Was Perez to blame for upsetting Alex?

[johne]

Can anyone shed any light on the argument between Nadia and Kav around the kitchen table tonight when Kav said something like, "How can you support Perez when he did what he did to Alex." She then aggressively supported Perez to Kav, suggesting that Alex had done something far worse. It seemed to me that she thought what Alex had done was so bad that she didn't want to say it out loud on air. At least that's the impression I got.

[Denver]

Yes he sat there pulling faces, making gestures and staring at him until he retaliated

[johne]

Oh is that all. I thought something more serious may have gone on that we didn't see.

[Daniel-X]

He did nothing wrong. Alexander was DISGUSTING towards Perez telling him he didn't want him breathing over his food and he wouldn't eat it until he walked away. Grabbing his cock and asking him 'Want some of this?'. He was VILE. He was actually a pathetic excuse of time I wouldn't have give him my time of day he was a homophobic prick if he can't handle somebody sitting down and smiling just because he was pissed off with them previously because they dared to cough over his bed then he wasn't really cut out for the show.

[poppsywoppsy]

Nadia is suggesting something else went on from Alex but won't tell what it is.

What a nasty woman she is, as she said, you can't keep it false all the time and she couldn't.

[Denver]

Nadia is suggesting something else went on from Alex but won't tell what it is.

What a nasty woman she is, as she said, you can't keep it false all the time and she couldn't.

She is claiming that the other housemates are lying and that she sw something else

[Daniel-X]

She is claiming that the other housemates are lying and that she sw something else

I already commented above what she saw him grabbing his cock asking him did he want some etc there's no denying Alexander was homophobic in my opinion...

[JTM45]

Absolutely NOT!!!!!!
I think Alexander's behaviour was far, far worse than anything Perez did to him.
Remember, Alexander was the one who received a warning for his behaviour towards Perez not the other way around!

All that crap about not eating food because Perez had 'breathed' near it was highly offensive and he did far worse besides.

[Denver]

I already commented above what she saw him grabbing his cock asking him did he want some etc there's no denying Alexander was homophobic in my opinion...

You made it up and to say he was homophobic yet his best freind in there was gay

[Daniel-X]

You made it up and to say he was homophobic yet his best freind in there was gay

I didn't make it up watch the clip back I think I know what I saw...

I'm sick of you constantly trying to defend everyone who isn't Perez and Nadia by saying you didn't see or hear things

[Vicky.]

Cant believe I missed all this alex/perez stuff :facepalm:

[Amy Jade]

Yes he was, Alexander said he left because of Perez in an interview on BOTS.

[Jack The Cat]

I didn't make it up watch the clip back I think I know what I saw...

I'm sick of you constantly trying to defend everyone who isn't Perez and Nadia by saying you didn't see or hear things

Shouldn't make it personal.:nono:

[Denver]

I didn't make it up watch the clip back I think I know what I saw...

I'm sick of you constantly trying to defend everyone who isn't Perez and Nadia by saying you didn't see or hear things

Yet you defend Perez and Nadia and hate the rest? Dont put your ****ing double standards on me im sick to death of fans of Perez trying to belittle people who dislike him

[Moosething]

You made it up and to say he was homophobic yet his best freind in there was gay
*says something racist*

I'm not racist... MY FRIEND IS BLACK

[JTM45]

Yes he was, Alexander said he left because of Perez in an interview on BOTS.

No he didn't!
I saw that interview and that's not what he said.:nono:

[Jack The Cat]

Yes Alex left due to the behaviour of Perez.

