Perez didn't force ALex out

[albie]

ALex just coudln't deal with the house. End of. A bit of tongue wagging/kisses from Perez would not force anyone out. Get with the program. Perez was not that bad in the house.

[Niamh.]

Well, from what happened after he left, i think it's fair to say Alex was probably on edge for different reasons

[ebandit]

man sitting on cliff edge............push

while their position was hazardous it was still the push that did it

Mark L

[Vanessa]

Well, from what happened after he left, i think it's fair to say Alex was probably on edge for different reasons

Yes and no one picked up on it, apart from Perez.

[Niamh.]

Yes and no one picked up on it, apart from Perez.

Going into CBB was a bad choice for Alex anyway if he was that fragile. You are going to get stressed out and annoyed in there, it isn't a holiday camp. I wish him the best with his recovery though and hope that he takes proper responsibility for his relapse

[Vanessa]

Going into CBB was a bad choice for Alex anyway if he was that fragile. You are going to get stressed out and annoyed in there, it isn't a holiday camp. I wish him the best with his recovery though and hope that he takes proper responsibility for his relapse

I agree. Recovering addicts should not be on BB. It's a pressured environment.

[MTVN]

Yes and no one picked up on it, apart from Perez.

Well if Perez did know that Alexander wasn't in a good place then it makes it worse that he was deliberately trying to wind him up

[Glenn.]

Well if Perez did know that Alexander wasn't in a good place then it makes it worse that he was deliberately trying to wind him up

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[Vanessa]

Well if Perez did know that Alexander wasn't in a good place then it makes it worse that he was deliberately trying to wind him up

It wasn't deliberate. That night he asked BB to open the door for ages, but they ignored him. He explained he was coughing near the door to wake people up, so that BB would open the door.

[MTVN]

It wasn't deliberate. That night he asked BB to open the door for ages, but they ignored him. He explained he was coughing near the door to wake people up, so that BB would open the door.

Sorry I don't buy that, and even if its true its still very selfish imo the way he stood directly over Alexander's bed doing it and carried on even as Alex woke up and told him to move. It wasn't just that either, he also stood there blowing kisses at him and would follow him around when Alexander tried to move away from him.

[Vanessa]

Sorry I don't buy that, and even if its true its still very selfish imo the way he stood directly over Alexander's bed doing it and carried on even as Alex woke up and told him to move. It wasn't just that either, he also stood there blowing kisses at him and would follow him around when Alexander tried to move away from him.

Alex bed was near the door. Perez never targeted him on purpose. Alex also taunted Perez a lot.

[MTVN]

Alex bed was near the door. Perez never targeted him on purpose. Alex also taunted Perez a lot.

Still don't buy it but either way its selfish, Perez's needs and well being do not come above those of the others though I'm not surprised he was happy to screw his housemates over to get what he wants from BB, he did it all series :idc:

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Alex bed was near the door. Perez never targeted him on purpose. Alex also taunted Perez a lot.

I'm glad you mentioned that Vanessa. I recall (in the highlights I think) where Alex taunted and teased, even goading, Perez when he (Perez) was locked in that cage, and I'm sure this was seen by Nadia and Alicia. So when Hopkins (in the kitchen area) was asking Perez for an apolog in relation to Alexanders exit, Nadia and Alica made a reference to how Alex was not as innocent as Hopkins was making him out to be. Hence Kav trying to push Nadia to explain why Perez shouldn't apologise but Nadia said she wasn't going to say anything as Alex was no longer in the house, Alicia agreed with her.

[Caballo]

It wasn't deliberate. That night he asked BB to open the door for ages, but they ignored him. He explained he was coughing near the door to wake people up, so that BB would open the door.

Errrrrrrrrrrr ok!

[Vanessa]

I'm glad you mentioned that Vanessa. I recall (in the highlights I think) where Alex taunted and teased, even goading, Perez when he (Perez) was locked in that cage, and I'm sure this was seen by Nadia and Alicia. So when Hopkins (in the kitchen area) was asking Perez for an apolog in relation to Alexanders exit, Nadia and Alica made a reference to how Alex was not as innocent as Hopkins was making him out to be. Hence Kav trying to push Nadia to explain why Perez shouldn't apologise but Nadia said she wasn't going to say anything as Alex was no longer in the house, Alicia agreed with her.

