Travellers?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Misunderstood, hated on for no reason or thieving scumbags

how do you feel and do you know any?

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[Firewire]

don't know any so can't judge

[Jake.]

A previous shift manager of mine was one... Still friends with her now. One of the kindest people I've ever had the pleasure to meet

[arista]

They should clear up their Rubbish
making sure its in one small section - to be taken away

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[the truth]

the vast majority are awful people allowed to break the law at will who rob steal, avoid tax, destroy the environment, allow their ponies to run amock , to abuse beat people up and generally ruin parts of the town

[Livia]

There's a Romany camp not far from me. It's spotless. They restore the old horse-drawn caravans and they're really nice people. It's the scumbags that thieve, dump rubbish and are generally a pain in the arse that makes it bad for all travellers.

[Marsh.]

Like any other group of people, you get the good and the bad.

[DemolitionRed]

I was once driving back from my own horses and saw this piebald stallion running down a main road. I had the right gear with me and so I headed after him and managed to catch him. I took him along to the nearest farm and popped him in an empty stable. He’d attracted a real crowd and someone told me the horse belonged to this very notorious gypsy who lived in a very large house further up the road. I drove up to the house and was met at the door by a very intimidating looking skin head withe a thick Irish accent. It was his horse so I offered him a lift down to the farm. When we arrived there were two police cars and a very irate looking farmer’s wife. Up until then the gypsy/tinker had been really nice but I saw the other side of him when the police confronted him; he had no regard for them at all and it was obvious that the police were very intimidated by him.

The police then said they needed to question me about the saddle in the back of my car. Apparently this guy was known for breaking into tack rooms and stealing saddles. Fortunately I had a load of witnesses who explained my involvement.

I’ll always remember the gypsy guys words to me as he left. He told me if I ever needed someone sorting out to come to him because he owed me a favour! I never did take him up on that offer but I have to admit, I was tempted a few times!!

[arista]

There's a Romany camp not far from me. It's spotless. They restore the old horse-drawn caravans and they're really nice people. It's the scumbags that thieve, dump rubbish and are generally a pain in the arse that makes it bad for all travellers.



Yes they are the Good ones
Respect to them

[DemolitionRed]

Tinkers have a bad rep for crime and fly tipping. Gypsies have a reputation for having spotless homes and working for a living.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Like any other group of people, you get the good and the bad.

so why do they have such a terrible reputation and say, Anglicans or Pagans or Morris Dancers or Chinese immigrants or well you get my point..dont?

[Josy]

I do know some yes, there is a family near me that have been here for years, they stayed here when the rest of the travellers moved on, they keep the land they live on spotless, they have horse drawn carts that we see going up and down the road to the shops etc, they have horses in the ground next to them and in the summer they allow the kids to pet/feed them, they are lovely people.

Just like with most things I don't think you can band them all into one category and say 'oh they are all criminals' etc, that's deeply insulting IMO.

[Marsh.]

so why do they have such a terrible reputation and say, Anglicans or Pagans or Morris Dancers or Chinese immigrants or well you get my point..dont?

Why do the working class have such a terrible reputation? Because people generalise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do the working class have such a terrible reputation? Because people generalise.


Who says they have a terrible rep. Do you mean chavs?

[Iceman]

Lovely people. I interviewed a member of the travelling community for my thesis. So honest and upfront about his life and how he's been treated.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lovely people. I interviewed a member of the travelling community for my thesis. So honest and upfront about his life and how he's been treated.

so you are basing your view on one person?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is not racist to state that gypsy camps frequently cause an increase in crime and mess - it is a statement of fact

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1105510/It-racist-state-gypsy-camps-frequently-cause-increase-crime-mess--statement-fact.html#ixzz3S82P29DD

[DemolitionRed]

I like the French attitude towards nationalized gypsies, at least around the French Alps. They have zero tolerance for crime and unlike British police, are not intimidated by them but they also have a huge amount of respect for them and so do the French people. They encourage them to use their old passed down craft skills like basket weaving and give them a free pitch to sell their wares. They don't see a problem with them living off the grid providing they are law abiding.

There are loads of gypsies living around Briancon and I've never heard of any trouble.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I like the French attitude towards nationalized gypsies, at least around the French Alps. They have zero tolerance for crime and unlike British police, are not intimidated by them but they also have a huge amount of respect for them and so do the French people. They encourage them to use their old passed down craft skills like basket weaving and give them a free pitch to sell their wares. They don't see a problem with them living off the grid providing they are law abiding.

There are loads of gypsies living around Briancon and I've never heard of any trouble.

yes perhaps the solution is to catch the crims

[Iceman]

so you are basing your view on one person?

I did an 8,000 word thesis on the travelling community. It's based on many accounts from the community. I did however do some primary research which was that interview I mentioned above.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I did an 8,000 word thesis on the travelling community. It's based on many accounts from the community. I did however do some primary research which was that interview I mentioned above.

I understand, thank you

[Nedusa]

There're not a problem as long as they are nowhere near you or your town/village , if they are then they are an absolute fcuking nightmare.