[Denver]

No he didn't!
I saw that interview and that's not what he said.:nono:

He left as he couldnt trust himself not to beat Perez but i think he should of beat him anyway

[Daniel-X]

Yet you defend Perez and Nadia and hate the rest? Dont put your ****ing double standards on me im sick to death of fans of Perez trying to belittle people who dislike him

Shouldn't make it personal.:nono:

I'm sorry for making it personal I went too far I shouldn't do stuff like that it was out of order I'm sorry Adamski it was just everyone yesterday was saying they hadn't heard Patsy or Cami saying chola only Perez etc. But that was wrong of me and I hope you forgive me

[MrWong]

He did nothing wrong. Alexander was DISGUSTING towards Perez telling him he didn't want him breathing over his food and he wouldn't eat it until he walked away. Grabbing his cock and asking him 'Want some of this?'. He was VILE. He was actually a pathetic excuse of time I wouldn't have give him my time of day he was a homophobic prick if he can't handle somebody sitting down and smiling just because he was pissed off with them previously because they dared to cough over his bed then he wasn't really cut out for the show.

Dared cough over his bed? He deliberately and persistantly coughed over his bed, he even told us the viewers that it was a deliberate act.

I'm still unsure why Perez decided to target Alexander.

[Daniel-X]

*says something racist*

I'm not racist... MY FRIEND IS BLACK

:clap1:

[JTM45]

He left as he couldnt trust himself not to beat Perez but i think he should of beat him anyway

So he left because of his inability to act like a decent human being then!
What an asshole! :shrug:

[Denver]

So he left because of his inability to act like a decent human being then!
What an asshole! :shrug:

You can only be pushed so far before you snap

[JTM45]

You can only be pushed so far before you snap

No you can't. It's called self restraint and Alexander clearly didn't have any if he felt he needed to resort to violence. Disgusting attitude!!!!:nono:

[Jack The Cat]

I'm sorry for making it personal I went too far I shouldn't do stuff like that it was out of order I'm sorry Adamski it was just everyone yesterday was saying they hadn't heard Patsy or Cami saying chola only Perez etc. But that was wrong of me and I hope you forgive me

Respect.:douf:

If it helps I have heard Patsy and Cami say Chola, I looked it up and it is not a racist word, well no more than Geordie or Scouse is.

[Amy Jade]

Perez bullied poor Alex

[Daniel-X]

Respect.:douf:

If it helps I have heard Patsy and Cami say Chola, I looked it up and it is not a racist word, well no more than Geordie or Scouse is.

Thankyou :love:

Jeremy Kyle :love:

[Moosething]

How did nobody hear Patsy saying chola?
she said it like 100 times
selective hearing peeps

[Denver]

How did nobody hear Patsy saying chola?
she said it like 100 times
selective hearing peeps

I never said she didnt imo

[Daniel-X]

How did nobody hear Patsy saying chola?
she said it like 100 times
selective hearing peeps

:clap1:

Literally loads of people were saying it yesterday. Sorry Amy Jade but you was one

[Stormy]

He did nothing wrong. Alexander was DISGUSTING towards Perez telling him he didn't want him breathing over his food and he wouldn't eat it until he walked away. Grabbing his cock and asking him 'Want some of this?'. He was VILE. He was actually a pathetic excuse of time I wouldn't have give him my time of day he was a homophobic prick if he can't handle somebody sitting down and smiling just because he was pissed off with them previously because they dared to cough over his bed then he wasn't really cut out for the show.

Sorry...but those where all reactions after Perez started antagonizing him. It was after Perez went beside his bed and woke him up by coughing relentlessly. Perez purposefully went after Alexander and admitted he was fake coughing to annoy him. It continued with Perez following him around and blowing kisses. All done to try and get Alexander to blow. After that, Alexander felt that Perez was after him and he could not even stand to be in the same room as him. Hence, the complaint about him "breathing into the food".

Do I agree with how Alexander handled it? No....but if you're going to poke a lion, don't cry because he bites you. It was Perez's fault...clear and simple.

Edited to add:

Nadia is implying that it was Alexander's fault because she needs an excuse for condoning it. She has no viable reason which is why she is claiming she "won't say anything about it". She could care less about Alexander, it's because she doesn't have a valid reason.

[Northern Monkey]

Sorry...but those where all reactions after Perez started antagonizing him. It was after Perez went beside his bed and woke him up by coughing relentlessly. Perez purposefully went after Alexander and admitted he was fake coughing to annoy him. It continued with Perez following him around and blowing kisses. All done to try and get Alexander to blow. After that, Alexander felt that Perez was after him and he could not even stand to be in the same room as him. Hence, the complaint about him "breathing into the food".

