FOR THE LAST TIME....ALICIA is not being bullied

[elliebrew]

****ing twitter and FB in uproar that Alicia is being bullied???

Just because someone is louder than someone else doesn't mean the loud opinion isn't valid. We may be used to someone who shouts being obnoxious and wrong but on this occasion what Cami and and the others are saying to Perez is correct.

Perez is only using Alicia because he doesn't have anyone else.He was up Cami's arse when she was crowned queen.

He is renowned for using people to get where he wants.

Nadia is only siding with Perez because everyone else is friendly with Katie and she has gone in with agenda to bringing Katie down no matter what.

Alicia is only giving him the time of day because before he clamped his mouth to her tit she was fading into the background and not engaging with anyone else.

So as soon as Perez started making enemies he USED Alicias 'isolation' to get her on side.

She IS NOT BEING BULLIED.

The big Difference between bullying and whats happening here is that everyone is trying to warn Alicia (who is a bit slower and a bit more switched off) against Perez for her own good.

[ghoststories]

I don't think she's being bullied, either.

She doesn't get along with Katie and Cami. That's it. When Alicia called Cami "shrill" and said Katie was the thick one, does that mean Alicia was bullying Cami/Katie? NO!

Just because a few people don't get along, it doesn't automatically make one of them a victim.

[Lostie!]

Cami's point about Perez and Alicia had nothing to do with "her own good". She couldn't care less about Alicia, it was just another stick to beat her with.

[Amy Jade]

I agree 100%

The bullying card is used far too often over BB the last few years.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

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[elliebrew]

Cami's point about Perez and Alicia had nothing to do with "her own good". She couldn't care less about Alicia, it was just another stick to beat her with.

She's not beating her with any stick. Came has NO REASON to hate on Alicia. Stop looking for a ****ing victim all the time. There isn't one here

[Lostie!]

She's not beating her with any stick. Came has NO REASON to hate on Alicia. Stop looking for a ****ing victim all the time. There isn't one here

Correct, she has no reason to hate on her ... yet she still does.

And stop being so aggressive. Can people not discuss differing opinions on here without being hostile? :shrug:

[sassysocks]

I don't think she's being bullied, either.

She doesn't get along with Katie and Cami. That's it. When Alicia called Cami "shrill" and said Katie was the thick one, does that mean Alicia was bullying Cami/Katie? NO!

Just because a few people don't get along, it doesn't automatically make one of them a victim.

The two tarts were ganging up on Alicia with their snide and nasty comments making her feel very uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with one being louder than the other, just about two bitches trying to make an outcast of her. You seem to have no idea what bullying is.

[elliebrew]

Correct, she has no reason to hate on her ... yet she still does.

And stop being so aggressive. Can people not discuss differing opinions on here without being hostile? :shrug:

What has Cami said thats so bad? enlighten me?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

What has Cami said thats so bad? enlighten me?

Telling her she was dumb and telling her "I have a loving family to go home to...UNLIKE YOU!".

Are you really sticking up for this bitch?

[Josy]

Yes she is and it doesn't matter how many capital letters you use in your title.

[sassysocks]

She's not beating her with any stick. Came has NO REASON to hate on Alicia. Stop looking for a ****ing victim all the time. There isn't one here

We all know what we saw, don't need someone trying to convince us otherwise thanks. Cami is just a vicious bitch. Thankfully she will be gone soon.

[MrWong]

I don't think she's being bullied, either.

She doesn't get along with Katie and Cami. That's it. When Alicia called Cami "shrill" and said Katie was the thick one, does that mean Alicia was bullying Cami/Katie? NO!

Just because a few people don't get along, it doesn't automatically make one of them a victim.

:clap1:

[Lostie!]

What has Cami said thats so bad? enlighten me?

I'm not sure why you need someone to "enlighten" you when you've presumably seen the same as I have, so I guess you don't have an issue with what you've seen, rendering me bringing it up pointless as you'll just make some excuse up for it. Probably with a bunch of ******* in the mix.

But, since you asked. Some examples:

She brought up the banana situation after it had ended when it was clear Alicia didn't want to keep going over it.
She made crude, mean-spirited suggestions about when Alicia had her first child.
She gossiped, rather nastily, about Alicia's appearance two days in a row.
She suggested that Alicia's family doesn't love her.
She didn't even let Alicia walk past in silence last night without trying to start an issue and then branded her a "bitch" again because Alicia, understandably, didn't want to talk to her.