:clap1:

[Niamh.]

I'm glad you mentioned that Vanessa. I recall (in the highlights I think) where Alex taunted and teased, even goading, Perez when he (Perez) was locked in that cage, and I'm sure this was seen by Nadia and Alicia. So when Hopkins (in the kitchen area) was asking Perez for an apolog in relation to Alexanders exit, Nadia and Alica made a reference to how Alex was not as innocent as Hopkins was making him out to be. Hence Kav trying to push Nadia to explain why Perez shouldn't apologise but Nadia said she wasn't going to say anything as Alex was no longer in the house, Alicia agreed with her.

yep

[MTVN]

Alex's taunting was reactionary though, he was imitating Perez's behaviour towards him by blowing kisses at him in that cage

[Kazanne]

Well if Perez did know that Alexander wasn't in a good place then it makes it worse that he was deliberately trying to wind him up

:worship::clap1:Spot on.

[Niamh.]

Alex's taunting was reactionary though, he was imitating Perez's behaviour towards him by blowing kisses at him in that cage

From what we saw, it seemed like Perez really liked Alex at the start, then Alex decided to berate him a few times about being an attention seeker etc, I believe it was Alex who started the Feud they had

[Kazanne]

Errrrrrrrrrrr ok!

Most of us know it was deliberate.:wavey:

[bots]

Amazing how short some peoples memories can be :shrug:

Perez behaved disgustingly to Alex, it was obscene the way he hounded and goaded him, no other word for it. Perez was an unpleasant man, all this talk of him being funny or entertaining is just complete bollocks.

[joeysteele]

I never thought Perez got Alexander out, he riled him no doubt at times but Alexander was also peeved with others too, namely Ken who had used the word negro.

Alexander,if he didn't want to go out, I doubt anyone could have made him or set it up,Alexander had people he could talk to in there and did so, therefore had a 'protective' base.

Alexander had been saying he wanted out after only the 3rd day,I think he had many reasons why he didn't want to be there and I also think right from the start, he was likely wishing he hadn't agreed to it.

He left of his own accord for in my view, other reasons,probably nothing to do with any of the housemates.
Housemates have had to put up with far worse than he had to, even in the usual BB series.
For instance Aaron had Jay and the wolf pack or whatever it was called, always on his back, getting at him and on a daily basis too.
He just got on with it,stuck with it and he wasn't that used to high public life like Alexander is.

[arista]

ALex just coudln't deal with the house. End of. A bit of tongue wagging/kisses from Perez would not force anyone out. Get with the program. Perez was not that bad in the house.


But he mad Alex call him a *********


Perez was pissing Alex off
so many of us would say no Perez
Alex would have stayed.

[Niamh.]

But he mad Alex call him a *********


Perez was pissing Alex off
so many of us would say no Perez
Alex would have stayed.

He made Alex call him a ******t?? He's the only one responsible for his mouth and what comes out of it

[Liam-]

He didn't actually call him a ****** though

[Ant.]

Alex bed was near the door. Perez never targeted him on purpose. Alex also taunted Perez a lot.

I'm sure Perez said something like 'I'm going to go cough near Alex's bed' or something liek that, probably wrong but I'm sure he said something before he went near Alex's bed

[Ant.]

Alex bed was near the door. Perez never targeted him on purpose. Alex also taunted Perez a lot.

It says he did it purposely though, it also says he faked the coughing fit (http://www.reveal.co.uk/showbiz-celeb-gossip/news/a626953/cbbs-perez-hilton-explains-why-he-coughed-over-alexander-oneal.html)

[Daniel-X]

Someone needs to shut Hopkins up with the 'He got Alexander removed' FFS he didn't get a grip and stop clutching at straws. I don't even think that's it's the fact she perhaps forgot he walked and didn't get ejected I think she's just trying to find more ways to make the public hate Perez.

[Johnnyuk123]

Alex bed was near the door. Perez never targeted him on purpose. Alex also taunted Perez a lot.

Pratez clearly spoke into his mic to BB from the toilet that he was now going into the bedroom to wake him up. How clear do you want it????

[joeysteele]

Someone needs to shut Hopkins up with the 'He got Alexander removed' FFS he didn't get a grip and stop clutching at straws. I don't even think that's it's the fact she perhaps forgot he walked and didn't get ejected I think she's just trying to find more ways to make the public hate Perez.