Do I agree with how Alexander handled it? No....but if you're going to poke a lion, don't cry because he bites you. It was Perez's fault...clear and simple.

Edited to add:

Nadia is implying that it was Alexander's fault because she needs an excuse for condoning it. She has no viable reason which is why she is claiming she "won't say anything about it". She could care less about Alexander, it's because she doesn't have a valid reason.

:clap1: yep.Truth.

[MrWong]

Sorry...but those where all reactions after Perez started antagonizing him. It was after Perez went beside his bed and woke him up by coughing relentlessly. Perez purposefully went after Alexander and admitted he was fake coughing to annoy him. It continued with Perez following him around and blowing kisses. All done to try and get Alexander to blow. After that, Alexander felt that Perez was after him and he could not even stand to be in the same room as him. Hence, the complaint about him "breathing into the food".

Do I agree with how Alexander handled it? No....but if you're going to poke a lion, don't cry because he bites you. It was Perez's fault...clear and simple.

Edited to add:

Nadia is implying that it was Alexander's fault because she needs an excuse for condoning it. She has no viable reason which is why she is claiming she "won't say anything about it". She could care less about Alexander, it's because she doesn't have a valid reason.

:clap1:

I still can't figure out why Perez started baiting Alexander in the first place :conf:

[Stormy]

:clap1:

I still can't figure out why Perez started baiting Alexander in the first place :conf:

Personally, I think that Perez didn't intend to go after Alexander, per se. He was just trying to annoy the houseguests for some attention and that night he picked Alexander to cough at. What he didn't expect was for Alexander to get so angry...instead of apologizing and diffusing the situation, Perez just upped his game and went after him because he didn't like how Alexander treated him after the coughing incident.

I love how Nadia went off on everyone tonight after Perez told her what they supposedly said (having no problem that she didn't see/hear it herself)...yet refuses to defend Alex because she has a problem with not seeing/hearing what Perez did to him. Pure example of a hypocrite.

[Angelika]

Can anyone shed any light on the argument between Nadia and Kav around the kitchen table tonight when Kav said something like, "How can you support Perez when he did what he did to Alex." She then aggressively supported Perez to Kav, suggesting that Alex had done something far worse. It seemed to me that she thought what Alex had done was so bad that she didn't want to say it out loud on air. At least that's the impression I got.

Kav was bring disingenous about Perez, Nadia wan't taking it!

Perez isn't responsible for what Alexander said or his outragous over-reaction to Perez. Perez has the right to behave like a loon and not be called nssty names by Alex. Nadia wasn't being drawn by Kav to repeat the abusive language Alex used. Kav was furious he couldn't get what he wanted. Stooopid man!

[Denver]

Personally, I think that Perez didn't intend to go after Alexander, per se. He was just trying to annoy the houseguests for some attention and that night he picked Alexander to cough at. What he didn't expect was for Alexander to get so angry...instead of apologizing and diffusing the situation, Perez just upped his game and went after him because he didn't like how Alexander treated him after the coughing incident.

I love how Nadia went off on everyone tonight after Perez told her what they supposedly said (having no problem that she didn't see/hear it herself)...yet refuses to defend Alex because she has a problem with not seeing/hearing what Perez did to him. Pure example of a hypocrite.
:clap1: :clap1:

[Mick McMick]

Perez forced Big Brother's hand with Alex (and Jeremy to an extent)
by using the magic phrase, "I don't feel safe."

When that phrased is used repeatedly, Big Brother is left with no choice but
to remove someone who is making others feel uncomfortable.

[Pennie]

Perez is a *****ing nightmare and goaded Alex, but he did it because Alex is a homophobe.

[Semtex]

Nadir acts like a premiership manager around Perez, she can't ever see what her player has done wrong, but if her player gets a strong challenge she'll be the first on the phone to the FA.

