'That's so gay'

[Conzors]

Offensive or not?

Whilst I PERSONALLY don't get offended by it, because i know as most people say it, their not going 'BEING HOMOSEXUAL IS BAD, SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT', I can see why some people would get offended.

It probably originated from what i said above and then just grew as a 'thing to say' without anyone actually knowing the meaning behind it.

It is wrong because if your going 'that's gay' at something that you don't want to do, then it is seemed as bad.

I've asked my friends this and they said they've just grown up saying it, and how it 'rolls off the tongue'.

Its not a valid reason to say something - but i think if people actually thought about saying it and the meaning that can come across to certain people as they say it that it wouldn't be said.

Thoughts?

[GypsyGoth]

Only a prejudiced person associates something bad with being gay.

[Daniel.]

I always say it

[Conzors]

Only a prejudiced person associates something bad with being gay.

So why do people say it?

[Samm]

I get offended

It's like saying "That's so Black" or "That's so Straight" it's stupid

I don't mind if a gay person says it that much but there making it more acceptable if they do

[Conzors]

I always say it

and why do you say it?

[Liam-]

Not offensive in the slightest, to me anyway, but i don't really see how anyone can be offended by it in general, it's just a word.

[Conzors]

I get offended

It's like saying "That's so Black" or "That's so Straight" it's stupid

I don't mind if a gay person says it that much but there making it more acceptable if they do

I think im more offended at the fact that they DONT see whats wrong with it, rather than actually saying it.

[Smithy]

I don't get offended, but I give people a funny look and make them feel uncomfortable :fan:

[GypsyGoth]

So why do people say it?

Because they're stupid ****heads.

[Conzors]

Not offensive in the slightest, to me anyway, but i don't really see how anyone can be offended by it in general, it's just a word.

Its the meaning behind it though.

Thats just like me going: 'your so ugly and fat'
... they're just words.

You see?
x

[Good King Glennceslas]

Because they're stupid ****heads.

.

[Firewire]

I don't get offended but I always say "what do you mean by that?" and they squirm

[MB.]

Depends. If it's referring to something linked with or stereotypically attributed to gay people, like Elton John doing the can-can on a giant glittery phallus dressed in pantyhose and a bra, or is actually something gay, like two people of the same sex getting jiggy with it, then yeah. If it's just used as another word for 'bad', then of course not. There are billions of words in the English language, pick a better one.

[Liam-]

Its the meaning behind it though.

Thats just like me going: 'your so ugly and fat'
... they're just words.

You see?
x

Not really, that would be someone going out of their way too offend someone.

Someone saying 'oh that's so gay' because their xbox controller broke, to me, isn't offensive in the slightest, maybe a little stupid, but not offensive.

I think it all depends on the way it's said, like if someone went up to a gay couple in the street, snarling at them and said it, then yeah, then it would be offensive, because then it's more than just words, it's said with an intent to be hurtful.

[Conzors]

Not really, that would be someone going out of their way too offend someone.

Someone saying 'oh that's so gay' because their xbox controller broke, to me, isn't offensive in the slightest, maybe a little stupid, but not offensive.

I think it all depends on the way it's said, like if someone went up to a gay couple in the street, snarling at them and said it, then yeah, then it would be offensive, because then it's more than just words, it's said with an intent to be hurtful.

I think its the opposite.
Someone going up to a gay couple kissing and going 'omg thats so gay' - is true! It is gay! It may still not be right as they are snarling and stuff.

But an XBOX controller breaking is a bad thing, and saying omg 'thats gay' because a bad thing has happened is worse imo.

[Braden]

I think it's a stupid term.

Find a better adjective that's actually in context.

[Liam-]

I think its the opposite.
Someone going up to a gay couple kissing and going 'omg thats so gay' - is true! It is gay! It may still not be right as they are snarling and stuff.

But an XBOX controller breaking is a bad thing, and saying omg 'thats gay' because a bad thing has happened is worse imo.

So you're saying a silly throw away comment, is worse and more offensive than actual homophobia 'because it's true'? :umm2:

[Conzors]

So you're saying a silly throw away comment, is worse and more offensive than actual homophobia 'because it's true'? :umm2:

I dont think its a throw away comment - but saying 'thats so gay' and being homophobic is different.

If your saying that then that dude was being homophobic when his controller broke...

[Good King Glennceslas]

I think its the opposite.
Someone going up to a gay couple kissing and going 'omg thats so gay' - is true! It is gay! It may still not be right as they are snarling and stuff.

But an XBOX controller breaking is a bad thing, and saying omg 'thats gay' because a bad thing has happened is worse imo.

wat

[Merry Mockmas]

They're kind of saying that being gay is okay to use as an insult when they say "that's so gay" but I don't think it means that the person is homophobic, and some people (like always) can go very OTT about how bad it is that someone says it.

