Katie Hopkins, does she have an issue with Americans?

[Daniel.]

She always adds that Perez is an american :eyes:

It's so unnecessary

[Liam-]

Just the horrible ones.

[Jack The Cat]

Just ones that are twats.

[abhorson]

I don't but a lot of the UK does.. She wins with that alone.

[Daniel.]

But it's unnecessary to add that he's American. Imagine if she had a go at a Asian person and added "he's also Asian" **** would go down

[MB.]

Just the horrible ones.

Just ones that are twats.

In which case she'd just call Perez horrible/a twat and leave out the 'American' comments. :umm2:

[the truth]

its racism its discrimination its ignorant its nasty its bully hopkins

[Crimson Dynamo]

But it's unnecessary to add that he's American. Imagine if she had a go at a Asian person and added "he's also Asian" **** would go down

Well if she said and "he is Indonesian" or "and he is Indian"

and either of these countries had a reputation for vacuous loud mouthed empty vessels then what is your point?

[abhorson]

In which case she'd just call Perez horrible/a twat and leave out the 'American' comments. :umm2:

The one million marching back in 2002 thought this.

A very smart lady.

[abhorson]

its racism its discrimination its ignorant its nasty its bully hopkins

How is it racism:laugh:

[Niamh.]

She clearly does

[the truth]

The one million marching back in 2002 thought this.

A very smart lady.

eh? youre blaming perez for bush and blair now and saddam Hussein , het a grip....shes a bigot. plain and simple and shes playing to the BNP type supporters to support her bigotry

[Crimson Dynamo]

eh? youre blaming perez for bush and blair now and saddam Hussein , het a grip....shes a bigot. plain and simple and shes playing to the BNP type supporters to support her bigotry

:joker:


*waits for Hitler comparisons*

[the truth]

How is it racism:laugh:

how isn't ? shes singling out the entire nation of America as horrible bad ignorant etc generalzed mass discrimination against a mass of over 300 million the irony is shes more ignorant than the lot of them

[the truth]

:joker:


*waits for Hitler comparisons*

hitler was more intelligent

[abhorson]

eh? youre blaming perez for bush and blair now and saddam Hussein , het a grip....shes a bigot. plain and simple and shes playing to the BNP type supporters to support her bigotry


You really do come out with some....:laugh:

[Jack The Cat]

its racism its discrimination its ignorant its nasty its bully hopkins

No it is not "American" isn't a race.

[Liam-]

In which case she'd just call Perez horrible/a twat and leave out the 'American' comments. :umm2:

Because he is American.. He's literally an American twat, i don't see the issue :laugh:

If she had a rooted problem with Americans, she wouldn't be friends with Michelle, she wouldn't have been friends with Cami and to an extent, she wouldn't have been friends with Calum, it's just the one American in there she has a problem with :shrug:

[Jack The Cat]

how isn't ? shes singling out the entire nation of America as horrible bad ignorant etc generalzed mass discrimination against a mass of over 300 million the irony is shes more ignorant than the lot of them

"American" still isn't a race.

[MTVN]

I doubt she actually has a problem with them, but she does use it as an insult because of the connotations of being American as being quite brash and in your face, just as Perez is

[Lostie!]

No it is not "American" isn't a race.

No, but it's xenophobia, which isn't really any better.

[Daniel.]

No it is not "American" isn't a race.

It's not racist, it's xenophobic though

Because he is American.. He's literally an American twat, i don't see the issue :laugh:

If she had a rooted problem with Americans, she wouldn't be friends with Michelle, she wouldn't have been friends with Cami and to an extent, she wouldn't have been friends with Calum, it's just the one American in there she has a problem with :shrug:

Because it's completely unnecessary to add it :umm2: Also in the video ellieb just posted she said "to top it all off he's American"

[Niamh.]

Because he is American.. He's literally an American twat, i don't see the issue :laugh:

If she had a rooted problem with Americans, she wouldn't be friends with Michelle, she wouldn't have been friends with Cami and to an extent, she wouldn't have been friends with Calum, it's just the one American in there she has a problem with :shrug:

It's unnecessary and it is rude towards other Americans though, why bring up his nationality at all unless you think it's part of the insult, in which case it makes it a dig at Americans not just Perez

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's unnecessary and it is rude towards other Americans though, why bring up his nationality at all unless you think it's part of the insult, in which case it makes it a dig at Americans not just Perez

I think that Perez has done more damage to peoples perception of America than anything KH has said

lets took to the root cause here

perez is a loud mouthed american dickhead

and that is not up for debate


can i get an amen?

[abhorson]

I dislike the American Govs foreign polices as do millions of Brits and millions all over the world.

Call me xenophobic too!

[Liam-]

Amen

[Crimson Dynamo]

Amen

:douf:

[Daniel.]

Yes he is a loud twat, but why does him being American count? ffs lol

[abhorson]

Yes he is a loud twat, but why does him being American count? ffs lol

As an insult. And a smart one too. American popularity is not great at the moment in the UK.

She knows this.

[Niamh.]

I think that Perez has done more damage to peoples perception of America than anything KH has said

lets took to the root cause here

perez is a loud mouthed american dickhead

and that is not up for debate


can i get an amen?

Every nationality has loud mouthed dickheads though, Helen Wood anyone.........:smug:

[Daniel.]

As an insult. And a smart one too. American popularity is not great at the moment in the UK.

She knows this.

A pretty dumb one imo

[Liam-]

My Mum has always had a problem with American's for some reason and I've always defended them.

She thinks they're all loud, brash, in your face and egotistical.. now after watching Perez, i can kind of see why she'd get that idea :laugh:

But she is also a Michelle stan so it's okay.

[sodak22]

AMEN, from an American. KH had no problem with Cami, Jeremy, Alex, Michelle, or Callum. Perez gives us Americans a bad name. Remember the good ones past and present :) We are not all twats, the majority of the US isn't (you just don't hear from those that are not, for lack of drama). Trust me on that one. There's horrible English ppl and horrible Americans. The rate is probably very similar.

[Daniel.]

Perez is one person tho

Just like Hopkins is an embarrassment to our country, but she's just one person

[Jack The Cat]

I think that Perez has done more damage to peoples perception of America than anything KH has said

lets took to the root cause here

perez is a loud mouthed american dickhead

and that is not up for debate


can i get an amen?

Will an allah ackbar do?

[Niamh.]

AMEN, from an American. KH had no problem with Cami, Jeremy, Alex, Michelle, or Callum. Perez gives us Americans a bad name. Remember the good ones past and present :) We are not all twats, the majority of the US isn't (you just don't hear from those that are not, for lack of drama). Trust me on that one. There's horrible English ppl and horrible Americans. The rate is probably very similar.

No he doesn't, he's one person, why would he represent the whole of America?

[arista]

She always adds that Perez is an american :eyes:

It's so unnecessary


No its typical of her


Not a problem

[Tribal Spaceman]

Perez is every negative aspect of American and gay stereotypes rolled into one.

Obviously not all American or gay people are like that though.

[abhorson]

AMEN, from an American. KH had no problem with Cami, Jeremy, Alex, Michelle, or Callum. Perez gives us Americans a bad name. Remember the good ones past and present :) We are not all twats, the majority of the US isn't (you just don't hear from those that are not, for lack of drama). Trust me on that one. There's horrible English ppl and horrible Americans. The rate is probably very similar.

:clap1::clap1:

Although you do have more citizens in prison per capita than the UK.

Just a gag but true.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Will an allah ackbar do?

a snackbar?

hell yes

[abhorson]

a snackbar?

hell yes


:joker::joker:

Check under your car!

[sodak22]

No he doesn't, he's one person, why would he represent the whole of America?

Exactly my point, but Perez does not help relations/stereotypes between the two countries. He epitomizes my perception of how some English ppl view Americans especially the ones on CBB. I think KH just uses it as an easy out because he personifies everything wrong with "Americans" or more often people in general regardless of nationality. No one likes selfish narcissism which Perez exemplifies IMO. I imagine he is hardly alone in either country though, just gets more pub for it....

[chuff me dizzy]

If she has, thats entirely her choice !!

[sodak22]

:clap1::clap1:

Although you do have more citizens in prison per capita than the UK.

Just a gag but true.

That is definitely known in America and not a gag. A lot of people wonder why that is the case in our nation (not to mention gun deaths). Many believe the militarization of the police and incarcerating non violent drug offenders and the like is the root cause of the great prison population. A lot of us are trying to help :blush: but it is a slow process.

[Lostie!]

If she has, thats entirely her choice !!

Well, yes. But certainly not a respectable choice, or a choice made by a level-headed, open-minded person. :shrug:

[Daniel.]

If she has, thats entirely her choice !!

Yes but it majes her a bit of a twat

[chuff me dizzy]

Well, yes. But certainly not a respectable choice, or a choice made by a level-headed, open-minded person. :shrug:

But HER choice and long may she be allowed it

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes but it majes her a bit of a twat

In YOUR opinion,but not mine

[Jamesy]

I don't see the problem people have as such. Katie has only compared Perez to the stereotype American.. loud, in your face, gets too personal over nothing... Perez fits the stereotype perfectly.

It's just the same as an American viewing the British stereotype, posh, up ourselves, tea lovers.