[elliebrew]

Yes she is and it doesn't matter how many capital letters you use in your title.

She really really isn't. That word has become so watered down here its flavourless now.

Alicia is less switched on than the others.

Thats not being nasty thats being honest.

Less switched on people are prone to being easily manipulated and thats the crux of the entire argument.

[Josy]

She really really isn't. That word has become so watered down here its flavourless now.

Alicia is less switched on than the others.

Thats not being nasty thats being honest.

Less switched on people are prone to being easily manipulated and thats the crux of the entire argument.

Belittled about her parenting choices
Told to her face she's thick
Told to her face she's slow
Told her family hates her

Slaughtered about her looks behind her back by a group of mean girls

Yep she's being bullied

[sassysocks]

I agree 100%

The bullying card is used far too often over BB the last few years.

Because the show attracts bullies desperate for attention.

[rionablue]

I don't think she is being bullied either. I think she is well able to stand up for herself but is playing the victim game then she walked out on Cami and said she couldn't be listening to her SHRILL voice. She is well able to give as much as she gets but she knows people will feel sorry for her if she plays the upset little girl. I don't buy it. Cami is a bitch of the highest order but she said she was in her VT and at LEAST she is not pretending to be something she isn't. Alicia needs to either fight her corner or just ignore them by saying ;whatever whatever.

[Dollface]

Belittled about her parenting choices


She could've kept her parenting choices to herself. It's obvious that not a lot of people are going to agree with her OTT ways of parenting so if she didn't want to be "belittled" she could have chose not to share that information with the group.
IMO Alicia wants to be picked on.

[Marsh.]

She could've kept her parenting choices to herself. It's obvious that not a lot of people are going to agree with her OTT ways of parenting so if she didn't want to be "belittled" she couldn't chose not to share that information with the group.

People are perfectly allowed to disagree. Calling her a bad/cruel parent crosses the line.

[Jose Mourinho]

Alicia was magic tonight.. Loved how titled Cami "Little girl" in her face.Alicia is the strong one. I hope Katie Price sides with the strong ones and then tears up the rest.

[Jose Mourinho]

People are perfectly allowed to disagree. Calling her a bad/cruel parent crosses the line.I think Katie Hopkins blew that all out of proportion.And suckers will follow Hopkin's beliefs like a herd of dumb, brainless Wilderbeest following each other across the Serengeti.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

She could've kept her parenting choices to herself. It's obvious that not a lot of people are going to agree with her OTT ways of parenting so if she didn't want to be "belittled" she couldn't chose not to share that information with the group.
IMO Alicia wants to be picked on.

You think Alicia wants to be picked on? So whats the bullys response to that?

Its not my fault, she asked for it sharing her parenting skills and she wanted to be picked on so its not my fault.

YAWN!

[Jose Mourinho]

She could've kept her parenting choices to herself. It's obvious that not a lot of people are going to agree with her OTT ways of parenting so if she didn't want to be "belittled" she could have chose not to share that information with the group.
IMO Alicia wants to be picked on.Who exactly is Hopkins to tell anyone how to raise their kids? Really now. Think about it.. What makes Hopkins anywhere near qualified? Nothing maybe?

[Dollface]

People are perfectly allowed to disagree. Calling her a bad/cruel parent crosses the line.

My childhood bestfriend had a mum somewhat like Alicia, and she used to beg to come over to my house all the time because she knew my mum would let her have ice-cream. I'd also take 2 chocolate bars to school instead of 1 because i knew she'd ask for one.
So imo Alicia's way of parenting is cruel.

[Jose Mourinho]

My childhood bestfriend had a mum somewhat like Alicia, and she used to beg to come over to my house all the time because she knew my mum would let her have ice-cream. I'd also take 2 chocolate bars to school instead of 1 because i knew she'd ask for one.
So imo Alicia's way of parenting is cruel.Alicia's daughter looks healthy. You trying to say Alicia is starving her daughter? LMAO wake up man.

[Marsh.]

My childhood bestfriend had a mum somewhat like Alicia, and she used to beg to come over to my house all the time because she knew my mum would let her have ice-cream. I'd also take 2 chocolate bars to school instead of 1 because i knew she'd ask for one.
So imo Alicia's way of parenting is cruel.

:unsure: Because your childhood best friend is entirely relevant.

