Bring back voting who you want out, not to save

[Jenn B]

Im so sorry if been covered, but I'm new to the forum and did try to search but to no avail. PLEASE PLEASE bring back vote who you want out, not vote who you want to save. Yes I know why they've changed it, coz the annoying yet HM that keep us talking/moaning will then get kicked out to early, then we moan it's boring, but I for one would not find CBB boring if that vile human being PEREZ was out. I would really enjoy it as I'm getting to the point of never watching it again

GET PEREZ OUT they chanted, so door ittttt

[Ninastar]

Totally agree

I hate the 'vote to save' bullcrap

[Niamh.]

No!! VTS with 3 or more up eachtime, is perfect, clears out the bores first

[Maxxie.]

Prefer vts these days tbh

[Daniel-X]

Vote to save is much more better it means the bigger personalities usually tend to stay and the bores leave earlier on

[Jenn B]

But like so many have said here, cami is out this eviction and I do not find her boring at all. I find her amusing in a strange way, also Alicia she wasn't boring, she was starting to come into her own, with the banter with Katie H.

Also Chloe, another amusing in a strange way out. It doesn't always work getting the bores out first. Look at Callum, yes easy on the eye, but he doesn't do much besides lay on his bed or have a cig by the jacuzzi

[Macie Lightfoot]

Vote to Save is garbage. Not only has it not produced the promised results about ~getting all the bores out~ (the woman pictured in LuciaX's signature was evicted in a VTS with practically the whole house up), but all it actually accomplishes is keeping festering ****s in each week like Conor and Jim Davidson. VTS is a flop.

[Daniel-X]

Vote to Save is garbage. Not only has it not produced the promised results about ~getting all the bores out~ (the woman pictured in LuciaX's signature was evicted in a VTS with practically the whole house up), but all it actually accomplishes is keeping festering ****s in each week like Conor and Jim Davidson. VTS is a flop.

Fair enough I take your point with Frenchy but I did say most...

[Lostie!]

VTS has rewarded nastiness too many times for me to support that system. Also, it doesn't get out "bores" as much as people like to suggest.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Vote to Save also evicted Heaven over Aden lmfao what a victory

[Shaun]

Vote to Save has resulted in:
- Leslie going over Stephanie/George/Kellie
- Frenchy going over Stephanie/Ricci/Kellie
- Liz Jones going over Sam Faiers
- Courtney Stodden & Louie Spence going over Mario Falcone/Carol McGiffin/Vicky Entwhistle :unsure: lmfao what even
- Jasmine Lennard going over Rhian Sugden
- Chris going over Arron (BB13)
- Shievonne going over Conor by a margin of about 80% (I mean they both sucked but come on)
- Caroline going out of eight housemates up including Luke S and Sara (that's pretty much the definitive antidote to the "VTS SAVES BIG CHARACTERS" argument right there)

I mean... there are 'some examples' and then there are 'some examples'.

[Loukas]

Vote to Save has resulted in:
- Leslie going over Stephanie/George/Kellie
- Frenchy going over Stephanie/Ricci/Kellie
- Liz Jones going over Sam Faiers
- Courtney Stodden & Louie Spence going over Mario Falcone/Carol McGiffin/Vicky Entwhistle :unsure: lmfao what even
- Jasmine Lennard going over Rhian Sugden
- Chris going over Arron (BB13)
- Shievonne going over Conor by a margin of about 80% (I mean they both sucked but come on)
- Caroline going out of eight housemates up including Luke S and Sara (that's pretty much the definitive antidote to the "VTS SAVES BIG CHARACTERS" argument right there)

I mean... there are 'some examples' and then there are 'some examples'.

i was gonna say i kinda liked vote to save but i forgot about all of this, you've convinced me otherwise :clap2: :laugh:

[Dollface]

Agreed

[ebandit]

there is merit in both................but where 'you decide' i prefer VTE

as we are voting for an eviction

keep VTS for after the final eviction

Mark L

[Ramsay]

The only reason they have VTS in CBB is so they can keep the ones they spent a **** load of money on for longer. with the civilian BB they don't give a **** which is a shame as 3 or more HMs up every week with VTS is the best option

[poppsywoppsy]

I am totally for a vote to evict. When it is a Vts or free pass, it takes weeks to get the antagonists out.

[RichardG]

VTS isn't perfect but I still much prefer it to VTE, especially with 3+ people up. It has more chance of keeping the entertainment in for longer than a straight VTE does.

[JoshBB]

I see the benefits for both and the current system of VTS for celebrity and VTE for civilian is fine right now.

[smudgie]

I am more likely to vote in the VTE scenario.

[JoshBB]

I am more likely to vote in the VTE scenario.

[2].

[chuff me dizzy]

Agree, vote to save makes more money and is easier to fiddle by the producers

[Jack_]

Vote to save only works when there's multiple housemates up, ideally four or five. Since they're always messing with nomination rules they should just make it so that anyone who receives a nom goes up, that'd do the trick.

And an important point that the detractors of VTS always miss when criticising it is the completely unnecessary vote freezes they insist on doing, because that often turns the vote into a head to head which under vote to save is just a reverse vote to evict. Caroline was evicted after they constantly kept saving housemates until she was guaranteed to lose to anti-votes. I wouldn't say I was a fan for the record but there were worse housemates up that week.

Two all up vote to saves a series (excluding the vote to win week) would suffice in culling the dullards tbh, and if you made them doubles that'd be four non-entities rid of. Perfect.

[Ramsay]

Agree, vote to save makes more money and is easier to fiddle by the producers

If anything i'd assume Evict would make more money

[bots]

Agree, vote to save makes more money and is easier to fiddle by the producers

Its also driven by voters positive feelings to a candidate rather than negative, so in the end, its should bring the person with the best qualities. That's the theory anyway.

[jackc1806]

VTS is better, kept Aaron in BB12 to the end.

[susie q]

I prefer VTE. It was part of the original format of the show, personally I would like to see the show returning to the original format, for at least a couple of series. EG no contact with the outside world, and no tinkering with the nominations.

[Headie]

Burn this thread and everyone agreeing with it http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1nhchIuEU1ql5yr7o4_r1_250.gif

[wendywillow]

No!! VTS with 3 or more up eachtime, is perfect, clears out the bores first

this

[coolface]

no vote to save is so much better

[abhorson]

VTE all day long. Perez would now be gone!

[Samm]

VTS is better, kept Aaron in BB12 to the end.

That isn't good tbh

[Macie Lightfoot]

Vote to Save has resulted in:
- Leslie going over Stephanie/George/Kellie
- Frenchy going over Stephanie/Ricci/Kellie
- Liz Jones going over Sam Faiers
- Courtney Stodden & Louie Spence going over Mario Falcone/Carol McGiffin/Vicky Entwhistle :unsure: lmfao what even
- Jasmine Lennard going over Rhian Sugden
- Chris going over Arron (BB13)
- Shievonne going over Conor by a margin of about 80% (I mean they both sucked but come on)
- Caroline going out of eight housemates up including Luke S and Sara (that's pretty much the definitive antidote to the "VTS SAVES BIG CHARACTERS" argument right there)

I mean... there are 'some examples' and then there are 'some examples'.

Thank you! Even though I ended up being happy with some of those results, the hype around VTS is dumb as hell and it doesn't work like people expect it to. Like, more people phoned in to save Aden than Big Character Heaven. The only people that end up benefiting from VTS are like Conor and Jim Davidson and that's enough of an argument against it tbh.

Big Characters don't automatically equate to good characters and I think that's the biggest misconception. All of the big characters in BB12 sucked. The series was garbage because the storyline was tedious and uninteresting and the people behind it weren't likable or entertaining. In a situation like that, I'd much rather want a tertiary character like Alex to win because at least she had nothing to do with what made the series such a drag.

And for the idea that more than two people need to be nominated so they need to make it so that 2+ nominations and you're up or any nominations and you're up... the nominations process is a mess nowadays. Nominations used to be something to look forward to and used to actually reveal a lot about house dynamics and politics, but now it's just a cluster**** where half the house is going to get nominated as a result of inconsistent rules or a ridiculous twist and it really doesn't matter what you do at all. You're more likely to be nominated out of random chance than for anything you actually did and that's the whole point of nominations in the first place.

[Jenn B]

I am more likely to vote in the VTE scenario.

Me to, if I could vote to evict, id pick the phone up and dial

[hijaxers]

Totally agree

I hate the 'vote to save' bullcrap

So do i !

[hijaxers]

[2].

Make that 3

[hijaxers]

VTS is better, kept Aaron in BB12 to the end.

I hated him more than anyone who's ever been on BB what a god awful winner