'Speaking the truth'

[Josy]

I have lost count of the times I have noticed people saying 'Katie Hopkins is just speaking the truth' to defend her vile comments both in the house and now it seems her comments out of the house are being defended in the same way.

So my question is, why then is her just 'speaking the truth' always nasty, malicious, horrible and never a nice truth, never does she say something useful, endearing etc and claim it's just the truth?

Also when anyone tells her the truth (as they see it) her face goes pretty flushed because she can't take back what she gives out, but thats another thread.

Opinions

[Beso]

she claimed last night to thrive on confrontation, dunno why she wants rid of perez so much then!

[Josy]

she claimed last night to thrive on confrontation, dunno why she wants rid of perez so much then!

True.

I think it's always been obvious she thrives on confrontation that's why I don't understand people defending her by saying otherwise when she admits these things herself.

[Kazanne]

True.

I think it's always been obvious she thrives on confrontation that's why I don't understand people defending her by saying otherwise when she admits these things herself.

Maybe look into your siggie a bit more Josy,he seems to have sussed it:hehe: but there and loads and loads of suck arses for us to love,we need people who are not scared to be hated by just giving an opinion,I like her for that,she may be scathing and sounds sometimes cruel,but,she's certainly brave in my book,it would be so simple for her to go along with the flow.

[Vanessa]

Urgh! I hate her so much that in the final i will pile up the vote for anyone who is with her. Anyone! Even Callum. :fist:

[Josy]

Maybe look into your siggie a bit more Josy,he seems to have sussed it:hehe: but there and loads and loads of suck arses for us to love,we need people who are not scared to be hated by just giving an opinion,I like her for that,she may be scathing and sounds sometimes cruel,but,she's certainly brave in my book,it would be so simple for her to go along with the flow.

Why do we need people to speak our opinion? We are well capable of speaking our own opinions.

But honestly the point of my OP wasn't for people to explain why they like Katie Hopkins again, it was asking if she's only 'speaking the truth' why are none of those truths ever nice, or not even nice but just not nasty?

[Beso]

Why do we need people to speak our opinion? We are well capable of speaking our own opinions.

But honestly the point of my OP wasn't for people to explain why they like Katie Hopkins again, it was asking if she's only 'speaking the truth' why are none of those truths ever nice, or not even nice but just not nasty?

I suppose it pays the bills josy, which contradicts her again because that says to me she doesn't even believe in what she is saying herself, it's all for the shock value really..pretty shallow and small minded in my opinion and she has basically sold her soul.

[jaxie]

I have lost count of the times I have noticed people saying 'Katie Hopkins is just speaking the truth' to defend her vile comments both in the house and now it seems her comments out of the house are being defended in the same way.

So my question is, why then is her just 'speaking the truth' always nasty, malicious, horrible and never a nice truth, never does she say something useful, endearing etc and claim it's just the truth?

Also when anyone tells her the truth (as they see it) her face goes pretty flushed because she can't take back what she gives out, but thats another thread.

Opinions But if its all true, what about the poor gingers? What people should be asking KH is what we do about it all? Should the gingers dye en masse or die en masse? And the people in the mobility scooters, should they stay indoors always, maybe nailed in so they can no longer offend? Do we ostracise all the Tyler's and Chantelle's, perhaps they should all be home schooled so no one has to play with them or have any of them round for tea? Its very easy to spout off criticism of elements of society for the sake of it but it all gets rather more sinister when you try to think of solutions to her offense. The things she says have no constructive value and are simply aimed to hurt. I'm not sure I see where the truth in that is.

[bots]

The problem I have with Katie Hopkins truth is that she is not speaking it for the greater good or to enlighten the world. She is doing it for her own smug satisfaction that she gets from picking fault with and humiliating others

[Vanessa]

The problem I have with Katie Hopkins truth is that she is not speaking it for the greater good or to enlighten the world. She is doing it for her own smug satisfaction that she gets from picking fault with and humiliating others

And this is why i can never support her. :nono:

[Niamh.]

I suppose it pays the bills josy, which contradicts her again because that says to me she doesn't even believe in what she is saying herself, it's all for the shock value really..pretty shallow and small minded in my opinion and she has basically sold her soul.

Yep in a nut shell.

and just in reply to Kazannes post. Personally I prefer a person who's capable of putting their opinion across in a way where people will actually listen to it. All katie does is spout off vile crap for a reaction, there is no other purpose to these opinions as far as I can see.

[Niamh.]

The problem I have with Katie Hopkins truth is that she is not speaking it for the greater good or to enlighten the world. She is doing it for her own smug satisfaction that she gets from picking fault with and humiliating others

:clap2:

[smudgie]

Oh if only she did speak the truth though.
She just spouts bile as she gets well paid for it, nothing to do with any truth.
There comes a point where most people's conscience would kick in, but I am afraid she puts money and fame(so called fame) above anything else.

[Lostie!]

"She's just speaking the truth" is merely one of a few excuses trotted out for her, excuses that happen to contradict each other. "She's just joking" and "She's just playing up to a persona" are the other big ones. They can't all be the case.

It's just people trying to make (weak) excuses for the fact that she says downright horrible things. Yet, when people on the forums or housemates criticise her (hey, they're just speaking the truth, right?), all hell breaks loose. :shrug:

[Josy]

Yep in a nut shell.

and just in reply to Kazannes post. Personally I prefer a person who's capable of putting their opinion across in a way where people will actually listen to it. All katie does is spout off vile crap for a reaction, there is no other purpose to these opinions as far as I can see.

Same

[Jemal]

Josy one day you will understand why katie hopkins is such a fantastic woman.

[Jemal]

Tbh i'll probs end up hating her again when this series finish lol

[Jules2]

Maybe look into your siggie a bit more Josy,he seems to have sussed it:hehe: but there and loads and loads of suck arses for us to love,we need people who are not scared to be hated by just giving an opinion,I like her for that,she may be scathing and sounds sometimes cruel,but,she's certainly brave in my book,it would be so simple for her to go along with the flow.


She certainly does tell the truth and that is the beauty of her, she doesnt say it behind their backs which others do. She takes criticism on the chin and admits that as she gives she will take back.

If she doesnt give comfort why did she comfort Michelle, why did she laugh and banter with Alicia, she was the one who went to her and put her arms around her. Why did she go and throw herself at Nadia to give her "cuddles" and "kisses" someone who really dislikes her. Why is she standing up for Kav against the rest. Why did she shake hands with Nadia and then Nadia immediately goes and talks behind her back.

The rest are gradually becoming Perez' clique with his three main stays, Nadia, Keith and KP. He may even win over Michelle. I guess they all love a rumble and tumble in the bitterness spuddling line which is Perez, he surely is turning that spoon and the pot is getting bigger with those who think he is so truthful. Gosh he has so many bullets and they each have a gun.

Katie: Calum and Kav for the win. :wavey:

[rusticgal]

I don't like her...sometimes she is brave to say things that others wouldn't dare to say. I dislike it when she gets personal and picks on people for personal traits. She does it for effect...it's cruel and unnecessary most of the time but it's made her a lot of money.
I think people like her because she makes a brilliant housemate...she has entertained us for all the wrong reasons but she has spoken her mind...she hasn't failed in that department and she has helped make the show compelling watching.
Let's face it....every episode has been amazing...she gets booed but she still speaks her mind. She isn't afraid to...she isn't trying to change the publics mind of her unlike some.
I don't think many would like her for some of the stuff she says... But she has helped make this CBB brilliant and that's in her favour.

[DemolitionRed]

But if its all true, what about the poor gingers? What people should be asking KH is what we do about it all? Should the gingers dye en masse or die en masse? And the people in the mobility scooters, should they stay indoors always, maybe nailed in so they can no longer offend? Do we ostracise all the Tyler's and Chantelle's, perhaps they should all be home schooled so no one has to play with them or have any of them round for tea? Its very easy to spout off criticism of elements of society for the sake of it but it all gets rather more sinister when you try to think of solutions to her offense. The things she says have no constructive value and are simply aimed to hurt. I'm not sure I see where the truth in that is.

Bingo...good post!

[Pincho Paxton]

Speaking the truth, and working for The Sun are polar opposites.

[Jules2]

As we know we all speak our own truths, this is the beauty of conversation and debate.

Katie to win with Calum and Kav in the top three.

[Josy]

She certainly does tell the truth and that is the beauty of her, she doesnt say it behind their backs which others do. She takes criticism on the chin and admits that as she gives she will take back.

If she doesnt give comfort why did she comfort Michelle, why did she laugh and banter with Alicia, she was the one who went to her and put her arms around her. Why did she go and throw herself at Nadia to give her "cuddles" and "kisses" someone who really dislikes her. Why is she standing up for Kav against the rest. Why did she shake hands with Nadia and then Nadia immediately goes and talks behind her back.

The rest are gradually becoming Perez' clique with his three main stays, Nadia, Keith and KP. He may even win over Michelle. I guess they all love a rumble and tumble in the bitterness spuddling line which is Perez, he surely is turning that spoon and the pot is getting bigger with those who think he is so truthful. Gosh he has so many bullets and they each have a gun.

Katie: Calum and Kav for the win. :wavey:

I think you will find she only tells her 'truth' that doesn't mean it's true even if you agree with it, others don't.

And yes why did she do all that comforting and laughing around because from her own mouth last night in the DR she specifically said she cares not one bit for the lionesses in the house, her own words, clearly meaning the females, so it was basically an act then?

And yes she certainly does bitch and say things behind other hm's backs, like she did with Keith the other day muttering under her breath whilst stomping away that 'everything has to be all about him' and like she did in the DR saying Michelle was her biggest competition in the house when she is supposedly her friend and again like she did with Cami saying she was very immature behind her back.

She hasn't said any of that to these peoples faces.

Seriously not getting how people can deny this hypocrisy when it is being shown daily.

But everything I have replied to in your post doesn't connect to what my question actually was in the OP.

Even if you do think she 'speaks the truth' why are all these truths nasty and aimed at other people then? why are none of them nice truths?

[Cherie]

Good point Josy there must be some nice truths that she can utter from time to time

[arista]

Josy
she made pure love in a field
with a married man

That sums her up

Its good she get you back up
its healthy

[sampvt]

I don't think Hoppo speaks the truth all the time, but she does say what she thinks all the time.

Major difference and she would be the first one to agree that her views are sometimes indigestible, but at the end of the day, they are her words, opinions, beliefs and in the main, her way to carve a living out of modern day events that she feels strongly about. So good on her.

[poppsywoppsy]

I have lost count of the times I have noticed people saying 'Katie Hopkins is just speaking the truth' to defend her vile comments both in the house and now it seems her comments out of the house are being defended in the same way.

So my question is, why then is her just 'speaking the truth' always nasty, malicious, horrible and never a nice truth, never does she say something useful, endearing etc and claim it's just the truth?

Also when anyone tells her the truth (as they see it) her face goes pretty flushed because she can't take back what she gives out, but thats another thread.

Opinions


I don't see her like that at all and am quite amazed at all the vile names she is called as well.

Do others when they call her these names, realise that they are emulating the very same things which they castigate her for.

She has said harsh things about societies benefits scroungers and no one can say it isn't true because it has been proved there are many lazy and fraudulent people who are.

I don't agree with her on the children's names or peoples hair colourings and wish she wouldn't write things like this. She deserves criticism and by goodness she certainly gets it in spades.

I have heard her being nice, but I have also heard her say she doesn't like compliments back. There must have been something in her past which has formed her opinions like this. Overall in the house, she hasn't been nasty to many, just Perez. I feel Nadia has been nastier towards Katie than the other way around.

Yes, she does talk about others but they all do. It was quite obvious when Nadia after calling Katie two faced and talking behind peoples backs, went on to do exactly the same with Perez.

Katie has been the salvation of the house because we would just have the Perez Show all the time. She has fought her corner well, giving Perez little rope and shoving it back in his face when he goes over the top.

Have you thought, Perez may just be the start, there are many copy cat BB housemates chosen and he just might have started a trend of being aggravating and annoying for the future.

[Niamh.]

I don't think Hoppo speaks the truth all the time, but she does say what she thinks all the time.

Major difference and she would be the first one to agree that her views are sometimes indigestible, but at the end of the day, they are her words, opinions, beliefs and in the main, her way to carve a living out of modern day events that she feels strongly about. So good on her.

the world would be an horrendous place to live if we all did that though. Think before you speak is a good rule to have imo :laugh:

[DemolitionRed]

As we know we all speak our own truths, this is the beauty of conversation and debate.

Katie to win with Calum and Kav in the top three.

Absolutely and those truths are rightly coupled with our moral/core values. If Katie Hopkins moral values are the same as her utterances regarding, lets say ginger haired people, her morals are very shallow. If she's joking and really does have some empathy with those whom she mocks, then its not truth.

Fortunately there aren't many people who use what's called the "harm principle" when talking to or about a person or we would be seeing public lynching on a mass scale.

[Tip]

She makes a living out of making these "negative" comments because an awful lot of people like the fact that she makes them.

A lot of comedians also state sometimes outrageously negative things to make others laugh and make a living out of it. A lot of Katie H's comments that I've seen pasted are copies of material I've seen comedians producing for ages. I'm sure she's nicked loads from Joan Rivers who scandalised many with her statements regarding Palestinians for example before Katie got in on it.

People who actually seem to know Katie H, even those in the business who have definite leftist leanings, seem to state that she is actually a very nice person beyond the money making persona.

I can't take her seriously but for me she doesn't quite have the skills to make me laugh except for her face pulling. Her popularity isn't her fault.

[joeysteele]

Urgh! I hate her so much that in the final i will pile up the vote for anyone who is with her. Anyone! Even Callum. :fist:

Me too Vanessa, no matter who it may be.
The one person I do not want to win this now is Katie Hopkins,even though while she has been in the house, she has held back on the vast majority of her heartless,cruel,unjust and prejudiced views and comments as to others.

Sometimes however some slip out still. Awful, horrible woman, I actually agreed with Matt Johnson on bbbts last night, she is just simply a horrible human being,

[DemolitionRed]

I actually agreed with Matt Johnson on bbbts last night, she is just simply a horrible human being,

Twice he said something like, "Hopkins and Parez should not win this show because of what it will say about the British public".

[Beso]

Speaking the truth, and working for The Sun are polar opposites.

like the tip and base of her nose!

[Beso]

I don't think Hoppo speaks the truth all the time, but she does say what she thinks all the time.

Major difference and she would be the first one to agree that her views are sometimes indigestible, but at the end of the day, they are her words, opinions, beliefs and in the main, her way to carve a living out of modern day events that she feels strongly about. So good on her.

yes good on kh for mocking the dead and the families they left behind in her contempt for Glasgow, I mean come n, don't let a modern day tragedy get in the way of comedy gold!!

[kirklancaster]

I don't think Hoppo speaks the truth all the time, but she does say what she thinks all the time.

Major difference and she would be the first one to agree that her views are sometimes indigestible, but at the end of the day, they are her words, opinions, beliefs and in the main, her way to carve a living out of modern day events that she feels strongly about. So good on her.

I can't agree, because far from "saying what she thinks all of the time", a lot of the time she says only what she thinks will score her 'brownie points' with the viewing public. Her OTT 'soliloquies' in the diary room and in the house when she was dramatically harping on about; her "public" was worthy of Shakespeare and ten times as fictitious.

Hopkins is a very quick thinker and if you watch her carefully, you can almost sense that calculating brain behind her eyes, whirring away as she is plotting in a nano-second what she is going to say next, and how she is going to react to a given situation.

Nothing about her is natural and she has no 'reflex' actions, because all is premeditated - hyper quickly I'll allow, but premeditated none the less.

Even the more controversial outbursts which secured her notoriety and fame, were precisely calculated to achieve notoriety and fame, and I do not believe that she genuinely believes even half of what she spouts - which makes her anything but honest in my book.

Yes - there is some truth in a lot of what she says, but that does not mean that she herself is 'truthful', because given her targets; claimants, the unemployed, the uneducated etc; and given her 'scatter gun' methodology, she is as bound to be correct in some of her claims as a monkey endlessly randomly pounding a typewriter is of forming some words.

She is fake, calculating, and abhorrent. Just my opinion.

[poppsywoppsy]

I think you are all taking this far too seriously, she is a columnist, her remarks are her own and used to be used for chip paper before the Internet happened.

There were these Wednesday witches columnists, Lynda someone, Marge Proops and another one.

They would pick on anything happening in the news and give an alternative view to stir up the readership as all publicity is good and people read the papers.

With all Katie's detractors having goes at her, they still will read about her and her opinions, a heavy readership will attract many advertisers to the paper and that is how it works.

Those castigating her are actually helping her to earn her money, if they realised.

[kirklancaster]

the world would be an horrendous place to live if we all did that though. Think before you speak is a good rule to have imo :laugh:

Can you imagine what a violent world it would be if our 'inner mind voices' projected from our heads in a cartoon style 'speech balloon', and others could see what we are actually thinking instead of what we are saying? Imagine being in town and 'Mary' - that 'friend' you try to avoid because she's a scrounger who borrows and never pays back - stops you in the street.

Mary: Speech: "Hi, Niamh, long time no see. How are you doing?

You: Speech: "Oh, hello Mary, Jeez you're looking well. It's nice to see you again."

But Speech Bubbles say:

Mary: Thought: "Oh feck there's that bitch I owe the £10.00 to.

Niamh: Thought: "Oh Jeez, why did I have to run into you, you ugly scrounging bitch. What are you after borrowing now."

Yep, the world would indeed be an horrendous place to live if we all did that - and a violent one. :laugh:

[Josy]

I think you are all taking this far too seriously, she is a columnist, her remarks are her own and used to be used for chip paper before the Internet happened.

There were these Wednesday witches columnists, Lynda someone, Marge Proops and another one.

They would pick on anything happening in the news and give an alternative view to stir up the readership as all publicity is good and people read the papers.

With all Katie's detractors having goes at her, they still will read about her and her opinions, a heavy readership will attract many advertisers to the paper and that is how it works.

Those castigating her are actually helping her to earn her money, if they realised.

I have never liked Katie, I have never and would never read her articles or watch any shows she's doing interviews on etc.

I completely disagree that she should ever be given any platform to air her vile opinions and was very disappointed to find out she was going to be on BB, I was at first think I'm not watching but then thought why should I stop watching something I have been a fan of since day 1 due to that foul woman.

I don't think people take her too seriously in fact I don't think some of the things she says are taken seriously enough, most don't seem to realise just how much affect these horrible opinions can have on the people they are aimed at and btw Katie Hopkins has been trolling since long before she got a column with the sun.

[Kazanne]

And this is why i can never support her. :nono:

But you were one of the first ones in her fan club on here:shrug::laugh:

[-Sue-]

If I said everything I thought I would have been banned by now :joker: Thankfully I am blessed with humour and ability to try 'not' to offend :D But I love banter :D

Katie H really needs to learn humour (of the non-offensive kind) as opposed to hate speeches on anything that pops into her small mind..

[elliebrew]

I have lost count of the times I have noticed people saying 'Katie Hopkins is just speaking the truth' to defend her vile comments both in the house and now it seems her comments out of the house are being defended in the same way.

So my question is, why then is her just 'speaking the truth' always nasty, malicious, horrible and never a nice truth, never does she say something useful, endearing etc and claim it's just the truth?

Also when anyone tells her the truth (as they see it) her face goes pretty flushed because she can't take back what she gives out, but thats another thread.

Opinions

Whenever anyone slates Katie she takes it on the chin and says...'fair enough'

[Josy]

Whenever anyone slates Katie she takes it on the chin and says...'fair enough'



She doesn't take it on the chin at all, her usual reaction is to start insulting people about personal things that are nothing at all to do with the discussion at hand.

[elliebrew]

She doesn't take it on the chin at all, her usual reaction is to start insulting people about personal things that are nothing at all to do with the discussion at hand.

Seriously are you watching the same show.

She invites people to give their opinions on her. Even in the debate task.

[-Sue-]

Seriously are you watching the same show.

She invites people to give their opinions on her. Even in the debate task.

im really tired of hearing people say that...clearly we are:sleep:

Just because one of us has a different opinion that doesn't match yours doesn't mean were not watching it's simply.. we see things a different way

[abhorson]

But you were one of the first ones in her fan club on here:shrug::laugh:

SINGE NOPE BURNT.:laugh:

[Kazanne]

SINGE NOPE BURNT.:laugh:

The truth :smug:

[Josy]

Seriously are you watching the same show.

She invites people to give their opinions on her. Even in the debate task.

Yes I am watching the same show.

Take a look at the most recent vid with her and Keith to see the perfect example of what I mean..

[Kazanne]

Yes I am watching the same show.

Take a look at the most recent vid with her and Keith to see the perfect example of what I mean..

I haven't watched this video yet,but if she's rude are you surprised? If she wasn't we'de all be claiming she is fake,I like Keith a lot he is one of my winners,so if he's found his mouth,good for him for telling her,it doesn't make me dislike her or him any the less,if I took umbrage over everything derogotary said about me I'de have no friends.

[elliebrew]

im really tired of hearing people say that...clearly we are:sleep:

Just because one of us has a different opinion that doesn't match yours doesn't mean were not watching it's simply.. we see things a different way

And I'm getting hella fed up with people saying this.

Theres having your 'opinion'

And theres deliberatly leaving out FACTS to make your opinion the right one.

Im so so shocked at how many people have the rose tinted glasses on this year.

It feels like trolling

[elliebrew]

Yes I am watching the same show.

Take a look at the most recent vid with her and Keith to see the perfect example of what I mean..

The one where she invites him to share his opinion of her? Yer really looks like she cowers away from opinions of her Josy

[Josy]

I haven't watched this video yet,but if she's rude are you surprised? If she wasn't we'de all be claiming she is fake,I like Keith a lot he is one of my winners,so if he's found his mouth,good for him for telling her,it doesn't make me dislike her or him any the less,if I took umbrage over everything derogotary said about me I'de have no friends.

My point to Elliebrew wasn't anything to do with her being rude Kazanne.

It was to point out that she isn't all accepting of others opinions like he suggested, when Keith gave his opinion she went off on a tangent and started attacking him personally.

The one where she invites him to share his opinion of her? Yer really looks like she cowers away from opinions of her Josy

No not that one Elliebrew.

So here we have people actually defending something when they haven't watched the clip LOL which funnily enough is EXACTLY what KH is guilty of in it :laugh3:

[elliebrew]

My point to Elliebrew wasn't anything to do with her being rude Kazanne.

It was to point out that she isn't all accepting of others opinions like he suggested, when Keith gave his opinion she went off on a tangent and started attacking him personally.



No not that one Elliebrew.

So here we have people actually defending something when they haven't watched the clip LOL which funnily enough is EXACTLY what KH is guilty of in it :laugh3:

You just absolutely hate Katie don't you?

You cannot see past her persona online. All the things she said about fat people, layabouts, gingers....all of them hysterical, a lot of them true.

[Josy]

You just absolutely hate Katie don't you?

You cannot see past her persona online. All the things she said about fat people, layabouts, gingers....all of them hysterical, a lot of them true.

Yes I do, I hated her before BB, I hate her in BB and I will hate her after it.

And for none of the comments you quoted although they are all vile and not the slightest bit funny nor true.

This thread however is about Katie, not me so don't attempt to derail it please.

[elliebrew]

Yes I do, I hated her before BB, I hate her in BB and I will hate her after it.

And for none of the comments you quoted although they are all vile and not the slightest bit funny nor true.

This thread however is about Katie, not me so don't attempt to derail it please.

Well if not for any of those reasons I'm curious as to why

[-Sue-]

And I'm getting hella fed up with people saying this.

Theres having your 'opinion'

And theres deliberatly leaving out FACTS to make your opinion the right one.

Im so so shocked at how many people have the rose tinted glasses on this year.

It feels like trolling

I didnt state any facts other than 'I'm really tired of hearing people say that' (in response to your 'are you watching the same show'

As for the rest of what you said I am NOT a troll I simply said (with tact) that we all watch the show and have different opinions.. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean Im right your wrong how could either of us be right or wrong when all i really said was I was tired of hearing 'are you watching and we all have opinions'!:shrug:

[Kazanne]

My point to Elliebrew wasn't anything to do with her being rude Kazanne.

It was to point out that she isn't all accepting of others opinions like he suggested, when Keith gave his opinion she went off on a tangent and started attacking him personally.



No not that one Elliebrew.

So here we have people actually defending something when they haven't watched the clip LOL which funnily enough is EXACTLY what KH is guilty of in it :laugh3:

I stated I hadn't watched the video,I said IF she is being rude,i will watch it later though,so I wasn't defending her just holding an opinion,lol.

[Josy]

Well if not for any of those reasons I'm curious as to why

Well you only posted a couple of quotes. she's said and done a lot more than that to be known as one of the most hated women in Britain.

[Vanessa]

I didnt state any facts other than 'I'm really tired of hearing people say that' (in response to your 'are you watching the same show'

As for the rest of what you said I am NOT a troll I simply said (with tact) that we all watch the show and have different opinions.. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean Im right your wrong how could either of us be right or wrong when all i really said was I was tired of hearing 'are you watching and we all have opinions'!:shrug:

That's right. We all different opinions. That does not make anyone a troll. :clap2: In my opinion Katie does not accept that others may not agree with her. It's her way or the highway.

[DemolitionRed]

You just absolutely hate Katie don't you?

You cannot see past her persona online. All the things she said about fat people, layabouts, gingers....all of them hysterical, a lot of them true.

Unless of course Your fat, ginger or on benefits. I doubt they find her funny. The sort of people who do find that sort of thing hysterical are the same types that love the spectacle created by the Jeremy Kyle show. It makes them feel better about themselves.

[DemolitionRed]

Off topic but just wanted to say, kirklancaster, I love the way you write. You should do it for a living. :)

[Lostie!]

You just absolutely hate Katie don't you?

You cannot see past her persona online. All the things she said about fat people, layabouts, gingers....all of them hysterical, a lot of them true.