[Jose Mourinho]

:unsure: Because your childhood best friend is entirely relevant.THIS

[wendywillow]

I think Alicia can give as good as she gets, her and cami were going toe to toe, I like her but shes a little spacey and theres nothing else to do in there so ofcourse the girls are going to talk about her, try to nick the bananas didn't help her cause
edit:
cami's family comment was below the belt tho.

[Gstar]

Yes she is and it doesn't matter how many capital letters you use in your title.

lol irl

[Dollface]

:unsure: Because your childhood best friend is entirely relevant.

She is actually because like i stated in my post "she had a mum somewhat like Alicia"

and no, if i was trying to say Alicia was starving her daughter, i would've said just that... idiot. @Jose

[Dollface]

Who exactly is Hopkins to tell anyone how to raise their kids? Really now. Think about it.. What makes Hopkins anywhere near qualified? Nothing maybe?

You have to be qualified to have an opinion on whether or not it's good parenting to stop your children from eating sweets and meat?..

[downthechippie]

cloe and cami li definately are bullies. And they have definitely bullied Alicia.

What cami li said about Alicia's family not loving her was just soooo nasty and designed to hurt Alicia deeply - and when people on this forum make excuses for that and say it isn't bullying.... well it shows me that they must be bullies themselves.

Especially when they SHOUT that this behaviour is not bullying. Guilty consciences?

[Jose Mourinho]

She is actually because like i stated in my post "she had a mum somewhat like Alicia"

and no, if i was trying to say Alicia was starving her daughter, i would've said just that... idiot.So what is your problem? Alicia has raised her daughter well as we can visually see... So your problem is?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

My childhood bestfriend had a mum somewhat like Alicia, and she used to beg to come over to my house all the time because she knew my mum would let her have ice-cream. I'd also take 2 chocolate bars to school instead of 1 because i knew she'd ask for one.
So imo Alicia's way of parenting is cruel.

Well chocolate bars and ice cream aren't really a healthy diet for the child so infact your mother was the one in the wrong.

As adults we try to eat healthy (well I do anyway) so why not look after your child the way you would look after your own body.

Alicia is doing nothing wrong her intentions are good.

[Jose Mourinho]

You have to be qualified to have an opinion on whether or not it's good parenting to stop your children from eating sweets and meat?..When I say qualified I thought you would know how I meant it..I did not mean it in the degree/ diploma sense.. But if that was how you thought I meant it plz stop this exchange now.

[Marsh.]

She is actually because like i stated in my post "she had a mum somewhat like Alicia"

We can't make any deductions to determine exactly how she is as a parent. Such silly statements.

[Dollface]

So what is your problem? Alicia has raised her daughter well as we can visually see... So your problem is?

My problem with what?

I don't give a crap how Alicia raises her children, if she's happy and her children are happy then it's all good.
But do i agree with her parenting ways? No, because i feel that children should be allowed to make their choices when it comes to things like vegetarianism. So i don't blame Katie for calling her cruel or whatever she said. That's all.

[Marsh.]

Her daughter's not a vegetarian. She eats chicken.

[Dollface]

When I say qualified I thought you would know how I meant it..I did not mean it in the degree/ diploma sense.. But if that was how you thought I meant it plz stop this exchange now.

Yes, please! Let's stop yes. :)

or should i say "plz"

[Jose Mourinho]

My problem with what?

I don't give a crap how Alicia raises her children, if she's happy and her children are happy then it's all good.
But do i agree with her parenting ways? No, because i feel that children should be allowed to make their choices when it comes to things like vegetarianism. So i don't blame Katie for calling her cruel or whatever she said. That's all.

You don't give a crap about how Alicia raises her children but you don't agree with her parenting ways? LOL ok bye.


Seriously wtf lol

[Dollface]

Her daughter's not a vegetarian. She eats chicken.

This made me giggle, thanks.

Didn't she say that her children have to ask for it for 2 weeks, and then if they still want it after 2 weeks she gives them a bit of chicken?
You really think that's fair? That a child has to wait 2 weeks to eat a piece of meat?

Can't actually believe how ridiculous some people are.

[Dollface]

You don't give a crap about how Alicia raises her children but you don't agree with her parenting ways? LOL ok bye.


Seriously wtf lol

Yes what can't you understand?!

[Marsh.]

This made me giggle, thanks.

Didn't she say that her children have to ask for it for 2 weeks, and then if they still want it after 2 weeks she gives them a bit of chicken?
You really think that's fair? That a child has to wait 2 weeks to eat a piece of meat?

Can't actually believe how ridiculous some people are.

No. You see I'm not making snap judgements about things I don't know about based on a couple of soundbites.

As I said, we have no idea what kind of parent she actually is.

[Jose Mourinho]

Yes what can't you understand?!Obviously everything cya!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

My problem with what?

I don't give a crap how Alicia raises her children, if she's happy and her children are happy then it's all good.
But do i agree with her parenting ways? No, because i feel that children should be allowed to make their choices when it comes to things like vegetarianism. So i don't blame Katie for calling her cruel or whatever she said. That's all.

You just contradicted yourself babes.

You obviously do care and have a very abrupt opinion on how she raises her children.

[Jose Mourinho]

You just contradicted yourself babes.

You obviously do care and have a very abrupt opinion on how she raises her children.That is true. TBH.

[Jose Mourinho]

Katie Hopkins victim number 209289829089023

[Jose Mourinho]

Like Alicia today.. when she told cami shes the one being played by Hopkins. Oh so true.

[Dollface]

No. You see I'm not making snap judgements about things I don't know about based on a couple of soundbites.

As I said, we have no idea what kind of parent she actually is.

Everyone makes snap judgements, anyone who says they don't judge other people are quite frankly bull****ting.

I'm not saying she's a terrible parent, so i don't really know why you and Jose are getting all upset about it lol. I'm just saying that i don't agree with her parenting ways and i think parents that go around on Halloween giving neighbours appropriate snacks for their kids are in the minority, so if poor ol' Alicia doesn't want people judging her, she should keep it to herself.

[Dollface]

You just contradicted yourself babes.

You obviously do care and have a very abrupt opinion on how she raises her children.

See i can't see how the two tie together. I don't have to care on a personal level how she raises her children to have an opinion on her parental ways?!

[Jose Mourinho]

See i can't see how the two tie together. I don't have to care on a personal level how she raises her children to have an opinion on her parental ways?!U a Hopkins fan?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

See i can't see how the two tie together. I don't have to care on a personal level how she raises her children to have an opinion on her parental ways?!

Its to late for this.

Goodnight x

[Jose Mourinho]

See i can't see how the two tie together. I don't have to care on a personal level how she raises her children to have an opinion on her parental ways?!TBH when u reply with that much passion, you do care. One way or another and noone is saying you are caring but you care for whatever reason.

[Dollface]

U a Hopkins fan?

There is nothing more embarassing than someone who says "bye" to a conversation more than once and then continues the convosations... you just can't keep away can you ;)

But no i'm neutral, i don't like nor dislike Katie.

[Jose Mourinho]

There is nothing more embarassing than someone who says "bye" to a conversation more than once and then continues the convosations... you just can't keep away can you ;)

But no i'm neutral, i don't like nor dislike Katie.I should be embarrased? On an online forum.. LOL ..

[Jose Mourinho]

What have i done. I am so embarrased now.

[Udanax]

We luv u Jose < 3 don't be embarrassed

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

:joker:

[Jose Mourinho]

We luv u Jose < 3 don't be embarrassedLOVE U too xx i should stop this convo i dont knw why i even bother lol i have a heatseeker attached to my forhead that tracks things i disgaree with idk lol

[Jose Mourinho]

but i know im not always right lol

[Dollface]

I should be embarrased? On an online forum.. LOL ..

Well i do, but that's just me

[thom_bombadil]

- Alicia can raise her own child however she wants to, so long as she feels she's raising the child well.
- Alicia, like any other person in the world, is entitled to air how she rears her child to whomever she feels.
- Alicia should NOT be made to feel cornered or like a bad mother because of this.
- The two girls, particularly Cami, who verbally attacked her for no reason, are a pair of sl*gs who have altered their faces and bodies specifically in a way to make themselves more appealing to men, and so should think twice before commenting on anyone elses lifestyle choices. Alicia has admittedly learned her lesson on surgery.
- Attacking someone for no reason, whether you're 'just being honest' or not, is bullying. No two ways about it. If you disagree with that, then you are no better than that evil, relentless, insensitive, inconsiderate witch, Katie Hopkins.

[arista]

Yes she is and it doesn't matter how many capital letters you use in your title.


But its her fault



Its good to Cry

[Mystic Mock]

I try not to use the “bully card” all the time on the show because everybody has people that they don't like and have confrontations with them.

However I do feel that Alicia and Perez have tried to be nice to a lot of these Housemates, they've tried to enjoy themselves, yet they get nothing but abuse for it by the Witches, can they both be annoying? Yes especially Perez, but I do not feel that they deserve the abuse that they've been given in the house, especially for Perez having a laugh out in the Garden was the most out of order The Witches have been so far to a Team Fun member.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean, Perez has been entirely artificial and unfunny and tries to dominate all the attention and make everything about himself, so as far as I'm concerned him getting eviscerated daily by everyone else is the only thing he has going for him.

[Mystic Mock]

Shouldn't Perez be getting attacked when there's an actual reason to do it though Macie? I know you don't like him but would you stop him actually having fun in the house and get so pissed off about his stunt with the Mirror?

[Macie Lightfoot]

You call it fun and having a laugh, I call it desperately seeking attention and continuing to be annoying. Tomato, tomato. These women were looking for a reason to bite each other's heads off and yell and air all of their grievances out and just used Perez dancing in the garden as the platform for it. The argument wasn't even so much about Perez as it was about all the issues the girls have each other.

[Jose Mourinho]

She really really isn't. That word has become so watered down here its flavourless now.

Alicia is less switched on than the others.

Thats not being nasty thats being honest.

Less switched on people are prone to being easily manipulated and thats the crux of the entire argument.Being "honest" does not make you exempt from being nasty.

[Mystic Mock]

You call it fun and having a laugh, I call it desperately seeking attention and continuing to be annoying. Tomato, tomato. These women were looking for a reason to bite each other's heads off and yell and air all of their grievances out and just used Perez dancing in the garden as the platform for it. The argument wasn't even so much about Perez as it was about all the issues the girls have each other.

They did appear to be going self righteous about what Perez was doing though, and why care if his attention seeking? If they didn't react to it they would actually make him have less entertainment value therefore less of a talking therefore the production would be more willing to lose him, but if they keep reacting over silly things like on the most recent highlight show they will give him sympathy, especially when they're using him to then poke fun at Alicia.

[Mystic Mock]

Being "honest" does not make you exempt from being nasty.

And Perez might be manipulating Alicia, he seems to be clued on when it comes to the game, but are people on here honestly trying to tell me that Katie, Michelle, Chloe, and Cami was not trying to manipulate Alicia and Nadia onto their side? It's not all black and white here just because Perez has a dick does not make him automatically The Evil One.

[Jose Mourinho]

You call it fun and having a laugh, I call it desperately seeking attention and continuing to be annoying. Tomato, tomato. These women were looking for a reason to bite each other's heads off and yell and air all of their grievances out and just used Perez dancing in the garden as the platform for it. The argument wasn't even so much about Perez as it was about all the issues the girls have each other.Perez only does what he does cos he knows it's a tv show and that he is on TV he is probably bored and has openly said he is trying to be as entertaining as he can even, hilariously commentating to us, the public before coughing at night to cause mayhem, all in the name of fun I think.

[Jose Mourinho]

And Perez might be manipulating Alicia, he seems to be clued on when it comes to the game, but are people on here honestly trying to tell me that Katie, Michelle, Chloe, and Cami was not trying to manipulate Alicia and Nadia onto their side? It's not all black and white here just because Perez has a dick does not make him automatically The Evil One.I love Perez

[Ammi]

..I actually agree with the OP, I don't think that Alicia is being bullied as such, I think that the other females are being very mean and bitchy to her because she isn't bitchy like them/doesn't want to be part of them and doesn't have a lot in common with them so she's also going to be a target for their bitchiness but I don't think that it's bullying...tbh I think that Katie chastising Keith for giving Perez time and attention or saying...ughhhh, now the others are talking to him or whatever she said could much more be perceived as bullying because she's trying to completely isolate him and influence others into doing the same...

[Jose Mourinho]

And Perez might be manipulating Alicia, he seems to be clued on when it comes to the game, but are people on here honestly trying to tell me that Katie, Michelle, Chloe, and Cami was not trying to manipulate Alicia and Nadia onto their side? It's not all black and white here just because Perez has a dick does not make him automatically The Evil One.

..I actually agree with the OP, I don't think that Alicia is being bullied as such, I think that the other females are being very mean and bitchy to her because she isn't bitchy like them/doesn't want to be part of them and doesn't have a lot in common with them so she's also going to be a target for their bitchiness but I don't think that it's bullying...tbh I think that Katie chastising Keith for giving Perez time and attention or saying...ughhhh, now the others are talking to him or whatever she said could much more be perceived as bullying because she's trying to completely isolate him and influence others into doing the same...Ammi...