This is what she tries to do,create divisions which even shouldn't be there.
She could do well to reflect on the fact, that the public saw her nominate Alexander for eviction on the first night branding him one of only 2 as to being the least entertaining of all the housemates who went in that first night.

She likely had little real compassion for him,he was just used by her to get at Perez.
As you point out.

So desperate is she in her quest of nastiness she still won't let things go.

She may have gained a little respect had she climbed down from the insulting,wrong and heartless things she says about others,rather than when pulled up on same, her response is usually something like get over it.
As you say, it is time she shut up.I think those are the only 2 words,given the chance,that I would ever end up actually saying to her myself.

[arista]

He made Alex call him a ******t?? He's the only one responsible for his mouth and what comes out of it


Of Course


But he could not get away from Annoying Perez
and the Perez , later, runs into the DR
saying he is going to attack me , I need my Lawyer again.


Its No Fecking wonder why Alex had to walk out

[Lstan]

Someone needs to shut Hopkins up with the 'He got Alexander removed' FFS he didn't get a grip and stop clutching at straws. I don't even think that's it's the fact she perhaps forgot he walked and didn't get ejected I think she's just trying to find more ways to make the public hate Perez.

Indeed-the way she kept going on about it was irritating and i got that impression too.

tbh there ws just something off imo about the way he left, like he just left, no final word to te camera. Always had the impression there was something they were not telling us and still havent because his walking was handled veery different to others who had.

[Suze]

Someone needs to shut Hopkins up with the 'He got Alexander removed' FFS he didn't get a grip and stop clutching at straws. I don't even think that's it's the fact she perhaps forgot he walked and didn't get ejected I think she's just trying to find more ways to make the public hate Perez.


Nah, let her get on with it, the more she opens her mouth, the more moronic and bitter she looks as time goes on :laugh:

[Pete.]

Who cares now

[Denver]

So your bring this up now? It happened ages ago

[susie q]

Nah, let her get on with it, the more she opens her mouth, the more moronic and bitter she looks as time goes on :laugh:

Couldnt agree more, give her enough rope and she will eventually hang herself:laugh:

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

Please, let get the facts straight about that early morning... We don't have any facts. BB didn't show what happened that morning when Perez wake Alex up; and we didn't see Perez binding over Alex to stop him from sleeping like some have claimed.

All we saw was a 5 second clip showing Alex waking up and asking Perez to shut up. What we saw was consistent with Perez story that he was protesting to be let out of the bedroom. It was also consistent with the claim he made the first week of the show that he had trouble in the bedroom with the air conditioning.

All we know for certain is that Perez pissed off everybody that morning; that's what Katie Hopkins told Perez when she started harassing him that day. That's that day that most of the HMs became openly hostile to him. For Alex, it was giving Perez angry look that Perez responded with grimaces. After that he lost the plot.

Yes, Perez could have dealt better with Alex but all he did was stand his ground.

If some people are to blame are those sadistic voters that kept Alex in the house when he had already showed sign of not coping very well.

[the truth]

ALex just coudln't deal with the house. End of. A bit of tongue wagging/kisses from Perez would not force anyone out. Get with the program. Perez was not that bad in the house.

agreed. perez was great. dont forget alex was wagging his tongue at perez too and did say something about wiping a smile off his fa*got face. the only beef I had with perez was his ott treatment of reg holdsworth early doors...otherwise he was the joint best housemate ever who was stitched up by corrupt producers

[Johnnyuk123]

Please, let get the facts straight about that early morning... We don't have any facts. BB didn't show what happened that morning when Perez wake Alex up; and we didn't see Perez binding over Alex to stop him from sleeping like some have claimed.

All we saw was a 5 second clip showing Alex waking up and asking Perez to shut up. What we saw was consistent with Perez story that he was protesting to be let out of the bedroom. It was also consistent with the claim he made the first week of the show that he had trouble in the bedroom with the air conditioning.

All we know for certain is that Perez pissed off everybody that morning; that's what Katie Hopkins told Perez when she started harassing him that day. That's that day that most of the HMs became openly hostile to him. For Alex, it was giving Perez angry look that Perez responded with grimaces. After that he lost the plot.

Yes, Perez could have dealt better with Alex but all he did was stand his ground.

If some people are to blame are those sadistic voters that kept Alex in the house when he had already showed sign of not coping very well.



BB did show Pratez speaking to BB then going into the bedroom then coughing at his bedside.Fact! It was shown on national tv.

[the truth]

BB did show Pratez speaking to BB then going into the bedroom then coughing at his bedside.Fact! It was shown on national tv.

you didn't listen to the whole story did you? that whole episode was massively edited and contrived to make him look bad...scumbag producers had locked the bedroom doors for hours when perez had been asking to come to the diary room for hours to get sleeping tablets....he eventually cracked and said ok if you wont let me out im going to have to start coughing and wake the house .........it was simply coincidence that when eh returned to the bedroom that he was nearer alex than the other housemates.......of course the producers edited all the other stuff out

[Angelika]

OMG, What are you folk doing here?

Get a good book, sign up for yoga classes..........anything but flogging this subject to death!
CBB2015 is over - did no one tell you!

[Johnnyuk123]

you didn't listen to the whole story did you? that whole episode was massively edited and contrived to make him look bad...scumbag producers had locked the bedroom doors for hours when perez had been asking to come to the diary room for hours to get sleeping tablets....he eventually cracked and said ok if you wont let me out im going to have to start coughing and wake the house .........it was simply coincidence that when eh returned to the bedroom that he was nearer alex than the other housemates.......of course the producers edited all the other stuff out

So you are saying that when Pratez held his mic close to his chest in the toilet whilst laughing as he said...I am now going into the bedroom BB to wake Alexander up is a complete fabrication and was NEVER shown on national tv at all?

[Johnnyuk123]

you didn't listen to the whole story did you? that whole episode was massively edited and contrived to make him look bad...scumbag producers had locked the bedroom doors for hours when perez had been asking to come to the diary room for hours to get sleeping tablets....he eventually cracked and said ok if you wont let me out im going to have to start coughing and wake the house .........it was simply coincidence that when eh returned to the bedroom that he was nearer alex than the other housemates.......of course the producers edited all the other stuff out

Additionally after waking Alexander up Pratez then continued to cough. Explain?

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

BB did show Pratez speaking to BB then going into the bedroom then coughing at his bedside.Fact! It was shown on national tv.

It was 6am, Perez wasn't in the diary. All we saw was that 5 second clip as a flash back when someone mentioned the coughing later that day.

[Johnnyuk123]

It was 6am, Perez wasn't in the diary. All we saw was that 5 second clip as a flash back when someone mentioned the coughing later that day.

Wrong, it was way earlier than that and after Alexander asked him to stop he continued. Youtube clip proves this.:wavey:

[Johnnyuk123]

Here is the link to the actual facts. http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-10-alexander-erupts-perez

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

Additionally after waking Alexander up Perez then continued to cough. Explain?

According to Perez, he was protesting at BB; it wasn't designed to torture Alex.

If he had been keeping a HM awake in some kind of mind game, BB would have shown it... It would have been great TV.

[Johnnyuk123]

According to Perez, he was protesting at BB; it wasn't designed to torture Alex.

If he had been keeping a HM awake in some kind of mind game, BB would have shown it... It would have been great TV.

Just watch the video. ok

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

It hasn't been shown on TV and it's exactly what Perez said happened.

[Johnnyuk123]

It hasn't been shown on TV and it's exactly what Perez said happened.

It was shown on tv and i have posted the video clip to prove it.

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

Please, that wasn't showed in the highlights except for a 5 sec clip:

http://www.channel5.com/shows/celebrity-big-brother/episodes/episode-12-299

As for that clip you linked, thanks for finding it; it doesn't show Perez targeting Alex but shows Perez wanting to get out.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

When all is said and done, the question I want an answer to is: Why did BB NOT show (in the highlights) Alexander in the DR requesting to leave the House and his reasons for leaving? It is the first time, in any series, where a HM has either been removed or requested to leave of their own accord where this was not shown on a highlights episode. All sounds very covert and suspicious to me - begs the question, are they hiding something?

[Fat and Ginger Northener]

I bet it was either Perez or Alex to walk out and they begged Alex to take the money and leave to keep Perez.

Do you usually get payed when walking out?

[Denver]

I bet it was either Perez or Alex to walk out and they begged Alex to take the money and leave to keep Perez.

