Did Aliens seed life on earth?

[DemolitionRed]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/aliens-send-space-seed-to-earth_n_6608582.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000022

[Niamh.]

quite possibly

[arista]

Yes from the Other Earth
that will take us 50 years to reach

[Nedusa]

Yes...... The Ancient Astronaut theory

It's about as valid as any other theory.





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[MTVN]

Nah mate

[billy123]

Probably.
The chances are more in favour of that being the case than not.

[DemolitionRed]

I like the idea that we were seeded from another planet.

We just need them to turn up and tell us all that they seeded religion as a propaganda experiment.

[user104658]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/aliens-send-space-seed-to-earth_n_6608582.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000022

I was reading an article the other day supposedly claiming that the major world governments are all already aware of the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life but it's kept under wraps for fear of the civil unrest that might be caused by having a massive spanner suddenly thrown into people's belief systems. It was slightly conspiracy-theoryish but very interesting nonetheless and also, in my opinion, entirely feasible. Imagine the implications?

Basic extraterrestrial life has been all but proven, with micro-organism fossils being found inside meteorites that couldn't possibly have originated on earth. Obviously it's a far cry from sentient beings like humans or even more basic animal life forms, but in my opinion, if these building blocks are available in the "local" galaxy - close enough to have fossils reach earth - and in an abundance great enough for that to happen (Earth is a tiny target in a huge expanse of space, if a few life-proving meteorites have landed on earth then there are potentially billions of such meteorites floating around out there in the void) then for me it logically follows that somewhere out there, there simply MUST be other life forms as intelligent or even far more intelligent than humans.

I find it all really quite exciting. However, my somewhat depressing theory is that physical faster-than-light travel may well be completely impossible and that other sentient civilisations could therefore be permanently out of reach. I'd like to think that maybe though, one day when we understand more about space and time and the strange ways in which they interact, it might at least be possible to send messages back and forth between ourselves and others.

It would all feel a bit safer that way, too. We could share scientific discoveries, philosophies, jokes, awesome alien TV shows (they could watch EastEnders and it would be like science fiction!)... but with physical contact being impossible, we wouldn't have to worry about pesky thinks like interstellar invasions and space battles over resource asteroids.

Which is actually a shame because the latter sounds awesome.

[user104658]

We just need them to turn up and tell us all that they seeded religion as a propaganda experiment.

"...it was actually a children's book, Glarfblurk the Mischievous sent it to Earth as a joke, he didn't realise that people would take it so seriously. He is very sorry."

[DemolitionRed]

I was reading an article the other day supposedly claiming that the major world governments are all already aware of the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life but it's kept under wraps for fear of the civil unrest that might be caused by having a massive spanner suddenly thrown into people's belief systems. It was slightly conspiracy-theoryish but very interesting nonetheless and also, in my opinion, entirely feasible. Imagine the implications?

Basic extraterrestrial life has been all but proven, with micro-organism fossils being found inside meteorites that couldn't possibly have originated on earth. Obviously it's a far cry from sentient beings like humans or even more basic animal life forms, but in my opinion, if these building blocks are available in the "local" galaxy - close enough to have fossils reach earth - and in an abundance great enough for that to happen (Earth is a tiny target in a huge expanse of space, if a few life-proving meteorites have landed on earth then there are potentially billions of such meteorites floating around out there in the void) then for me it logically follows that somewhere out there, there simply MUST be other life forms as intelligent or even far more intelligent than humans.

I find it all really quite exciting. However, my somewhat depressing theory is that physical faster-than-light travel may well be completely impossible and that other sentient civilisations could therefore be permanently out of reach. I'd like to think that maybe though, one day when we understand more about space and time and the strange ways in which they interact, it might at least be possible to send messages back and forth between ourselves and others.

It would all feel a bit safer that way, too. We could share scientific discoveries, philosophies, jokes, awesome alien TV shows (they could watch EastEnders and it would be like science fiction!)... but with physical contact being impossible, we wouldn't have to worry about pesky thinks like interstellar invasions and space battles over resource asteroids.

Which is actually a shame because the latter sounds awesome.

Interesting post TS...regarding the bit I bolded; our governments wouldn't want us to know because without religion they wouldn't have enough excuses to go to war!

I've always wondered if we appeared from deposited DNA from exploding planets. If so, I'm sure spiders didn't come from the same planet as us ;)

[kirklancaster]

I firmly believe in life on other planets, but as to Aliens seeding life on earth or being our creators, I am left with that age old unanswered question; Who created the aliens?

[Niamh.]

I firmly believe in life on other planets, but as to Aliens seeding life on earth or being our creators, I am left with that age old unanswered question; Who created the aliens?

asking who created the aliens doesn't make it not possible for Aliens to have created us though :think:

[kirklancaster]

asking who created the aliens doesn't make it not possible for Aliens to have created us though :think:

No, I agree there Niamh.