People seem to be taking this out as an issue just because they dislike Katie. Not once has she been offensive to Americans as a whole. She just picks out the obvious stereotype Perez fits.

[abhorson]

Right or wrong. Still a blinder of a card which will imo secure her the win.

[Lostie!]

But HER choice and long may she be allowed it

What about the people who choose to name a child a certain name? Or those who choose to get a tattoo. Or those who choose to endanger themselves to help those in need? Is Hopkins the only person allowed to make a choice without being criticised for it? :conf:

The difference is, her choice involves perpetuating nasty stereotypes, which means she absolutely is entitled to be judged for it.

Yes but it majes her a bit of a twat

Oh, you're too kind Daniel. She's a twat of the highest order.

[abhorson]

I don't see the problem people have as such. Katie has only compared Perez to the stereotype American.. loud, in your face, gets too personal over nothing... Perez fits the stereotype perfectly.

It's just the same as an American viewing the British stereotype, posh, up ourselves, tea lovers.

People seem to be taking this out as an issue just because they dislike Katie. Not once has she been offensive to Americans as a whole. She just picks out the obvious stereotype Perez fits.

:clap1::clap1:

A smart lady.

[chuff me dizzy]

What about the people who choose to name a child a certain name? Or those who choose to get a tattoo. Or those who choose to endanger themselves to help those in need? Is Hopkins the only person allowed to make a choice without being criticised for it? :conf:

The difference is, her choice involves perpetuating nasty stereotypes, which means she absolutely is entitled to be judged for it.

You're going off topic

[chuff me dizzy]

My Mum has always had a problem with American's for some reason and I've always defended them.

She thinks they're all loud, brash, in your face and egotistical.. now after watching Perez, i can kind of see why she'd get that idea :laugh:

But she is also a Michelle stan so it's okay.

If he's your typical American ,thank God I was born English

[Lostie!]

You're going off topic

Um, no I'm not. My point is actually very relevant. If you're going to defend Katie's right to make a choice, it's entirely reasonable to bring up the fact that she insults others for their choices (and is supported by some for that).

Not that I'm surprised by your refusal to actually address that.

[Philanthropite]

But HER choice and long may she be allowed it

Choosing to be a racist asshole is fine but when you start voicing it on tv then it's another matter.

Choosing racial slurs didn't do Ken Morley any good. Not that I think that he had any racist intent behind what he said mind you but clearly big brother disagrees with your idea of everyone being allowed their own choice. Especially when said choice is vocalized on tv for all to see.

[chuff me dizzy]

Um, no I'm not. My point is actually very relevant. If you're going to defend Katie's right to make a choice, it's entirely reasonable to bring up the fact that she insults others for their choices (and is supported by some for that).

Not that I'm surprised by your refusal to actually address that.

I defend and always will defend Katies and everyone else right to her own opinion,on any subject she chooses

[chuff me dizzy]

Choosing to be a racist asshole is fine but when you start voicing it on tv then it's another matter.

Choosing racial slurs didn't do Ken Morley any good. Not that I think that he had any racist intent behind what he said mind you but clearly big brother disagrees with your idea of everyone being allowed their own choice. Especially when said choice is vocalized on tv for all to see.

Ask her how many ****s she gives?

[Philanthropite]

Ask her how many ****s she gives?

Yeah I'm sure Hitler said the same thing when he chose to form the Nazi party.

[abhorson]

Yeah I'm sure Hitler said the same thing when he chose to form the Nazi party.

Heard it all now:laugh:

[abhorson]

Choosing to be a racist asshole is fine but when you start voicing it on tv then it's another matter.

Choosing racial slurs didn't do Ken Morley any good. Not that I think that he had any racist intent behind what he said mind you but clearly big brother disagrees with your idea of everyone being allowed their own choice. Especially when said choice is vocalized on tv for all to see.

Give me one example of racism?

[Lostie!]

I defend and always will defend Katies and everyone else right to her own opinion,on any subject she chooses

And there it is, thanks very much for proving my point. That sums up while we'll never have a rational discussion on Katie Hopkins, so I won't bother trying again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah I'm sure Hitler said the same thing when he chose to form the Nazi party.

I think you mean Anton Drexler, the founder of National Socialist German Workers' Party.

[Kazanne]

I think that Perez has done more damage to peoples perception of America than anything KH has said

lets took to the root cause here

perez is a loud mouthed american dickhead

and that is not up for debate


can i get an amen?

AMEN :cheer2:

[poppsywoppsy]

Amen again

[bots]

People have called me a scottish twat, i've heard people called english "fill in the blank" almost every day of my life. There is only offense in it if you choose to take it. Should we stop saying the weather is crap today, because its offensive to weather. Perhaps we just shouldn't bother communicating at all if its so offensive to everyone.

[Kazanne]

And there it is, thanks very much for proving my point. That sums up while we'll never have a rational discussion on Katie Hopkins, so I won't bother trying again.

No point having a proper debate about her , you'll get the silly one liners like "Ugh , I hate her so much" then "Oh she is racist" and "KH , hates fat people" "KH has a big nose and is ugly"not to mention the Palestinian line ,lol really , people have pre conceived ideas of her already , so what's the point ?you can only debate with people who are open minded and think about things and not blindly hate someone because their mates do , I am not saying you at all , but it's noticeable in here that people are not prepared for any debate or explanations they just really want to get one over on each other , I see not much is said about the vile things Perez has said , would this be because people don't WANT to know? Hmm I am happy if people want to support Perez who calls peoples kids fat and ugly , and wished death on people , just at least understand why some of us like someone else. At this point it's not really about the housemates just which of the fans are right.

[abhorson]

People have called me a scottish twat, i've heard people called english "fill in the blank" almost every day of my life. There is only offense in it if you choose to take it. Should we stop saying the weather is crap today, because its offensive to weather. Perhaps we just shouldn't bother communicating at all if its so offensive to everyone.

That is a funny analogy. A force 12 upon you!

[abhorson]

No point having a proper debate about her , you'll get the silly one liners like "Ugh , I hate her so much" then "Oh she is racist" and "KH , hates fat people" "KH has a big nose and is ugly"not to mention the Palestinian line ,lol really , people have pre conceived ideas of her already , so what's the point ?you can only debate with people who are open minded and think about things and not blindly hate someone because their mates do , I am not saying you at all , but it's noticeable in here that people are not prepared for any debate or explanations they just really want to get one over on each other , I see not much is said about the vile things Perez has said , would this be because people don't WANT to know? Hmm I am happy if people want to support Perez who calls peoples kids fat and ugly , and wished death on people , just at least understand why some of us someone else. At this point it's not really about the housemates just which of the fans are right.


:clap1::clap1:

Merely for some warped thinking that it would have some kind of effect.

[Lostie!]

No point having a proper debate about her , you'll get the silly one liners like "Ugh , I hate her so much" then "Oh she is racist" and "KH , hates fat people" "KH has a big nose and is ugly"not to mention the Palestinian line ,lol really , people have pre conceived ideas of her already , so what's the point ?you can only debate with people who are open minded and think about things and not blindly hate someone because their mates do , I am not saying you at all , but it's noticeable in here that people are not prepared for any debate or explanations they just really want to get one over on each other , I see not much is said about the vile things Perez has said , would this be because people don't WANT to know? Hmm I am happy if people want to support Perez who calls peoples kids fat and ugly , and wished death on people , just at least understand why some of us someone else. At this point it's not really about the housemates just which of the fans are right.

Defending everything KH says and not even being willing to admit her faults is hardly having an "open mind", is it? That's what I was referring to. I've admitted the times when I saw a nicer side to her (her reaction to Alicia leaving, for example), and I've admitted the faults in those I like. Shame not everyone will do the same.

And how did this, yet again, turn into a discussion about Perez? Seriously, someone disliking Hopkins doesn't automatically mean they like Perez.

[Razor]

She seems to have an issue with anyone who isn't like her. Weird woman.

[Angelika]

can i get an amen?

No!

[Jack_]

As I keep saying, if in all her comments the word 'American' was replaced with 'Indian' there'd have been another race row and this thread would read very differently.

[Niamh.]

As I keep saying, if in all her comments the word 'American' was replaced with 'Indian' there'd have been another race row and this thread would read very differently.

Exactly

[Ninastar]

No, otherwise she'd hate Cami, Michelle, Callum, Alex and all the other americans who were in the house.

As an American, what she said was true. Americans do tend to be loud. Especially if you're from California/Hollywood, lol. All she was saying was that he was a typical American, loud and annoying. I don't believe she means half the stuff she says. So I don't think I'd ever get offended by something she said.

[Angelika]

KH has issues with everyone including Americans, imo.

[jaxie]

As I keep saying, if in all her comments the word 'American' was replaced with 'Indian' there'd have been another race row and this thread would read very differently.
:clap1:

[Kazanne]

No, otherwise she'd hate Cami, Michelle, Callum, Alex and all the other americans who were in the house.

As an American, what she said was true. Americans do tend to be loud. Especially if you're from California/Hollywood, lol. All she was saying was that he was a typical American, loud and annoying. I don't believe she means half the stuff she says. So I don't think I'd ever get offended by something she said.

:thumbs: