'It's not racist, it's out-dated'

[Jake.]

His comments from Loose Women.. Do you agree?

Poll incoming

[smudgie]

:nono: his comments may be out dated accordng to him, but he js fully aware that it is racist now. He was warned by BB the first time so should have abstained the second time.

[Pincho Paxton]

It's neither. It's inaccurate to use a Nigerian term on people who are not from Nigeria, but the feeling of insult is part of the psyche of the individual being insulted.

If people called me Frenchy, and I'm from England I am not insulted. My psyche is tolerant of the wording.

[Denver]

Its both TBH

[Niamh.]

Also the first time he used the word he was talking like he was talking to a slave which is highly racist

[Liam-]

No i don't agree, as Smudgie said, he is fully aware of the connotations and the consequences he would receive if he used them

[Kizzy]

I think you should clarify which N word.

[Jake.]

I think you should clarify which N word.

The N word he used.

[Niamh.]

I think you should clarify which N word.

He only used one N word Kizzy

[Pincho Paxton]

He only used one N word Kizzy

He used 2 terms... ******, and negro. Hmmm negro is unfiltered interesting!

[Niamh.]

He used 2 terms... ******, and negro. Hmmm negro is unfiltered interesting!

When did he use ******? Are sure about that? :shocked:

[Jake.]

He used 2 terms... ******, and negro.

He didn't, he used the second term you've posted twice, both in different conversations.

[poppsywoppsy]

I agree that it was outdated. The second time he was recalling a situation, word for word and thought if Frank Bruno hadn't minded, it was OK.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt there.

I am of an older generation, I have to correct my mother at times over her references, which were perfectly acceptable in her earlier life and are a no no now.

So many things are different and if you were brought up to think things were right or wrong then, only to find the total reverse is correct today, some older people need to know what is acceptable and need to be informed.

Who knows, many of the things we find acceptable today might not be the case in the future and we will have to modify our thoughts again.

[LukeB]

He only used one N word Kizzy

I think what she means is what word did he use i think?

the one Emily(BB8) used or the other one

[Pincho Paxton]

When did he use the ******? :shocked:

I think he said it first, and then For Frank Bruno used the unfiltered version.

[Niamh.]

I think he said it first, and then For Frank Bruno used the unfiltered version.

No he used N***o both times

[Kizzy]

He said Negro not N***** and it wasn't filtered as it's not seen as an offensive term seemingly.

[Jake.]

I think he said it first, and then For Frank Bruno used the unfiltered version.

Na, he used the 'negro' term in both conversations

[Jake.]

He said Negro not N***** and it wasn't filtered as it's not seen as an offensive term seemingly.

So if you knew which he used why did you ask?

[Niamh.]

I think what she means is what word did he use i think?

the one Emily(BB8) used or the other one

No she's fully aware of what term he used :laugh:

[Pincho Paxton]

No he used N***o both times

I am not sure to be honest, but something seemed different about the Frank Bruno comment.

[LukeB]

No she's fully aware of what term he used :laugh:

Oh i read it wrong :laugh:

[Withano]

Its literally the embodiment of racism. The people who are defending him in anyway are shameful.

[Niamh.]

I am not sure to be honest, but something seemed different about the Frank Bruno comment.

The context in which he used the word the first time was worse but it was the same word, I'm 100% sure of that

[Jake.]

The context in which he used the word the first time was worse but it was the same word, I'm 100% sure of that

Yeah, it was the same word

[Northern Monkey]

The first time he said it was blatent racism 'fat negro'.The second time he said it he was relaying a conversation he had previously had so was not trying to offend anyone.However he knew it would get him kicked as he'd been previously warned about using the word.

[rusticgal]

I agree that it was outdated. The second time he was recalling a situation, word for word and thought if Frank Bruno hadn't minded, it was OK.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt there.

I am of an older generation, I have to correct my mother at times over her references, which were perfectly acceptable in her earlier life and are a no no now.

So many things are different and if you were brought up to think things were right or wrong then, only to find the total reverse is correct today, some older people need to know what is acceptable and need to be informed.

Who knows, many of the things we find acceptable today might not be the case in the future and we will have to modify our thoughts again.

Well said....I totally agree with you. The first time he used it he slipped into 'role play' with the accent etc.....although that doesn't make it acceptable.
But you are so right with the generation thing. My dad once used a word pointing out a team mate at my sons football match...it wasn't that bad but I didn't like him using it....it didn't seem right!!

[MTVN]

Well it's outdated because it's now considered racially offensive, kinda silly of him to make out its two different issues

It has a very different history to the other N word though so I don't think they should be treated the same

[Niamh.]

Well it's outdated because it's now considered racially offensive, kinda silly of him to make out its two different issues

It has a very different history to the other N word though so I don't think they should be treated the same

Not exactly the same no but the way he used the word to Alexander made it as bad as the other N word

[Crimson Dynamo]

Does Ken think black people are subhuman, below white people?

No

Are the twitter generation just reacting to a word?

Yes


he is not a racist he just used a word that now people wet their pants about

big, big difference

[GiRTh]

He'd been warned about the word so for me I have no sympathy whether he was quoting in the 2nd instance. The fact he's now saying its outdated not racist also tells me that he knew exactly what he was doing and saying all along. I think he's making it worse with this bullshi*t and I'm having less sympathy the more I hear.

[Jamesy]

Does Ken think black people are subhuman, below white people?

No

Are the twitter generation just reacting to a word?

Yes


he is not a racist he just used a word that now people wet their pants about

big, big difference

:clap1:

[Ammi]

...I don't think that his age is any excuse at all, there have been many older housemates on BB and also on other reality shows who have never said the things that Ken has said because they know it's completely disrespectful to do so...

[poppsywoppsy]

...I don't think that his age is any excuse at all, there have been many older housemates on BB and also on other reality shows who have never said the things that Ken has said because they know it's completely disrespectful to do so...

I wasnt saying it was an excuse, a reason more like.

The outside world is not all PC at times and he used the word recounting a situation, where it was used and not found unacceptable by Frank Bruno quite some time ago.

Times have changed

[Ammi]

I wasnt saying it was an excuse, a reason more like.

The outside world is not all PC at times and he used the word recounting a situation, where it was used and not found unacceptable by Frank Bruno quite some time ago.

Times have changed

..I hadn't actually seen your post, Poppy but was commenting on the thread title...I have read it now though and yeah times have changed but not to the extent that it was even that widely used or acceptable 'back in the day' in my own personal experience...the terms that Ken has used have always been seen as derogatory...

[Braden]

I had this debate with my mum and dad the other day.

We were all shocked by what Ken said, but my mum began to explain how back when she was a child it was perfectly acceptable to use the term 'coloured'. I started arguing that regardless of whether it was okay to use that word in the 70's or now the connotations behind it are exactly the same, and it should never be deemed as an 'acceptable' term.

I feel the same way in this instance. Of course Ken has a point that the word is outdated, but that's because people are becoming more aware of what offends people. The word Ken said offended Alexander in this day of age, and would have offended black people years ago too.

[the truth]

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

[Jake.]

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

Yeah because Ken's fluent in Spanish

[GiRTh]

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversationHe'd already been warned but still uses the word. BB had no option.

[the truth]

He'd been warned about the word so for me I have no sympathy whether he was quoting in the 2nd instance. The fact he's now saying its outdated not racist also tells me that he knew exactly what he was doing and saying all along. I think he's making it worse with this bullshi*t and I'm having less sympathy the more I hear.

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....

[Kizzy]

No she's fully aware of what term he used :laugh:

Of course I am, I was asking the OP which N word they meant.

[Marsh.]

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

Funny looking Spanish dude.

[GiRTh]

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....The misogyny is boring.

[the truth]

The misogyny is boring.

not as boring as the male hate on here and on the show and even moreso on the sexist bbots fiasco.......theres infinitely more sexism against men than women in this show and throughout western society

[Kizzy]

The misogyny is boring.

He has a fair point there actually those tw scenarios happened but were not taken as seriously as the might have been.

[Ammi]

I had this debate with my mum and dad the other day.

We were all shocked by what Ken said, but my mum began to explain how back when she was a child it was perfectly acceptable to use the term 'coloured'. I started arguing that regardless of whether it was okay to use that word in the 70's or now the connotations behind it are exactly the same, and it should never be deemed as an 'acceptable' term.

I feel the same way in this instance. Of course Ken has a point that the word is outdated, but that's because people are becoming more aware of what offends people. The word Ken said offended Alexander in this day of age, and would have offended black people years ago too.

..it was interesting that in one of the newspapers, Ken's son made no excuses and apologised for his dad's behaviour in the house...I doubt that if Ken would use the terms he did in the house, that it's the first time he's ever used them which his family would also have heard him do as well...so I would have thought that his children may have had similar conversations with him and yet he still does it....

[GiRTh]

not as boring as the male hate on here and on the show and even moreso on the sexist bbots fiasco.......theres infinitely more sexism against men than women in this show and throughout western society
I hope you find some peace in your life. You seem very angry.

[the truth]

I hope you find some peace in your life. You seem very angry.

Im perfectly content thanks for caring, you sound absolutely furious good luck in dealing with that

[Jake.]

Take the misogyny talk elsewhere and stick on topic

[GiRTh]

He has a fair point there actually those tw scenarios happened but were not taken as seriously as the might have been.Those two scenario were dealt with by BB in a way they thought appropriate. Were they fair? Probably not but they've gone now and I dont see the point in being angry about what happened on a TV show years ago.

[GiRTh]

Im perfectly content thanks for caring, you sound absolutely furious good luck in dealing with thatDo I sound furious? Looks like I need to up the medication. Thanks for the help. :thumbs:

I'm not the one fighting some imaginary fight against the man haters.

[Braden]

..it was interesting that in one of the newspapers, Ken's son made no excuses and apologised for his dad's behaviour in the house...I doubt that if Ken would use the terms he did in the house, that it's the first time he's ever used them which his family would also have heard him do as well...so I would have thought that his children may have had similar conversations with him and yet he still does it....

Some of it is down to age, not all of it because there are older people who wouldn't dream of using that language.

It's just a shame that Ken isn't really with the times and doesn't know what is acceptable/unacceptable. The fact that Ken kept going on about providing 'controversy' and wanting to leave doesn't really help how his intentions may be construed.

[Tip]

It's not down to age at all, it's attitude. Ken knows, and then he was informed and warned on top. He was just being an arse.

[Braden]

It's not down to age at all, it's attitude. Ken knows, and then he was informed and warned on top. He was just being an arse.

I'm not saying it's all down to age. I think attitude and age can be related in this instance because of how society treated black people.

And like I said some older people felt (still so) that it was acceptable to use racist terms because they were never chastised for doing so.

[Kizzy]

Those two scenario were dealt with by BB in a way they thought appropriate. Were they fair? Probably not but they've gone now and I dont see the point in being angry about what happened on a TV show years ago.

The ear biting wasn't years ago.. it was a couple of days ago, and it wasn't dealt with at all.

[Marsh.]

The ear biting wasn't years ago.. it was a couple of days ago, and it wasn't dealt with at all.

Hard to discuss that considering we didn't see the incident never mind any action that was taken.

[GiRTh]

The ear biting wasn't years ago.. it was a couple of days ago, and it wasn't dealt with at all.
I dont know what happened so I cant comment.

[Kizzy]

Hard to discuss that considering we didn't see the incident never mind any action that was taken.

Nobody saw what happened in the toilet but that seems to be open to discussion.

[Pincho Paxton]

It depends on whether you believe Ken. You don't have to see it. I just happen to believe him.

[Tip]

I'm not saying it's all down to age. I think attitude and age can be related in this instance because of how society treated black people.

And like I said some older people felt (still so) that it was acceptable to use racist terms because they were never chastised for doing so.

Most people are in touch enough with reality to know that things that went on back in the day aren't acceptable now. I have my doubts that many are truly ignorant of the facts but I have come across plenty who are just plainly stubborn and want to challenge what is "acceptable or not" now.

[Marsh.]

Nobody saw what happened in the toilet but that seems to be open to discussion.

No but both Jeremy and Chloe confirmed what happened in the house and the situation was dealt with and we saw and heard it unfold onscreen.

Not really comparable.

[Kizzy]

No but both Jeremy and Chloe confirmed what happened in the house and the situation was dealt with and we saw and heard it unfold onscreen.

Not really comparable.

Not comparable as even BB didn't see what happened as it was in the toilet. All we have is the two sides.
What we heard unfold was 99% hysteria.

[Nedusa]

Is it still Racist if you recount a racist incident or story to another person.

Is it racist if you use the acceptable term "Negro"

Is it racist if you only if you use the other word that sounds like snigger.

Is it racist only if the word,sentence,phrase or story is uttered to hurt anothers feelings.

Where is the handbook on racism so Non Racists can check what the rules are and check what is acceptable.





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[Ammi]

Some of it is down to age, not all of it because there are older people who wouldn't dream of using that language.

It's just a shame that Ken isn't really with the times and doesn't know what is acceptable/unacceptable. The fact that Ken kept going on about providing 'controversy' and wanting to leave doesn't really help how his intentions may be construed.


..I think he's very much in the times though, Braden... especially with the industry he works in so if he knows it's wrong but continues to do so then it's extremely ignorant and disrespectful...

[Marsh.]

Not comparable as even BB didn't see what happened as it was in the toilet. All we have is the two sides.
What we heard unfold was 99% hysteria.

Two sides.... which are exactly the same.

Chloe claimed Jeremy opened her gown, Jeremy admitted he opened her gown.
Jeremy apologised and Big Brother removed him.

Pretty clean cut situation.

This situation Ken has mentioned we haven't seen anything of it, let alone heard Cami's side.

[bots]

we did hear Cami's side, she lost her balance and fell on kens ear causing significant pain to her teeth ... see the other thread :)

[Daniel.]

It's racist, he called a black person the N world, in what world is it not racist?

[Kizzy]

Two sides.... which are exactly the same.

Chloe claimed Jeremy opened her gown, Jeremy admitted he opened her gown.
Jeremy apologised and Big Brother removed him.

Pretty clean cut situation.

This situation Ken has mentioned we haven't seen anything of it, let alone heard Cami's side.

Not that clean, I don't believe he expected her to be nakey..
So that turned his action into an assault seemingly.
There is a thread somewhere where the ear biting convo is mentioned.

[thinkingoutloud]

Keep digging Ken.

Looks like he wasn't doing it just for the show after all. :hehe:

[Marsh.]

Not that clean, I don't believe he expected her to be nakey..
So that turned his action into an assault seemingly.
There is a thread somewhere where the ear biting convo is mentioned.

A thread. I'm talking about the show. :laugh:

I never said he knew she was naked, that's not the point.
The point is he opened her gown and she got upset. He apologised, she forgives him but BB deemed his behaviour so inappropriate he was removed.

We haven't seen any events surrounding this ear bite unfold so can't really discuss it.

[bots]

A thread. I'm talking about the show. :laugh:

I never said he knew she was naked, that's not the point.
The point is he opened her gown and she got upset. He apologised, she forgives him but BB deemed his behaviour so inappropriate he was removed.

We haven't seen any events surrounding this ear bite unfold so can't really discuss it.

Its never stopped everyone before, no reason for it to be different this time :cheer2:

[Niamh.]

Nobody saw what happened in the toilet but that seems to be open to discussion.

Well the bathroom stuff was aired, we heard what was going on and both Chloe and Jeremy gave pretty much the same version of events. As far as the ear biting goes, all we have is what Ken said, we don't have footage or any comment on it from Cami

[poppsywoppsy]

I'm not saying it's all down to age. I think attitude and age can be related in this instance because of how society treated black people.

And like I said some older people felt (still so) that it was acceptable to use racist terms because they were never chastised for doing so.

As it was accepted in those days, chastisement didn't come into it at all.

It will die out eventually when generations grow old and pass away but there is racial abuse by football crowds in this day and age who have grown up with these more enlightened attitudes, so it still happens.

[Marsh.]

Its never stopped everyone before, no reason for it to be different this time :cheer2:

Would you like to elaborate or not bother at all. Thanks. :smug:

[Marsh.]

Well the bathroom stuff was aired, we heard what was going on and both Chloe and Jeremy gave pretty much the same version of events. As far as the ear biting goes, all we have is what Ken said, we don't have footage or any comment on it from Cami

:clap1:

[Niamh.]

Some of it is down to age, not all of it because there are older people who wouldn't dream of using that language.

It's just a shame that Ken isn't really with the times and doesn't know what is acceptable/unacceptable. The fact that Ken kept going on about providing 'controversy' and wanting to leave doesn't really help how his intentions may be construed.

I think it's more he doesn't care that it's unacceptable rather than doesn't know, he's definitely been told atleast twice that it's unacceptable yet still choose to use the word again

[Robodog]

It's nothing like the word 'n----r' which is generally agreed to be an offensive term (there is no question about that).

There is probably no greater authority on the subject of 'Black' race relations than Martin Luther King. His preferred term for his own race was the word 'Negro'.

Even the US census of 2010 uses the word 'Negro' as a racial category - during Obama's presidency no less!

So when and why did it suddenly become a 'racist' term? Just for this new series of BB??

I think Ken, like most people, regarded it as a legitmate racial term such as 'hispanic' or 'caucasian', just as they are all used as racial categories in the offical US census of 2010.

This series of BB is the first time i have ever heard it considered offensive by anyone.

So if you think Ken is to be considered 'racist' simply by using that word, then it follows you must also regard both Martin Luther King AND Obama's government as racist too just for their use of the same word.

Bearing in mind they are probably the two most respected and loved Black figures in modern political/social history. it just doesn't make sense to me.

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[JoshBB]

Usual suspects in the 'it's just outdated' section - leathertrumpet, the truth.. :hehe:

[JoshBB]

It's nothing like the word 'n----r' which is generally agreed to be an offensive term (there is no question about that).

There is probably no greater authority on the subject of 'Black' race relations than Martin Luther King. His preferred term for his own race was the word 'Negro'.

Even the US census of 2010 uses the word 'Negro' as a racial category.

So when and why did it suddenly become a 'racist' term? Just for this new series of BB??

I think Ken, like most people, regarded it as a legitmate racial term such as 'hispanic' or 'caucasian', just as they are all used as racial categories in the offical US census of 2010.

This series of BB is the first time i have ever heard it considered offensive by anyone.

So if you think Ken is to be considered 'racist' simply by using that word, then it follows you must also regard both Martin Luther King AND the US government as racist too for their use of the word.

It doesn't make sense to me.

Racist against his own race.. yes that seems perfectly logical.

[Jose Mourinho]

Usual suspects in the 'it's just outdated' section - leathertrumpet, the truth.. :hehe:Nail on head.

[Jose Mourinho]

I have only seen Ken discussing the use of the word with 2 black people so far. Alex and the black lady on Loose Women. Both said the word is unacceptable and the lady on loose women pointed out it is also now seen as a racist word. I DONT see how this debate continues with such clear evidence pointing out the word IS racist and IS offensive.

[Robodog]

I have only seen Ken discussing the use of the word with 2 black people so far. Alex and the black lady on Loose Women. Both said the word is unacceptable and the lady on loose women pointed out it is also now seen as a racist word. I DONT see how this debate continues with such clear evidence pointing out the word IS racist and IS offensive.

The evidence is that the two most respected black figures in modern political history, being Barack Obama and Martin Luther King - BOTH use that word as a racial category (see Obama's US census of 2010). No wonder many people (Ken included) feel comfortable in using it as an acceptable racial term. Until now.

So what happened to make it racist all of a sudden? Who decided it was racist? BB?

Does that also now mean that ALL the racial categories on the census list are suddenly to be considered as equally racist: including 'hispanic', 'caucasian' etc?

Or if it's just 'Negro' that's to be considered offensive now, then what word are we supposed to use instead as the Black equivalent of 'Caucasian'?

And will that new word also become offensive in the next 4 years just as 'Negro' has from 2010 - 2014?

I'm just highlighting the insanity of it all here.

[Jose Mourinho]

The evidence is that the two most respected black figures in modern political history, being Barack Obama and Martin Luther King - BOTH use that word as a racial category (see Obama's US census of 2010). No wonder many people (Ken included) feel comfortable in using it as an acceptable racial term. Until now.

So what happened to make it racist all of a sudden? Who decided it was racist? BB?

Does that also now mean that ALL the racial categories on the census list are suddenly to be considered as equally racist: including 'hispanic', 'caucasian' etc?

Or if it's just 'Negro' that's to be considered offensive now, then what word are we supposed to use instead as the Black equivalent of 'Caucasian'?

And will that new word also become offensive in the next 4 years just as 'Negro' has from 2010 - 2014?

I'm just highlighting the insanity of it all here.No, its offensive. Would you be happy being called Blanc? Do you really call people negroes? I mean I cba with this convo. READ THIS. AN apology to Obama for the use of the word..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/harry-reid-negro-comment-_n_417406.html

Obama is ok with the use of the word is he? Case closed.

Cheers.

[Robodog]

No, its offensive. Would you be happy being called Blanc? Do you really call people negroes? I mean I cba with this convo. READ THIS. AN apology to Obama for the use of the word..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/harry-reid-negro-comment-_n_417406.html

Obama is ok with the use of the word is he? Case closed.

Cheers.

Obama was ok enough with the word to allow his administration to use it as an official racial category as recently as in their 2010 census. Only four years ago - it was a perfectly acceptable term on a governmental level. So what has happened since then to make it offensive? I have no idea.

Not saying it hasn't become offensive to some people since 2010 but what i'm highlighting is the bizarre confusion surrounding the use of the word when it has been used in a legitimate official capacity like the census and then suddenly becomes regarded as an offensive term on Big Brother within 4 short years. It's an alarming switch from one end of the acceptability scale to the other, in a very short space of time.

No wonder people are confused by it.

And seeing as you asked, I'm mixed race and am happy with the word blanc or negro. In fact, you can call me what you like. I am an adult and don't need anyone to police what people say to me, i can deal with it myself. I don't take offence unless people mean to cause me offence - no matter what language they use.

And if you CBA with this convo then don't bother yourself with it. And that's the case closed. Cheers.

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[Jose Mourinho]

Obama was ok enough with the word to allow his administration to use it as an official racial category in their 2010 census.

Not saying it hasn't become offensive to some people since 2010 but what i'm highlighting is the bizarre confusion surrounding the use of the word when it has been used in a legitimate official capacity like the census and then suddenly becomes regarded as an offensive term on Big Brother within 4 short years. It's an alarming switch from one end of the acceptability scale to the other, in a very short space of time.

No wonder people are confused by it.

And seeing as you asked, I'm mixed race and am happy with the word blanc or negro. In fact, you can call me what you like. I am an adult and don't need anyone to police what people say to me, i can deal with it myself. I don't take offence unless people mean to cause me offence - no matter what language they use.

And if you CBA with this convo then don't bother yourself with it. That's case closed. Cheers.Errr its actually been removed from the U.S census now.. Don't really think Obama was in presidency long enough nor did he have the time to have it removed by 2010. But it has been removed now. For obvious reasons. Case closed.

Cheers.

Go read about the history of the word. And why the meaning of it has changed over the years. It might simply be "A word" to you. But that word has a very SYMBOLIC meaning and we should respect and allow for that as decent, civilized human beings.

[the truth]

he wasn't called anyone a negro.....he was simply usuing it as part of a story. this is a grotesque over reaction and attack on free speech....by the way has anyone seen the roasts on American tv? now that's what you call freedom of speech

[Jose Mourinho]

he wasn't called anyone a negro.....he was simply usuing it as part of a story. this is a grotesque over reaction and attack on free speech....by the way has anyone seen the roasts on American tv? now that's what you call freedom of speechWhat about the first time he used the words whilst putting on A SOUTHERN AMERICAN accent? Was that a story too? What about "Pickaninny"? Was that a story too?

I am all for Freedom of speech... NOONE is stopping Ken from saying what he wants.. its not like hes been killed and ceases to exist...he still has Freedom of speech.

I am also allowed to exercise my Freedom of speech by blasting his use of the words...


Cheers.

[the truth]

What about the first time he used the words whilst putting on A SOUTHERN AMERICAN accent? Was that a story too? What about "Pickaninny"? Was that a story too?

I am all for Freedom of speech... NOONE is stopping Ken from saying what he wants.. its not like hes been killed and ceases to exist...he still has Freedom of speech.

I am also allowed to exercise my Freedom of speech by blasting his use of the words...


Cheers.

you blast away like perez doesn't sound too smart though.....I think the time he said that he was possibly trying to get a rise out of alexander and it was right bb had a word....though I say again he didn't name call anyone and he was merely making a point about the actual meaning of these words which was accurate.

[Jose Mourinho]

you blast away like perez doesn't sound too smart though.....I think the time he said that he was possibly trying to get a rise out of alexander and it was right bb had a word....though I say again he didn't name call anyone and he was merely making a point about the actual meaning of these words which was accurate.Don't compare me to Perez I am very much all man.

And thanks, you just admitted his use of the word was inappropriate.


Cheers. Run along now. Next subject.

[the truth]

Don't compare me to Perez I am very much all man.

And thanks, you just admitted his use of the word was inappropriate.


Cheers. Run along now. Next subject.

are you saying perez isn't all man, that's offensive:nono:
I didn't admit that either so youre being disingenuous (lying)
run along now youre out of your depth boy

[Jose Mourinho]

are you saying perez isn't all man, that's offensive:nono:
I didn't admit that either so youre being disingenuous (lying)
run along now youre out of your depth boy

Did you not say he was "Trying to get a rise out of Alexander"? (lie!?!?)

Who knows if Perez is all man or not? He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. Perhaps it is you who is out of your depth.

[the truth]

Did you not say he was "Trying to get a rise out of Alexander"?

Who knows if Perez is all man or not? He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. Perhaps it is you who are out of your depth.

it sounds homophobic to say hes not all man, tut tut , and to think you had the nerve to lecture others about what words to use, such hypocrisy

[Jose Mourinho]

it sounds homophobic to say hes not all man, tut tut , and to think you had the nerve to lecture others about what words to use, such hypocrisy


Well it sounds homophobe to you. But not to me.. Freedom of speech remember?

Run along now before you embarrass yourself even further.

[the truth]

Well it sounds homophobe to you. But not to me.. Freedom of speech remember?

Run along now before you embarrass yourself even further.

you think youre more man than perez and hes not a proper man because hes gay? wow how ignorant. then you go on to try and preach to others about what politically correct words you think they should be allowed to use? sounds like perez is more man after all

[Jose Mourinho]

you think youre more man than perez and hes not a proper man because hes gay? wow how ignorant. then you go on to try and preach to others about what politically correct words you think they should be allowed to use? sounds like perez is more man after all


Seems you either cannot read properly or are missing a pair of glasses somewhere.. Read again.

" He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. "

Do I really need to re- post my own posts to you? Is he not effeminate? I did not even mention the fact he is gay.. You cannot compare this to the actual subject of the thread. Keep on topic.

Cheers.

[the truth]

Seems you either cannot read properly or are missing a pair of glasses somewhere.. Read again.

" He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. "

Do I really need to re- post my own posts to you? Is he not effeminate? I did not even mention the fact he is gay.. You cannot compare this to the actual subject of the thread. Keep on topic.

Cheers.

more disingenuous nonsense jose....you said you were more man than him, that's pretty homophobic, shame on you....to think youre trying to lecture others on what language to use too lol what a joke

[Jose Mourinho]

more disingenuous nonsense jose....you said you were more man than him, that's pretty homophobic, shame on you....to think youre trying to lecture others on what language to use too lol what a joke

What I find a joke is the fact you cannot differentiate between being effeminate and being Homosexual.

Go look up both words in the dictionary. For your information, not all gay people are effeminate. To think you are so bad at debating. Thats the real joke here.

[the truth]

What I find a joke is the fact you cannot differentiate between being effeminate and being Homosexual.

Go look up both words in the dictionary. For your information, not all gay people are effeminate. To think you are so bad at debating. Thats the real joke here.

good try boy. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you've dug your homophobic hole yourself you may as well jump in and bury yourself and your reputation

[Jose Mourinho]

good try boy. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you've dug your homophobic hole yourself you may as well jump in and bury yourself and your reputationI don't see anything wrong with what I have said. Fool yourself all you want Mr NOT SO truth.

[the truth]

I don't see anything wrong with what I have said. Fool yourself all you want Mr NOT SO truth.

that shows the ignorance is deep rooted in you, scary.....telling a gay man youre more man than him is very offensive. educate yoruself

[Jose Mourinho]

that shows the ignorance is deep rooted in you, scary.....telling a gay man youre more man than him is very offensive. educate yoruselfEducate yourself and realise that not ALL gay people are effeminate like Perez.


If anyone here is being prejudice it is you. By assuming all gay men are effeminate. PLZ go bury your head in the sand like an ostrich man. Infact I never even mentioned the fact he was gay lmao! Infact what makes it even more funny is I just simply said not to compare us. You are a clown.

[the truth]

Educate yourself and realise that not ALL gay people are effeminate like Perez.


If anyone here is being prejudice it is you. By assuming all gay men are effeminate. PLZ go bury your head in the sand like an ostrich man. Infact I never even mentioned the fact he was gay lmao!

youre lying again. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you need to apologise then go away and educate yourself boy

[Jose Mourinho]

youre lying again. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you need to apologise then go away and educate yourself boyYou need to sober up. Your the one who is comparing being effeminate to homosexuality. Not me. Go learn a few things, then come back.. this exchange is about as stimulating as watching paint dry.

[Jose Mourinho]

youre lying again. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you need to apologise then go away and educate yourself boyInfact you should probably change you name from "thetruth" to "Denial" cos thats all you seem to do.. Deny the truth.

Cheers.

[Robodog]

Errr its actually been removed from the U.S census now.. Don't really think Obama was in presidency long enough nor did he have the time to have it removed by 2010. But it has been removed now. For obvious reasons. Case closed.

Cheers.

Go read about the history of the word. And why the meaning of it has changed over the years. It might simply be "A word" to you. But that word has a very SYMBOLIC meaning and we should respect and allow for that as decent, civilized human beings.

For someone who just told me you CBA with this convo, you seem unable to actually follow that through and walk away from it.

You are telling me to 'go read about the history of the word'? I know all about it son and i have given examples of its history. I am simply pointing out the confusion surrounding its use from being a very recent, accepted official racial category on the census in 2010 to suddenly switching and being an offensive term in 2015.

Yes it's 'A word' - but whatever term is used to describe racial types is always going to be 'A word'. And we need words to describe ourselves and the world around us. The question is - what words CAN we use without someone getting offended? My point being what is an acceptable term on mpnday may become unacceptable by wednesday, so how do you keep up? The rules keep changing and it's maddening, do you not see that?

For example - What word would YOU use to describe the racial type of Martin Luther King?

He didn't like the word 'black', he preferred the word 'negro'. But what would YOU call him?

[the truth]

You need to sober up. Your the one who is comparing being effeminate to homosexuality. Not me. Go learn a few things, then come back.. this exchange is about as stimulating as watching paint dry.

listen liar you said youre more man than perez did you or did you not?

[Jose Mourinho]

For someone who just told me you CBA with this convo, you seem unable to actually follow that through and walk away from it.

You are telling me to 'go read about the history of the word'? I know all about it son and i have given examples of its history. I am simply pointing out the confusion surrounding its use from being a very recent, accepted official racial category on the census in 2010 to suddenly switching and being an offensive term in 2015.

Yes it's 'A word' - but whatever term is used to describe racial types is always going to be 'A word'. And we need words to describe ourselves and the world around us. The question is - what words CAN we use without someone getting offended? My point being what is an acceptable term on mpnday may become unacceptable by wednesday, so how do you keep up? The rules keep changing and it's maddening, do you not see that?

For example - What word would YOU use to describe the racial type of Martin Luther King?

He didn't like the word 'black', he preferred the word 'negro'. But what would YOU call him?Martin Luther King was born when that word was acceptable. His use of it is far different from the one this thread is related to. To compare it to that is avoiding the reality of the situation. The word has now become unacceptable over the years. Do you not see that? And its not just "A word " anymore. The world is not as simple as that.

[Jose Mourinho]

listen liar you said youre more man than perez did you or did you not?Listen Mr denial. Go read what I've posted.

[Jamesy]

Err maybe you should both stop getting personal against one another :umm2:

[Jose Mourinho]

Err maybe you should both stop getting personal against one another :umm2:I only retaliate.

[Jose Mourinho]

I'll say it again!! I am more man than Perez! Perez is effeminate. I am not. I got nothing against homosexuals. So don't compare me and Perez.


Cheers.

[Pincho Paxton]

Perez is a bigger dick so he is more man than most people. :laugh:

[Jose Mourinho]

Perez is a bigger dick so he is more man than most people. :laugh:lol You have a point

[the truth]

I'll say it again!! I am more man than Perez! Perez is effeminate. I am not. I got nothing against homosexuals. So don't compare me and Perez.


Cheers.

homophobe

[Jose Mourinho]

homophobeStrange that your the only one who seems to think so, oh well whatever floats yo boat.

[the truth]

Strange that your the only one who seems to think so, oh well whatever floats yo boat.

I don't need to get every opinion validated by others, maybe you do, that would be weak and spineless, Im more man than that

[Jose Mourinho]

I don't need to get every opinion validated by others, maybe you do, that would be weak and spineless, Im more man than thatWell, when you accuse people of being "Homophobe" Which is actually a very strong accusation, it is probably a good idea to have more than one opinion to validate your accusation, otherwise, your accusation more often than not is deemed to be BullS$%^ which I think on this occasion is the word to use.

[Jose Mourinho]

This is like playing with my dog.

[Jose Mourinho]

I don't need to get every opinion validated by others, maybe you do, that would be weak and spineless, Im more man than that*Pats you on head*

[the truth]

Well, when you accuse people of being "Homophobe" Which is actually a very strong accusation, it is probably a good idea to have more than one opinion to validate your accusation, otherwise, your accusation more often than not is deemed to be BullS$%^ which I think on this occasion is the word to use.

homophobe

[Jose Mourinho]

homophobeYou seriously resorting to spamming one word answers? LOL go away man your boring me now :(

[Jose Mourinho]

*Throws bone*

LMAO

[the truth]

You seriously resorting to spamming one word answers? LOL go away man your boring me now :(

ah so you admit im a man now....more man than you

[Jose Mourinho]

ah so you admit im a man now....more man than youNot sure, never seen you. Don't really want to either already watch "Ouija" this morning scared me enough for one day.

[Robodog]

Martin Luther King was born when that word was acceptable. His use of it is far different from the one this thread is related to. To compare it to that is avoiding the reality of the situation. The word has now become unacceptable over the years. Do you not see that? And its not just "A word " anymore. The world is not as simple as that.

I knew you couldn't give that a straight answer because as you rightly say - the world is not as simple as that. But it should be - which is my point.

There is too much unnecessary confusion when it comes to words describing racial types. A word considered acceptable as recently as 2010 (in the census) is suddenly not acceptable come 2015. It's crazy and it causes people to be branded 'racist' today just for using a term that was acceptable yesterday - even when they have no racist intent whatsover. The goalposts moved and they never got the memo telling them what the new bad word of the day is.

I know Black people who prefer the word 'Negro' to the word 'Black' when it comes to describing their genetic lineage. They use 'negro' instead of 'black' as others would use 'caucasian' instead of 'white'. Are they wrong to have that preference?

[Jose Mourinho]

I knew you couldn't give that a straight answer because as you rightly say - the world is not as simple as that. But it should be - which is my point.

There is too much unnecessary confusion when it comes to words describing racial types. A word considered acceptable as recently as 2010 (in the census) is suddenly not acceptable come 2015. It's crazy and it causes people to be branded 'racist' today just for using a term that was acceptable yesterday - even when they have no racist intent whatsover. The goalposts moved and they never got the memo telling them what the new bad word of the day is.

I know Black people who prefer the word 'Negro' to the word 'Black' when it comes to describing their genetic lineage. They use 'negro' instead of 'black' as others would use 'caucasian' instead of 'white'. Are they wrong to have that preference?I did not go into detail because YOU said you knew the history of the word? But hell on a subject like this I'd be more than happy to write or link you some posts detailing what that word means.

It is not acceptable now. Stick to the facts. There is a reason it has been removed from the census and a reason it is no longer used by the U.S army and a reason why that guy apologised to Obama for using it in that link I gave you.

Sure they may be some very very very old school black people who still accept the word. But times have changed. The fact someone apologised to Obama for using the word says it all don't you think? And don't think of it as just a spanish word or an Italian word. Think of it from UK perspective.

[Robodog]

Well i'm mixed race and i've got no problem in describing my 'negro' genetics as such, same goes for my family. Same as i have no problem in describing my 'caucasian' genetics in the exact same terms.

But what word would you have us use in place of 'negro' then? Not that it matters, i'm just curious as to what your choice of acceptable language is.

[Jose Mourinho]

Well i'm mixed race and i've got no problem in describing my 'negro' genetics as such, same goes for my family. Same as i have no problem in describing my 'caucasian' genetics in the exact same terms.

But what word would you have us use in place of 'negro' then? Not that it matters, i'm just curious as to what your choice of acceptable language is.You cannot compare caucasian and Negro.. Black is the acceptable term nowadays.. Whereas back in the day it was vice versa.. Times change, we just have to respect and accept that certain words are and can become taboo.

If I know a simple word can offend someone, I will refrain from using it. That is not really a big ask is it?

Read this : http://time.com/3561227/u-s-army-plans-to-change-policy-approving-use-of-word-negro/

[Jose Mourinho]

People are just thinking of it as a word.. sure Caucasian would be the equivalent but they both have VERY different symbolic meanings.

[Robodog]

You cannot compare caucasian and Negro.. Black is the acceptable term nowadays.. Whereas back in the day it was vice versa.. Times change, we just have to respect and accept that certain words are and can become taboo.

If I know a simple word can offend someone, I will refrain from using it. That is not really a big ask is it?

Read this : http://time.com/3561227/u-s-army-plans-to-change-policy-approving-use-of-word-negro/

I totally can compare caucasian and negro as equal terms for racial type, especially when i have both genetic types in my own body. Times change of course but we are not puppets - we are the creators of our own reality. We do not have to blindly accept whatever the media tells us is the 'in' or 'out' words of the day. Especially when the media is fickle and changes its mind according to whim or fashion.

If we just follow the herd every time without question then we are giving our personal power away, carte blanche, which is a dangerous place to be. These debates are not just healthy - they are essential to our freedom.

Offence is not in the words alone - it is in the intention behind them. I'd rather have someone call me a 'negro' in jest, than have someone call me an 'disgusting pig' and mean it.

But in the BB house for example, you cannot say 'negro' in jest but you can scream 'disgusting pig' in someone's face and mean it. That, to me, is all wrong.

Too often we are getting caught up on the words and totally missing the intention behind them: which is where the real deal is.

I'm getting tired bro so i'm hitting the hay. Been good talking to you. Peace out.

[Jose Mourinho]

I totally can compare caucasian and negro as equal terms for racial type, especially when i have both genetic types in my own body. Times change of course but we are not puppets - we are the creators of our own reality. We do not have to blindly accept whatever the media tells us is the 'in' or 'out' words of the day. Especially when the media is fickle and changes its mind according to whim or fashion.

If we just follow the herd every time without question then we are giving our personal power away, carte blanche, which is a dangerous place to be. These debates are not just healthy - they are essential to our freedom.

Offence is not in the words alone - it is in the intention behind them. I'd rather have someone call me a 'negro' in jest, than have someone call me an 'disgusting pig' and mean it.

But in the BB house for example, you cannot say 'negro' in jest but you can scream 'disgusting pig' in someone's face and mean it. That, to me, is all wrong.

Too often we are getting caught up on the words and totally missing the intention behind them: which is where the real deal is.

I'm getting tired bro so i'm hitting the hay. Been good talking to you. Peace out.I'm all FOR not bowing down to media pressure but I know when to draw the line.

The media did not change the way we perceive that word. Society did. Over the course of a VERY long time. And for me? So be it. I can understand when I think about everything why some people can find the use of it in this day and age to be offensive, I can totally understand. It really is no big deal.

The fact is that word is now deemed unacceptable. If it was still acceptable it would still be a term used on the U.S census or we would hear it used commonly, we don't hear it used commonly and you and I know the reason why.


That word is unlike any other so when you say you can compare Caucasian to Negro you really cannot.. The words have totally EVOLVED in different ways.

One man may create a simple alphabetic word composed of simple letters in a dictionary one day but on another day THAT WORD may hold a totally different meaning due to a plethora of factors. Life EXPERIENCES and ACTIONS bear more weight and meaning than any alphabetic or spoken word could ever have and THAT can change many things in life and rightly so.

I only jumped when I saw the way Ken used it first time.. It was downright rude and just uncalled for. He also used "Pickaninny" which both caused offence to Alexander, he took offence quite clearly.

Noone uses that word anymore. Noone. Because people find it offensive. It is not the media who find it offensive. Black people do and if they do so what? There is a lot of history there so let's leave it to people like Obama and Alexander who have way more experience than us to decide if it is acceptable or not.

Been cool talking to you to bro PEACE.

[Mystic Mock]

Ken meant it in a racial way, he loved getting reactions out of people and he was hoping that one of Alexander or Keith would blow up at him about it.

[Jose Mourinho]

Ken meant it in a racial way, he loved getting reactions out of people and he was hoping that one of Alexander or Keith would blow up at him about it.I 100% agree with you. No, he may not be racist but he certainly did what he did to get attention. It was just so disrespectful the fact that he was actually willing to risk causing controversy by his nonchalant use of racially unacceptable words.

[Mystic Mock]

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....

What about when Ken spoke Jamaican to Alexander after Nadia threatened to call The Police on him? I don't think that Ken is a racist, but I do feel that he was out to make a name for himself on this series, and along with Perez he'll be remembered from this series.

[Robodog]

Noone uses that word anymore. Noone. Because people find it offensive. It is not the media who find it offensive. Black people do and if they do so what? There is a lot of history there so let's leave it to people like Obama and Alexander who have way more experience than us to decide if it is acceptable or not.

Been cool talking to you to bro PEACE.

Yeah you are right, some black people do find the word offensive: and some do not. You keep saying noone uses the word anymore but they do. It has been a perfectly acceptable term globally for generations, including during OUR generation (see the link below). I don't know why you have such trouble accepting that. It's not a slang term like 'n----r' or it would NEVER have been used on census forms, in sporting leagues or by Martin Luther King himself in his most famous 'I have a dream' speech. To remind you, here is evidence of examples of it's recent, mainstream acceptable use : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

And yeah it has been taken off the census NOW which is a sign of how the word has evolved - but that has only occurred VERY RECENTLY. Undeniable truth is that it was perfectly acceptable in Obama's 2010 census - which is ONLY a few years ago. If it really was as bad as you make out, for as long as you make out, then it simply would not have been on that 2010 census in the first place!

Do you honestly think either Obama's administration or the previous one (which included Condoleeza Rice) would knowingly put a racist term on the ethnic background section of their census form?! Of course not!

The word has evolved SINCE THEN. That's fair enough, things change. But that's a VERY fast turnaround from being acceptable in 2010 to unacceptable by 2015, so it's no wonder people are confused by it!

[the truth]

ken was on a wind up with everyone from the start. the show is a joke the contestants are a joke the sexist double standards are a joke....nadia basket case wanted to call the cops because ken liked womens arses (though clearly hers wasn't his type lol) he did try to rile but racist no chance

[Jose Mourinho]

Yeah you are right, some black people do find the word offensive: and some do not. You keep saying noone uses the word anymore but they do. It has been a perfectly acceptable term globally for generations, including during OUR generation (see the link below). I don't know why you have such trouble accepting that. It's not a slang term like 'n----r' or it would NEVER have been used on census forms, in sporting leagues or by Martin Luther King himself in his most famous 'I have a dream' speech. To remind you, here is evidence of examples of it's recent, mainstream acceptable use : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

And yeah it has been taken off the census NOW which is a sign of how the word has evolved - but that has only occurred VERY RECENTLY. Undeniable truth is that it was perfectly acceptable in Obama's 2010 census - which is ONLY a few years ago. If it really was as bad as you make out, for as long as you make out, then it simply would not have been on that 2010 census in the first place!

Do you honestly think either Obama's administration or the previous one (which included Condoleeza Rice) would knowingly put a racist term on the ethnic background section of their census form?! Of course not!

The word has evolved SINCE THEN. That's fair enough, things change. But that's a VERY fast turnaround from being acceptable in 2010 to unacceptable by 2015, so it's no wonder people are confused by it!

I have told you previously, that in Martin Luther king's era, that word was acceptable. So please don't compare it to anything that dates far back then when the word WAS acceptable. I have already told you this.

Obama did not put it on the U.S Census, it was there before he went into office but as you can see now, it has been rightly removed.


"According to Oxford Dictionaries, use of the word now seems out of date or even offensive in both British and US English"

That is the very last sentence in your Wikipedia link and probably the most important one.


So you say people still use that word comfortably? Who? Show us all.

[Jose Mourinho]

ken was on a wind up with everyone from the start. the show is a joke the contestants are a joke the sexist double standards are a joke....nadia basket case wanted to call the cops because ken liked womens arses (though clearly hers wasn't his type lol) he did try to rile but racist no chanceWait aren't you someone who champions Nigel Farage and UKIP and your trying to come here and have a clean and openly honest debate about racial subjects? LOL

[the truth]

Wait aren't you someone who champions Nigel Farage and UKIP and your trying to come here and have a clean and openly honest debate about racial subjects? LOL

I don't champion them but I do champion the fact the European union and the 587 page constitution is a disaster and that we do need tighter control of our borders. I presume you think that makes me racist???

[Jose Mourinho]

I don't champion them but I do champion the fact the European union and the 587 page constitution is a disaster and that we do need tighter control of our borders. I presume you think that makes me racist???Oh really now? Im sure I have seen you in another post extolling the virtues of Mr Farage.. oh wait..

For anyone reading this thread.. this is just how truthul "thetruth" is:


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269130&page=2


So...You tell the truth do you? There you are telling me you DONT support him but there you are in another thread applauding his "great work" LMAO


That's the truth.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh really now? Im sure I have seen you in another post extolling the virtues of Mr Farage.. oh wait..

For anyone reading this thread.. this is just how truthul "thetruth" is:


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269130&page=2


So...You tell the truth do you? There you are telling me you DONT support him but there you are in another thread applauding his "great work" LMAO


That's the truth.


h dear

[Jose Mourinho]

i am not The Truth, i am LT :joker:

and i never said anything about Nigel Farage, you did and he has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread or CBB


oh dearYou do notice I posted that to "thetruth" and not you yes? But funnily enough you are both quite similar in that you both appear on that thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oi Jose how are you going to deal with the fact that Alex O'Neal is a racist too?

[Jose Mourinho]

oi Jose how are you going to deal with the fact that Alex O'Neal is a racist too?TBH he is worst than Ken if what he said was true.

[DemolitionRed]

ED to say...oops, this has already been said.

[vouch4]

Not about who said what and in what context it was actually meant (objective) and more about who witnessed the dialogue and judged that it could be taken offence at by certain others if it was meant with a negative intention (subjective) No trying to be clever here but surely if we explorw this we find that there is a real chance that the original party 'could' have said something in a totally Innocent context whereas the judgemental witness is never able to claim a similar reason as by definition they are guilty 'every' time.
In Ken Morleys days they were known as ****-stirrers. In reality His offence is likely to be one of not being able to keeo up with the pace of p. c or the many contradictions around the policing of it, that makes him stupid for straying into areas of conversation he aint 100% about, not necessarily racially hostile? .

[vouch4]

For example.. I am all for never being permitted to use the so-called N words but would understand such severe sanctions if the word NAZI was reveered in the same way, or are our silent witnesses whoever they are applying some distinguishing abhorrent scale or other.
Personally happy to never hear the above slip past another humans lips but somebody needs to inform the rap industry who have just laced a chart record pumping out of my daughters bedroom containing the unmistakable word N i g g ** no less than 32 times in 4 minutes - ????? Let's get rid altogether or revert back to chastising those who misuse and abuse existing words, palatable or not, as a means of hurting their fellow humans.

[puzzled]

Alexander is American, and in the States, the N word is n***er. MLK used the word, "negro," and the United Negro College Fund is alive and well. However, "negro" is outdated and not used except by people who are racist or clueless. I guess we all have to decide for ourselves which Ken is.

[Jose Mourinho]

Not about who said what and in what context it was actually meant (objective) and more about who witnessed the dialogue and judged that it could be taken offence at by certain others if it was meant with a negative intention (subjective) No trying to be clever here but surely if we explorw this we find that there is a real chance that the original party 'could' have said something in a totally Innocent context whereas the judgemental witness is never able to claim a similar reason as by definition they are guilty 'every' time.
In Ken Morleys days they were known as ****-stirrers. In reality His offence is likely to be one of not being able to keeo up with the pace of p. c or the many contradictions around the policing of it, that makes him stupid for straying into areas of conversation he aint 100% about, not necessarily racially hostile? .As much as I dislike Alexander.... YOU must think of the FIRST time ken used the words Negro and Pickaninny..With THAT accent, which he put on to obviously cause some kind of provocation. (HE is not Alexander's friend, so don't even class it in that sense) My problem is how he was so nonchalant about doing that, to someone he barely knows. You may say he is not racist, but I will say he was extremely disrespectful to every black person by doing that. And he should have been removed then.

[Robodog]

I have told you previously, that in Martin Luther king's era, that word was acceptable. So please don't compare it to anything that dates far back then when the word WAS acceptable. I have already told you this.

Obama did not put it on the U.S Census, it was there before he went into office but as you can see now, it has been rightly removed.


"According to Oxford Dictionaries, use of the word now seems out of date or even offensive in both British and US English"

That is the very last sentence in your Wikipedia link and probably the most important one.


So you say people still use that word comfortably? Who? Show us all.

Obama may not have personally put the word on the 2010 census but the previous administration did, which included Condoleeza Rice. Do you think SHE would have allowed a racist term to be used on the ethnicity background section??

And do you honestly think Obama would also have allowed it to be used on a national census if it was considered as racist as you make it out to be?

And do you honestly think the president of the US has no power to stop it, even if he thought it was that bad at the time?

Fact is - the word was used in an official, national capacity as recently as 2010. You cannot dispute that.

So however old fashioned the term may be, it was still CLEARLY not considered racist by the US government as recently as 2010 - or it simply would not have been used AT ALL.

It's been changed since. no one is disputing that. But it was there in 2010 whether you like it or not. That proves hands down that it was not considered racist in an official capacity in 2010. That's only a few years ago. So therefore any official declaration of it being a racist term is a relatively recent thing (ie - since 2010)

There is nothing to argue about. It was given the ok in 2010 by the US govt and it isn't now. That's it.

[Jose Mourinho]

Obama may not have personally put the word on the 2010 census but the previous administration did, which included Condoleeza Rice. Do you think SHE would have allowed a racist term to be used on the ethnicity background section??

And do you honestly think Obama would also have allowed it to be used on a national census if it was considered as racist as you make it out to be?

And do you honestly think the president of the US has no power to stop it, even if he thought it was that bad at the time?

Fact is - the word was used in an official, national capacity as recently as 2010. You cannot dispute that.

So however old fashioned the term may be, it was still CLEARLY not considered racist by the US government as recently as 2010 - or it simply would not have been used AT ALL.

It's been changed since. no one is disputing that. But it was there in 2010 whether you like it or not. That proves hands down that it was not considered racist in an official capacity in 2010. That's only a few years ago. So therefore any official declaration of it being a racist term is a relatively recent thing (ie - since 2010)

There is nothing to argue about. It was given the ok in 2010 by the US govt and it isn't now. That's it.
"Was" being the operative word.