[Niamh.]

No, I agree there Niamh.

Personally I don't think we'll ever truly know where the "beginning" was and what caused it or even if we're capable of understanding it

[user104658]

I'm sure spiders didn't come from the same planet as us ;)

I refuse to believe that I developed from the same single-celled organisms as those little horrors. The aliens must have sent the wrong tiny ball by accident.

[kirklancaster]

Personally I don't think we'll ever truly know where the "beginning" was and what caused it or even if we're capable of understanding it

I agree. I think if we ever did, those of us of faith will either be sorry we wasted our time or those without faith will be wishing they'd had a little. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

I refuse to believe that I developed from the same single-celled organisms as those little horrors. The aliens must have sent the wrong tiny ball by accident.

:joker: You were created with a steel helmet, battle fatigues and a AK47 already donned. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I agree. I think if we ever did, those of us of faith will either be sorry we wasted our time or those without faith will be wishing they'd had a little. :laugh:

haha, well for me I don't think I would regret not having faith if it was proven there was a God because even if there is how does "he/she" honestly expect people to just blindly follow a man made organisation like that? (with many conflicting religions in the world too and lets be honest here the vast majority of religious people are whatever religion they are due to what part of the world they happened to be born in)

[user104658]

I firmly believe in life on other planets, but as to Aliens seeding life on earth or being our creators, I am left with that age old unanswered question; Who created the aliens?

Maybe we did! Humans created them. We created them and they, in turn, created us. Sort of like the inverse of the "Grandfather paradox" (or the Sarah Connor paradox as I prefer to call it :hehe: ).

Alternatively, it's sort of like that nonsense with the black hole in "Interstellar"

In which they travel across the galaxy through a wormhole following a message of unknown origins, but it turns out in the end that it was actually them who sent the message by manipulating space-time, possibly with the aid of an advanced future civilization of humans on the other side of the wormhole, that they actually created themselves.

But it actually makes no sense at all and for me ruined what was shaping up to be an excellent film :nono:

Personally I don't think we'll ever truly know where the "beginning" was and what caused it or even if we're capable of understanding it

Some theoretical physicists pondering lately, in regards to new discoveries in quantum mechanics, whether or not there actually was any "beginning" at all, and in fact whether the term "beginning" in terms of the universe actually even has meaning. We already know that "time" isn't exactly what it seems to be, and the idea of a necessary "beginning" or "cause" is based entirely on a linear understanding of time.

[Niamh.]

Maybe we did! Humans created them. We created them and they, in turn, created us. Sort of like the inverse of the "Grandfather paradox" (or the Sarah Connor paradox as I prefer to call it :hehe: ).

Alternatively, it's sort of like that nonsense with the black hole in "Interstellar"

In which they travel across the galaxy through a wormhole following a message of unknown origins, but it turns out in the end that it was actually them who sent the message by manipulating space-time, possibly with the aid of an advanced future civilization of humans on the other side of the wormhole, that they actually created themselves.

But it actually makes no sense at all and for me ruined what was shaping up to be an excellent film :nono:



Some theoretical physicists pondering lately, in regards to new discoveries in quantum mechanics, whether or not there actually was any "beginning" at all, and in fact whether the term "beginning" in terms of the universe actually even has meaning. We already know that "time" isn't exactly what it seems to be, and the idea of a necessary "beginning" or "cause" is based entirely on a linear understanding of time.

Yeah, that's what I mean, I don't think we're even capable of getting our heads round it. Time travel movies really confuse me.....I have no hope anyway :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Oh just read your post on Interseller TS, I agree lol

[user104658]

:joker: You were created with a steel helmet, battle fatigues and a AK47 already donned. :laugh:

This is untrue! I had an interchangeable G36 and FN FAL.

[Nedusa]

I was reading an article the other day supposedly claiming that the major world governments are all already aware of the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life but it's kept under wraps for fear of the civil unrest that might be caused by having a massive spanner suddenly thrown into people's belief systems. It was slightly conspiracy-theoryish but very interesting nonetheless and also, in my opinion, entirely feasible. Imagine the implications?

Basic extraterrestrial life has been all but proven, with micro-organism fossils being found inside meteorites that couldn't possibly have originated on earth. Obviously it's a far cry from sentient beings like humans or even more basic animal life forms, but in my opinion, if these building blocks are available in the "local" galaxy - close enough to have fossils reach earth - and in an abundance great enough for that to happen (Earth is a tiny target in a huge expanse of space, if a few life-proving meteorites have landed on earth then there are potentially billions of such meteorites floating around out there in the void) then for me it logically follows that somewhere out there, there simply MUST be other life forms as intelligent or even far more intelligent than humans.

I find it all really quite exciting. However, my somewhat depressing theory is that physical faster-than-light travel may well be completely impossible and that other sentient civilisations could therefore be permanently out of reach. I'd like to think that maybe though, one day when we understand more about space and time and the strange ways in which they interact, it might at least be possible to send messages back and forth between ourselves and others.

It would all feel a bit safer that way, too. We could share scientific discoveries, philosophies, jokes, awesome alien TV shows (they could watch EastEnders and it would be like science fiction!)... but with physical contact being impossible, we wouldn't have to worry about pesky thinks like interstellar invasions and space battles over resource asteroids.

Which is actually a shame because the latter sounds awesome.



Welcome to my World.........:spin::spin::spin:






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[Nedusa]

Advanced Beings made of Energy would be massless and so could travel at the speed of light (or faster).

Only thing is when they arrived we wouldn't be able to shake their hands......





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[user104658]

Advanced Beings made of Energy would be massless and so could travel at the speed of light (or faster).

Only thing is when they arrived we wouldn't be able to shake their hands......





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Well there's that, too. What we can perceive as human is a miniscule fraction of the whole of existence - we already know that because, with technology, we can perceive a hundred times more that is beyond our physical senses (infrared, ultraviolet, and everything beyond that in either direction) so it is entirely feasible that there are sentient beings all around us, or at least nearby (in intergalactic terms) that are simply not in the same sphere of existence as us. If so, they wouldn't even need to be able to travel fast, they might be "right next door", and it might just be a matter of each developing the technology to "see" each other. Maybe they can even see us already, and are just waiting for us to catch up so that we can communicate. Maybe they've been watching us like a big reality TV show for centuries!

[Kizzy]

I think 'god' is an alien...

[Nedusa]

I think 'god' is an alien...

I agree......I think God must be an alien because he/she must be a more advanced form of life with incredible technology or from another realm where the manipulation of matter/energy are possible.

Possibly an advanced Sentient being millions of years old.

Either way God is not human in the truest sense of the word so therefore must be non human or alien.







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[Kizzy]

We didn't know much before the watchers did we? It makes sense to me.

[user104658]

I agree......I think God must be an alien because he/she must be a more advanced form of life with incredible technology or from another realm where the manipulation of matter/energy are possible.

Possibly an advanced Sentient being millions of years old.

Either way God is not human in the truest sense of the word so therefore must be non human or alien.






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Wouldn't we all (humanity, except Tom Cruise and John Travolta) have egg on our faces if it actually turns out to be Xenu?

[Niamh.]

Wouldn't we all (humanity, except Tom Cruise and John Travolta) have egg on our faces if it actually turns out to be Xenu?

:hehe:

[Nedusa]

Wouldn't we all (humanity, except Tom Cruise and John Travolta) have egg on our faces if it actually turns out to be Xenu?

Xenu (/ˈziːnuː/),[1][2][3] also called "Xemu", was, according to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who 75 million years ago brought billions[4][5] of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack") in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans (immortal spirits) of these aliens adhere to humans, causing spiritual harm.[1][6]

Do you mean this Xenu (above)...??

Yes, plenty of Egg.........:cheer2::cheer2:










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[Kizzy]

Is that planet X, I thought that was called nibaru?

[Northern Monkey]

Lolwut?

[Nedusa]

Is that planet X, I thought that was called nibaru?

No the Mysterious Planet X or Nibiru was supposed to be on a very wide elliptical orbit which takes it out into the outer reaches of the solar system. It is supposed to return every 3,600 years or so.

We are apparently due a visit soon.......so be afraid :shocked::shocked:




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[Kizzy]

Let's hope jeebus is onboard... wonder what he'd think of what we've done in the last 2000yrs?

[DemolitionRed]

Woaw... I've never really given this much thought because I've been raised by scientists but what TS and Nedusa just said is food for thought.

Goes away and contemplates the possibilities.

[DemolitionRed]

Let's hope jeebus is onboard... wonder what he'd think of what we've done in the last 2000yrs?

Well I hope he's considering that he, along with a few others possibly started this.

[Kizzy]

Well I hope he's considering that he, along with a few others possibly started this.

Started what? he came well after they were stories 1000s of years before he showed up :laugh:

[the truth]

I like the idea that we were seeded from another planet.

We just need them to turn up and tell us all that they seeded religion as a propaganda experiment.

which religion as theyre all so very different

[the truth]

I think 'god' is an alien...

God is the sun, Jesus is the son, Im surprised you didn't know that

[Marsh.]

Yes from the Other Earth
that will take us 50 years to reach




There is No Other Earth

[jennyjuniper]

As it is widely recognised that we only use about 10% of our brain capacity, whio knows what we could be capable of if we learnt to unlock the rest? Space and time travel IS possible I believe. Technology is growing so quickly. Imagine if someone from only 100 years ago suddenly was to appear today, the world would seem far more advanced than that person could have dreamt of.

[Niamh.]

As it is widely recognised that we only use about 10% of our brain capacity, whio knows what we could be capable of if we learnt to unlock the rest? Space and time travel IS possible I believe. Technology is growing so quickly. Imagine if someone from only 100 years ago suddenly was to appear today, the world would seem far more advanced than that person could have dreamt of.

That's a myth, humans actually use all of their brain

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/22/10-percent-of-your-brain_n_5610448.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_percent_of_brain_myth

http://ed.ted.com/lessons/what-percentage-of-your-brain-do-you-use-richard-e-cytowic

[user104658]

That's a myth, humans actually use all of their brain

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/22/10-percent-of-your-brain_n_5610448.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_percent_of_brain_myth

http://ed.ted.com/lessons/what-percentage-of-your-brain-do-you-use-richard-e-cytowic
Yes, another annoying pseudoscience that put me off of another film! I saw the trailer for "Lucy" and it looked like and OK film, but I refuse to watch it because the entire thing is based on this complete fiction that we only use 10% of the brain and have this "unlocked potential" that would basically give us superhuman abilities. It's too much of a stretch when it comes to suspension of disbelief. I think maybe because it's used SO often.

I think it comes from the fact that most people in their everyday lives probably use 10% or less of the computational ability of their CONSCIOUS mind. It doesn't take much to make a cup of tea and watch Eastenders, and we're not all sitting around figuring out complex equations or pondering theoretical physics, or constantly trying to solve difficult puzzles. Most of that conscious part lies idle a lot of the time during "simple" tasks. But we do have access to all of it and it can be trained to be more efficient. But that "thinking" part of the brain is relatively small anyway, the majority of the brain is taken up by other involuntary functions. Processing vision and sound and other senses, regulating bodily functions, storing memories, controlling motion... All of those everyday things... And all of that is used. Even when it isn't active, that's still what it's reserved for, it's not like we can just borrow some processing power from the occipital lobe and use it to solve a sudoku.

And of course, some people just don't have much to begin with and probably use about 80% of their conscious mind to make tea. And still spill it. :joker:

[Kizzy]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mala74Dfhy1rv0z0oo1_400.gif

[Niamh.]

lol TS, Lucy was fairly crap btw, it started off ok but got more and more ridiculous the more she "unlocked" :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

And of course, some people just don't have much to begin with and probably use about 80% of their consciouind to make tea. And still spill it.[/B] :joker:

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[kirklancaster]

lol TS, Lucy was fairly crap btw, it started off ok but got more and more ridiculous the more she "unlocked" :hehe:

I watched it too and thought that. I got the distinct impression that the writer didn't know where to really go with his premise from about midway through the script and just 'fudged' the rest.

[kirklancaster]

There is No Other Earth

In some Tibber's minds there is; 'Fuller's'. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I watched it too and thought that. I got the distinct impression that the writer didn't know where to really go with his premise from about midway through the script and just 'fudged' the rest.

Lucy Spoiler :

the very end especially was just ridiculous, when she just merged with electrical stuff :laugh:

[arista]

There is No Other Earth


Yes there is
they have found it
but its so far way away

[kirklancaster]

Lucy

the very end especially was just ridiculous, when she just merged with electrical stuff :laugh:

:laugh: Yeah I dare not use the kettle or iron for a week :joker:

[user104658]

lol TS, Lucy was fairly crap btw, it started off ok but got more and more ridiculous the more she "unlocked" :hehe:
See, watching that trailer has saved me two hours that I would otherwise never have gotten back!

[user104658]

Lucy Spoiler :

the very end especially was just ridiculous, when she just merged with electrical stuff [emoji23]
Hold on, so it has pretty much exactly the same storyline as "The Lawnmower Man"?

[Niamh.]

Hold on, so it has pretty much exactly the same storyline as "The Lawnmower Man"?

I vaguely remember watching that when It came out, I don't really remember the plot very well though

[user104658]

I vaguely remember watching that when It came out, I don't really remember the plot very well though
I don't think it's exactly the same obviously but

A guy with below-average intelligence is used in an experiment by a random scientist who thinks he can make him smarter by unlocking his brain, but it goes too far and he becomes super intelligent, starts developing strange abilities, and in the end basically abandons his body and "uploads" his mind.

Obviously not the same but suspiciously similar in concept and conclusion! So the ending of Lucy isn't just nonsense, it's unoriginal nonsense.

[Niamh.]

I don't think it's exactly the same obviously but

A guy with below-average intelligence is used in an experiment by a random scientist who thinks he can make him smarter by unlocking his brain, but it goes too far and he becomes super intelligent, starts developing strange abilities, and in the end basically abandons his body and "uploads" his mind.

Obviously not the same but suspiciously similar in concept and conclusion! So the ending of Lucy isn't just nonsense, it's unoriginal nonsense.

Ah that makes it even worse then :nono:

[empire]

nobody hear heard of the anunnaki, angels who fell from the sky, there are also statues of them found in the 1920s,

[Northern Monkey]

I don't think it's exactly the same obviously but

A guy with below-average intelligence is used in an experiment by a random scientist who thinks he can make him smarter by unlocking his brain, but it goes too far and he becomes super intelligent, starts developing strange abilities, and in the end basically abandons his body and "uploads" his mind.

Obviously not the same but suspiciously similar in concept and conclusion! So the ending of Lucy isn't just nonsense, it's unoriginal nonsense.

Never saw the Lawnmower Man but i did see Lucy and that is extremely similar.That's annoyed me now.

[Nedusa]

nobody hear heard of the anunnaki, angels who fell from the sky, there are also statues of them found in the 1920s,

The Annunaki is one of the main ancient astronaut theory's, it is said they are a race of advanced beings approx 9 foot tall who came to this Earth millenia ago and created us from their own DNA perhaps combining it with Neanderthal Man. (Nobody has ever explained the missing link between Homo Erectus and Homo Sapien)

It is said they put us to work as slaves mining Gold or some other precious commodity, They eventually left Earth and left us to our fate. it is reported they return periodically say every 10,000 years , so we may expect a visit very soon.

These beings are recorded in Ancient history and folklore by nearly all civilisations and many cave paintings depict these beings.

Second Coming of Christ perhaps..........???

[Crimson Dynamo]

i would say no

the other theory, being far more mundane, seems more logical

[kirklancaster]

i would say no

the other theory, being far more mundane, seems more logical

"You're right to disagree. LT gets to place his cross in the grid" (remember 'Celebrity Squares'? :laugh:)

Stitchin and his 'Annunaki' and 'Nibiru' 12th planet theories have been totally debunked by many respected scholars and even some 'Ancient Alien' believers.

[user104658]

Just had an interesting thought reading that, though. There could have been some sort of precious resource on earth mined and stolen by aliens and we would never even know it existed! If, say, hypothetically they had some technology that could detect it, so they got every last tiny bit on the entire planet... There would be none left to find.

[user104658]

If it's true then technically a I've discovered the concept, so obviously it will have to be called Toysoldierium.

[user104658]

Or maybe just Toysoldium? Hmmmm

[Nedusa]

i would say no

the other theory, being far more mundane, seems more logical

what other theory is that ??

[Nedusa]

Probably the " Nobody really has a clue and so believes in any old nonsense" Theory

This seems to be the main Theory for the last 2,000 years

[kirklancaster]

Probably the " Nobody really has a clue and so believes in any old nonsense" Theory

This seems to be the main Theory for the last 2,000 years

:joker: If it doesn't come in a bottle and doesn't smell and taste like whisky then it should not be worshiped theory. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Or maybe just Toysoldium? Hmmmm

:joker: Sounds like a Roman General.

[Kizzy]

nobody hear heard of the anunnaki, angels who fell from the sky, there are also statues of them found in the 1920s,

I have, they're supposedly 'the watchers' from the bible.

Numbers 13:27-33New International Version (NIV)

27 They gave Moses this account: “We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit. 28 But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. We even saw descendants of Anak there. 29 The Amalekites live in the Negev; the Hittites, Jebusites and Amorites live in the hill country; and the Canaanites live near the sea and along the Jordan.”

30 Then Caleb silenced the people before Moses and said, “We should go up and take possession of the land, for we can certainly do it.”

31 But the men who had gone up with him said, “We can’t attack those people; they are stronger than we are.” 32 And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, “The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. 33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”

[Northern Monkey]

Really this theory is just a distraction from the really big questions.
If this is true....So what?It does'nt actually answer anything.
How were these 9ft tall aliens created?Did some more aliens create them?
The chain had to begin somewhere.
These theories just distract us from the questions which we are not clever enough to answer.
The real questions are these -

1.What was here before the big bang created our universe?
2.Is it really a universe or a multiverse?
3.If there was something before the big bang then what was it and how did it come into existence?
4.If there was nothing then.....What is nothing?
5.If it was god then how did god come into existence?
6.What is existense

[Kizzy]

I think we should stop thinking before we blow a gasket paul :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

I think we should stop thinking before we blow a gasket paul :laugh:

Ha.I think i just broke the thread.:joker:

[user104658]

Those aren't even the main problems, eyebahpah! Throw into the mix the fact that we already strongly hypothesise that "time" is not actually linear, it only appears so from our limited perspective of space-time. With that being the case; the word "before", in terms of existence, is actually meaningless. There is no "before", "after" or "now"... No beginning nor end... As all of those words are dependent on the linear progression of time.

[Northern Monkey]

Those aren't even the main problems, eyebahpah! Throw into the mix the fact that we already strongly hypothesise that "time" is not actually linear, it only appears so from our limited perspective of space-time. With that being the case; the word "before", in terms of existence, is actually meaningless. There is no "before", "after" or "now"... No beginning nor end... As all of those words are dependent on the linear progression of time.Yes that is another head****.Thinking about this stuff sends me abit mental.lol

[Kizzy]

Let's just watch this for a bit Paul :worry:
http://www.sweetcomments.net/images/animals/kittens.gif

[user104658]

No let's upset ourselves with universe stuff!

http://lcogt.net/files/styles/fourcol-image/public/jbarton/Star-sizes.jpg

[Nedusa]

No let's upset ourselves with universe stuff!

http://lcogt.net/files/styles/fourcol-image/public/jbarton/Star-sizes.jpg

So how many times would Earth fit into VY Canis Majoris

Answers on a postcard......

[user104658]

So how many times would Earth fit into VY Canis Majoris

Answers on a postcard......
Google answers says... Haha... 70,000,000,000,000,000. 70 Quadrillion planet earths.

And that's just one star in an ocean of stars - estimates of between 100 billion and 400 billion stars in our own galaxy, and up to 500 billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Potentially upwards of 50 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 stars in the universe, taking into account the variable size of galaxies.

It's mind boggling. I hate and love thinking about this stuff in equal measure.

... And yet even with figures like those, people still question whether or not there is other intelligent life in the universe :joker:. This entire planet isn't even a speck of dust.

[Nedusa]

Google answers says... Haha... 70,000,000,000,000,000. 70 Quadrillion planet earths.

And that's just one star in an ocean of stars - estimates of between 100 billion and 400 billion stars in our own galaxy, and up to 500 billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Potentially upwards of 50 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 stars in the universe, taking into account the variable size of galaxies.

It's mind boggling. I hate and love thinking about this stuff in equal measure.

... And yet even with figures like those, people still question whether or not there is other intelligent life in the universe :joker:. This entire planet isn't even a speck of dust.

Amazing...... and we haven't even touched on the Unobservable Universe, God only knows how big that is. Or other Universes as per the Multiverse theory...

All I know is we are very very small and insignificant in the Grand scheme of things.

[user104658]

Amazing...... and we haven't even touched on the Unobservable Universe, God only knows how big that is. Or other Universes as per the Multiverse theory...

All I know is we are very very small and insignificant in the Grand scheme of things.
Yep, definitely possible that there are countless billion multiverses too, and who knows? Maybe those are grouped into something bigger again and there are billions of those bigger groups.

I do start feeling a bit ill if I give it too much thought, hah.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Google answers says... Haha... 70,000,000,000,000,000. 70 Quadrillion planet earths.

And that's just one star in an ocean of stars - estimates of between 100 billion and 400 billion stars in our own galaxy, and up to 500 billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Potentially upwards of 50 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 stars in the universe, taking into account the variable size of galaxies.

It's mind boggling. I hate and love thinking about this stuff in equal measure.

... And yet even with figures like those, people still question whether or not there is other intelligent life in the universe :joker:. This entire planet isn't even a speck of dust.

Its a wonder god had time to get cross about the incident in the garden of eden after making all of them

:hehe:

[lostalex]

We have seeded new life ourselves. Using invitro fertilization, also creating new species with genetics and cloning, and of course eugenics by nazi;s and slave owners trying to create better humans.. If there are aliens, it's not crazy to assume they would have experimented with genetics as well.

[user104658]

We have seeded new life ourselves. Using invitro fertilization, also creating new species with genetics and cloning, and of course eugenics by nazi;s and slave owners trying to create better humans.. If there are aliens, it's not crazy to assume they would have experimented with genetics as well.
Maybe they were experimenting and created humans, and then were like "OMG we totally ****ed up, Wtf is this??" but they had some sort of ethics law that meant they couldn't kill failed experiments, so they just sought out a habitable planet and dumped us here...

[arista]

Maybe they were experimenting and created humans, and then were like "OMG we totally ****ed up, Wtf is this??" but they had some sort of ethics law that meant they couldn't kill failed experiments, so they just sought out a habitable planet and dumped us here...


If Aliens get you
they go Anal probe
as they want to look at your Gut

[user104658]

If Aliens get you
they go Anal probe
as they want to look at your Gut
That sounds like an average Tuesday, Arista.

[Northern Monkey]

Now here is a probem
http://youtu.be/JF61lhEeGng

[user104658]

But if there is no such thing as the individual and we are all interconnected... Then on some level... The Truth is a woman, Kirklancaster is a Muslim, and Arista is a carbon-based life form! TiBB will implode.

[Northern Monkey]

But if there is no such thing as the individual and we are all interconnected... Then on some level... The Truth is a woman, Kirklancaster is a Muslim, and Arista is a carbon-based life form! TiBB will implode.Yep and on some level i'm a gay muslim skinny over weight butch lesbian Tory feminist who is against replacing Trident but wants to Nuke the world and create a democratic new world order dictatirship:dance:

[Kizzy]

LUFv4rbBkhg
http://www.ubuntuparty.co.uk/

[kirklancaster]

LUFv4rbBkhg
http://www.ubuntuparty.co.uk/

:facepalm: Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear... I cannot believe that intelligent people who ridicule people of orthodox faith for their belief in a Supernatural Deity, gullibly swallow this utter drivel about Super-technological Deities. :shrug:

Zecharia Stitchin was a fraudster who made a lot of money by peddling unsubstantiated 'We were created by Aliens' garbage to susceptible people, and Michael Tellinger is very successfully following the same get rich quick route - along with other routes Stitchin never dreamt of.

On his 'Ubuntu' website:

http://http://www.michaeltellinger.com/ubuntu-cont.php

Tellinger champions the 'Ubuntu' movement - " A BLUEPRINT FOR A NEW SOCIAL STRUCTURE" - and deftly melds this movement into his B.S. Stitchin-based books and videos on ET Gods. Here is an excerpt from it:

"Money
Most people are under the incorrect assumption that money is the consequence of human evolution and thousands of years of barter and trade.

As hard as this may be for some people to accept, that is an incorrect assumption. Meticulous scrutiny of our human history shows very clearly that money was introduced several thousand years ago, by a small group of royal political elites as the supreme tool of enslavement of the masses.

Since the very first introduction of money this small group of very powerful individuals have controlled the printing and supply of money, and thereby control the activities on planet Earth.

Money is the obstacle to all progress and the cause of all misery on Earth.
Money is the major contributing factor to the gross separation and segregation in society.
Money is the cause of 99% of crime.
Money causes families to fall apart.
Money is the driving force behind ego, gluttony, jealousy, greed, envy and all the ugliest aspects of humanity.

The solution is quite clear. REMOVE the problem.

Remove MONEY from society."

You can read more of this crap on the Ubuntu website, although it is of course, not money which is the cause of all evil, but HUMAN greed for money.

That aside, I am struck by the fact that despite espousing the above creed, Tellinger has made, and is increasingly making, colossal amounts of MONEY from a succession of best-selling books, videos, world tour lectures, and from a Bar, Bistro and museum which he has opened at the very site which all those books, videos, websites and world lectures tours are driving the nutjobs to in their thousands:

"Author, scientist (he is not a scientist at all) explorer, Michael Tellinger, has created a haven for travellers and tourists on the N4 to Nelspruit. The perfect stop-over by the Elands River in the mountainous town of Waterval Boven, for the hungry and the curious travellers. Consisting of a small country bistro, bar, bookshop AND museum, Michael aims to turn Stone Circle Bistro into a place where new-age thinkers meet and share ideas, and host regular talks and events with fascinating guest speakers."

Not bad for the chief proponent of Ubuntu with its self-declared denouncement of all things monetary. I wonder where Tellinger keeps all that loot he's making if he deplores banks so much?

In 2010 Tellinger was also accused of fraud after he started a 'Charity' for one of his friends - Credo Mutwa - and this below is an excerpt from from Tellinger's denial statement:

"An anonymous, faceless individual, who states that he
represents a large organisation of over 10,000 people, donated a large sum of money towards Credo Mutwa (one of Tellinger's friends ) which he paid into my account. I have been accused of keeping the money and not paying it to Credo, thereby stealing large amounts of money from him."

To be fair, later in the statement Tellinger does publicly challenge his 'anonymous' accuser to identify himself and prove his allegations, but in the spirit of 'the 'No Smoke Without Fire' based witch-hunt of Cliff Richard on another thread, I thought I'd put this out there concerning this 'New Age' Evangelist.

Follow the links below, and you will see; Stitchin comprehensively debunked, 'Ancient Aliens' comprehensively debunked, and most of 'Money-Man' false Apostle Michael Tellinger's claims in the video I am responding to, debunked.

I say; 'most' because, although Tellinger's 'Stitchin-based' Anunnaki/Nibiru based crud is irrefutably wrong, and although their are grave problems with his 'so-called' 'Adam's Calender', I do not agree with 'mainstream experts' opinions that the millions of stone geometric structures are 'kralls', and I do believe that, here at least, Tellinger is 'onto something' - though not 'Annunaki' power centres and human (Adamu) cloning compounds as he contends.

One point to illustrate how banal Tellinger's 'theories' really are; is that he explains away the complete dearth of every scrap of archeological evidence, which would corroborate his looneytunes claim that huge hordes of cloned slave humans inhabited the site, by saying that a catastrophic flood 'washed away all traces of these Annunaki engineered slave humans.

Oh yeah, but it left the weakly built stack-stone walls of 'millions' of stone circles intact?

In short;

A) Stitchin's claims are a pile of crap.
B) 90% of Tellinger's claims are built on Stitchin's claims.
C) The other 10% is more crackpot theory than scientific fact - despite what Tellinger states as fact.

Follow the links and see for yourself:

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm

http://http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/

http://http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/anunnaki/

http://http://01universe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/south-african-crank-of-week-michael.html

http://http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Debunking-Giants-in-the-Granites-20130514

I really recommend the 'Ancient Aliens Debunked' video and the 'Ancient Aliens debunked References and Transcripts.

[Kizzy]

Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear... I cannot believe that intelligent people who ridicule people of orthodox faith for their belief in a Supernatural Deity, gullibly swallow this utter drivel about Super-technological Deities.

Bit hypocritical for you to be so dismissive of my beliefs and yet yours are to be held as the truth... even though neither have any concrete evidence.

Am I surprised however?... No.

[kirklancaster]

Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear... I cannot believe that intelligent people who ridicule people of orthodox faith for their belief in a Supernatural Deity, gullibly swallow this utter drivel about Super-technological Deities.

Bit hypocritical for you to be so dismissive of my beliefs and yet yours are to be held as the truth... even though neither have any concrete evidence.

Am I surprised however?... No.

Circular argument Kizzy. My very first paragraph precludes your response.

[Kizzy]

I'm not arguing... I have my view I don't care what yours is, or what you think of mine.

[kirklancaster]

I'm not arguing... I have my view I don't care what yours is, or what you think of mine.

I am not arguing either Kizzy. I have never mocked anyone's religion, but you have mocked Christianity, God, Jesus and The Virgin Mary numerous times in posts for no reason at all and off topic. This being so, I really don't understand your response or your claim that it is me who is hypocritical - 'Ancient Alien Theory' is NOT a religion, Christianity is.

There is also far more persuasive circumstantial evidence and written testimony to justify my beliefs, but none to justify Stitchin, Tellinger, Von Daniken et al only a wealth of evidence and written testimony from experts which exposes their theories for the crapola they are - whether that's your belief or not and whether you choose to ignore such expert testimony or not.

You have a right to believe what you want as I have.

Years ago when I was 'searching' for some answers to life, I researched different religions, a lot of philosophies and even thought about whether God was super-technological instead of supernatural - long before 'Chariot of The Gods' was published. Once it was published, I believed most of Von Daniken's theories and collected HUNDREDS of books on 'Ancient Aliens' to Earth Mythologies to Carlos Castanada's 'Don Juan'.

I still believed in Ancient Aliens when I chose to become a Christian (but not that they seeded life on Earth) but over the years - as I have read more - I realise that far from enriching our minds, Ancient Alien authors and proponents. are merely enriching themselves - financially -- hence my points about Tellinger.

I did not realise that you 'believed' in this stuff as if it were a religion.

[Kizzy]

I am not arguing either Kizzy. I have never mocked anyone's religion, but you have mocked Christianity, God, Jesus and The Virgin Mary numerous times in posts for no reason at all and off topic. This being so, I really don't understand your response or your claim that it is me who is hypocritical - 'Ancient Alien Theory' is NOT a religion, Christianity is.

There is also far more persuasive circumstantial evidence and written testimony to justify my beliefs, but none to justify Stitchin, Tellinger, Von Daniken et al only a wealth of evidence and written testimony from experts which exposes their theories for the crapola they are - whether that's your belief or not and whether you choose to ignore such expert testimony or not.

You have a right to believe what you want as I have.

Years ago when I was 'searching' for some answers to life, I researched different religions, a lot of philosophies and even thought about whether God was super-technological instead of supernatural - long before 'Chariot of The Gods' was published. Once it was published, I believed most of Von Daniken's theories and collected HUNDREDS of books on 'Ancient Aliens' to Earth Mythologies to Carlos Castanada's 'Don Juan'.

I still believed in Ancient Aliens when I chose to become a Christian (but not that they seeded life on Earth) but over the years - as I have read more - I realise that far from enriching our minds, Ancient Alien authors and proponents. are merely enriching themselves - financially -- hence my points about Tellinger.

I did not realise that you 'believed' in this stuff as if it were a religion.

I have never mocked or said I don't believe in god, It's organised religions I have an issue with.
I don't have any provisos or rules attached to what I believe, nor do I accept any labels. My beliefs are personal.

[Livia]

Everybody's beliefs are personal.

[Kizzy]

I've never suggested any different.

[user104658]

Everybody's beliefs are personal.

Everyone's beliefs are my business, actually.

[JoshBB]

Everybody's beliefs are personal.

Agreed. Atheism is not an intellectual achievement, the same way any religion also is not.

I've never suggested any different.

I believe this to be true based off of most of your views.