Is Alicia being bullied?

[Daniel.]

Do you think Cami and Katie are bullying Alicia?

I wouldn't say I'm sure it's bullying yet, but the way Cami and Katie pick on here isn't very nice, especially with Cami calling her a bitch as she walked through the door was similar to Helen, Katie's nasty remarks are always settled on her too.

Is she?

[chuff me dizzy]

Bullying my ass

[GiRTh]

Definitely yes.

[Stevep]

Not Cami, not yet anyway. Katie certainly is.

[Pincho Paxton]

Yes.

[LukeB]

Katie is being Katie :idc:

Katie has never been a nice person at all

[Jason.]

The definition of the word "bullying" is as followed,

Bullying: Using power or superiority to threaten, dominate, abuse or intimidate somebody considered weaker than ones self. Bullying behavior is often repeated and has the potential to be repeated over time.

Bullying involves action such as: making threats, spreading rumors, attacking someone physically or verbally, and excluding someone from a group on purpose.

Rationalizations for such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation, lineage, strength, size or ability.

Judging by the definition above, the BIB is what is similar to what is happening to Alicia.

Katie, and Cami. Both of which are powerful dominant characters.
Alicia, considered weakest of the pact.
It's been repeated with Katie calling Alicia "thick" on multiple occasions, which links to the BIB about ability. Cami calling Alicia a "bitch" more than once, repeated. Cami also bitching about Alicia's appearance. Again this links with the BIB, about appearance.
Both of the examples, I have given above, are what seems to be attacking somebody verbally. This is therefore, bullying behavior.

I think I've made my point.

Source: Own knowledge, bullying.org, Wikipedia.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it would be impossible to live and listen and look at her and not have a go

i mean ffs

[Lostie!]

Yes, I think so. She can't even walk past Cami in silence without her trying to make her feel uncomfortable, as we saw last night.

[Dollface]

No.

Katie tried to apologise to Alicia and Alicia wouldn't allow her to. And her pettiness showed last night when Cami nominated her and she ended up leaving the room because of Cami's "shrill voice" which is something Cami can't control.

[Braden]

Not bullied but picked on.

I know that's just a politer phrase of saying 'bully', but Alicia is capable of handling what the 'bullies' are saying. She isn't someone that lets others walk all over her so I think that will come in handy if the others go to far.

[aj2463]

Hard to say.. Cami Li is a jealous nasty piece of work

[GiRTh]

http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag50/Geoff_Taylor/Alicia-Douvall-3_zps31d841ca.jpg (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/Geoff_Taylor/media/Alicia-Douvall-3_zps31d841ca.jpg.html)

Alicia transformation over the years. I think she's very attractive in the first shot.

Anyone who would do this to themselves must have major issues. This is who Hopkins has decided to pick on. This is the person Hopkins thinks deserves the most criticism. This is Hopkins primary target.

Alicia is definitely being bullied IMO

[Daniel.]

Hopkins Flopkins

[erinp5]

Cami Li has a row with her tonight
http://static.tellymix.co.uk/ts/610/350/tellymix.co.uk/files/2015/01/CBB_Cami4-940x528.jpg

[-Sue-]

Yes she is if it was just the odd comment sure anyone can handle that but the banana incident and other snide comments chloe, cami, & katie seem to use any given opportunity to belittle torment whenever they can

[Stevep]

http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag50/Geoff_Taylor/Alicia-Douvall-3_zps31d841ca.jpg (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/Geoff_Taylor/media/Alicia-Douvall-3_zps31d841ca.jpg.html)

Alicia transformation over the years. I think she's very attractive in the first shot.

Anyone who would do this to themselves must have major issues. This is who Hopkins has decided to pick on. This is the person Hopkins thinks deserves the most criticism. This is Hopkins primary target.

Alicia is definitely being bullied IMO

Looks like Caprice in the the first pic. Could be wrong but she still looks as though she's had some work done in that photo also.

[GiRTh]

Cami Li has a row with her tonight
http://static.tellymix.co.uk/ts/610/350/tellymix.co.uk/files/2015/01/CBB_Cami4-940x528.jpgOh dear. I think it may end in tears.

[-Sue-]

Today's CBB Forecast: Mostly Grumpy with a 60% chance of Grouchy. High of Mean/Low of Nasty. A Temper Tantrum warning is in effect. Take immediate shelter! :joker:

[Stevep]

Oh dear. I think it may end in tears.

Nadia looks pretty shocked.

It's astonishing that many feel she is not being picked on.

[Vanessa]

yes, by the witches coven. :nono:

[GiRTh]

The definition of the word "bullying" is as followed,

Bullying: Using power or superiority to threaten, dominate, abuse or intimidate somebody considered weaker than ones self. Bullying behavior is often repeated and has the potential to be repeated over time.

Bullying involves action such as: making threats, spreading rumors, attacking someone physically or verbally, and excluding someone from a group on purpose.

Rationalizations for such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation, lineage, strength, size or ability.

Judging by the definition above, the BIB is what is similar to what is happening to Alicia.

Katie, and Cami. Both of which are powerful dominant characters.
Alicia, considered weakest of the pact.
It's been repeated with Katie calling Alicia "thick" on multiple occasions, which links to the BIB about ability. Cami calling Alicia a "bitch" more than once, repeated. Cami also bitching about Alicia's appearance. Again this links with the BIB, about appearance.
Both of the examples, I have given above, are what seems to be attacking somebody verbally. This is therefore, bullying behavior.

I think I've made my point.

Source: Own knowledge, bullying.org, Wikipedia.
:clap1:

[GiRTh]

Looks like Caprice in the the first pic. Could be wrong but she still looks as though she's had some work done in that photo also.I think she may have just started the process in pic1 but I agree her nose looks a bit perfect in the first pic.

[MTVN]

No she was bullying poor Cami last night

[jennyjuniper]

All is not as it seems when it comes to Alicia. Poor Keith has fallen for the' damsel in distress. persona. He said, to Kav I think, that Alicia was a single mum, struggling to get a business going in her garage.
In reality Alicia is living with a billionaire, who is financing her skin care range.
If you want a glimpse of an alternative Alicia watch 'Glamour Models, Mum & Me'. It's from about two years ago I think, but should be available on youtube.

[Mitchell]

I think it is definitely heading that way with the way Cami, Katie etc are treating her, as much as I like Katie, she's being very unfair to Alicia, she stole 2 bloody bananas, not commit murder.

[Vanessa]

I think it is definitely heading that way with the way Cami, Katie etc are treating her, as much as I like Katie, she's being very unfair to Alicia, she stole 2 bloody bananas, not commit murder.

I'm going off Katie and Cami. They're so nasty towards Alicia. :nono:

[MTVN]

Surely Katie is the only one who has actually been rude and abusive to her face, I don't particularly count bitching as bullying personally

It does sound like Cami is quite mean to her tonight mind

[Vanessa]

Surely Katie is the only one who has actually been rude and abusive to her face, I don't particularly count bitching as bullying personally

It does sound like Cami is quite mean to her tonight mind

Cami is just not a very nice person. Even Callum has started to notice.

[Pincho Paxton]

Cami is like the Evil Dead.

[MTVN]

Cami is just not a very nice person. Even Callum has started to notice.

Hmm I'm not so sure, though I will admit my perception is coloured somewhat by how much I fancy her

[Vanessa]

Hmm I'm not so sure, though I will admit my perception is coloured somewhat by how much I fancy her

:laugh:

[Pincho Paxton]

Hmm I'm not so sure, though I will admit my perception is coloured somewhat by how much I fancy her

Uyk! necrophiliac!

[Amy Jade]

No she's not and to be really honest I don't think all the people saying she is would say so if it wasn't Katie against Alicia.

I'll be gutted if this series has a mess like Alicia carried along to the final just because a few housemates have noticed how much of an idiot she is and pulled her up for being a thief.

[Stevep]

No she's not and to be really honest I don't think all the people saying she is would say so if it wasn't Katie against Alicia.

I'll be gutted if this series has a mess like Alicia carried along to the final just because a few housemates have noticed how much of an idiot she is and pulled her up for being a thief.

That's the point though, it is Katie, and we know what Katie is like.

[Amy Jade]

That's the point though, it is Katie, and we know what Katie is like.

Yes. Honest, opinionated and outspoken.

If she had jumped on Alicia then fine but she was nice until Alicia was caught stealing and started showing just how dumb she is.

[GiRTh]

No she's not and to be really honest I don't think all the people saying she is would say so if it wasn't Katie against Alicia.

I'll be gutted if this series has a mess like Alicia carried along to the final just because a few housemates have noticed how much of an idiot she is and pulled her up for being a thief.
It was quite predictable for Katie to have a problem for Alicia as she is the weakest but when Katie entered the house and failed to give any decent one liners about her HM's she made a comment along the lines that she was gonna crush Chloe. What happened with that did she find Chloe too strong to pick on?

You would only be making a good point if indeed it was not Katie picking on Alicia but it is and some of us saw it coming.

[MTVN]

Yes. Honest, opinionated and outspoken.

If she had jumped on Alicia then fine but she was nice until Alicia was caught stealing and started showing just how dumb she is.

True, it is a bit strange that Alicia has come out the victim of an episode where she was the one caught stealing. It was only when she realised that people had seen her that she owned up to it as well, and even then she tried to wriggle out of it and backtrack pretending she hadn't already eaten a banana from the new stash when she had just been doing so. She also claimed she didn't realise how few there were but she had gone into the store room and said "that's not enough bananas" before grabbing a couple to hide so she obviously knew there was limited supply.

For all the talk about Katie and the 'witches coven' no one seems too bothered that Alexander also went on about how thick she was. Every series people like to make out there's a bitchy female group latching on to targets to bully when it's not always the case

[Stevep]

Yes. Honest, opinionated and outspoken.

If she had jumped on Alicia then fine but she was nice until Alicia was caught stealing and started showing just how dumb she is.

Oh come on, seriously, do you really buy all that 'honest' rubbish? She's purposefully abusive, disrespectful and controversial to raise her public profile.

[GiRTh]

True, it is a bit strange that Alicia has come out the victim of an episode where she was the one caught stealing. It was only when she realised that people had seen her that she owned up to it as well, and even then she tried to wriggle out of it and backtrack pretending she hadn't already eaten a banana from the new stash when she had just been doing so. She also claimed she didn't realise how few there were but she had gone into the store room and said "that's not enough bananas" before grabbing a couple to hide so she obviously knew there was limited supply.

For all the talk about Katie and the 'witches coven' no one seems too bothered that Alexander also went on about how thick she was. Every series people like to make out there's a bitchy female group latching on to targets to bully when it's not always the caseAlexander made one comment that was aired with out us knowing the lead up to his outburst. He didnt claim he was gonna 'crush' certain HM's only to find there were easier targets in the house. Which is essentially what Katie has done.

[Amy Jade]

Alexander made one comment that was aired with out us knowing the lead up to his outburst. He didnt claim he was gonna 'crush' certain HM's only to find there were easier targets in the house. Which is essentially what Katie has done.

Michelle was only sat with Katie and Cami talking about Alicia and people said she had gone down in their estimation.

Since your not Katie that's just your view, my view is that Katie saw Alicia stealing and has found out Chloe is actually intelligent where Alicia is thick as **** - I wouldn't get along with a thieving idiot either.

[AnnieK]

The women are all acting like children IMO....I can get them being passed off over the bananas I guess but the whole song and dance was a bit juvenile. It always makes for uncomfortable viewing though when it's isolating one HM.

[Amy Jade]

True, it is a bit strange that Alicia has come out the victim of an episode where she was the one caught stealing. It was only when she realised that people had seen her that she owned up to it as well, and even then she tried to wriggle out of it and backtrack pretending she hadn't already eaten a banana from the new stash when she had just been doing so. She also claimed she didn't realise how few there were but she had gone into the store room and said "that's not enough bananas" before grabbing a couple to hide so she obviously knew there was limited supply.

For all the talk about Katie and the 'witches coven' no one seems too bothered that Alexander also went on about how thick she was. Every series people like to make out there's a bitchy female group latching on to targets to bully when it's not always the case
:clap1:

Alicia is a thief and a liar. Katie said it behind her back she's a bitch, Katie says it to her face she's a bitch. People are very fickle when they hate somebody and they can do no wrong.

Cami coming under fire is the same thing, she says the truth and because Alicia is quiet people act like it's bullying when Alicia is just as guilty - her reaction to being nommed and calling Cami names was pathetic.

[GiRTh]

Michelle was only sat with Katie and Cami talking about Alicia and people said she had gone down in their estimation.

Since your not Katie that's just your view, my view is that Katie saw Alicia stealing and has found out Chloe is actually intelligent where Alicia is thick as **** - I wouldn't get along with a thieving idiot either.I think you know Katie better than you think. The supposed lack of intelligence was enough for Katie to change her focus even though Chloe doesnt offer much more than Alicia..

[Daniel.]

lmao she's only outspoken when it comes to weak people

[GiRTh]

lmao she's only outspoken when it comes to weak peopleExactly :clap1:

[Amy Jade]

The women are all acting like children IMO....I can get them being passed off over the bananas I guess but the whole song and dance was a bit juvenile. It always makes for uncomfortable viewing though when it's isolating one HM.

They didn't isolate her though, she saw her steal and watched her lie about it and finally lost patience with her.

If Alicia hadn't lied and stole there would have been no issues.

[Amy Jade]

lmao she's only outspoken when it comes to weak people

Perez gives as good as he gets and she's confronted him twice.

Ken was an easy target and she never once said a bad work against him.

Nice try

[Lostie!]

Michelle was only sat with Katie and Cami talking about Alicia and people said she had gone down in their estimation.

Since your not Katie that's just your view, my view is that Katie saw Alicia stealing and has found out Chloe is actually intelligent where Alicia is thick as **** - I wouldn't get along with a thieving idiot either.

And what about Katie and Michelle "stealing" themselves?

[AnnieK]

Perez gives as good as he gets and she's confronted him twice.

Ken was an easy target and she never once said a bad work against him.

Nice try

I don't agree that ken was an easy target....ken was fully aware of himself and not afraid to say it back....

[Amy Jade]

I don't agree that ken was an easy target....ken was fully aware of himself and not afraid to say it back....

Alicia answers back too though? she called Cami shrill for nominating her and she had a go at Katie.

[GiRTh]

Perez gives as good as he gets and she's confronted him twice.

Ken was an easy target and she never once said a bad work against him.

Nice tryBut Ken is male and Men can do no wrong in Katies world. WHen have you ever seen KH criticise a man outside the house? All her spats are with other women Peaches Geldof, Katie Price, Kelly Osbourne to name just a few. Yet she came out in support for Ched Evans just Prior to going in and had the famous spat with Edwina Currie after the Andy Gray, Richard Keys sacking from Sky for obviously sexist comments, she supported them and claimed women want preferential treatment not equal treatment in the work Place. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but Katie hardly ever targets men its the skanky women who are to blame for everything in her world. She's a despicable person and I'm stunned anyone can like her.

[Angelika]

[Is she?]

Yes!

[Angelika]

Alicia answers back too though? she called Cami shrill for nominating her and she had a go at Katie.

Answering back doesn't mean Alicia isn't being bullied by Cami and Katie.

[qwerty42]

Hopkins is a ****. lol thinks shes smart yet resorts to penis jokes lol

[bigred685]

I'm finding the treatment of Alicia absolutely disgusting, the girls are 100 percent bullying her . She has shown herself to be very sweet and considerate of others . Big Brother needs to sort this situation out because watching this is not enjoyable . Calling someone thick repeatedly is unacceptable and is extremely hurtful to someone who most probably has self esteem issues to begin with . I can't believe how horrible some of these house mates are. I like Michelle in many ways but the way she has sided with Cami and Chloe has shocked me , because up until now I thought of her to be the winner. I hope Alicia wins now just to stick it to the horrible girls .

[BBfan46]

I'm really uncomfortable with how Alicia is being treated.

Cami-Li and Chloe are nasty, nasty girls. So is Katie Hopkins but she's much slier. Michelle is disappointing me too. She's not as fair and headstrong as she presents. She's terrified of Hopkins.

[Stevep]

I'm really uncomfortable with how Alicia is being treated.

Cami-Li and Chloe are nasty, nasty girls. So is Katie Hopkins but she's much slier. Michelle is disappointing me too. She's not as fair and headstrong as she presents. She's terrified of Hopkins.

I agree, i'm disappointed with Michelle that she hasn't spoken up. I'm pretty sure she knows it's wrong but seems unable to stand up to Katie. If she did she'd get a ton of fans. Cami and Chloe are just sheep, deffo the two most brain-dead housemates in there.

[ghoststories]

She's a 35-year-old woman with three children. She should stand up for herself.

[Stevep]

She's a 35-year-old woman with three children. She should stand up for herself.

Not sure where you are coming from. She's stood up for herself on every single occasions she's been insulted.

[Drew.]

She's a 35-year-old woman with three children. She should stand up for herself.

As soon as it got personal she did, but she shouldn't have to stand up for herself, she's done nothing to deserve the treatment shes getting

[mizzy25]

God no, not @ all, shes playing the part of the victim very well though

[Pincho Paxton]

100% bullying by Cami!

[lutrinae]

Michelle is a problem, too, she's just quiet. I felt sick when she was gossiping on the bed about how doctors "****ed up" Alicia's face and when she said "some people don't want to learn" at the counter with Katie and Cami the other day. Reminds me of Pauline, taking on the motherly role of the house but being just as childish.

As the psychologist on BOTS said the other day, loading the bullets but not firing the guns, or something like that.

[MrWong]

All is not as it seems when it comes to Alicia. Poor Keith has fallen for the' damsel in distress. persona. He said, to Kav I think, that Alicia was a single mum, struggling to get a business going in her garage.

In reality Alicia is living with a billionaire, who is financing her skin care range.
If you want a glimpse of an alternative Alicia watch 'Glamour Models, Mum & Me'. It's from about two years ago I think, but should be available on youtube.

She's full of **** and that's why Cami Li dislikes her.

Cami Li doesn't buy Alicia's 'over her addiction' horse****e or that she's had all her implants removed.

[minty3]

it might not be bully yet but its defiantly borderline

[Daniel.]

Perez gives as good as he gets and she's confronted him twice.

Ken was an easy target and she never once said a bad work against him.

Nice try

Perez runs off crying

Ken wasn't he was a vile man

She's a pussy

[rionablue]

Do you think Cami and Katie are bullying Alicia?

I wouldn't say I'm sure it's bullying yet, but the way Cami and Katie pick on here isn't very nice, especially with Cami calling her a bitch as she walked through the door was similar to Helen, Katie's nasty remarks are always settled on her too.

Is she?

ABSOLUTELY not being bullied in my opinion. If she choses not to stand up for herself well that's her choice. She hard heartedly tried tonight. She should either fight back or ignore them. She was extremely nasty to Cami in the bathroom when she said she couldn't be listening to her shrill voice so there are two sides to her and the one that is the meek little girl who cries in the dining room is the one that is gaining her popularity. If she wins it will be a travesty because for most of the first week she did NOTHING

[Pink Pegasus]

ABSOLUTELY not being bullied in my opinion. If she choses not to stand up for herself well that's her choice. She hard heartedly tried tonight. She should either fight back or ignore them. She was extremely nasty to Cami in the bathroom when she said she couldn't be listening to her shrill voice so there are two sides to her and the one that is the meek little girl who cries in the dining room is the one that is gaining her popularity. If she wins it will be a travesty because for most of the first week she did NOTHING

I think she does stand up for herself. :confused:

She tried the calm mature route when she said her points to Katie about how it was unfair of Katie to call her a cruel mother. She didn't stop either until she had said her points.

She has also a couple of times tried telling Katie that she is being unfair to judge her as thick when she's never taken the chance to get to know her.

The insults continued towards her even after this, so she has also begun to respond to them in a way that is more a level they may understand such as calling them "twats", calling Katie a "gob****e", calling Cami a "silly little girl" and worse in the argument we saw tonight.

It's not like she just sits there and says nothing. Just because she at first tried responding to them in a rational way and didn't retaliate guns blazing acting like a pitbull doesn't mean she wasn't standing up for herself.

I also don't think that saying somebody's voice is shrill is exceptionally nasty considering all the ****load of much worse crap Cami has said about her.

Cami didn't even know what the word meant anyways so doubt she was that offended...(who's the thick one again?)....

I don't think Alicia would allow herself to be bullied and I think she will continue to stand up for herself if needs be.

[ozzyshaggah]

my money says yes

[Semtex]

Alicia isn't being bullied, she's being picked up on stuff like this :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-4hyaRRT04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IcUaFrsR0M

[InOne]

It's a hard one to call. Because she'll stand up for herself then get shouted down by Cami. Then Katie will come along and finish her off by saying something brutal. Then she wanders away again licking her wounds. Is there any reason why they started on her in the first place or is it Hopkins being a bitch as usual?

[Ammi]

It's a hard one to call. Because she'll stand up for herself then get shouted down by Cami. Then Katie will come along and finish her off by saying something brutal. Then she wanders away again licking her wounds. Is there any reason why they started on her in the first place or is it Hopkins being a bitch as usual?


..for me with Katie, it's not even so much of how brutal she can be, it's more how condescending and patronising she is..and she keeps saying things like she can't believe that someone of Alicia's age can be so..this/that/whatever...and then Katie herself reacts to Perez' childish behaviour by acting like a child herself/following him around etc....the well known best reaction to childishness/become one yourself, yep...

[InOne]

..for me with Katie, it's not even so much of how brutal she can be, it's more how condescending and patronising she is..and she keeps saying things like she can't believe that someone of Alicia's age can be so..this/that/whatever...and then Katie herself reacts to Perez' childish behaviour by acting like a child herself/following him around etc....the well known best reaction to childishness/become one yourself, yep...

I think Katie is lapping up being in the popular crew as she probably expected to spat with all the model types. She looked ridiculous lounging there with Cami lying on her lap last night.

With Alicia she is short and sharp with her patronising comments which doesn't seem to leave much room for reply. I think Katie keeps trying to set her up for a stupid answer

[MTVN]

Alicia isn't being bullied, she's being picked up on stuff like this :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-4hyaRRT04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IcUaFrsR0M

Wow she's pretty awful in those

[Kazanne]

Do you think Cami and Katie are bullying Alicia?

I wouldn't say I'm sure it's bullying yet, but the way Cami and Katie pick on here isn't very nice, especially with Cami calling her a bitch as she walked through the door was similar to Helen, Katie's nasty remarks are always settled on her too.

Is she?

No,but that's what she wants you to think,clever girl !

[MrWong]

Alicia isn't being bullied, she's being picked up on stuff like this :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-4hyaRRT04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IcUaFrsR0M

If she's spouting that ****e in the house it's no wonder she's annoying people.