Would I personally use it? No, but does it warrant being banned? Again no.

[MB.]

This thread is so gay. :idc:

[Liam-]

I dont think its a throw away comment - but saying 'thats so gay' and being homophobic is different.

If your saying that then that dude was being homophobic when his controller broke...

Okay so let me ask you this.

If you were walking through town someone dropped their phone and said 'ugh man, that's so gay' you'd be offended?

But would you be more or less offended if you were with a boyfriend and someone came up to you intentionally to hurt you by calling you gay and mocking you with it?

[Conzors]

They're kind of saying that being gay is okay to use as an insult when they say "that's so gay" but I don't think it means that the person is homophobic, and some people (like always) can go very OTT about how bad it is that someone says it.

Would I personally use it? No, but does it warrant being banned? Again no.

I dont think is homophobic at all.
I just think its totally unnessacary.

Why use that word?

[Samm]

Okay so let me ask you this.

If you were walking through town someone dropped their phone and said 'ugh man, that's so gay' you'd be offended?

But would you be more or less offended if you were with a boyfriend and someone came up to you intentionally to hurt you by calling you gay and mocking you with it?

Both are offensive imo, but the latter more

[Daniel.]

and why do you say it?

Because I just do

I'm gay myself

[Conzors]

Okay so let me ask you this.

If you were walking through town someone dropped their phone and said 'ugh man, that's so gay' you'd be offended?

But would you be more or less offended if you were with a boyfriend and someone came up to you intentionally to hurt you by calling you gay and mocking you with it?

Their totally different.
Saying 'thats so gay' when dropping your phone is using gay as a bad thing, and saying 'thats so gay' to a gay couple is rude, but true.

Saying 'thats so gay' to a gay couple and THEN mocking them about it is homophobic.

I'm talking about the phrase itself and how its used (normally in the first scenario)

[Good King Glennceslas]

I dont think is homophobic at all.
I just think its totally unnessacary.

Why use that word?

But you just said it's fine for someone to use that word to a man kissing his boyfriend because it's true.

[Liam-]

Both are offensive imo, but the latter more

See i personally wouldn't be offended by either, but i can see that the latter situation is way more offensive than someone using a word, that isn't offensive in itself, in a silly way :shrug:

[Conzors]

Because I just do

I'm gay myself

'because i do'

is not a proper answer.

[Conzors]

But you just said it's fine for someone to use that word to a man kissing his boyfriend because it's true.

I didnt say it was fine.
I said in that situation that Liam said that id prefer the true one.

Never once said it was fine.

[Daniel.]

'because i do'

is not a proper answer.

Excuse me

I just say it like sometimes if I like dropped my phone as you said or something similar

I'm gay why would anyone be offended :umm2:

[Good King Glennceslas]

I find the word 'gay' itself offensive. I don't believe in labelling sexuality. It's wrong.

[Daniel.]

I find the word 'gay' itself offensive. I don't believe in labelling sexuality. It's wrong.

ok

[Conzors]

Excuse me

I just say it like sometimes if I like dropped my phone as you said or something similar

I'm gay why would anyone be offended :umm2:

Okay, your clearly bad at voicing your opinions.
You didnt explain WHY you said it.

[Good King Glennceslas]

ok

By that I mean it's a meaningless label that gay people are forced to comply with.

[Conzors]

By that I mean it's a meaningless label that gay people are forced to comply with.

Agree!

[Daniel.]

Okay, your clearly bad at voicing your opinions.
You didnt explain WHY you said it.

You don't even know merm

I JUST DID EXPLAIN

[Liam-]

Their totally different.
Saying 'thats so gay' when dropping your phone is using gay as a bad thing, and saying 'thats so gay' to a gay couple is rude, but true.

Saying 'thats so gay' to a gay couple and THEN mocking them about it is homophobic.

I'm talking about the phrase itself and how its used (normally in the first scenario)

Okay then, the phrase itself, 'that's so gay' is that an offensive term? no it isn't because it can be used in many contexts, to describe a gay couple being the main one obviously.

But 'gay' is not an offensive word if you take the meaning away, i see gay as something that is 'not the norm' or 'conventional' so someone saying that something going wrong isn't them bashing gays and using it as a bad term.

It is an incredibly stupid thing to say, especially when it's used in the wrong context, but that's why it's a stupid thing to say because it is totally out of context, therefore grammatically incorrect, i don't see it as wrong because it's putting a negative spin on the word 'gay'

[Conzors]

You don't even know merm

I JUST DID EXPLAIN

How did you explain? lol

[Merry Mockmas]

I dont think is homophobic at all.
I just think its totally unnessacary.

Why use that word?

I have no idea as I think that it's silly to use the word as well.

[Liam-]

I myself personally find gay people getting easily offended over silly words more offensive than the words themselves.

[Conzors]

Okay then, the phrase itself, 'that's so gay' is that an offensive term? no it isn't because it can be used in many contexts, to describe a gay couple being the main one obviously.

But 'gay' is not an offensive word if you take the meaning away, i see gay as something that is 'not the norm' or 'conventional' so someone saying that something going wrong isn't them bashing gays and using it as a bad term.

It is an incredibly stupid thing to say, especially when it's used in the wrong context, but that's why it's a stupid thing to say because it is totally out of context, therefore grammatically incorrect, i don't see it as wrong because it's putting a negative spin on the word 'gay'

Respect your opinion.
At least you can back it up.
x

[Conzors]

I myself personally find gay people getting easily offended over silly words more offensive than the words themselves.

I agree and when a non-gay person dislikes a gay person its suddenly HOMOPHOBIA.

Bull****.

[MB.]

I wouldn't find someone trying to use the word 'gay' as a personal insult offensive because being gay isn't something to be embarrased or offended over, or at least it shouldn't be. As long as it was just name-calling (not even that, really) and not anything deeper than that, I'd just shrug it off, but I can understand that others wouldn't. Still, if the level of someone's insults is to just shout out what they see in front of them, it really shouldn't be something to be offended over.

[Daniel.]

How did you explain? lol

I just said it's like something I'm used to when I do something accidentally sometimes, like your example of dropping a phone on the floor, and I could say it. It's not intentional, nor is it hurtful, it's just something I have said for years, I never really think about it

[Liam-]

Like my friends literally call me '******' 'queer' and 'puff' as nicknames and i really don't care :laugh:

I don't see there being any point in getting offended by being called something that you are, it would be like me getting offended by someone calling me short or a brunette.

[Dollface]

I went through a phase of saying "ah man, that's so gay" if like i missed a tv show or something, it just rolled off the tongue because i'd heard other people saying it, i never even thought about it's meaning or the fact some people might find it offensive :unsure:
I have gay friends and family members so i'd hate to upset them

[armand.kay]

I haven't heard anyone say that since like 2008

[MB.]

I haven't heard anyone say that since like 2008

...I haven't heard anyone say it since yesterday.

[Urban Cragou]

Not offensive.

[kirklancaster]

This thread is so gay. :idc:

:joker:

[Lostie!]

A lot of people who use the term aren't actually homophobic, but they should really stop and think about the connotations of their words first as it's reasonable to assume that someone may find it offensive.

And I don't think anyone has the right to say "Nope, that's not offensive" as a fact. People can speak only for themselves.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

we always called someone who was being a big lassie a ****

rhymes with hoof

[Firewire]

we always called someone who was being a big lassie a ****

rhymes with hoof

you really shouldn't

[Samm]

you really shouldn't

[2]

[Kizzy]

I don't know anyone who says it as it is a bit cringe, there was a thing about saying 'gaaaaaaay' in a funny way, if someone was acting a bit daft but you don't hear that hardly ever either now as it would be mightily embarrassing if they were actually gay or it upset someone around who was gay.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

you really shouldn't

look a lot of gay men are effeminate and blokes see them as women men

deal with it

[Firewire]

look a lot of gay men are effeminate and blokes see them as women men

deal with it

doesn't give you the right to call them a "****" though...

[Christmas Dynasnow]

doesn't give you the right to call them a "****" though...

i am talking probably before you were born and what do you actually think it means?

[Ninastar]

I know its offensive when i think about it, but I still use it anyway. my fave insults to call people are 'big gays' or 'big sluts'

do i hate gay people? no. (hello, im a ninadyke). do i hate sluts? sometimes.

but do i mean to offend these people? of course not. so at the end of the day, i dont care.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

are you nina?

i was just thinking today

where is nina?

[Ramsay]

i get offended when people say 'that's so ****'

[arista]

So many old songs have "Happy and Gay"
with nothing like todays meaning

Before "Gay" word was stolen

[Livia]

I wouldn't say it. My gay friend says it... he's allowed.

[Ninastar]

are you nina?

i was just thinking today

where is nina?

Yes, it is I, ninadyke

[The Human Santapede]

I hate when gays get pissy as if the only meaning of the word is to do with homosexuals. See below, 4th meaning


gay
Line breaks: gay
Pronunciation: /ɡeɪ /
Definition of gay in English:
ADJECTIVE (gayer, gayest)

1(Of a person, especially a man) homosexual.