I'm proud to say I've never found a single thing that woman said to be "hysterical". But then, my idea of comedy isn't just insulting people for the sake of it. Actually, I think that's one of the weakest forms. :shrug:

I also find there's very little "truth" because she doesn't deal in ration, logic and facts. Her area of expertise is insults, generalising entire categories of people, inciting hatred and perpetuating nasty stereotypes.

[Kazanne]

Unless of course Your fat, ginger or on benefits. I doubt they find her funny. The sort of people who do find that sort of thing hysterical are the same types that love the spectacle created by the Jeremy Kyle show. It makes them feel better about themselves.

You could be right,I LOVE the JK show,I'm sooooooooooooooo bad:laugh: another person who calls people out,funny how that hurts isn't it?

[elliebrew]

I'm proud to say I've never found a single thing that woman said to be "hysterical". But then, my idea of comedy isn't just insulting people for the sake of it. Actually, I think that's one of the weakest forms. :shrug:

I also find there's very little "truth" because she doesn't deal in ration, logic and facts. Her area of expertise is insults, generalising entire categories of people, inciting hatred and perpetuating nasty stereotypes.

Round of applause your better than me because you don't find her funny.

seriously Hopkins deals rationally and bluntly.

A lot of people don't like blunt

[Niamh.]

Yes I do, I hated her before BB, I hate her in BB and I will hate her after it.

And for none of the comments you quoted although they are all vile and not the slightest bit funny nor true.

This thread however is about Katie, not me so don't attempt to derail it please.

Amen to that

[sampvt]

Well you only posted a couple of quotes. she's said and done a lot more than that to be known as one of the most hated women in Britain.

Right, enough you two. Ive heard enough and if you don't behave I will infract you both, :cheer2:

[sampvt]

Amen to that

You as well, be warned, lol

[Lostie!]

Round of applause your better than me because you don't find her funny.

seriously Hopkins deals rationally and bluntly.

A lot of people don't like blunt

"Rationally" is the utter opposite of Hopkins' rants. I'm honestly bemused how anyone could apply that word to her and believe it themselves.

I don't mind blunt. I don't like cruel and small-minded. There's a difference.

[Niamh.]

You as well, be warned, lol

http://lizboltzranfeld.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/skeptical-gif.gif

[elliebrew]

"Rationally" is the utter opposite of Hopkins' rants. I'm honestly bemused how anyone could apply that word to her and believe it themselves.

I don't mind blunt. I don't like cruel and small-minded. There's a difference.

example of her non rationality, cruelty and small-mindedness please? I can think of none

[jennyjuniper]

Sometimes I agree with what Katy H says, wholeheartedly and other times I don't. But shge does make a refreshing change from the politically correct society that has got worse and worse over the years. Sometimes things NEED to be said and to hell with the PC brigade.

[Lostie!]

example of her non rationality, cruelty and small-mindedness please? I can think of none

Some examples:

Mocking a seriously ill ebola patient and trying to kick up a panic about her being an "ebola bomb"? I fail to see any rationality there, yet I see plenty of cruelty. I know I'd be horrified if a loved one of mine was diagnosed with a highly deadly virus and saw them being made the subject of nasty jokes online.

Making jokes about the Glasgow helicopter crash? Seems pretty cruel to me.

Casually calling for more bombing of Palestine without even acknowledging the innocents caught up in these conflicts? Again, not at all rational and very cruel.

Stereotyping people of certain names / the overweight / the unemployed as all sharing the same, negative traits? No rationality here and no actual logic but a prime example of a tiny, nasty mind.

[Kazanne]

Sometimes I agree with what Katy H says, wholeheartedly and other times I don't. But shge does make a refreshing change from the politically correct society that has got worse and worse over the years. Sometimes things NEED to be said and to hell with the PC brigade.

:clap1::clap1::clap1::cheer::cheer:

[Jack The Cat]

Sometimes I agree with what Katy H says, wholeheartedly and other times I don't. But shge does make a refreshing change from the politically correct society that has got worse and worse over the years. Sometimes things NEED to be said and to hell with the PC brigade.

Totally agree, one of the main reasons I like her.

[Jack The Cat]

Some examples:

Mocking a seriously ill ebola patient and trying to kick up a panic about her being an "ebola bomb"? I fail to see any rationality there, yet I see plenty of cruelty. I know I'd be horrified if a loved one of mine was diagnosed with a highly deadly virus and saw them being made the subject of nasty jokes online.

Making jokes about the Glasgow helicopter crash? Seems pretty cruel to me.

Casually calling for more bombing of Palestine without even acknowledging the innocents caught up in these conflicts? Again, not at all rational and very cruel.

Stereotyping people of certain names / the overweight / the unemployed as all sharing the same, negative traits? No rationality here and no actual logic but a prime example of a tiny, nasty mind.

But do you have any examples of bad things she has done?

[Lostie!]

But do you have any examples of bad things she has done?

We were discussing her comments. I was asked to provide examples of her comments being nasty, small-minded and irrational. I did that.

And making horrid comments like that is doing something bad as far as I'm concerned. Words can be harmful.

[Kizzy]

Sometimes I agree with what Katy H says, wholeheartedly and other times I don't. But shge does make a refreshing change from the politically correct society that has got worse and worse over the years. Sometimes things NEED to be said and to hell with the PC brigade.

I agree, it's all a bit double standards too, the furore around her twwet about kelly for instance... she had surgery abroad, it carries risks it was her choice to have it at her age too. Where is the sympathy for katie Ps post surgery issues?
There was on here mocking of Katie Ps ex Alex too, why is it ok to mock his face but not kellys?
I also agree KH is a lot like jeremy kyle in her opinions but he doesn't get as much of a backlash.

[Jack The Cat]

We were discussing her comments. I was asked to provide examples of her comments being nasty, small-minded and irrational. I did that.

And making horrid comments like that is doing something bad as far as I'm concerned. Words can be harmful.

Fair enough, guess we will disagree then.

[elliebrew]

Some examples:

Mocking a seriously ill ebola patient and trying to kick up a panic about her being an "ebola bomb"? I fail to see any rationality there, yet I see plenty of cruelty. I know I'd be horrified if a loved one of mine was diagnosed with a highly deadly virus and saw them being made the subject of nasty jokes online.

Making jokes about the Glasgow helicopter crash? Seems pretty cruel to me.

Casually calling for more bombing of Palestine without even acknowledging the innocents caught up in these conflicts? Again, not at all rational and very cruel.

Stereotyping people of certain names / the overweight / the unemployed as all sharing the same, negative traits? No rationality here and no actual logic but a prime example of a tiny, nasty mind.

NONE of which happened in the house.

NONE of it matters in the show, so why judge her on this.

You all advocate not judging people on there outside persona/reputation.

Many of you INSIST that its nothing to do with why you don't like her. Then you deliver this.

neext...

[Lostie!]

NONE of which happened in the house.

NONE of it matters in the show, so why judge her on this.

You all advocate not judging people on there outside persona/reputation.

Many of you INSIST that its nothing to do with why you don't like her. Then you deliver this.

neext...

:conf:

Um, you asked me to provide examples of her comments that were nasty, small-minded and irrational. I did that. You asked me to bring them up, you can't have a go now I have. :laugh2:

And I never claimed to not judge her on her pre-BB behaviour, I'm very open about that. I also think she's a nasty bitch in the house too, though.

And as far as I'm concerned, it absolutely matters. For starters, she's in there because of the comments, so they must be relevant. Secondly, it all adds to the sort of person she is. You don't magically become someone else when you walk through the BB doors.

[kirklancaster]

Off topic but just wanted to say, kirklancaster, I love the way you write. You should do it for a living. :)

Thank you Demo, but I think you're in a minority on here.:laugh: The feeling's mutual anyway - genuinely - even if we don't always agree. :hehe: I do write and have sold a few shorts and articles, and I'm 1/3rd of the way through a novel I'm writing, but it should have been completed by now (getting distracted too much). Take care. :wavey:

[Jules2]

I stated I hadn't watched the video,I said IF she is being rude,i will watch it later though,so I wasn't defending her just holding an opinion,lol.

If it is the one I am thinking of, I havent read all the posts yet, there was a discussion in the kitchen and I think they were talking about Kav. Katie walked out because she didnt like what she thought was being said, Keith followed her and demanded to know what was wrong with her....it went on from there. Possibly he should have just let her have her quiet moment. Maybe we will see more tonight. As she said she was sticking up for Kav and fed up with him being decried?

I have no doubt it all stemmed from last nights episode. :wavey:

[Jules2]

My point to Elliebrew wasn't anything to do with her being rude Kazanne.

It was to point out that she isn't all accepting of others opinions like he suggested, when Keith gave his opinion she went off on a tangent and started attacking him personally.



No not that one Elliebrew.

So here we have people actually defending something when they haven't watched the clip LOL which funnily enough is EXACTLY what KH is guilty of in it :laugh3:

The bit I saw she didnt attack Keith personally, she walked out of the room, did I miss something? (serious question).

[Jules2]

I don't see her like that at all and am quite amazed at all the vile names she is called as well.

Do others when they call her these names, realise that they are emulating the very same things which they castigate her for.

She has said harsh things about societies benefits scroungers and no one can say it isn't true because it has been proved there are many lazy and fraudulent people who are.

I don't agree with her on the children's names or peoples hair colourings and wish she wouldn't write things like this. She deserves criticism and by goodness she certainly gets it in spades.

I have heard her being nice, but I have also heard her say she doesn't like compliments back. There must have been something in her past which has formed her opinions like this. Overall in the house, she hasn't been nasty to many, just Perez. I feel Nadia has been nastier towards Katie than the other way around.

Yes, she does talk about others but they all do. It was quite obvious when Nadia after calling Katie two faced and talking behind peoples backs, went on to do exactly the same with Perez.

Katie has been the salvation of the house because we would just have the Perez Show all the time. She has fought her corner well, giving Perez little rope and shoving it back in his face when he goes over the top.

Have you thought, Perez may just be the start, there are many copy cat BB housemates chosen and he just might have started a trend of being aggravating and annoying for the future.

For the first time ever I have read KH's piece in the paper, I have to say that I am very impressed with it. She doesnt exactly praise herself and there is a sense of humour in it all.

She has empathy for KP and had a shower with her to wash her hair and to help her because KP cannot hold her left arm up.

She mentioned Michelles certainty that she is going to win, she spoke of the difference between the Brits and the Americans, the Americans having a more positive attitude than the Brits. There is a lovely picture of Michelle on the same page.

The D.Star is full of the fact that if Perez goes tonight he will be questioned by the police. There is a description of what exactly he did, wow and they put Ken and Jeremy out. They really ought to wind the clock back and get their facts right. They confirm that KH has not as yet made an accusation.

I think I may buy the Sun again just to read her columns, they are well put and well thought out with sense, honesty and humour.

[elliebrew]

:conf:

Um, you asked me to provide examples of her comments that were nasty, small-minded and irrational. I did that. You asked me to bring them up, you can't have a go now I have. :laugh2:

And I never claimed to not judge her on her pre-BB behaviour, I'm very open about that. I also think she's a nasty bitch in the house too, though.

And as far as I'm concerned, it absolutely matters. For starters, she's in there because of the comments, so they must be relevant. Secondly, it all adds to the sort of person she is. You don't magically become someone else when you walk through the BB doors.

I asked you provide samples of that behaviour in the house!

[Kazanne]

For the first time ever I have read KH's piece in the paper, I have to say that I am very impressed with it. She doesnt exactly praise herself and there is a sense of humour in it all.

She has empathy for KP and had a shower with her to wash her hair and to help her because KP cannot hold her left arm up.

She mentioned Michelles certainty that she is going to win, she spoke of the difference between the Brits and the Americans, the Americans having a more positive attitude than the Brits. There is a lovely picture of Michelle on the same page.

The D.Star is full of the fact that if Perez goes tonight he will be questioned by the police. There is a description of what exactly he did, wow and they put Ken and Jeremy out. They really ought to wind the clock back and get their facts right. They confirm that KH has not as yet made an accusation.

I think I may buy the Sun again just to read her columns, they are well put and well thought out with sense, honesty and humour.

:clap1::clap1:In a nutshell Jules.

[joeysteele]

Some examples:

Mocking a seriously ill ebola patient and trying to kick up a panic about her being an "ebola bomb"? I fail to see any rationality there, yet I see plenty of cruelty. I know I'd be horrified if a loved one of mine was diagnosed with a highly deadly virus and saw them being made the subject of nasty jokes online.

Making jokes about the Glasgow helicopter crash? Seems pretty cruel to me.

Casually calling for more bombing of Palestine without even acknowledging the innocents caught up in these conflicts? Again, not at all rational and very cruel.

Stereotyping people of certain names / the overweight / the unemployed as all sharing the same, negative traits? No rationality here and no actual logic but a prime example of a tiny, nasty mind.

Well said, a good,accurate and strong post.

[Jules2]

Absolutely and those truths are rightly coupled with our moral/core values. If Katie Hopkins moral values are the same as her utterances regarding, lets say ginger haired people, her morals are very shallow. If she's joking and really does have some empathy with those whom she mocks, then its not truth.

Fortunately there aren't many people who use what's called the "harm principle" when talking to or about a person or we would be seeing public lynching on a mass scale.

We are still at the door of what is the right moral? Do we speak the truth or do we patronise. We all have our own thoughts KH is in the limelight of newspapres columns and earning a living.

I am sure that if she was faced with someone of ginger hair or someone who is rather plump she would look at their morals and their capacity to meld. Who was that lovely chap who was on BOTS the other day, cant think of his
name for a moment, he is plump and he idolises her says she is a lot of fun.

At the end of the day I would rather look at someone in the house and judge them by their actions than take in all the rubbish they have accumulated in their life outside. I know we all do it at times, I have been guilty of the same thing but we really ought to give them the benefit of the doubt and thank them for entertaining us. As we know it is a game show and that is what they are in there for.

[Kazanne]

I don't see her like that at all and am quite amazed at all the vile names she is called as well.

Do others when they call her these names, realise that they are emulating the very same things which they castigate her for.

She has said harsh things about societies benefits scroungers and no one can say it isn't true because it has been proved there are many lazy and fraudulent people who are.

I don't agree with her on the children's names or peoples hair colourings and wish she wouldn't write things like this. She deserves criticism and by goodness she certainly gets it in spades.

I have heard her being nice, but I have also heard her say she doesn't like compliments back. There must have been something in her past which has formed her opinions like this. Overall in the house, she hasn't been nasty to many, just Perez. I feel Nadia has been nastier towards Katie than the other way around.

Yes, she does talk about others but they all do. It was quite obvious when Nadia after calling Katie two faced and talking behind peoples backs, went on to do exactly the same with Perez.

Katie has been the salvation of the house because we would just have the Perez Show all the time. She has fought her corner well, giving Perez little rope and shoving it back in his face when he goes over the top.

Have you thought, Perez may just be the start, there are many copy cat BB housemates chosen and he just might have started a trend of being aggravating and annoying for the future.

Great post Poppsy:hug::clap1:

[Kazanne]

We are still at the door of what is the right moral? Do we speak the truth or do we patronise. We all have our own thoughts KH is in the limelight of newspapres columns and earning a living.

I am sure that if she was faced with someone of ginger hair or someone who is rather plump she would look at their morals and their capacity to meld. Who was that lovely chap who was on BOTS the other day, cant think of his
name for a moment, he is plump and he idolises her says she is a lot of fun.

At the end of the day I would rather look at someone in the house and judge them by their actions than take in all the rubbish they have accumulated in their life outside. I know we all do it at times, I have been guilty of the same thing but we really ought to give them the benefit of the doubt and thank them for entertaining us. As we know it is a game show and that is what they are in there for.

Christopher Biggins loves KH,that's who it was Jules,funny I was thinking about that today.

[Lostie!]

I asked you provide samples of that behaviour in the house!

Actually, you didn't specify "in the house" at all.

[elliebrew]

Actually, you didn't specify "in the house" at all.

Well now here's your chance

Examples if that behaviour in the house

[DemolitionRed]

You could be right,I LOVE the JK show,I'm sooooooooooooooo bad:laugh: another person who calls people out,funny how that hurts isn't it?

That show is built around creating a spectacle of damaged and fragmented lives. Its more like a witchcraft trial. I've already talked about my thoughts on JK, so I'll say no more.

http://readbetween.co.uk/go/the-shocking-world-of-daytime-television/

[Kazanne]

That show is built around creating a spectacle of damaged and fragmented lives. Its more like a witchcraft trial. I've already talked about my thoughts on JK, so I'll say no more.

http://readbetween.co.uk/go/the-shocking-world-of-daytime-television/

He calls out ,errant fathers, dole dossers , liars ,thieves and lowlifes , people have the choice to ring up and go on the show , their decision not his , fair play to him I say.

[DemolitionRed]

Sometimes I agree with what Katy H says, wholeheartedly and other times I don't. But shge does make a refreshing change from the politically correct society that has got worse and worse over the years. Sometimes things NEED to be said and to hell with the PC brigade.

She's no different to the people that leave long winded ‘troll’ comments at the bottom of Daily Mail articles. Lots of people troll on the internet, what makes her different to them apart from her making money at it ?

[DemolitionRed]

He calls out ,errant fathers, dole dossers , liars ,thieves and lowlifes , people have the choice to ring up and go on the show , their decision not his , fair play to him I say.

Well all I can say is, I hope he makes you feel good about yourself!

[Kizzy]

Well all I can say is, I hope he makes you feel good about yourself!

That's a strange thing to say.. How can Mr Kyle make anyone feel anyway about themselves?

[DemolitionRed]

That's a strange thing to say.. How can Mr Kyle make anyone feel anyway about themselves?

Thanks for the correction. What I should of said is, I hope all those damaged, often intellectually challenged and sometimes mentally ill people make him feel good about himself.

[sarah2020]

As she said she isnt in there to make friends and thinks she will win it. She is just made that way to only see things from her point of view and god help anyone who disagrees. She probably believes she is not too faced even though we (her British public:omg::yuk:) can clearly see she is.

[Vanessa]

As she said she isnt in there to make friends and thinks she will win it. She is just made that way to only see things from her point of view and god help anyone who disagrees. She probably believes she is not too faced even though we (her British public:omg::yuk:) can clearly see she is.

She's in it to win it, that's why she always sucks up to the public. Perez is the opposite. He's already rich, so does not care and does not need the money. :spin:

[Ridge]

"Rationally" is the utter opposite of Hopkins' rants. I'm honestly bemused how anyone could apply that word to her and believe it themselves.

I don't mind blunt. I don't like cruel and small-minded. There's a difference.

The old saying. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me" Biggins on CBBBOTS. Who by the way regards KH as a close friend, said KH is actually a generous kind funny person. He said her media persona is an act. She has a family to feed. Controversy sells and attracts attention, Which proves by this. hread.:hehe:

Drawn in just like a fish. HOOK, LINE AND SINKER :cheer2:

[Miranda123]

Urgh! I hate her so much that in the final i will pile up the vote for anyone who is with her. Anyone! Even Callum. :fist:

Im glad youre starting to become a Calum fan Vanessa lol

[sarah2020]

She's in it to win it, that's why she always sucks up to the public. Perez is the opposite. He's already rich, so does not care and does not need the money. :spin:

I just hope that Britain can see her game, but i do love watching her go at it with perez and he does give her a run for her money. Just arks me when people cheer giving her impression that her adoring public love her..but then she could become over confident and **** it up. Thats the beauty of BB you never know what turn it will take.

[Kizzy]

Thanks for the correction. What I should of said is, I hope all those damaged, often intellectually challenged and sometimes mentally ill people make him feel good about himself.

Well, JK has sure done a number on you, the intellectually challenged and mentally ill used to simply be called people.
He is appealing to those who like to categorise into sub groups.

[Lostie!]

Well now here's your chance

Examples if that behaviour in the house

I don't need a "chance" to do anything, thanks. Katie is being careful to get the public on side in the house, as seen with her nauseating "I love the public" display. Not that her nasty self doesn't slip out now and again (a video posted today of her pulling faces as soon as Keith speaks, and then insulting him before storming off, for example).

The old saying. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me" Biggins on CBBBOTS. Who by the way regards KH as a close friend, said KH is actually a generous kind funny person. He said her media persona is an act. She has a family to so, Controversy sells and attracts attention, Which proves by this. hread.:hehe:

Just like fish. HOOK, LINE AND SINKER :cheer2:

I don't care what Biggins says, and I don't care if it's a "media persona". The things she says a no less awful because they're part of an "act" (though I still don't believe they are, and nothing her "friends" say will change that).

And so what if she "has a family?" Plenty of nasty people do. What's your point?

And we're discussing all of the housemates, are we not? Are we supposed to not discuss any negative traits of KH, or risk being mocked for it? :conf:

I've fallen for nothing "hook, line and sinker". This is a BB forum where we discuss the housemates, one of which is Katie Hopkins. It's really as simple as that.

[elliebrew]

I don't need a "chance" to do anything, thanks. Katie is being careful to get the public on side in the house, as seen with her nauseating "I love the public" display. Not that her nasty self doesn't slip out now and again (a video posted today of her pulling faces as soon as Keith speaks, and then insulting him before storming off, for example).



I don't care what Biggins says, and I don't care if it's a "media persona". The things she says a no less awful because they're part of an "act" (though I still don't believe they are, and nothing her "friends" say will change that).

And so what if she "has a family?" Plenty of nasty people do. What's your point?

And we're discussing all of the housemates, are we not? Are we supposed to not discuss any negative traits of KH, or risk being mocked for it? :conf:

I've fallen for nothing "hook, line and sinker". This is a BB forum where we discuss the housemates, one of which is Katie Hopkins. It's really as simple as that.

So cannot back up your argument with proof.

[Vanessa]

I just hope that Britain can see her game, but i do love watching her go at it with perez and he does give her a run for her money. Just arks me when people cheer giving her impression that her adoring public love her..but then she could become over confident and **** it up. Thats the beauty of BB you never know what turn it will take.

She won't win anyway. Katie Price will. they didn't pay her the highest fee for nothing. next week twist is all about her and will get her a lot of votes.

[Lostie!]

So cannot back up your argument with proof.

I already "backed up my argument with proof", considering I was specifically referring to her pre-BB rants anyway. You only decided that we were discussing KH in the house only afterwards. :laugh2:

Her twitter rants are proof of the type of person she is. The fact that she bites her tongue a little bit more in the CBB house changes nothing about that (not that I think she's been an unfailingly nice person in the house, because she most definitely has not). :)

[sarah2020]

The old saying. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me" Biggins on CBBBOTS. Who by the way regards KH as a close friend, said KH is actually a generous kind funny person. He said her media persona is an act. She has a family to feed. Controversy sells and attracts attention, Which proves by this. hread.:hehe:

Drawn in just like a fish. HOOK, LINE AND SINKER :cheer2:

ooh i dont know about that, I think she is naturally mean like that but she does have a good side and im sure friends and people she does admire would find her lovely. Either way she is entertaining to watch but we should we really back her to win? I say no because not everyone can handle sticks and stones and for many it can cause serious hurt and insecurity. She has hurt many with her words and a real lovely person would rather be poor than say and act the way she does for money.

[Johnnyuk123]

Maybe look into your siggie a bit more Josy,he seems to have sussed it:hehe: but there and loads and loads of suck arses for us to love,we need people who are not scared to be hated by just giving an opinion,I like her for that,she may be scathing and sounds sometimes cruel,but,she's certainly brave in my book,it would be so simple for her to go along with the flow.

I agree 100% with this.

Also the truth often hurts. All credit to Katie Hopkins for not being a sheep i say! :dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

[Deebo]

There is no truth and no integrity to Hopkins in the house or her fake character. That's why she's routinely taken apart by the likes of Peaches Geldof and Katie Price

She peddles an extremist neocon agenda, because she's paid to by Rupert Murdoch, but she's barely politically literate enough to have researched and studied enough to give her tweets, rants and diatribes any element of "truth" whatsoever

She speaks the "truth" like Alf Garnett spoke the "truth"

[Northern Monkey]

Why do we need people to speak our opinion? We are well capable of speaking our own opinions.

But honestly the point of my OP wasn't for people to explain why they like Katie Hopkins again, it was asking if she's only 'speaking the truth' why are none of those truths ever nice, or not even nice but just not nasty?

Because she does'nt want to be seen as a 'nice' person.I think quietly she's nicer than she tries to portray.

[Robodog]

On one hand she peddles this OTT 'thorn-in-the-side of the PC brigade' persona that drops all manner of clangers about people being 'too fat', 'too ginger' etc etc.

On the other hand, it seems that lots of people are saying 'she is actually really nice and funny'.

Who is she really? Maybe she is a bit of both?

Either way, even if she really is as bad as she sometimes makes out, then i would still defend her (and everyone's) right to offend me, or to be as offensive as they want to be.

Freedom of speech means the right to express opinions, even if they do offend others. Look at the countries or the regimes that take away that right. Do you want to live like that?

For all her faults, that is the appeal of Katie Hopkins; she doesn't bow down and surrender her right to express unpopular opinions, just because the media etc says 'that's what we should do'. Lots of people (including her) talk a lot of sh-t, but i would never want to have their right to talk sh-t taken away or we are all up sh-t creek.

Je Suis Charlie and all that.

[Lstan]

I have lost count of the times I have noticed people saying 'Katie Hopkins is just speaking the truth' to defend her vile comments both in the house and now it seems her comments out of the house are being defended in the same way.

So my question is, why then is her just 'speaking the truth' always nasty, malicious, horrible and never a nice truth, never does she say something useful, endearing etc and claim it's just the truth?

Also when anyone tells her the truth (as they see it) her face goes pretty flushed because she can't take back what she gives out, but thats another thread.

Opinions

I have always heard her say she speaks opinions and not truth and thats beause a lot of what she says is ill informed and incorrect. she may speak stuff that a lot of people agree with but that does not equal truth. anyone who thinks she speaks "truth" because she says what they think is a full of **** as she is (and there's your harsh opinion for those who love that)