[Mystic Mock]

He did nothing wrong. Alexander was DISGUSTING towards Perez telling him he didn't want him breathing over his food and he wouldn't eat it until he walked away. Grabbing his cock and asking him 'Want some of this?'. He was VILE. He was actually a pathetic excuse of time I wouldn't have give him my time of day he was a homophobic prick if he can't handle somebody sitting down and smiling just because he was pissed off with them previously because they dared to cough over his bed then he wasn't really cut out for the show.

I actually didn't mind Alexander, but I do agree with a lot of this, if Perez just being near him causes that reaction then he deserved to go imo.

[Mystic Mock]

Yet you defend Perez and Nadia and hate the rest? Dont put your ****ing double standards on me im sick to death of fans of Perez trying to belittle people who dislike him

But what about when it's happening the other way? Which is how it started out and I'm not being biased because at the time I noticed it I was supporting Alicia.

[Mystic Mock]

Perez bullied poor Alex

And yet you think that Perez isn't being bullied by KH and Michelle?

Come on be fair here.

[Semtex]

I actually didn't mind Alexander, but I do agree with a lot of this, if Perez just being near him causes that reaction then he deserved to go imo.

What about the constant goading, sleep depriving an old man by coughing all night not two feet from his bed? showing lack of respect. constantly blowing kisses and sticking his tongue between two fingers and simulating oral sex to Alexander when they were just sat chilling out on the sofas.
That's just what they showed us!

What he said in anger was wrong, no argument, but why did Perez target Alexander in the first place? Is he racist?

[Ellen]

Personally, I think that Perez didn't intend to go after Alexander, per se. He was just trying to annoy the houseguests for some attention and that night he picked Alexander to cough at. What he didn't expect was for Alexander to get so angry...instead of apologizing and diffusing the situation, Perez just upped his game and went after him because he didn't like how Alexander treated him after the coughing incident.

I love how Nadia went off on everyone tonight after Perez told her what they supposedly said (having no problem that she didn't see/hear it herself)...yet refuses to defend Alex because she has a problem with not seeing/hearing what Perez did to him. Pure example of a hypocrite.

This :clap1:
Alex complained about Perez breathing over his food because Perez had a virus and Alex thought it was disgusting someone doing that on purpose when they were ill.

[Mystic Mock]

What about the constant goading, sleep depriving an old man by coughing all night not two feet from his bed? showing lack of respect. constantly blowing kisses and sticking his tongue between two fingers and simulating oral sex to Alexander when they were just sat chilling out on the sofas.
That's just what they showed us!

What he said in anger was wrong, no argument, but why did Perez target Alexander in the first place? Is he racist?

The only thing there that Perez did wrong was the coughing, everything else was an overreaction on Alexander's part imo.

[Caballo]

I didn't make it up watch the clip back I think I know what I saw...

I'm sick of you constantly trying to defend everyone who isn't Perez and Nadia by saying you didn't see or hear things

As opposed to constantly making excuses for Perez behaviour regardless of how innapropriate and outladish it is. To quote former contest George Galloway "you're two cheeks of the same arse"

[sodak22]

Perez sensed a weakness in Alexander and went hard after it. Is alex right? no. Is perez right for goading it into him, no. Does that make alex a homophobe, not at all. Alex was already set off by Ken... I grew up a few hours west of Minneapolis in the US(where Alexander was from), as an American we do not ever say either N word as both are considered extremely offensive anywhere you go in the US. I understand Alex's reaction as a white male living in the US. Alex had a short temper for anyone saying/doing something offensive to him and it cost him, he was right to leave before more damage was done on his part. But to act like no one played on that is ridiculous. Perez knew what he was doing with the tonguing and blown kisses. Exactly what he was doing, he makes a living off pressing buttons and getting people to bite FFS.

[Tip]

Alex couldn't cope with BB this time around - I can't see the point in blame - it's a game show with extreme characters -if you can't control your aggression then go. Leave it to those who have more self control.

Someone upsets somebody else most times in BB. They don't all walk and if they did there would be no programme.

Perez coughing was intentionally annoying and silly - but it was at 6:30 in the morning? Not all night?

Alex may be elderly but he isn't at retirement age - he's a working man, and our world is full of people his age and considerably older that are up and and about working - they don't have to be treated as if they are all feeble and in need of care homes.

Yes, Perez annoyed Alex. Perez goaded Alex. Alex couldn't deal with it in a controlled fashion so did the wisest thing and left. Somebody else could well have dealt with a great deal better. Alex is the one to take responsibility for his response.

[sodak22]

Alex couldn't cope with BB this time around - I can't see the point in blame - it's a game show with extreme characters -if you can't control your aggression then go. Leave it to those who have more self control.

Someone upsets somebody else most times in BB. They don't all walk and if they did there would be no programme.

Perez coughing was intentionally annoying and silly - but it was at 6:30 in the morning? Not all night?

Alex may be elderly but he isn't at retirement age - he's a working man, and our world is full of people his age and considerably older that are up and and about working - they don't have to be treated as if they are all feeble and in need of care homes.

Yes, Perez annoyed Alex. Perez goaded Alex. Alex couldn't deal with it in a controlled fashion so did the wisest thing and left. Somebody else could well have dealt with a great deal better. Alex is the one to take responsibility for his response.

You are very correct in what you say. The only thing that really stands out to me is this: Michelle Visage is a champion of gay rights, and she took the "homophobe's" side. I did not know who she was until this series (and I live in the US and I'm a straight male), but that speaks volumes for me. It makes me wonder what really went on.... I do not think she is just a shill for Katie H as this happened pretty early in the series. Alex acted wrong, Ken acted wrong, the baywatch guy may have acted wrong (no visual evidence).... but the common denominator is Perez. He pushes buttons better than anyone, which is exactly how he became famous in the US in the first place. His act is old here and I imagine abroad as well....

[-Sue-]

Alex couldn't cope with BB this time around - I can't see the point in blame - it's a game show with extreme characters -if you can't control your aggression then go. Leave it to those who have more self control.

Someone upsets somebody else most times in BB. They don't all walk and if they did there would be no programme.

Perez coughing was intentionally annoying and silly - but it was at 6:30 in the morning? Not all night?

Alex may be elderly but he isn't at retirement age - he's a working man, and our world is full of people his age and considerably older that are up and and about working - they don't have to be treated as if they are all feeble and in need of care homes.

Yes, Perez annoyed Alex. Perez goaded Alex. Alex couldn't deal with it in a controlled fashion so did the wisest thing and left. Somebody else could well have dealt with a great deal better. Alex is the one to take responsibility for his response.

:clap1: nice post :D

[jennyjuniper]

Nadia is suggesting something else went on from Alex but won't tell what it is.

What a nasty woman she is, as she said, you can't keep it false all the time and she couldn't.

And this is the woman who would have us believe is open and honest!! Bollocks. Alexander didn't say much, but he didn't miss much either and he sussed Nadia and Perez out, which is why Perez wanted rid of him.

[jennyjuniper]

No you can't. It's called self restraint and Alexander clearly didn't have any if he felt he needed to resort to violence. Disgusting attitude!!!!:nono:

How can you not laugh when you say that. Talk about lack of restraint....we are talking about Perez here aren't we?

[sodak22]

And this is the woman who would have us believe is open and honest!! Bollocks. Alexander didn't say much, but he didn't miss much either and he sussed Nadia and Perez out, which is why Perez wanted rid of him.

:cheer2: Exactly. Perez has been playing from the start. Ken and especially Alex had not a clue to the charade, they acted on impulse and fed into his BS first. What I cannot figure is if Nadia knew this all along and only wants to leave with her check or not....:blush:

[johne]

You are very correct in what you say. The only thing that really stands out to me is this: Michelle Visage is a champion of gay rights, and she took the "homophobe's" side. I did not know who she was until this series (and I live in the US and I'm a straight male), but that speaks volumes for me. It makes me wonder what really went on.... I do not think she is just a shill for Katie H as this happened pretty early in the series. Alex acted wrong, Ken acted wrong, the baywatch guy may have acted wrong (no visual evidence).... but the common denominator is Perez. He pushes buttons better than anyone, which is exactly how he became famous in the US in the first place. His act is old here and I imagine abroad as well....

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

[Tip]

You are very correct in what you say. The only thing that really stands out to me is this: Michelle Visage is a champion of gay rights, and she took the "homophobe's" side. I did not know who she was until this series (and I live in the US and I'm a straight male), but that speaks volumes for me. It makes me wonder what really went on.... I do not think she is just a shill for Katie H as this happened pretty early in the series. Alex acted wrong, Ken acted wrong, the baywatch guy may have acted wrong (no visual evidence).... but the common denominator is Perez. He pushes buttons better than anyone, which is exactly how he became famous in the US in the first place. His act is old here and I imagine abroad as well....

I can't comment on Michelle and the "homophobe" comment, what she does and why, whether he is a homophobe or not didn't feature in how I saw the Alex's departure and the need for people to "blame". I'm not interested in the "side" taking, just the need to blame.

If Perez is so well known for pushing buttons and his act is old, then I guess Alex had a good idea of what he might be letting himself in for but he still couldn't actually cope.

If there was a challenge to not let someone push your buttons to the point that you get physically aggressive - then I guess Alex wouldn't have met that one. I probably couldn't live with Perez either, but as Katie H says, man up accept that the challenge was bigger than you could cope with. Take responsibility.

[sodak22]

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

Ken using the N word was completely not ok in the slightest, but I could understand it from about a 70+ year old... I could also definitely see why Alex reacted the way he did when Ken said it to him. You do not say that and Alex told him it would "get his ass beat" where he was from. Understandably, as a white male growing up not far from where Alex did, it makes perfect sense. But if anyone sent ken into a rage it was Perez, not Alex or anyone else. "irrelevant American" was spot on by Ken I may not recall correctly, but I believe Perez was very near the Chloe situation before the accusation part. He loves to be the center of attention, but you are correct the situation did not have much to do with Perez. The common theme was that Perez didn't feel "safe" with Jeremy, Ken, or Alex... which is what the remaining housemates picked up on...

[sodak22]

I can't comment on Michelle and the "homophobe" comment, what she does and why, whether he is a homophobe or not didn't feature in how I saw the Alex's departure and the need for people to "blame". I'm not interested in the "side" taking, just the need to blame.

If Perez is so well known for pushing buttons and his act is old, then I guess Alex had a good idea of what he might be letting himself in for but he still couldn't actually cope.

If there was a challenge to not let someone push your buttons to the point that you get physically aggressive - then I guess Alex wouldn't have met that one. I probably couldn't live with Perez either, but as Katie H says, man up accept that the challenge was bigger than you could cope with. Take responsibility.

Perez is well known by people under 30 in the US. Alex wouldn't have a clue who he was especially since Alex's star had faded long, long ago. But you are correct, Alex couldn't hack it which is why he left. I honestly believe he would have hit Perez after a couple more days. He couldn't take the taunting or disrespect even if it was just a game. He didn't get it, but Perez sure did.

And Katie H is right :)

[Angelika]

Perez forced Big Brother's hand with Alex (and Jeremy to an extent)
by using the magic phrase, "I don't feel safe."

When that phrased is used repeatedly, Big Brother is left with no choice but
to remove someone who is making others feel uncomfortable.

There was more to it than Perez saying he didn't feel safe. Alexander had issues that have never been disclosed. His departure was very swift and BB might have had a good reason to do this.

I have my suspicions but like Nadia, prefer to remain tight lipped on it.

[MrWong]

I actually didn't mind Alexander, but I do agree with a lot of this, if Perez just being near him causes that reaction then he deserved to go imo.

Alexander had no problem being near Perez before Perez started baiting him.

[Angelika]

He didn't get it, but Perez sure did.


Alexander didn't get Perez, the reason he left.

It's a generation gap Alexander couldn't reach over. Its possible he felt he couldn't stay in the house a minute longer.

[MrWong]

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

Perez told Big Brother that he felt unsafe in the house with Jeremy around.

Big Brother had no choice but to take him seriously.