1.1Relating to or used by homosexuals:
a gay bar

2 dated Light-hearted and carefree:
Nan had a gay disposition and a very pretty face

3 dated Brightly coloured; showy:
a gay profusion of purple and pink sweet peas

4 informal offensive Foolish, stupid, or unimpressive:
he thinks the obsession with celebrity is totally gay

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gay

[arista]

I hate when gays get pissy as if the only meaning of the word is to do with homosexuals. See below, 4th meaning


gay
Line breaks: gay
Pronunciation: /ɡeɪ /
Definition of gay in English:
ADJECTIVE (gayer, gayest)

1(Of a person, especially a man) homosexual.

1.1Relating to or used by homosexuals:
a gay bar

2 dated Light-hearted and carefree:
Nan had a gay disposition and a very pretty face

3 dated Brightly coloured; showy:
a gay profusion of purple and pink sweet peas

4 informal offensive Foolish, stupid, or unimpressive:
he thinks the obsession with celebrity is totally gay

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gay


Its a Stolen Word Ben
back in the day
"Gay and Happy"
was in loads of songs
had feck all to do with *****



Please note : There Is Nothing Wrong with Being a ****

[the truth]

Offensive or not?

Whilst I PERSONALLY don't get offended by it, because i know as most people say it, their not going 'BEING HOMOSEXUAL IS BAD, SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT', I can see why some people would get offended.

It probably originated from what i said above and then just grew as a 'thing to say' without anyone actually knowing the meaning behind it.

It is wrong because if your going 'that's gay' at something that you don't want to do, then it is seemed as bad.

I've asked my friends this and they said they've just grown up saying it, and how it 'rolls off the tongue'.

Its not a valid reason to say something - but i think if people actually thought about saying it and the meaning that can come across to certain people as they say it that it wouldn't be said.

Thoughts?

I don't care

[the truth]

A lot of people who use the term aren't actually homophobic, but they should really stop and think about the connotations of their words first as it's reasonable to assume that someone may find it offensive.

And I don't think anyone has the right to say "Nope, that's not offensive" as a fact. People can speak only for themselves.

just as people should stop calling men male chauvinist pigs without repercussions, its disgusting sexism and it goes on unabated and unquestioned

[Marsh.]

I don't care

So why bother posting in the thread?

[Marsh.]

just as people should stop calling men male chauvinist pigs without repercussions, its disgusting sexism and it goes on unabated and unquestioned

People only call actual chauvinists that, not all men.

[coffee]

I grew up saying it very young before I even knew what being gay was. I was always so used to saying it and I can't even think now if I say it these days?? I did wonder if a man who worked in Starbucks was gay once openly on instagram as he was always so rude to me unless i had my boyfriend with me that to me he was so obviously flirting with and he somehow seen me asking if he was gay and got all his friends to call me a homophobe and a "P*ki" (hmm, whatever that means) in my comments LOL I would ask why they thought I was homophobic and they would just keep telling me it was because I was wondering if he was gay :/ So I guess some people are annoyed by the word "Gay" just being in a sentence.

[The Human Santapede]

Its a Stolen Word Ben
back in the day
"Gay and Happy"
was in loads of songs
had feck all to do with *****



Please note : There Is Nothing Wrong with Being a ****

:joker:

But yeah gays seem to have adopted this word yet gay has many meanings not just homosexual.

[Kyle]

Your so gay
you probably think this thread is about you
Your so gay
you probably think this thread is about you
Don't you
Don't you

[Samm]

Your so gay
you probably think this thread is about you
Your so gay
you probably think this thread is about you
Don't you
Don't you

k

[GypsyGoth]

Here is a pretty good article on it http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/24/using-gay-mean-crap-bullying-gap-people

Also here is the etymology of the word http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gay, so around the 2000s, when people who weren't gay tried to change the word to mean something lame or crap, the word only meant homosexual, the previous meanings had gone out of fashion.

[Shaun]

yeah I have to say the "oh it didn't used to mean homosexual!" line is a pretty poor defence when using gay to mean lame (also an offensive word) or rubbish, has only really surfaced since the 90s.

it's one of those things where I'm comfortable using it as a joke with close friends I know are on my wavelength but at the same time whenever I see it used on twitter / hear someone at work or out at a bar or whatever use it, I instantly hate them for it.

[Lostie!]

People only call actual chauvinists that, not all men.

Oh, there are definitely some women who have bad experiences with one man and decide to tar all men with the same brush.

But that's a different issue.

[letmein]

The phrase stems from homophobia. It didn't magically appear one day out of nowhere. Using a term that labels a minority group derogatorily is never okay.

[Gusto Brunt]

I don't get this new method of praising something, called SICK. :eek: