Katie upsets Alicia again with insults

[Calderyon]

Celebrity Big Brother 2015: Katie Hopkins upsets Alicia Douvall with insults

Alica Douvall was once again upset by Katie Hopkins in the CBB 2015 house this evening.

On Tuesday night’s show we saw Alicia and Katie clash over bananas of all things while a critical Katie blasted Alicia as being a “cruel” mum over her daughter’s diet.

In last night’s episode, Alicia confronted Katie about calling her cruel regarding her daughter’s diet and told her that she found it hurtful and that she didn’t sleep last night.

Alicia told Katie: ‘You’re not on Twitter now!’ Katie apologied to Alicia and they eventually agreed to ‘park it’.

However it’s not been ‘parked’ for long as the pair again clashed in the house tonight.

Battling for immunity from eviction, all of the housemates except the King (Perez) and Queen (Cami) took part in a talent show.

Katie’s talent was being insulting and she did a good job of it, targeting Alicia with a string of insults again about her diets and her “one brain cell”.

Alicia didn’t react during the show but later retreated to the bedroom to complain about the “hurtful” remarks.

She went on to warn the other housemates “I will blow hat her a one point, at one point I’m going to stick up for myself.”


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[GiRTh]

Kaite is a disgrace. How can anyone want her to win.

[Mystic Mock]

Alicia needs to not react, the right wing agenda that is Ch5 will just make her come out the loser on the edit.

[Pincho Paxton]

If you have a tallent for insulting people you should work for The SUN.... oh!

[rionablue]

Katie is a bitch and Alicia should grow UP and stand UP to her. DONT threaten to blow go on and blow for Gods sake

[Daniel.]

Katie is despicable, using Alicia as the target as she's too scared to stand up to the other girls. Bully's always pick on the weak

[Miranda123]

Kaite is a disgrace. How can anyone want her to win.

If Alicia cant take criticism then she shouldnt be telling people how stupid she is. Her childs enforced diet "if she begs for meat for two weeks, I might let her have some" Jesus, she would have been a great prison governor, or the owner of a workhouse, a la Oliver

I wonder if, when she gives her daughter a scrap of meat, does her daughter come back with a bowl saying "please Mother, could I have some more"

and she goes "MORE? MORE? you dare to ask for more, get in the corner and eat your pumpkin seeds like I told you"

She is a village idiot, without a village, and needs to shut the **** up about her crazy life and how she is determined to pass on her body dysmorphia to her kid!

I hope Katie keeps ripping into her, she deserves it, stupid bitch!

[Daniel.]

She doesn't deserve it at all, Katie's a weak ass basic bitch

[Miranda123]

Katie is despicable, using Alicia as the target as she's too scared to stand up to the other girls. Bully's always pick on the weak

yeah so Katie sticking Nadia in her place on Day 2 didnt happen on your telly??

Nadia avoids her and tries to goad others to argue with her, same as Perez, but it doesnt work, because most of the housemates really like her and hate them two

The nosey Nadia needs to mind her own, and Perez needs at least a year in an asylum!

[Stevep]

It's not even witty, it's just basic playground insults too. I mean how many more times are we going to to be treated to the '1 brain cell' diss?

[Miranda123]

She doesn't deserve it at all, Katie's a weak ass basic bitch

I think the last thing you can call Katie is a weak ass, at least her ass is HER OWN and not supplied by some idiot with a syringe and a dodgy DRs certificate

She has taken on allcomers so far, I would love to see Nadia stand up to her (which she wont) cause Katie would rip her a new one

Katie & Michelle & Cami Li for final three

[Daniel.]

She would't, she knows people would rip her a new one, she will oly conront Perez because he cries and Alicia because she's weak

[thinkingoutloud]

If she was that offended I wonder why she didn't bring it up at the time? :smug:

[Mystic Mock]

I gathered that you had to like Cami for the “fake ass” comment.

Will Katie take on someone that doesn't look weak? We'll wait and see as she will also not have to resort to insults that a toddler can make.

[Mystic Mock]

If she was that offended I wonder why she didn't bring it up at the time? :smug:

Maybe because she doesn't want to start arguments all the time?

[Pincho Paxton]

I gathered that you had to like Cami for the “fake ass” comment.

Will Katie take on someone that doesn't look weak? We'll wait and see as she will also not have to resort to insults that a toddler can make.

She's not known for taking on weak people...
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[Jake.]

She's a horrid woman, thought she was being a bit quiet so I'm guessing that now is the perfect opportunity to steal the limelight from Perez.. Just plain nasty, for no real reason whatsoever.

[jennyjuniper]

Alicia isn't as helpless or as innocent as she appears. Her wide eyed look is down to surgery, not meekness. She slept with men and then sold the stories and that doesn't compute with the persona she is trying to project now.
She is garnering the sympathy vote, when in reality she has done bugger all in the house. Yesterday, when she and Katy had their talk, after Katy apologised, they agreed to park it, but she still wouldn't stop harping on.
I don't like anyone being bullied, but methinks Alicia is milking the situation for all it's worth.

[Mystic Mock]

Alicia isn't as helpless or as innocent as she appears. Her wide eyed look is down to surgery, not meekness. She slept with men and then sold the stories and that doesn't compute with the persona she is trying to project now.
She is garnering the sympathy vote, when in reality she has done bugger all in the house. Yesterday, when she and Katy had their talk, after Katy apologised, they agreed to park it, but she still wouldn't stop harping on.
I don't like anyone being bullied, but methinks Alicia is milking the situation for all it's worth.

Tbf not many people are saying that Katie is bullying Alicia, we're saying that she's being mean to Alicia for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

[thinkingoutloud]

Maybe because she doesn't want to start arguments all the time?
If she was going to make the point eventually it wouldn't have really mattered when she came out with it. She clearly had no problem dragging it out even after Katie had apologised.

Alicia isn't as helpless or as innocent as she appears. Her wide eyed look is down to surgery, not meekness. She slept with men and then sold the stories and that doesn't compute with the persona she is trying to project now.
She is garnering the sympathy vote, when in reality she has done bugger all in the house. Yesterday, when she and Katy had their talk, after Katy apologised, they agreed to park it, but she still wouldn't stop harping on.
I don't like anyone being bullied, but methinks Alicia is milking the situation for all it's worth.
:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

If Alicia cant take criticism then she shouldnt be telling people how stupid she is. Her childs enforced diet "if she begs for meat for two weeks, I might let her have some" Jesus, she would have been a great prison governor, or the owner of a workhouse, a la Oliver

I wonder if, when she gives her daughter a scrap of meat, does her daughter come back with a bowl saying "please Mother, could I have some more"

and she goes "MORE? MORE? you dare to ask for more, get in the corner and eat your pumpkin seeds like I told you"

She is a village idiot, without a village, and needs to shut the **** up about her crazy life and how she is determined to pass on her body dysmorphia to her kid!

I hope Katie keeps ripping into her, she deserves it, stupid bitch!

Totally agree ......shes awful ,but hides behind the "poor little me" act, any Mother who makes her 3 yr old child nag for 2 weeks for meat is evil

[chuff me dizzy]

Alicia isn't as helpless or as innocent as she appears. Her wide eyed look is down to surgery, not meekness. She slept with men and then sold the stories and that doesn't compute with the persona she is trying to project now.
She is garnering the sympathy vote, when in reality she has done bugger all in the house. Yesterday, when she and Katy had their talk, after Katy apologised, they agreed to park it, but she still wouldn't stop harping on.
I don't like anyone being bullied, but methinks Alicia is milking the situation for all it's worth.

:clap1:

[Gusto Brunt]

Alicia isn't as helpless or as innocent as she appears. Her wide eyed look is down to surgery, not meekness. She slept with men and then sold the stories and that doesn't compute with the persona she is trying to project now.
She is garnering the sympathy vote, when in reality she has done bugger all in the house. Yesterday, when she and Katy had their talk, after Katy apologised, they agreed to park it, but she still wouldn't stop harping on.
I don't like anyone being bullied, but methinks Alicia is milking the situation for all it's worth.
:joker::joker::joker:

I noticed on the HLs last night, Alicia was saying words to the effect to Katie 'if I was rude to you...and said this and that...'

Katie didn't like it. She can give it but not take it.:joker::joker:

[Mick]

Katie is despicable, using Alicia as the target as she's too scared to stand up to the other girls. Bully's always pick on the weak

Agree and well said.However I suspect that Alicia could if she chose respond in kind.Katie is good at handing it out but less able to take it and there are several HM who could and prob will sort her.

There is a big difference between overt honesty and unnecessary sarcasm and rudeness when debating and eventually one of them will be pushed to far.

[Niamh.]

If she was that offended I wonder why she didn't bring it up at the time? :smug:

Of course she was offended at the time, who wouldn't be? I think the worst insult you could give a parent is to say they're a bad or even worse what Katie said, a cruel parent

[chuff me dizzy]

Of course she was offended at the time, who wouldn't be? I think the worst insult you could give a parent is to say they're a bad or even worse what Katie said, a cruel parent

Any "Mother" who makes a 3 yr old nag for 2 WEEKS for a piece of meat, is a cruel parent

[Niamh.]

Any "Mother" who makes a 3 yr old nag for 2 WEEKS for a piece of meat, is a cruel parent

Don't be ridiculous Chuff, she's giving her child a healthy diet. I'm sure lots of kids "nag" all the time for Pizza or chocolate etc etc

[Babayaro.]

A talent for insulting people :facepalm:

[chuff me dizzy]

Don't be ridiculous Chuff, she's giving her child a healthy diet. I'm sure lots of kids "nag" all the time for Pizza or chocolate etc etc

Meat is different .......and she obviously never gives it her ,or why would she make her wait for 2 weeks ?

[Kazanne]

Alicia isn't as helpless or as innocent as she appears. Her wide eyed look is down to surgery, not meekness. She slept with men and then sold the stories and that doesn't compute with the persona she is trying to project now.
She is garnering the sympathy vote, when in reality she has done bugger all in the house. Yesterday, when she and Katy had their talk, after Katy apologised, they agreed to park it, but she still wouldn't stop harping on.
I don't like anyone being bullied, but methinks Alicia is milking the situation for all it's worth.

Great post and spot on:clap1:

[Niamh.]

Meat is different .......and she obviously never gives it her ,or why would she make her wait for 2 weeks ?

Why is it different? If she has a balanced diet which btw is perfectly achievable for vegetarians if you're well educated in what foods you need to be eating to be getting all you need and tbf to Alicia she seems to be very well educated in that subject.

[DemolitionRed]

She is a village idiot, without a village, and needs to shut the **** up about her crazy life and how she is determined to pass on her body dysmorphia to her kid!

I hope Katie keeps ripping into her, she deserves it, stupid bitch!

You are clearly impressed by a bully. Says a lot about you!

[Mick]

I feel that when using a forum such as this and finding yourself in disagreement with another members comments its not what you say but how you say it which can cause an interesting debate to turn into a negative trade off.

This is how I perceive Katie who is an intelligent Woman well able to make her point without indulging in OTT sarcasm and rudeness. I think she was correct concerning Alicias actions RE her child and meat but Cruel was not a good choice of word.

[chuff me dizzy]

Why is it different? If she has a balanced diet which btw is perfectly achievable for vegetarians if you're well educated in what foods you need to be eating to be getting all you need and tbf to Alicia she seems to be very well educated in that subject.

She clearly not happy with it or she wouldn't nag for meat for 2 weeks

[DemolitionRed]

Any "Mother" who makes a 3 yr old nag for 2 WEEKS for a piece of meat, is a cruel parent

Do you think a mother who states to a nation that her 5 year old son is very probably gay is a good mother? Do you think a mother who tells a nation that her daughters missed out in the looks department is a considerate mum? Do you think broadcasting that you would put your children through a mincer if you thought you would benefit from it is shows those children you care about them? and do you think not allowing your children to play with other children because you don't like their names is okay?

[Niamh.]

She clearly not happy with it or she wouldn't nag for meat for 2 weeks

Kids nag for food all the time, when my own daughter was that age she would have ate chicken nuggetts and waffles every night of the week if I let her but I'm her mother and thats not healthy, she didn't enjoy me saying no to her or making her eat veg instead but I made her anyway, does that make me a cruel mother? :think:

[chuff me dizzy]

Do you think a mother who states to a nation that her 5 year old son is very probably gay is a good mother? Do you think a mother who tells a nation that her daughters missed out in the looks department is a considerate mum? Do you think broadcasting that you would put your children through a mincer if you thought you would benefit from it is shows those children you care about them? and do you think not allowing your children to play with other children because you don't like their names is okay?

This is about the nut job, please find a Katie thread to voice your anger

[Pincho Paxton]

Alicia isn't as helpless or as innocent as she appears. Her wide eyed look is down to surgery, not meekness. She slept with men and then sold the stories and that doesn't compute with the persona she is trying to project now.
She is garnering the sympathy vote, when in reality she has done bugger all in the house. Yesterday, when she and Katy had their talk, after Katy apologised, they agreed to park it, but she still wouldn't stop harping on.
I don't like anyone being bullied, but methinks Alicia is milking the situation for all it's worth.

I don't think that you need to be strong to sleep with men, and sell stories. She appears extremely timid, and a timid person can sleep with people, and sell stories.

[Kazanne]

We all know what Katie is like,even Alicia,surely she would be savvy enough to ignore or retort to what she thinks Katie said wrong,why just air it to people who really don't care.

[Niamh.]

We all know what Katie is like,even Alicia,surely she would be savvy enough to ignore or retort to what she thinks Katie said wrong,why just air it to people who really don't care.

She did say it to Katie though on last nights h/ls. She was probably a bit caught off guard during the actual conversation :shrug:

[Cherie]

We all know what Katie is like,even Alicia,surely she would be savvy enough to ignore or retort to what she thinks Katie said wrong,why just air it to people who really don't care.

In fairness Kazanne she did speak to Katie face to face I really like her.

[-Sue-]

The thing I wonder about Katie is 'Can she have her labotamy reversed?':joker:

[Tarryn]

Katie is going for who she thinks is the weakest in the pack.
She tried it with Patsy & has now moved onto Alicia.
She does not have the guts to go after a Cami or Michelle as they would rip her apart.
Katie is a coward. Nasty people usually are.
What business is it of hers how Alicia raises her children ?.

[-Sue-]

Katie is going for who she thinks is the weakest in the pack.
She tried it with Patsy & has now moved onto Alicia.
She does not have the guts to go after a Cami or Michelle as they would rip her apart.
Katie is a coward. Nasty people usually are.
What business is it of hers how Alicia raises her children ?.

Nice post :D

[thinkingoutloud]

Of course she was offended at the time, who wouldn't be? I think the worst insult you could give a parent is to say they're a bad or even worse what Katie said, a cruel parent
Well as I said, I can't begin to understand why she didn't bring it up there and then rather than leaving it at the time to just raise the issue again the following day, that doesn't make sense to me. It's almost like she was looking for a reason to get back at her after the banana incident and once again, make herself look like the victim and Katie look like the bad girl.

[chuff me dizzy]

Kids nag for food all the time, when my own daughter was that age she would have ate chicken nuggetts and waffles every night of the week if I let her but I'm her mother and thats not healthy, she didn't enjoy me saying no to her or making her eat veg instead but I made her anyway, does that make me a cruel mother? :think:

We are not talking chicken nuggets, we are talking organic chicken BIG difference

[Tarryn]

Well as I said, I can't begin to understand why she didn't bring it up there and then rather than leaving it at the time to just raise the issue again the following day, that doesn't make sense to me. It's almost like she was looking for a reason to get back at her after the banana incident and once again, make herself look like the victim and Katie look like the bad girl.

Katie IS the bad girl.
Alicia did nothing to deserve Katie laying into her.
Katie is slowly showing her true self.
She promised to say what she thought but instead up until now is the most fake HM in there.
She does not have the guts to be the horrible person she is when she is writing these things. Instead she is backing off as she is scared of going face to face with the stronger personalities in there.
Katie is gutless.

[Niamh.]

Well as I said, I can't begin to understand why she didn't bring it up there and then rather than leaving it at the time to just raise the issue again the following day, that doesn't make sense to me. It's almost like she was looking for a reason to get back at her after the banana incident and once again, make herself look like the victim and Katie look like the bad girl.

She didn't raise the issue again with her, it was the first time she'd raised it with her after Katie had made those comments. When Katie said that stuff to her, she then got up and left, to me, Alicia looked a bit gob smacked by what she'd just said, I don't think there's anything weird about that. I know if it were me and I was a bit too stunned to respond at the time, it would certainly be something I'd bring up again because it was just an awful thing to say. Some people need time to think about stuff properly before they say something to the person, it's not a bad thing I don't think infact having a bit of a think before she speaks might be something the ever so charming Katie might benefit from :laugh:

[arista]

Kaite is a disgrace. How can anyone want her to win.


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if Alicia
Cried again


Its good for her



Feel The Force

[Niamh.]

We are not talking chicken nuggets, we are talking organic chicken BIG difference

I was responding to your claim that because her child nagged, Alicia was cruel. All kids nag and ask for stuff :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

I was responding to your claim that because her child nagged, Alicia was cruel. All kids nag and ask for stuff :shrug:

She's not nagging for a tin of Quality Street, its only chicken ,Alicia will make this poor kid even more self hating of herself than she is, Alicias spent £1m, this poor kid needs to start saving up now for her bill

[-Sue-]

Well as I said, I can't begin to understand why she didn't bring it up there and then rather than leaving it at the time to just raise the issue again the following day, that doesn't make sense to me. It's almost like she was looking for a reason to get back at her after the banana incident and once again, make herself look like the victim and Katie look like the bad girl.

Not everyone feels the need to attack a situation like a pitbull some like to think about it and try and resolve when they are a bit calmer or simply she was upset after it was said (and quite rightly so) and wanted to sleep on it but as we know it 'played on her mind' so she had a 1 to 1 to say what she felt when time was ready at least Alicia had the balls to step up to the plate and say it directly to Katie

And for the record we already know Katie is the 'bad girl' after all she upset Alicia more than once with her 'you take the grenade I will take the pin' comments :shrug:

[Niamh.]

She's not nagging for a tin of Quality Street, its only chicken ,Alicia will make this poor kid even more self hating of herself than she is, Alicias spent £1m, this poor kid needs to start saving up now for her bill

That's a horrible thing to say. There are plenty of vegetarians out there who raise their kids the same way, are you really saying they're all bad parents?

[Lostie!]

Oh, she's just being honest. Or joking. Or putting on a "mean" act. Or some other excuse people pull out for Katie without any regard for consistency. Either way, YAAAAAAASS FLAWLESS QWEEEEEEN SLAYSSSSS!

But seriously, she's a seriously unlikeable person. I get that she was being insulting as part of the talent show, but she clearly targetted Alicia because she knew she'd hurt her.

As for the people questioning why Alicia didn't speak up at the time, it's clear as day that she's not confident with confrontation. Just another reason why Katie is proving herself to be an utter coward by making her the main focus of her vitriol.

[chuff me dizzy]

That's a horrible thing to say. There are plenty of vegetarians out there who raise their kids the same way, are you really saying they're all bad parents?

I don't know of any veggie who deprives their child of a everyday, healthy food as she does ,My sister in law is strict veggie, but still gives her daughters meat

[-Sue-]

I don't know of any veggie who deprives their child of a everyday, healthy food as she does ,My sister in law is strict veggie, but still gives her daughters meat

As does Alicia..:shrug:

[Niamh.]

I don't know of any veggie who deprives their child of a everyday, healthy food as she does ,My sister in law is strict veggie, but still gives her daughters meat

Plenty do and are well able to give their kids a balanced and healthy diet

[Tarryn]

I'm a vegetarian but don't have any kids......................should I be in this thread :shrug:

[-Sue-]

I'm a vegetarian but don't have any kids......................should I be in this thread :shrug:
:joker: LOL all are welcome :D

[chuff me dizzy]

Plenty do and are well able to give their kids a balanced and healthy diet

We will agree to disagree as we are going around in circles, you think its fine to deprive a child of a basic healthy food it wants to eat ,I certainly don't ,and I think she's giving this child serious body issues that will wreck her future life

[Niamh.]

I'm a vegetarian but don't have any kids......................should I be in this thread :shrug:

get out :fist:


just kidding lol but what do you think about it, being a vegetarian yourself?

[Niamh.]

We will agree to disagree as we are going around in circles, you think its fine to deprive a child of a basic healthy food it wants to eat ,I certainly don't ,and I think she's giving this child serious body issues that will wreck her future life

We can absolutely agree to disagree Chuff as long as you don't end it with "you think its fine to deprive a child of a basic healthy food" that's not a very nice thing to say about me now is it? ;)

[Pincho Paxton]

I think that Alicia has an OCD version of vegetarianism.

[Niamh.]

I think that Alicia has an OCD version of vegetarianism.

Why do you think that?

[Tarryn]

get out :fist:


just kidding lol but what do you think about it, being a vegetarian yourself?

I'm a healthy person. Meat is not a must-have in a diet. I think any person raising a child should make sure they are safe, happy & healthy.
You can do all three of these things without giving them meat in their meals.
Alicia DOES give her children meat but in moderation. What's wrong with this ?.
Let's face it, Katie probably detests EVERY HM in there but is choosing her targets at the moment.
Alicia comes across as a nice person. I thought she handled the situation well.
If Katie Hopkins is the Poster-Child for eating meat then I am thankful I am a vegetarian :cheer2:

[chuff me dizzy]

We can absolutely agree to disagree Chuff as long as you don't end it with "you think its fine to deprive a child of a basic healthy food" that's not a very nice thing to say about me now is it? ;)

You shouldn't piss me off :joker: No seriously, its that child basic rights to be fed properly not to suit her mother crazy whims

[Tarryn]

I think that Alicia has an OCD version of vegetarianism.

Do vegetarians offend you ?.
Go work in a slaughterhouse for the day & then tell me THAT does not offend you.

[chuff me dizzy]

I think that Alicia has an OCD version of vegetarianism.

:clap1: I dont know any veggie who's kids beg for meat and they are still refused it

[Niamh.]

I'm a healthy person. Meat is not a must-have in a diet. I think any person raising a child should make sure they are safe, happy & healthy.
You can do all three of these things without giving them meat in their meals.
Alicia DOES give her children meat but in moderation. What's wrong with this ?.
Let's face it, Katie probably detests EVERY HM in there but is choosing her targets at the moment.
Alicia comes across as a nice person. I thought she handled the situation well.
If Katie Hopkins is the Poster-Child for eating meat then I am thankful I am a vegetarian :cheer2:

Thanks, it's good to get an actual vegetarians perspective

You shouldn't piss me off :joker: No seriously, its that child basic rights to be fed properly not to suit her mother crazy whims

But she is feeding her properly Chuff :laugh: She's feeding her alot more healthily than alot of parents I would say who feed their kids too much sweets, fast food and processed food

[Kazanne]

I'm a vegetarian,but all my kids and hubby eat meat,I would never deprive them of it just because I don't eat it,they will make their own minds up when they are older.

[Tip]

I thought "deprivation" applies to something that is a necessity.

Meat is not a necessity as whole cultures live and thrive as vegetarians - therefore wouldn't apply?

I think more parents could be done for letting their children get obese, get diabetes and clogged arteries, which is all still possible with bad vegetarian diets but most vegetarians are actually very very well informed on nutrition in my experience, particularly as parents.

[Niamh.]

I'm a vegetarian,but all my kids and hubby eat meat,I would never deprive them of it just because I don't eat it,they will make their own minds up when they are older.

and that's your choice as a parent Kazanne, just like it's Alicias

[Niamh.]

I thought "deprivation" applies to something that is a necessity.

Meat is not a necessity as whole cultures live and thrive as vegetarians - therefore wouldn't apply?

I think more parents could be done for letting their children get obese, get diabetes and clogged arteries, which is all still possible with bad vegetarian diets but most vegetarians are actually very very well informed on nutrition in my experience, particularly as parents.

Exactly.

[Liam-]

As long as the child is healthy and happy, then i don't see the problem with the way she brings up her child :shrug:

[LukeB]

I like Alicia feel sorry for her but I love/hate Katie, We all know she says things that offends people, yet she was favourite on day 1 on here, If she was being nice people will say she is boring and fake and not the Katie Hopkins we see on this morning and that.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm a vegetarian,but all my kids and hubby eat meat,I would never deprive them of it just because I don't eat it,they will make their own minds up when they are older.

At last the voice of reason !!! :worship:

[Ammi]

..I personally would say that it was more 'deprivation' to not allow your child the experience of a wide variety of friends from different social backgrounds, just because you don't approve of them....and based on their names...the benefits of that sort of experience can't be 'substituted' but lack of meat in a diet can be...

[rionablue]

My opinion for what its worth is that everyone KNEW THAT Katie Hopkins would be a bitch and vile in the house. It took a few days for the bitchiness to properly manifest itself. Katie thinks she is RIGHT about everything and everyone else is WRONG. HOWEVER I think Alicia needs to stand up to her. She is not a fragile child that has no voice. Being tearful and weak is not going to CUT IT with Katie or most of the others. This is the strongest bunch of women ever in BB in my opinion and Alicia is very much the weakest link. She has to strengthen herself or she will be miserable for however long she has left. I DO think she shouldn't segregate her little girl from other kids OUTSIDE the home (at kids parties when she tells their mums that her little one isn't allowed this and that and at Halloween when all kids get treats) Her little girl will feel isolated the older she gets as the other kids can be cruel. She CAN control what her child eats in a home environment if she so wishes but she should never let the little girl have to beg for something that could be good for her (meat or chicken) Katie isn't going to change in that house but I hope for Alicia's sake SHE GETS some backbone and holds her ground

[Kazanne]

I like Alicia feel sorry for her but I love/hate Katie, We all know she says things that offends people, yet she was favourite on day 1 on here, If she was being nice people will say she is boring and fake and not the Katie Hopkins we see on this morning and that.

:clap1::clap1:

[Pincho Paxton]

Do vegetarians offend you ?.
Go work in a slaughterhouse for the day & then tell me THAT does not offend you.

I wasn't bought up as a hunter, so I have no connections in my brain to hunting. But we have a history of hunting, and eating meat. Now labs can grow meat, and soon no animals will have to die for us to eat meat. We are meat eaters, and we have evolved as meat eaters, and we have evolved with the intelligence to avoid killing animals to continue to be meat eaters.

[chuff me dizzy]

My opinion for what its worth is that everyone KNEW THAT Katie Hopkins would be a bitch and vile in the house. It took a few days for the bitchiness to properly manifest itself. Katie thinks she is RIGHT about everything and everyone else is WRONG. HOWEVER I think Alicia needs to stand up to her. She is not a fragile child that has no voice. Being tearful and weak is not going to CUT IT with Katie or most of the others. This is the strongest bunch of women ever in BB in my opinion and Alicia is very much the weakest link. She has to strengthen herself or she will be miserable for however long she has left. I DO think she shouldn't segregate her little girl from other kids OUTSIDE the home (at kids parties when she tells their mums that her little one isn't allowed this and that and at Halloween when all kids get treats) Her little girl will feel isolated the older she gets as the other kids can be cruel. She CAN control what her child eats in a home environment if she so wishes but she should never let the little girl have to beg for something that could be good for her (meat or chicken) Katie isn't going to change in that house but I hope for Alicia's sake SHE GETS some backbone and holds her ground

There wasn't only Katie disgusted in Barbi ,Patsy,and Nadia were too

[Ammi]

My opinion for what its worth is that everyone KNEW THAT Katie Hopkins would be a bitch and vile in the house. It took a few days for the bitchiness to properly manifest itself. Katie thinks she is RIGHT about everything and everyone else is WRONG. HOWEVER I think Alicia needs to stand up to her. She is not a fragile child that has no voice. Being tearful and weak is not going to CUT IT with Katie or most of the others. This is the strongest bunch of women ever in BB in my opinion and Alicia is very much the weakest link. She has to strengthen herself or she will be miserable for however long she has left. I DO think she shouldn't segregate her little girl from other kids OUTSIDE the home (at kids parties when she tells their mums that her little one isn't allowed this and that and at Halloween when all kids get treats) Her little girl will feel isolated the older she gets as the other kids can be cruel. She CAN control what her child eats in a home environment if she so wishes but she should never let the little girl have to beg for something that could be good for her (meat or chicken) Katie isn't going to change in that house but I hope for Alicia's sake SHE GETS some backbone and holds her ground

..I think Alicia did stand up to her though Riona..(I'm sure..) that when Katie called her a cruel parent, she was walking away from where they all were so maybe she didn't get the chance to say it straight away because I don't think that she's someone who wants a big 'drama' with an audience type thing...but when she had the opportunity and only Alex was there having his breakfast..(and looking a bit awkward..:laugh:..)..she did confront Katie...in fact she seemed to want to discuss her more but Katie more or less dismissed her...

[Pincho Paxton]

Why do you think that?

Alicia has OCD in her personality with the OCD face implants, and OCD vegetarianism. If you just strip her personality apart it is all OCD based.

[abhorson]

Just can't warm to a person that deliberately slept with famous footballers, actors, TV stars etc to then earn a living from it by kiss and tell stories. She was picked on a bit though.

[chuff me dizzy]

Just can't warm to a person that deliberately slept with famous footballers, actors, TV stars etc to then earn a living from it by kiss and tell stories. She was picked on a bit though.

I had never heard of her before last week, is she a bit of a slapper ?

[abhorson]

I had never heard of her before last week, is she a bit of a slapper ?

More than a bit.

[MTVN]

Alicia isn't as helpless or as innocent as she appears. Her wide eyed look is down to surgery, not meekness. She slept with men and then sold the stories and that doesn't compute with the persona she is trying to project now.
She is garnering the sympathy vote, when in reality she has done bugger all in the house. Yesterday, when she and Katy had their talk, after Katy apologised, they agreed to park it, but she still wouldn't stop harping on.
I don't like anyone being bullied, but methinks Alicia is milking the situation for all it's worth.

Agree with this, Katie was right to say when someone airs a grievance against someone and they apologise that should be the end of it, you don't continue to string it out and carry on making digs about it

[Lostie!]

Agree with this, Katie was right to say when someone airs a grievance against someone and they apologise that should be the end of it, you don't continue to string it out and carry on making digs about it

If someone has something to say, they have a right to say it without the other person jumping in and saying they should end it there because the've decided so.

Alicia had a right to get everyting she wanted to out, regardless of when Katie wished the discussion to end.

[Pincho Paxton]

If someone has something to say, they have a right to say it without the other person jumping in and saying they should end it there because the've decided so.

Alicia had a right to get everyting she wanted to out, regardless of when Katie wished the discussion to end.

Yeah Katie was using a shutdown tactic, but she also had a comeback that she was avoiding to use.

[Daniel.]

..I personally would say that it was more 'deprivation' to not allow your child the experience of a wide variety of friends from different social backgrounds, just because you don't approve of them....and based on their names...the benefits of that sort of experience can't be 'substituted' but lack of meat in a diet can be...

I worship you :love:

[chuff me dizzy]

More than a bit.

Selfish cow



Last year, Alicia revealed the extent of her depression after attempting to commit suicide, believing it would give her children - daughters Georgia and Papaya - a "better future".

[Ammi]

Agree with this, Katie was right to say when someone airs a grievance against someone and they apologise that should be the end of it, you don't continue to string it out and carry on making digs about it

..tbf though, it looked to me as though Katie shut her down when she was trying to explain how she felt ..I mean if you call someone a cruel parent, I think it would be very rude to just say sorry and walk away, without allowing that person their voice...

[chuff me dizzy]

Her poor kids, and some say she's a good mother ? her daughter is So body freaked out she wanted a boob job at 13 ,but Mummy Dearest told her she had to wait until she was 16 !!!!!


Douvall caused outrage and criticism after admitting that her then 13-year-old daughter had asked for a boob job for her birthday.

Speaking to Closer magazine at the time, Douvall revealed: "Georgia wrote a little birthday wish-list for her 13th birthday later this month and on it was Kate Moss perfume, an iPhone and a boob job.

"I was surprised because I didn't know she was worried about her flat chest. She's such a quiet girl, she doesn't say a lot."

She then admitted that she would allow her daughter to have the surgery, but not until she turns 16.


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[MTVN]

If someone has something to say, they have a right to say it without the other person jumping in and saying they should end it there because the've decided so.

Alicia had a right to get everyting she wanted to out, regardless of when Katie wished the discussion to end.

Katie had actually stood there and let her talk though, then she apologised once it seemed Alicia had finished. Alicia wasn't really adding anything new, just trying to string out more examples by which she could have a dig at Katie's parenting, "I could say" this and "I could say" that. Katie had got her point and apologised, alright it might not have been very genuine but that should have been an end to it, there's not much more that can be done about it and if you're not accepting the apology well then why did she bring it up in the first place. I think she was just enjoying giving Katie a dose of her own medicine too much which might be fine but she isn't as innocent as she portrays.

[DemolitionRed]

This is about the nut job, please find a Katie thread to voice your anger

Oh I'm not angry. I just wondered where your priorities were when you used the word "cruel parent".

[Lostie!]

This is about the nut job, please find a Katie thread to voice your anger

:conf:

This is a thread about both Katie and Alicia. The clue's in the title.

[Pink Pegasus]

I agree with Ammi that Alicia did eventually stand up for herself quite well against Katie. I think she got her point across very well in a very upfront and calm way.

I do get what people are saying too though that Alicia kept going on saying "I could say" after Katie had apologised and asked to park it, but to be honest I can see why she did that.

Alicia seemed a bit taken by surprise when Katie made her cruel comments and started calling her the weirdo mum. Probably a bit shocked and didn't know how to respond on the spot.

I think many people have found themself in a situation like that. You know where you get into some disagreement with a person, or even sometimes without any argument someone makes a rude or snide comment to you and it's only later you might be kicking yourself think, "Oh I wish I said this back!" or "I could or should have said this in reply to that!" or "why didn't I say this back?!"

I think once Alicia gathered her thoughts she had a list of things she should have said back in reply to Katie, and fair play to her she followed through with that and was determined that she WOULD say them!

So despite Katie giving her a fake apology and trying to shut down the conversation, I'm actually glad that Alicia continued and ended the conversation on her terms.

Katie looks down on Alicia like an idiot and dismisses everything Alicia says as having no importance because she sees her as so dumb, so I was glad that Alicia for once dismissed Katie's attempt of "parking it" and continued on with what she wanted to say.

I found it funny that Alicia decided when it was time to "park it" (not when Katie said so) and decided to end it by saying "I accept your apology" only when she decided she was ready to stop and not when she was told to. :spin:

[Ammi]

I agree with Ammi that Alicia did eventually stand up for herself quite well against Katie. I think she got her point across very well in a very upfront and calm way.

I do get what people are saying too though that Alicia kept going on saying "I could say" after Katie had apologised and asked to park it, but to be honest I can see why she did that.

Alicia seemed a bit taken by surprise when Katie made her cruel comments and started calling her the weirdo mum. Probably a bit shocked and didn't know how to respond on the spot.

I think many people have found themself in a situation like that. You know where you get into some disagreement with a person, or even sometimes without any argument someone makes a rude or snide comment to you and it's only later you might be kicking yourself think, "Oh I wish I said this back!" or "I could or should have said this in reply to that!" or "why didn't I say this back?!"

I think once Alicia gathered her thoughts she had a list of things she should have said back in reply to Katie, and fair play to her she followed through with that and was determined that she WOULD say them!

So despite Katie giving her a fake apology and trying to shut down the conversation, I'm actually glad that Alicia continued and ended the conversation on her terms.

Katie looks down on Alicia like an idiot and dismisses everything Alicia says as having no importance because she sees her as so dumb, so I was glad that Alicia for once dismissed Katie's attempt of "parking it" and continued on with what she wanted to say.

I found it funny that Alicia decided when it was time to "park it" (not when Katie said so) and decided to end it by saying "I accept your apology" only when she decided she was ready to stop and not when she was told to. :spin:

..great post Pinkpegasus and that's how I saw it as well..I think she handled it perfectly..at the time when Katie judged her as being a cruel mother, she said it as she was walking away and it would have really left Alicia just feeling shocked...I mean it's fine to say that she didn't agree with Alicia's life choices and those she had chosen for her child but that's not what she said at all, she made an accusation that she thought she was a cruel mother/not just a comment at all...so for Katie then to just say sorry and try to close down Alicia when she was entitled to her voice was just totally rude and ignorant imo...

[Blue Cadillac]

I feel concerned about what Alicia has done to her body in terms of plastic surgery, and her clear obsession with altering herself in this way. However, I am perturbed at the level of derogatory criticism she seems to be attracting on this forum in terms of her beliefs she upholds for a meat free diet.

I am a vegan, and have brought all my children up as vegans, one of whom is now a highly intelligent, strapping, burly adult, who has never had any health issues. The others are happy, healthy and strong, and do not 'miss out' on what other children have – they just have a tasty alternative that is markedly better for their health. I have always informed my children that once they reach an appropriate age, that they could choose for themselves whether or not they want to introduce meat etc to their diets. So far, my eldest has chosen not to, because he has educated himself to the health benefits, and also understands the cruelty involved in many farming practices, and the extra nasties often added to the final products.

Anybody who thinks that vegans live on lettuce and sticks of celery these days, needs to re-educate themselves with the progression of what dietary options are available. There are very tasty and wholesome alternatives to meat and dairy for just about everything nowadays, from nuggets to burgers to sausages to pizza to cheese.....the list is endless.

When I was growing up, my parents were avid meat eaters, and thus, brought me up on such a diet, with bread and dripping to boot. I was not asked my preference as a child, as to whether or not I chose to eat meat, and despite my gagging on meat at dinner time, I was not offered any other alternative. In fact, I'm sure my parents would have been horrified at the very thought! Therefore, at the tender age of 16, when I could do so, and when my parents allowed me to, I became vegetarian, with the progression very quickly to becoming vegan.

The point here is that as children, we generally do as our parents see fit, and are brought up to that effect. I was not given the option of being brought up as a vegetarian when I was a child, because I had to eat what my parents put before me. It wasn't my choice, but theirs. They felt it best that I ate meat, so I had no choice but to do so. The same applies the other way round, and it is therefore perfectly acceptable and appropriate for vegetarian or vegan parents to bring their children up as they see fit, according to their own lifestyle, beliefs, morals and ethics. The same would apply to religious parents who choose to bring their children up according to their beliefs. That alone does not make a parent weird, odd, cruel, nut job or otherwise. Just different to the 'accepted' norm. Perhaps it is ignorance about vegetarianism or veganism that affects the majority of people who seem to have clear issues with a parent who feels it beneficial to provide meat free diets for their children.

Whatever the case, it is not cruel to bring a child up on a completely meat or dairy free diet, and I take exception to those that insist otherwise. I would never dream of berating or inflicting my views on the parents I meet on a daily basis who are carnivores, and inform them that I think they're cruel or inhuman for delivering plates of meat to their offspring, despite what I might feel about it, and I would expect the same respect from them to me.

Katie was downright insensitive and vicious with her comments to Alicia regarding this issue, and I wonder whether this lies with her own insecurities regarding people of differing beliefs to herself.

[Jason.]

I really like Alicia. If Katie starts picking on her all the time, I will go off her.
Don't understand how she is favourite anyway. It's one thing to have controversial opinions, which is fine. But to keeps making digs at Alicia, for no reason other than to just be horrible. It is in my eyes considered bullying. This is coming from somebody who barely uses the word, as it does get thrown around, but that's not the case this time.

Alicia hasn't been nasty to anybody in that house, so it is totally uncalled for.
Gone off Cami as well. She keeps bringing up her appearance, who cares if her ass is fake. Get over it.
I hate to say the word, but jealousy springs to mind.
I hope Calum stays away from her, she's trash.

[MTVN]

I agree with Ammi that Alicia did eventually stand up for herself quite well against Katie. I think she got her point across very well in a very upfront and calm way.

I do get what people are saying too though that Alicia kept going on saying "I could say" after Katie had apologised and asked to park it, but to be honest I can see why she did that.

Alicia seemed a bit taken by surprise when Katie made her cruel comments and started calling her the weirdo mum. Probably a bit shocked and didn't know how to respond on the spot.

I think many people have found themself in a situation like that. You know where you get into some disagreement with a person, or even sometimes without any argument someone makes a rude or snide comment to you and it's only later you might be kicking yourself think, "Oh I wish I said this back!" or "I could or should have said this in reply to that!" or "why didn't I say this back?!"

I think once Alicia gathered her thoughts she had a list of things she should have said back in reply to Katie, and fair play to her she followed through with that and was determined that she WOULD say them!

So despite Katie giving her a fake apology and trying to shut down the conversation, I'm actually glad that Alicia continued and ended the conversation on her terms.

Katie looks down on Alicia like an idiot and dismisses everything Alicia says as having no importance because she sees her as so dumb, so I was glad that Alicia for once dismissed Katie's attempt of "parking it" and continued on with what she wanted to say.

I found it funny that Alicia decided when it was time to "park it" (not when Katie said so) and decided to end it by saying "I accept your apology" only when she decided she was ready to stop and not when she was told to. :spin:

Probably true although Alicia's comebacks weren't even that good really, "I could say you're cruel for letting your kid eat a ham sandwich when you don't know what's in it", ohhhh good one. Sort of comment which does also show that Alicia is far too obsessive about such things as well imo

[chuff me dizzy]

Probably true although Alicia's comebacks weren't even that good really, "I could say you're cruel for letting your kid eat a ham sandwich when you don't know what's in it", ohhhh good one. Sort of comment which does also show that Alicia is far too obsessive about such things as well imo

My 6 years old Grandaughter could have come back with better ,the tofus handled her brain