what they can say and not say ,my daughter was called white trash at school by a mixed race child ,when i complained i was told it wasn't racist !!

Because obviously this utopian street is representative of the whole country if not the whole world.

Black people and other minorities had it so easy back then.

[ebandit]

if ken was champion of free speech he would manage to express his opinion

without insulting

Mark L

[Niamh.]

Because they thought they should ,for what reason i dont know, i can only speak from experience ,When i was small I lived on a 100% white street,black people and asian people were hardly over here then ...... then 2 black families moved in ,then an asian family EVERYONE got on with everyone ,why can't it be like that now? because people are sick of being told what they can say and not say ,my daughter was called white trash at school by a mixed race child ,when i complained i was told it wasn't racist !!

Ah Chuff come on, people don't campaign to change things if everything is just fine and no one is upset, that makes no sense at all. Maybe where you lived was the exception to the rule but you've just heard here from a black person an account of what his father went through and someone else posted a link about how black people still were expected to stand up for a white person on buses in the 50's so clearly it was very much an issue, one that you didn't see obviously

[chuff me dizzy]

You seem to have re-written history there. I dont recall this Utopia. I do recall my father telling me about how he was gonna kill this guy at work in the 60's cuz the guy had been winding him up all day. The concept of my mild mannered dad actually killing someone is something I cannot get my head around so this guy must have really wound him up get him in such a state. Your recollections are not what I remember or my family remember.

Over the colour of his skin or another reason ?

[Liam-]

if ken was champion of free speech he would manage to express his opinion

without insulting

Mark L

Exactly this

[Niamh.]

if ken was champion of free speech he would manage to express his opinion

without insulting

Mark L

excellent point

[Marsh.]

Perfect World Rule 304: The victim did something to deserve it.

[LukeB]

this thread is so messy

[chuff me dizzy]

Ah Chuff come on, people don't campaign to change things if everything is just fine and no one is upset, that makes no sense at all. Maybe where you lived was the exception to the rule but you've just heard here from a black person an account of what his father went through and someone else posted a link about how black people still were expected to stand up for a white person on buses in the 50's so clearly it was very much an issue, one that you didn't see obviously

Im speaking of what i know .......I never saw a black person have to stand for a white person on our buses, that didn't happen in England, this person must be talking of USA

[Marsh.]

Im speaking of what i know .......I never saw a black person have to stand for a white person on our buses, that didn't happen in England, this person must be talking of USA

You never saw. So therefore it never happened.

Tunnel vision at its best.

[Gusto Brunt]

I don't believe in free speech. Newspapers want free speech because they make money from it.

I don't believe in free speech either. There are always boundaries, taste and decency...

[Northern Monkey]

EXACTLY, thats why i fight for freedom of speech and always will
Imo freedom of speech does'nt exist as long as laws exist.For example you can't legally threaten somebody.I think the whole concept of freedom of speech is a myth.There is always a limit to what one can say.

[Liam-]

Im speaking of what i know .......I never saw a black person have to stand for a white person on our buses, that didn't happen in England, this person must be talking of USA

Some people live life with rose tinted glasses, if they didn't see it happen, it couldn't have happened, that seems like the case here.

I hate to say i told you so.

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't believe in free speech either. There are always boundaries, taste and decency...

Our relatives died in wars to give us our freedom ,we have rights too you know ,what a sick thing to say "I dont believe in freedom of speech"

[Liam-]

Lmfao, that's the thing she finds sick, brilliant.

[Jake.]

my daughter was called white trash at school by a mixed race child ,when i complained i was told it wasn't racist !!

Why would you complain if you believe and fight for (what you define as) free speech?

[Marsh.]

Lmfao, that's the thing she finds sick, brilliant.

Shut it gay boy. :fist:

[Jake.]

You never saw. So therefore it never happened.

Tunnel vision at its best.

Pretty much what this thread contains.

[Marsh.]

Why would you complain if you believe and fight for (what you define as) free speech?

:clap1: Nail. Head.

[GiRTh]

Over the colour of his skin or another reason ?Are you trying to wind me up. Of course it was over the colour of his skin. There were monkey remarks and chant, sambo, darky, n****, nig nog, coon all that good sh*t. My dad was working as a laborer on a building site and the guy had been at him all day. My dad jumped out of a forklift and luckily someone stepped in but strangely the abuse stopped after that.

Dont try and be clever you're recollection of history is bullsh*t and you know it.

[MB.]

Why would you complain if you believe and fight for (what you define as) free speech?

Reading the whole the whole thread would just make my head hurt so I'll repeat this.

Don't defend something that you wouldn't defend if the tables were turned.

[Daniel.]

my daughter was called white trash at school by a mixed race child ,when i complained i was told it wasn't racist !!

That's because it's not racist, rude yes, but not racist.

I won't get into that now :laugh:

[Liam-]

Shut it gay boy. :fist:

Typical of a straight person, you make me sick :fist:

[Jake.]

Dont try and be clever you're recollection of history is bullsh*t and you know it.

Using the term 'recollection' is pushing it, if I didn't know better I'd say that history was being re-written.

[chuff me dizzy]

Why would you complain if you believe and fight for (what you define as) free speech?

You really are very immature

[Brooklyn]

"Free speech" exists. Just as much as the right of people to react to said free speech. Case in point, BB removing Ken for his (likely) offending of viewers with his vitriol.

He has the right to say what he does, as does anyone else, but he'll likely end up a sad, lonely old man because most of society understands that his opinions are outdated and offensive.

[rionablue]

40 years before he decided he didn't like it ? can't have been that bad then could it ? ,people today are just bloody stupid, ask the majority of black people, its not THEM who moan, its other tree huggers who do it for them, its the tree huggers who cause the tension

Chuff that is a horrible thing to say about the posters Dad. I think you are going overboard. Many people suffer on in silence from bullying words and racial slurs because they want to keep their job and try and earn money. I seriously think you need to tone it down chuff when it comes to posters families. Sorry

[Jake.]

You really are very immature

Look what the pot's calling kettle. You've even gone as far as dragging down posters family members in an attempt to prove a point which you know sod all about.

[RichardG]

Why would you complain if you believe and fight for (what you define as) free speech?

:clap1: couldn't have put it better myself!

[Northern Monkey]

The idea of 'free speech' is that you have the right to offend anyone,You have the right to be offended but you don't have the right to tell somebody not to offend you.It does'nt exist.

[Liam-]

Look what the pot's calling kettle.

Racist :rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

You really are very immature

Why can't you stick to the topic and answer his question, which is a fair one.

Why did you complain if you believe so strongly in free speech?

Either you too have your limits to what you would allow to be said (maybe as long as it's not in your own backyard affecting you) or your example was a blatant lie that failed to back up your argument.

[Jake.]

Why can't you stick to the topic and answer his question, which is a fair one.

Why did you complain if you believe so strongly in free speech?

Either you too have your limits to what you would allow to be said (maybe as long as it's not in your own backyard affecting you) or your example was a blatant lie that failed to back up your argument.

Hopefully we get a proper answer soon :fc:

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff that is a horrible thing to say about the posters Dad. I think you are going overboard. Many people suffer on in silence from bullying words and racial slurs because they want to keep their job and try and earn money. I seriously think you need to tone it down chuff when it comes to posters families. Sorry

I asked in a civilised manner why his Dad stood it so long if things were so bad, nothing wrong in that ,I would not stay 40 years in a job i hated, In those days jobs were easy to get, you could leave one job on a Friday and start a new one on a Monday ( as i did several times) ,don't try to make things up about what you THINK I meant or said

[Marsh.]

40 years before he decided he didn't like it ? can't have been that bad then could it ? ,people today are just bloody stupid, ask the majority of black people, its not THEM who moan, its other tree huggers who do it for them, its the tree huggers who cause the tension

Yes, because back then black people had equal rights. He should've just given up his job or reported all of the abuse.

Oh wait...

[chuff me dizzy]

Why can't you stick to the topic and answer his question, which is a fair one.

Why did you complain if you believe so strongly in free speech?

Either you too have your limits to what you would allow to be said (maybe as long as it's not in your own backyard affecting you) or your example was a blatant lie that failed to back up your argument.

Why can't you stop baiting for a row, in your little pack ?

[Marsh.]

Why can't you stop baiting for a row, in your little pack ?

I'll ask you again, stick to the topic. No baiting, but a discussion of the topic. Stick to it.

[MB.]

Hopefully we get a proper answer soon :fc:

something something PC brigade something something immature something something tree huggers something something good old days

I can't see this thread getting anywhere on either side. If there's a lesson learnt over these past few days, it's not to protest someone's ejection. Only causes more drama (...somehow).

[Jake.]

I asked in a civilised manner why his Dad stood it so long if things were so bad, nothing wrong in that ,I would not stay 40 years in a job i hated, In those days jobs were easy to get, you could leave one job on a Friday and start a new one on a Monday ( as i did several times) ,don't try to make things up about what you THINK I meant or said

Difference is you wasn't in a minority. Whatever this image you have of the 60's being some fluffy land with no racism and everybody skipping down the road together doesn't exist. As a black male, it would have no doubt of been harder.

[Jake.]

Why can't you stop baiting for a row, in your little pack ?

Why can't you answer a simple question? You fight so strongly for free speech (in your own words), so why fight against it?

[chuff me dizzy]

Difference is you wasn't in a minority. Whatever this image you have of the 60's being some fluffy land with no racism and everybody skipping down the road together doesn't exist. As a black male, it would have no doubt of been harder.

Were you born in the 60s ?

[RichardG]

Why can't you stop baiting for a row, in your little pack ?

No one baited you? :conf: You were asked a question.

[Liam-]

Were you born in the 60s ?

Were you ever racially abused? I highly doubt it, there's no comparison to be had between you having multiple jobs and someone being racially abused at his job, what a ridiculous thing to try and do.

[rionablue]

I asked in a civilised manner why his Dad stood it so long if things were so bad, nothing wrong in that ,I would not stay 40 years in a job i hated, In those days jobs were easy to get, you could leave one job on a Friday and start a new one on a Monday ( as i did several times) ,don't try to make things up about what you THINK I meant or said

You said if he stayed that long it couldn't have been all that bad then. People are different and I like you chuff but I really really think you are getting far too personal at times. I stayed in a job I was verbally bullied in for years because I needed the money and it was difficult to get anything else. Thankfully I left it even though I should have done it years before. You said WELL IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN THAT BAD THEN. Chuff honestly Im baffled with your attitude lately but hey its freedom of speech I guess

[Marsh.]

Well, the avoidance of the question and now the whole topic altogether gives me all the answer I need now anyway.

[Jake.]

Well, the avoidance of the question and now the whole topic altogether gives me all the answer I need now anyway.

Yep, pretty much done here.

[chuff me dizzy]

Why can't you answer a simple question? You fight so strongly for free speech (in your own words), so why fight against it?

If my daughter had called this vile little scrote black she would have been excluded, but it was ok for him to call her ? no it was not

[Marsh.]

If my daughter had called this vile little scrote black she would have been excluded, but it was ok for him to call her ? no it was not

Calling him black wouldn't have caused any drama at all.

Is your daughter from a minority group? No.