[Macie Lightfoot]

They did appear to be going self righteous about what Perez was doing though, and why care if his attention seeking? If they didn't react to it they would actually make him have less entertainment value therefore less of a talking therefore the production would be more willing to lose him, but if they keep reacting over silly things like on the most recent highlight show they will give him sympathy, especially when they're using him to then poke fun at Alicia.

I mean, it was pretty clear from the start that this series will include a bunch of twists to benefit Katie Hopkins and Perez (and now Katie Price.) I don't think that an argument that was about Perez only at face value will increase or decrease the chances of production wanting him around because those chances are already high to begin with.

[Jose Mourinho]

I mean, it was pretty clear from the start that this series will include a bunch of twists to benefit Katie Hopkins and Perez (and now Katie Price.) I don't think that an argument that was about Perez only at face value will increase or decrease the chances of production wanting him around because those chances are already high to begin with.Macie..,

[Ammi]

Ammi...

..Jose..:laugh:..

[Jose Mourinho]

I mean, it was pretty clear from the start that this series will include a bunch of twists to benefit Katie Hopkins and Perez (and now Katie Price.) I don't think that an argument that was about Perez only at face value will increase or decrease the chances of production wanting him around because those chances are already high to begin with.

..Jose..:laugh:..lol

[Macie Lightfoot]

Jose are you here to delicately whisper sweet nothings into my ear?

[Mystic Mock]

..I actually agree with the OP, I don't think that Alicia is being bullied as such, I think that the other females are being very mean and bitchy to her because she isn't bitchy like them/doesn't want to be part of them and doesn't have a lot in common with them so she's also going to be a target for their bitchiness but I don't think that it's bullying...tbh I think that Katie chastising Keith for giving Perez time and attention or saying...ughhhh, now the others are talking to him or whatever she said could much more be perceived as bullying because she's trying to completely isolate him and influence others into doing the same...

Don't forget Chloe in the Diary Room declaring how she was going to bully Perez on national TV, yet because she's pretty and a female she's liked more than Perez and Nadia on here who have not said anything like that.

[Jose Mourinho]

Jose are you here to delicately whisper sweet nothings into my ear?Macie...

[Mystic Mock]

Jacie....

[Macie Lightfoot]

Don't forget Chloe in the Diary Room declaring how she was going to bully Perez on national TV, yet because she's pretty and a female she's liked more than Perez and Nadia on here who have not said anything like that.

lmfao there are plenty of reasons to like people more than Perez (and Nadia, I suppose, but she doesn't get me worked up like she does to other forum members) let's not get it twisted.

[Jose Mourinho]

Jacie....Mocki...

[Jose Mourinho]

I miss the fun! STay strong GUIZ Jose head hit pillow!

[Mystic Mock]

lmfao there are plenty of reasons to like people more than Perez (and Nadia, I suppose, but she doesn't get me worked up like she does to other forum members) let's not get it twisted.

If Perez was female and attractive he would have a fanbase on here, I'm not saying the biggest, but it would be more than 5% or around that area anyway.

Some Forum Members on here only like female contestants on Reality TV Shows, it's really annoying because how can you have a proper discussion with some of these people if they're just gonna pick based off gender mainly? It's just as bad as liking someone just because you fancy them, or they're from the same place as you.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Perez still has a fanbase despite being male though :shrug: I don't doubt that some people would receive him better if he were female, but ultimately he's given people a **** ton of ammunition for people to dislike him, especially when you don't just consider actions in the house but outside of the house as well.

[Ammi]

Don't forget Chloe in the Diary Room declaring how she was going to bully Perez on national TV, yet because she's pretty and a female she's liked more than Perez and Nadia on here who have not said anything like that.

..also I think that Perez, because he's so loud/irritating etc is not perceived so much as a victim and because he's OTT and dramatic, when he's upset/crying etc, it's not taken so seriously...but I think that Katie wanting others not to talk to him/entertain him is the closest to bullying in the house...also the irony of her saying that it shouldn't be up to the housemates/collectively to decide when a housemate is ejected..(like with Ken..)...and then saying that they all wanted Perez walking up the stairs and out of the door...

[Mystic Mock]

Perez still has a fanbase despite being male though :shrug: I don't doubt that some people would receive him better if he were female, but ultimately he's given people a **** ton of ammunition for people to dislike him, especially when you don't just consider actions in the house but outside of the house as well.

It probably adds up to about 5% supporting him as their favourite, and about 2% of the Forum actually liking him in other positions.

Michelle however has been popular for what exactly? Being a nosey, boring, miserable bore, now if she was male with those characteristics and made the comments that she made tonight on top of those awful traits that I've listed above she would not be liked because if I remember correctly a lot of these people that like Michelle didn't like LukeA who shared some of those same stuff above as her, only he could actually be funny and chilled out on occasion.

[cfromhx02]

NO OFFENCE MEANT TO THE OP

Amusing that the title of the threat shouted it at us in Capital Letters.

Of course it is bullying,Katie and Cami have been repeating the same insults to her for days now.

It's obvious that they are targetting her as they've seen her as different from them and constant repetitive targetting of someone which obviously is going to hurt her

is bullying.

The definition of bullying has been explained before and Katie and Cami's behaviour has fitted every rule going about bullying

so no matter how anyone pretends it's not happening it is still official bullying.

[InOne]

The tactics Katie, Cami and Chloe used were definitely bullying. Even using a bit of good cop bad cop just to really **** her around :nono: But last nights was all our war

[jennyjuniper]

People are perfectly allowed to disagree. Calling her a bad/cruel parent crosses the line.

Read up on her treatment of her daughters and you will see that this woman has put herself before her children time and time again. That to me IS a bad parent.

[jennyjuniper]

Well chocolate bars and ice cream aren't really a healthy diet for the child so infact your mother was the one in the wrong.

As adults we try to eat healthy (well I do anyway) so why not look after your child the way you would look after your own body.

Alicia is doing nothing wrong her intentions are good.

Please read about her actions towards her youngest daughter about a year ago and tell me then that you think she is a good mother.

[mizzy25]

of course she isn't being bullied. shes playing the sweet and innocent victim, but no shes not being bullied.

[Jack The Cat]

Please read about her actions towards her youngest daughter about a year ago and tell me then that you think she is a good mother.

I have just read up on her and frankly I'm shocked. The woman has some serious issues, I'm not sure what is worse, her parenting skills or how she treats her dog.

[sassysocks]

I don't think she is being bullied either. I think she is well able to stand up for herself but is playing the victim game then she walked out on Cami and said she couldn't be listening to her SHRILL voice. She is well able to give as much as she gets but she knows people will feel sorry for her if she plays the upset little girl. I don't buy it. Cami is a bitch of the highest order but she said she was in her VT and at LEAST she is not pretending to be something she isn't. Alicia needs to either fight her corner or just ignore them by saying ;whatever whatever.

If Alicia was playing the sympathy card, that bar was set by Chloe with all her dramatics over Jeremy, yet you supported her. You can't have it both ways.

[Pincho Paxton]

She is definitely being bullied. Some years it is not so obvious that someone is being bullied, but this year it is very obvious.

[Dollface]

Please read about her actions towards her youngest daughter about a year ago and tell me then that you think she is a good mother.

I can't find the post you quoted but i'm glad you did because i'd never of seen Daniels post if you didn't.

Daniel, my mother wasn't in the wrong and i'm perfectly healthy, so you can **** off, you stupid, pathetic arsehole. That's my last words on the matter.

[jaxie]

I have to disagree with the op. If people gang up on someone with spiteful language and say things like their family doesn't love them is bullying. Even though Alicia bites back it probably makes her feel very bad and like no one likes her. Just because someone can stand up for herself does not mean she isn't being bullied. Sometimes it takes a great deal of strength to go to a situation every day where a small group of people constantly criticise you and try to make you feel worthless.

I defy you not to feel bullied and miserable in a room full of people treating you that way.

[Beso]

if i can see she is then she is.

[jennyjuniper]

Belittled about her parenting choices
Told to her face she's thick
Told to her face she's slow
Told her family hates her

Slaughtered about her looks behind her back by a group of mean girls

Yep she's being bullied

Try watching 'Glamour Model Mum & Me' and see how Alicia doesn't even listen to her own daughter. Instead she talks over her and tries to fill her mind with trash. Good parenting, I don't think so.

[jennyjuniper]

Well chocolate bars and ice cream aren't really a healthy diet for the child so infact your mother was the one in the wrong.

As adults we try to eat healthy (well I do anyway) so why not look after your child the way you would look after your own body.

Alicia is doing nothing wrong her intentions are good.

Oh please for goodness sake read the interview with Alicia in the Mirror I think of when Alicia tried to top herself with her 2 year old locked in a room with her. She was out of it and the child was alone for 13 hours. If she had died it would have scarred that child for life. That's assuming the child didn't die too.
Alicia is a selfish cow, who thinks only of herself.

