Calum vs Perez

[MTVN]

So one thread is titled "So embarrassing for Calum", the other is titled "Calum destroying Perez"..

Sounds like a poll is in order

[Ninastar]

crack on then

[MTVN]

crack on then

Sorry was that 20 second wait too intolerable for you :idc:

[Jake.]

Calum hands down. Perez, much like the woman he despises so much, was being a dick for the sake of being a dick.

[Daniel-X]

Perez he's fabulous he doesn't rise just gets under people's skin Calum embarrassed himself screaming like a banshee using the c word and calling him a power-tripper :hehe:

[Amy Jade]

Calum.

Perez was awful yet again and Calum put him right in his place.

[Kazanne]

Calum,said everything I'de like to and then some.

[bots]

perez hands down , he was trolling, but he succeeded in making calum lose it, which was his plan

[smudgie]

Well, in as much as Perez was just being his 'normal' self and that Calum totally lost it, I would say Perez came out a tad on top there.

If his plan was to goad Calum and make him lose his temper, he succeeded.

[joeysteele]

I've surprised myself and voted for Perez.
Perez was just being the usual Perez,however Calum started to show a bit of aggression which during his time with Cami, has been rather hidden.

He keeps saying he doesn't want to lose his temper,which left me wondering what would he be really like if he did.

Perez pushes and pushes but they always bite, they never just walk away.
So for me, I found myself willing Perez to go on a bit more,even though I like Calum but he has been rather a disappointment overall in this series.

Kavana really annoyed me, following Calum around almost stuck to him like limpet.

[Jamesy]

Calum

Perez was doing his usual thing of arguing with no depth. Calum made valid points and backed them up. Perez just sounded like a broken record. He clearly lacks any skills to argue constructively.

[thinkingoutloud]

Calum was amazing just now in this episode. I suspect he'll end up winning as he's the 'nicer' vote against Perez (as opposed to Katie Hopkins) and he always puts his point across well.

[LukeB]

Calum

[Ninastar]

I vote Calum. I actually shouted 'yaaas' and clapped when he said everything he did, lmao. I bloody wish Michelle and the others had clapped too. It would have made it even more awkward.

Calum was 100% bang on. He left Perez in such a mess that he had to pretend he was interested in food. Just brilliant. One of the best moments of the series. Michelle clocking him too was also good. I just love how he gives up, knowing fine that he's wrong.

[Kazanne]

I've surprised myself and voted for Perez.
Perez was just being the usual Perez,however Calum started to show a bit of aggression which during his time with Cami, has been rather hidden.

He keepss aying he doesn't want to lose his temper,which left me wondering what would he be really like if he did.

Perez pushes and pushes but they always bite, they never just walk away.
So for me, I found myself willing Perez to go on a bit more,een though I like Calum but he has been rather a disappointment overall in this series.

Kavana really annoyed me, following Calum around almost stuck to him like limpet.

Everyone loses their temper if pushed hard enough Joey,and he was pushed tonight,I'm glad I am not in there,I wouldn't have held back.

[dak2v]

Calum didn't put anyone in their place did you see Perez getting excited? NO but we all saw Calum getting really animated because Perez played with him yet again

[mazerunner_888]

We have not seen full story. Don't forget Calum called Perez a dick for no reason plus Calum is faking it to win it. Perez saw this and called him out on it. Calum wants to remain on his fake nice guy mode which Perez showed to be fake. That's why he kept using the C word which is sexist.

[joeysteele]

Everyone loses their temper if pushed hard enough Joey,and he was pushed tonight,I'm glad I am not in there,I wouldn't have held back.

Hi Kazanne :wavey:

:joker:You and I are poles apart this series Kazanne but I would be blowing my top in there too like you would but I would be letting fly at someone else.

This has to be at the very least one of the worst ever houses.

What actually amazes me however, (although I admit and concede they are living in there 24 hours a day with each other), is they must now all know what Perez is like,what he is going to do and they always bite, they always react.
I just don't get that.

BB and the house do strange things to people,I would be driven crazy in there for sure.

[susie q]

Actually rather strangely in amongst all the shouting I thought they both made some valid points.
Calum standing up for keith when Katie H trying to blame keith for Camis eviction, he seemed to be the only one who realised that its the viewers who decide who goes, or words to that effect and that Keith was just expressing his thoughts.
Perez pointed out that Katie H is also a game player. He also took issue with Michelle for her continued assertion that she is speaking up for the gay community. Im fed up with that one to. The two gay people they have in the house seem quite capable of speaking for themselves. Anyway because I picked up on 2 points from Perez I voted for him.

[Niamh.]

Perez

[Angelika]

Perez was articulate and measured and made sense.

[erinp5]

Perez, Calum lost the argument when he lost his temper and could only swear .Perez pushed his buttons just the same as Hopkins pushed Keith ...and Calum found that funny ...odd that.

[joeysteele]

Perez, Calum lost the argument when he lost his temper and could only swear .Perez pushed his buttons just the same as Hopkins pushed Keith ...and Calum found that funny ...odd that.

Very good point that,well said.

[Lolly1210]

Perez won hands down. Callum resorted to using the C words several times. Checkmate, game set and match. The art of winning an argument is self control.

[mizzy25]

Calum and I think after tonight he could well be in the final. So thanks for that one Perez

[Stormy]

We have not seen full story. Don't forget Calum called Perez a dick for no reason plus Calum is faking it to win it. Perez saw this and called him out on it. Calum wants to remain on his fake nice guy mode which Perez showed to be fake. That's why he kept using the C word which is sexist.

You're absolutely right...we have not seen the full story. CBB never shows us everything....however...after all this time everyone can see that Calum does not instigate or goad. In fact he's been much "too chill" which is why some posters complain about him. It's taken A LOT of days and effort (by Perez) for him to finally go off on Perez.

Calum has given no indication, in all these days, that he would EVER call Perez a dick for no reason. Can't believe you would even suggest that Calum would do that for no reason. Incredible.

[Lolly1210]

Anyone who thinks Callum won doesn't have the first clue about arguing. To win an argument you have to stay in control and make your opponent lose it.

[Vanessa]

Anyone who thinks Callum won doesn't have the first clue about arguing. To win an argument you have to stay in control and make your opponent lose it.

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[Stormy]

Anyone who thinks Callum won doesn't have the first clue about arguing. To win an argument you have to stay in control and make your opponent lose it.

Yes...losing control is a part of it...and they both argued with raised voices but neither Calum nor Perez lost control. It may seem to you that Calum lost control because he does not usually get into heated arguments. If Calum lost control, he would have been kicked out immediately as he would have hit Perez.

The most important part of winning an argument is making points and having substance. Both of which Calum had, in spades. Perez did not.

[Samm]

Calum

[Samm]

Anyone who thinks Callum won doesn't have the first clue about arguing. To win an argument you have to stay in control and make your opponent lose it.

Perez didn't stay in contol he repeated words and perez didn't win the argument either

Fact incorrect gurl bye

[MTVN]

Yes...losing control is a part of it...and they both argued with raised voices but neither Calum nor Perez lost control. It may seem to you that Calum lost control because he does not usually get into heated arguments. If Calum lost control, he would have been kicked out immediately as he would have hit Perez.

The most important part of winning an argument is making points and having substance. Both of which Calum had, in spades. Perez did not.

Exactly, if he had really lost control he would probably either have got violent or if he would at least have been stumbling over his words, not being able to articulate himself etc. What he was saying was coherent and made complete sense, he's obviously someone who would rather not go off on one like that but Perez pushed it too far and he rose to the challenge comfortably

[Lolly1210]

I know some of you are blinded by your hate of Perez, but if you call someone a c""t several times and you have to be moved away from their vicinity that means you've lost control. Even Calum admitted in the programne several times that he was annoyed with himself for not keeping his proverbials together. Perez won. Story done.

[Lolly1210]

Calum didn't make any salient points. He was just stated the obvious and was enraged that Perez didn't like him.

[erinp5]

Calum saying he is Mr Cool ,likes to keep his life private is a joke .He sold stories a few years back and he calls himself a reality star ,he knows what the score is .


A glamour model who became pregnant with Calum Best’s child, had “an arrangement” with the News of the World to meet celebrities in nightclubs and pass on gossip to the paper, a court heard.


Lorna Hogan said she worked for the Supermodels Agency, which arranged for her to attend nightclubs and bars where celebrities frequented.


In 2005 she met Mr Best, 32, the son of legendary footballer George, and the pair began a brief relationship, which resulted in her falling pregnant and giving birth to a daughter.


Miss Hogan said at the time she was regularly passing information about showbusiness personalities she met to a News of the World journalist called Chris Tate.


She said: “My arrangement was if I was to meet any celebrities it was to get any gossip and to sell it to the newspaper.”





She went on: “I met Calum on numerous occasions over a couple of years and me and Calum Best got together for a short time and I fell pregnant and had a daughter to him.”

Miss Hogan said in 2005 after she became pregnant she was invited to London to meet with Ian Edmondson, the News of the World’s head of news.

She told the court: “I met Ian Edmondson, we had lunch and he put a lot of pressure on me to sell my story and sell the scan picture of my daughter.

At he time they wanted to know what the sex was and they told me not to talk to anyone else.”

Miss Hogan said she did give the News of the World a scan picture of the baby, but said she never received any money for it.

The News of the World later ran a story with the headline: “Best’s First Grandchild.”

After the baby was born she severed ties with the News of the World and began dealing with the Mirror.

Earlier, Calum Best told the court he sold stories to the News of the World about a nightclub liaison with Elizabeth Jagger.

The former model admitted he received £2,000 from the former Sunday tabloid, which published a story about the romp entitled, Calum Confesses.

Mr Best, 32, described himself as a "television personality" who had appeared in programmes such as "Celebrity Love Island".

He admitted that stories in the press about his private life "came with the territory".

He also admitted accepting £3,000 from the paper in December 2005 for a series of interviews he provided about the death of his father.

The jury in the phone hacking trial were told that Mr Best's voicemails were intercepted by Glenn Mulcaire who worked for the News of the World in 2005 and 2006.

Mr Best admitted he and his agents sometimes provided information to journalists on the paper in return for money.

But he denied he had received cash for a story headlined: "Calum: How Dad Drove Me To Drugs."

He said: "That came from a friend of Alex Best, who was my dad's wife."

He added: "It was me saying it to someone who then went on to give it to the newspaper without my approval."

[rusticgal]

Perez he's fabulous he doesn't rise just gets under people's skin Calum embarrassed himself screaming like a banshee using the c word and calling him a power-tripper :hehe:


How does that fare with the vile things Perez has said... Calling someone a **** and a power tripper is nothing in comparison...get real.

[Stormy]

How does that fare with the vile things Perez has said... Calling someone a **** and a power tripper is nothing in comparison...get real.

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[bots]

How does that fare with the vile things Perez has said... Calling someone a **** and a power tripper is nothing in comparison...get real.

In the context of this specific argument though, Perez trolled him, Calum bit and lost his cool, Perez didn't say anything outrageous, only that he didn't like him. I really dislike Perez, but he knows how to troll and Calum fell for it

[erinp5]

Calum didn't make any salient points. He was just stated the obvious and was enraged that Perez didn't like him.

and Perez telling him that the Hms don't know much about him!! But Calum claims that's because he is Mr Laidback and private ...since when? .Calum is a professional reality star, and he didn't mind selling stories in the past for cash .

[Kazanne]

Anyone who thinks Callum won doesn't have the first clue about arguing. To win an argument you have to stay in control and make your opponent lose it.

And there is also the fact that it takes a man to walk away,you cant win an argument against a petulant child.

[Lolly1210]

If you can't even win an argument against a child...well.

[bots]

And there is also the fact that it takes a man to walk away,you cant win an argument against a petulant child.

i think they have all shown that they are not very good at human interaction. Perez is a troll that should be silenced by reasoned argument, and not falling for his baiting. None of them seem to have the capacity to handle him.

[abhorson]

Great to see the poll tally for Calum.