Do you usually get payed when walking out?
You get paid a % of the fee for each day you lasted

[Patricia4]

Perez did it all on a purpose to Alex the coughing was plain to see that he was getting at him.

[albie]

The point is that coughing and blowing kisses is not enough to make someone walk. Alex had his own reasons for leaving and maybe he timed it to make Perez look bad.

Full stop.:dance:

[joeysteele]

Alexander should be grateful that he didn't have Luisa and the other banshee in his series that Jim Davidson had, when they woke housemates up through the night regularly.

Maybe I am a deep sleeper but someone coughing wouldn't wake me,Once as a teenager I was in hospital and someone coughed all the time in the bed next to me,in the bay I was in.
It never stopped me sleeping.

Screaming,yelling and people sort of partying in the room would certainly wake me,quiet chatter or coughing wouldn't however.
Of course that is probably just me but it seems to me Alexander was also looking for as many faults too because he really didn't want to be there at all with likely any of them.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

The point is that coughing and blowing kisses is not enough to make someone walk. Alex had his own reasons for leaving and maybe he timed it to make Perez look bad.

Full stop.:dance:

I would (and do) 100% agree with this. Nobody put a gun to Alexanders head and forced him to leave. He probably had other issues and used Perez as his get out card. Quite frankly I don't believe that Alexander should have been at the live eviction, as once you walk you are saying that you don't want to be part of CBB anymore.

[Glenn.]

Perez acting like an annoying child didn't help matters

[Seraphim]

Alexander should be grateful that he didn't have Luisa and the other banshee in his series that Jim Davidson had, when they woke housemates up through the night regularly....

Of course that is probably just me but it seems to me Alexander was also looking for as many faults too...

I agree. Alexander's problem was entirely to do with his attitude and his overblown reaction to what in the end was a minor bit of nonsense. Supposing BB had done something to create a disturbance, or someone had been coughing all night through genuine illness.. Would he have made such an enormous deal out of it? No.

That said, he did appear to be losing the plot the final day he was in, and I felt a bit relieved he left. I got the impression he has some anger issues, and he might have lost his head and got violent.

[joeysteele]

My feeling entirely. Alexander's problem was entirely to do with his attitude and his overblown reaction to what in the end was a minor bit of nonsense. Supposing BB had done something to create a disturbance, or someone had been coughing all night through genuine illness.. Would he have made such an enormous deal out of it? No.

That said, he did appear to be losing the plot the final day he was in, and I felt a bit relieved he left. I got the impression he has some anger issues, and he might have lost his head and got violent.

Indeed,I thought that possible too, and really Ken was Alexander's first target,not Perez, after the so called racist word Ken used and got warned for.
I think Alexander was also maybe a difficult man to live with,he gave little of himself away and really rarely joined in with much either.

It soon became obvious to me and I am sure most watching that he really had no wish to be there, right from the start really too.

[Seraphim]

I think Alexander was also maybe a difficult man to live with,he gave little of himself away and really rarely joined in with much either.


Possibly.. But a lot of musicians talk about nothing but music for hours on end, so he's probably different with people who share that passion. He got very friendly with Patsy, for example.

His behaviour towards Perez was very intolerant, for whatever reason. My boyfriend says that Perez only coughed for a few minutes to make BB open the door, and as soon as Alexander awoke and started shouting, BB opened the door. Alexander was frankly horrible at breakfast when he was giving Perez the evil eye and refusing to eat food he'd been near - that behaviour was totally bizarre, in my opinion.

[Niamh.]

Perez acting like an annoying child didn't help matters

Probably not but he had to accept that he was going to have to put up with annoying stuff in the Big Brother house. He clearly wasn't well enough to be in there in the first place and blaming someone else for forcing you out or having a drug relapse is just deflecting responsibility from yourself.

[Seraphim]

Probably not but he had to accept that he was going to have to put up with annoying stuff in the Big Brother house. He clearly wasn't well enough to be in there in the first place and blaming someone else for forcing you out or having a drug relapse is just deflecting responsibility from yourself.


I agree. Taking drugs is also a way to avoid issues and pain, and probably stops people developing healthier mechanisms to cope with life's challenges.

[MojoNixon]

Well, from what happened after he left, i think it's fair to say Alex was probably on edge for different reasons

BS.