[jennyjuniper]

I can't find the post you quoted but i'm glad you did because i'd never of seen Daniels post if you didn't.

Daniel, my mother wasn't in the wrong and i'm perfectly healthy, so you can **** off, you stupid, pathetic arsehole. That's my last words on the matter.

Hi Dollface, if you google Alicia Duvall there is an interview she gave, in the Mirror I think.
You should also check out on youtube 'Glamour Model & Me', where her very bright teenage daughter wants to go to uni and have a career, but bimbo Alicia wants her to leave school at 16, have a boob job and marry a rich man. And then she has the nerve to be offended when someone suggests she's not a good parent!!

[Mystic Mock]

Try watching 'Glamour Model Mum & Me' and see how Alicia doesn't even listen to her own daughter. Instead she talks over her and tries to fill her mind with trash. Good parenting, I don't think so.

That still doesn't excuse what's happening to her in the BB house.

[jennyjuniper]

That still doesn't excuse what's happening to her in the BB house.

It could go a long way to explaining why Katy doesn't like her. Working in the media, Katy must know of Alicia's past, yet has not blabbed any of this stuff to the rest of the housemates. If she really were a bully she would have , because Alicia's parenting skills or lack of them would have shocked the others and maybe turned more of them against her. So it's to Katy's credit that she hasn't revealed all.

[Tip]

Yep, and credit to Katy for being gleeful at having a go at "one brain cell" Alicia, who has a history of depression and attempted suicide?

[sassysocks]

- Alicia can raise her own child however she wants to, so long as she feels she's raising the child well.
- Alicia, like any other person in the world, is entitled to air how she rears her child to whomever she feels.
- Alicia should NOT be made to feel cornered or like a bad mother because of this.
- The two girls, particularly Cami, who verbally attacked her for no reason, are a pair of sl*gs who have altered their faces and bodies specifically in a way to make themselves more appealing to men, and so should think twice before commenting on anyone elses lifestyle choices. Alicia has admittedly learned her lesson on surgery.
- Attacking someone for no reason, whether you're 'just being honest' or not, is bullying. No two ways about it. If you disagree with that, then you are no better than that evil, relentless, insensitive, inconsiderate witch, Katie Hopkins.

Agree with every word of that, well said!

[sassysocks]

Hi Dollface, if you google Alicia Duvall there is an interview she gave, in the Mirror I think.
You should also check out on youtube 'Glamour Model & Me', where her very bright teenage daughter wants to go to uni and have a career, but bimbo Alicia wants her to leave school at 16, have a boob job and marry a rich man. And then she has the nerve to be offended when someone suggests she's not a good parent!!

There is absolutely no excuse for the two tarts' treatment of Alicia regardless of her rather backward attitudes. It is pretty shameful to encourage her bright daugther to give up on uni and find a rich husband, God what century is that woman living in.

However Cami and Chloe are just the same. They are not strong, independent women as they don't want to educate themselves and pursue a worthwhile career, they want an easy life by getting themselves known via cheap glamour modelling etc and find them themselves rich husbands. The end goal of all three women is the same.

[Jack The Cat]

That still doesn't excuse what's happening to her in the BB house.

Maybe not but it does help explain it, I'm sure most of the HMs would have done some research and the evidence on the net about Alicia shows the type of selfish person she is (Or at least was) people only really started to have a go at her after she (Selfishly) hid food, reinforcing the view. Plus she does have a limited vocabulary and is prone to be slow in comprehension (Keith said this).

Alicia's actions have reinforced the image she has, whilst Katies actions have shown she is not one dimensional (According to the majority of HMs anyway)

I don't think Alicia is a bad person but I do think she is selfish and lacks intelligence.

[Jack The Cat]

It could go a long way to explaining why Katy doesn't like her. Working in the media, Katy must know of Alicia's past, yet has not blabbed any of this stuff to the rest of the housemates. If she really were a bully she would have , because Alicia's parenting skills or lack of them would have shocked the others and maybe turned more of them against her. So it's to Katy's credit that she hasn't revealed all.

Well put, Alicia had a chance to prove people wrong about her but she didn't take that chance and imho her actions speak louder than words.

1) Stealing food.
2) Lying about surgery (Not sure if this is true)
3) Lack of understanding about basic common knowledge.
4) Supporting Perez and being fooled by him (She now admits this)