View Full Version : Do You Consider The Phrase "Take It Like A Man" To Be A Homophobic Insult.
Jack The Cat
23-01-2015, 12:27 AM
By which I mean, is the phrase "Take It Like A Man" in your opinion a homophobic insult. Not in relation to anyone in particular but in the real world general way.
I do think it can be seen as sexist but I am specifically talking about a homophobic insult.
Mystic Mock
23-01-2015, 12:31 AM
No, but it is sexist.
Course not. I don't like the phrase itself, but there's nothing homophobic to it. That's Perez for you.
rionablue
23-01-2015, 12:36 AM
No of course not
daniel-lewis-1985
23-01-2015, 12:55 AM
No but it can be used in a way to intimidate a man or to make them feel insignificant.
Kind of bullying tactics.
BTW by man I mean any man wether they are straight or gay it doesn't matter.
abhorson
23-01-2015, 01:04 AM
By which I mean, is the phrase "Take It Like A Man" in your opinion a homophobic insult. Not in relation to anyone in particular but in the real world general way.
I do think it can be seen as sexist but I am specifically talking about a homophobic insult.
How on earth is it sexist even. Men are stronger - FACT. (physically wise) It is a man quote to a (pussy) of another man.
Ha, just read your specific. You got me there!
Jack The Cat
23-01-2015, 01:08 AM
How on earth is it sexist even. Men are stronger - FACT. (physically wise) It is a man quote to a (pussy) of another man.
I see your point but the definition does use the phrase "stereotypical masculine traits". So imo that should be acknowledged even if you disagree with the meaning.:shrug:
Jose Mourinho
23-01-2015, 01:12 AM
"Take it like a man" does not truly mean it in the literal sense in my opinion anyway.. I think it means to just take it with some courage. (Not that Hopkins was in the right to even tell that to Perez) I think it is a commonly used phrase. Certainly not a homophobic one not in my opinion anyway.
Amy Jade
23-01-2015, 01:21 AM
No of course not lol
abhorson
23-01-2015, 01:28 AM
"Take it like a man" does not truly mean it in the literal sense in my opinion anyway.. I think it means to just take it with some courage. (Not that Hopkins was in the right to even tell that to Perez) I think it is a commonly used phrase. Certainly not a homophobic one not in my opinion anyway.
:clap1::clap1: You are groot. Forget the KH bit:laugh:
Not that i am a pussy, (don't go there) but i have had it said to me **** loads or another is take one for the team and yet another is are you a man or a mouse.
Who the **** cares:laugh:
abhorson
23-01-2015, 01:35 AM
I see your point but the definition does use the phrase "stereotypical masculine traits". So imo that should be acknowledged even if you disagree with the meaning.:shrug:
From one man to another. Of course it does. Thus not sexist.
Kizzy
23-01-2015, 01:55 AM
No not at all.
No and anybody who thinks it is is a complete dingbat. Not even Perez thinks it's actually a homophobic statement except it's one of his nasty little weapons to use it against people.l which is actually the soul reason why I hate him. He did it to Ken and he's tried to do it to Katie.
jennyjuniper
23-01-2015, 05:19 AM
If I am making coffee for guests (male or female) I say do you take it like a man?, meaning black. And to date no-one has been remotely offended by this.
Anyway where is the insult? Homosexuals are men, even at a stretch, Perez.
Mrbigbrother
23-01-2015, 06:10 AM
Parez is basically saying he isn't a man, and infact he is a woman!
Pete.
23-01-2015, 06:17 AM
No don't be silly
AnnieK
23-01-2015, 06:21 AM
No, it's not homophobic, possibly sexist like "man up" and intimating men should react / act in a certain stereotypical way...but even that's pushing it a bit far. It's just a phrase
VanessaFeltz.
23-01-2015, 06:23 AM
I said yes but i think it is not an insult but it could be offensive not only for only gays for other men. It is not a good phrase to use whatsoever
No way in the context she intended which he knew but attempted to twist. What she has got wrong is to underestimate his ability to identify peoples weakness and use them.
He so wanted her to throw that water at him it almost happened and I think eventually she will do something similar and he will have beat her.
He was the gainer from that task and managed every topic to his advantage.
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:30 AM
its sexist though not homophobic though Hopkins intended it that way
Macie Lightfoot
23-01-2015, 07:32 AM
No, but there's a lot of overlap between gender norms and sexuality, so with that and the fact that it came from Katie Hopkins I'm entirely open to the idea that it is homophobic.
Mystic Mock
23-01-2015, 07:35 AM
its sexist though not homophobic though Hopkins intended it that way
I agree that she intended it as sexist, and at the end of the day she should've got a warning for that and the weight comment towards Perez, but for some reason those prejudices are seen as fine by Big Brother because it's not racism or homophobia.
Jose Mourinho
23-01-2015, 07:36 AM
:clap1::clap1: You are groot. Forget the KH bit:laugh:
Not that i am a pussy, (don't go there) but i have had it said to me **** loads or another is take one for the team and yet another is are you a man or a mouse.
Who the **** cares:laugh:WE ARE GROOT
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:37 AM
I agree that she intended it as sexist, and at the end of the day she should've got a warning for that and the weight comment towards Perez, but for some reason those prejudices are seen as fine by Big Brother because it's not racism or homophobia.
true
I don't care, as long as she continues to look like a tool then tis all good.
Crimson Dynamo
23-01-2015, 07:42 AM
No. She is saying to him stop being a big girls blouse and act like a man.
is he a big girls blouse: yes
he acts like a woman but has no womanly charm or warmth
No. She is saying to him stop being a big girls blouse and act like a man.
is he a big girls blouse: yes
he acts like a woman but has no womanly charm or warmth
:joker:,,you should have met my ex wife!
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:45 AM
No. She is saying to him stop being a big girls blouse and act like a man.
is he a big girls blouse: yes
he acts like a woman but has no womanly charm or warmth
sexist
It could be used in a homophobic way, but in this instance no.
Mystic Mock
23-01-2015, 07:46 AM
So what if Perez behaves feminine? Every guy has something feminine about them (being on a BB Forum for all of us guys is the perfect example) and I'm pretty sure that every woman has something more masculine about them? There's nothing wrong in that, and only narrow minded people like Katie Hopkins can agree with her on that imo.
Crimson Dynamo
23-01-2015, 07:47 AM
sexist
oh stop, you big flirt
:blush2:
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:49 AM
strange how the protector of gay people sticks the knife into perez, maybe hes not her type of gay person? the bitter twat
Mystic Mock
23-01-2015, 07:49 AM
sexist
Ni siht esac kniht yltnereffid?
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:50 AM
oh stop, you big flirt
:blush2:
stalker alert:smug:
Jack The Cat
23-01-2015, 07:50 AM
sexist
So are you are saying, that as a stand alone phrase it is not homophobic then?
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:50 AM
Ni siht esac kniht yltnereffid?
is Katie talking Nazi now :cheer2:
Mystic Mock
23-01-2015, 07:51 AM
oh stop, you big flirt
:blush2:
:joker:
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:51 AM
So are you are saying, that as a stand alone phrase it is not homophobic then?
standalone phrase wtf u mean if its said to a wall?
Mystic Mock
23-01-2015, 07:52 AM
is Katie talking Nazi now :cheer2:
:laugh3:
She might be who knows?
Kazanne
23-01-2015, 07:52 AM
By which I mean, is the phrase "Take It Like A Man" in your opinion a homophobic insult. Not in relation to anyone in particular but in the real world general way.
I do think it can be seen as sexist but I am specifically talking about a homophobic insult.
Of course not,I don't see why it's even an issue,so many overly sensitive people thinking people are having a pop at them,it's laughable,all it means is be strong and stop being childish,it's a compliment to men ,if anything.
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:53 AM
Of course not,I don't see why it's even an issue,so many overly sensitive people thinking people are having a pop at them,it's laughable,all it means is be strong and stop being childish,it's a compliment to men ,if anything.
ffs woman up
joeysteele
23-01-2015, 07:54 AM
I agree that she intended it as sexist, and at the end of the day she should've got a warning for that and the weight comment towards Perez, but for some reason those prejudices are seen as fine by Big Brother because it's not racism or homophobia.
I agree again, I don't see it as a homophobic term however Perez knows her far better it seems than she likely does him, he knew by saying that he would get yet another reaction from her,and she did react strongly.
He knows easily how to wind her up.
She bites everytime.
At least it was a bit revealing that she does care that she would not be seen as being homophobic,so it helped us learn one thing about her.
She should however, as you point out, have had many a talking to from BB and indeed a warning for the 'fat' comment at the very least.
Jack The Cat
23-01-2015, 07:55 AM
strange how the protector of gay people sticks the knife into perez, maybe hes not her type of gay person? the bitter twat
I think she considered his failings as a human being to outweigh the irrelevant issue of his sexuality. Being gay does not make you right or a good person or even define a person, it is a small part of the whole.
Ellen
23-01-2015, 07:55 AM
No not Homophobic. It is just a saying.
Kazanne
23-01-2015, 07:56 AM
ffs woman up
I will if you will:hehe:
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:57 AM
I think she considered his failings as a human being to outweigh the irrelevant issue of his sexuality. Being gay does not make you right or a good person or even define a person, it is a small part of the whole.
tell that to michelle who demands all gay people behave the same by her mental rules
the truth
23-01-2015, 07:57 AM
I will if you will:hehe:
you first
Jack The Cat
23-01-2015, 07:58 AM
standalone phrase wtf u mean if its said to a wall?
Yes then if you said the words to a wall do you think it is a homophobic insult.
the truth
23-01-2015, 08:01 AM
Yes then if you said the words to a wall do you think it is a homophobic insult.
I don't talk to walls do you
Kazanne
23-01-2015, 08:12 AM
I don't talk to walls do you
looks like we might all have to soon ,as everything that is said,someone blows a faux strop
the truth
23-01-2015, 08:18 AM
looks like we might all have to soon ,as everything that is said,someone blows a faux strop
like woman have done for decades
Ellen
23-01-2015, 08:21 AM
looks like we might all have to soon ,as everything that is said,someone blows a faux strop
:thumbs:
thinkingoutloud
23-01-2015, 09:15 AM
Absolutely not, there is no correlation between the two, it's dumb to assume otherwise.
Jack The Cat
23-01-2015, 09:18 AM
I don't talk to walls do you
It appears so, yes.
So you won't answer the question. I understand why, of course it is your right.
Niamh.
23-01-2015, 09:27 AM
No but it can be used in a way to intimidate a man or to make them feel insignificant.
Kind of bullying tactics.
BTW by man I mean any man wether they are straight or gay it doesn't matter.
Yes I agree with that and especially in katie H to perez case after making comments about the size of his manhood etc
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