[waterhog]

very good topic to the OP. a tricky one again ? but like all people - you have good and bad and after seeing my paddy on my big fat gypsy wedding - well i am biased as i love them and have respect for them.

not sure if i did propose to paddy but if i never i will now and i will sell the rights to ch4 for a follow up of our wedding ok paddy ? speak now or for ever hold your silence.

[Marsh.]

Who says they have a terrible rep. Do you mean chavs?

It's an example. :inamood:

There are stereotypes and groups of people who get demonised based on generalisations.

You can't lump everyone together.

[InOne]

They dominate a whole area in my city. They don't treat their horses well and basically Let them run riot.

I've come across travelers twice - a man and woman asked to 'borrow a line', god knows who they were calling. Then the second time a load came in my local. They were from N.Ireland but traveled all over Europe. You know it's travelers as soon as they walk in, they make sure of it! Me and a few mates had a game of killa with them and I won so all in all it was a good night. They were interesting to talk to and a nice bunch.

[Northern Monkey]

I'd say,Some good,Some not so good.Same as any group of people.
Many years ago(maybe 12)When i was younger i worked in a sports store and there was a camp not far from it at certain times of the year.
They would come in with big wads of cash and one or two of them would buy something while the others went around trying to shoplift.We basically had to follow them around so they could'nt nick stuff.

[Vicky.]

I know a fair few, and from my experience most are self entitled violent pricks. I know them via working in a bar that a group always frequent when they come up this way. One of them once threatened to shoot me for refusing to give him free drink :facepalm:

Another brought his son in and was playing pool with him and the kid beat him and he punched this 13 year old right in the face and started going mental about disrespect :bored:

Obviously all won't be like this (I bloody hope not anyway) but yeah..my personal experience hasnt been too grand

[the truth]

The irish gypsy travellers Ive met and Ive met hundreds of them do in the vats majority follow the predictable behaviour pattern...aggressive disrespectful dishonest , they do not pay their way , they allow their horses to run wild. they threaten publicans and are often seen to be fighting in gangs....theyre distrusted and disliked in these parts for legitimate reasons...yes there are exceptions to the rule but theyre exceptions the majority behave in this disgusting way, usually because they know they will get away with it because people and cops especially are scared of them. I could give specific examples a vast number but Id better not for fear of reprisals

[kirklancaster]

it's an example. :inamood:

there are stereotypes and groups of people who get demonised based on generalisations.

you can't lump everyone together.

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[Benjamin]

Who says they have a terrible rep. Do you mean chavs?

Not all chavs are bad :nono:

[Kizzy]

I really want that writing desk!

[JoshBB]

don't know any so can't judge

Same as this. I won't let mainstream media or societal reputation generalise a group of people and mislead me into thinking all travelers are all some kind of trashy drunk.

[the truth]

Same as this. I won't let mainstream media or societal reputation generalise a group of people and mislead me into thinking all travelers are all some kind of trashy drunk.

its ignorant to assume everyone opinions on travellers is based on drivel from the talbloids....ive had vast experience dealing with travellers and I speak from these many painful experiences as do many people...these are first hand experiences with a similar pattern throughout.

[Kizzy]

It is not racist to state that gypsy camps frequently cause an increase in crime and mess - it is a statement of fact

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1105510/It-racist-state-gypsy-camps-frequently-cause-increase-crime-mess--statement-fact.html#ixzz3S82P29DD

The gospel according to St Mail.

Gypsy, chav, immigrant, lone parents.. there's a proverb for all

[Vicky.]

its ignorant to assume everyone opinions on travellers is based on drivel from the talbloids....ive had vast experience dealing with travellers and I speak from these many painful experiences as do many people...these are first hand experiences with a similar pattern throughout.

The problem is, as with other things, its generally the bad types that are most obvious.

I can only speak of the travellers that actually roam around (I know some have more permanent homes, but to me..thats not a traveller :umm2: ) but for all I know, I have met more than the one group I mentioned but some keep themselves to themselves and just dont shout on about being gypsies like that lot do, if that makes sense?

[the truth]

and they don't pay taxes like the rest of civilization. the local coouncils pay to have the gypsy children taken to school and even build their toilets on their rent free camps.....theres even incident where the gypsies smash up their own toilets and sell off the lead and copper and slate....for profit....then demand a new toilet off the council (taxpayers again) no consequences just hand outs and its somehow racist to point out the facts and the truth. the lily livered liberals have created this fiasco yet again with their fantasy world politics. they love wasting other peoples money with no accountability

[Dollface]

I've only known 2, when i was younger.
They don't treat animals very well.

[the truth]

I've only known 2, when i was younger.
They don't treat animals very well.

the travellers ive known let their ponies run around the town, the cops have to herd them up at huge expense again to the tax payer....I know a few stories where their ponies got herded up by the cops...then handed to the animal welfare then take to auction..on the way to the auction the travllers followed the bloke in the van and attacked him with a knife and demanded he let the ponies go free....this im told they do frequently as it means they use the animal welfare people to pay to feed and get the ponies their injections for free and then they steal them back.....of course the loony liberals wont accept any of these stories are true because everything is racist to them even the truth.

[kirklancaster]

The gospel according to St Mail.

Gypsy, chav, immigrant, lone parents.. there's a proverb for all

Why is the truth so horrendous? Why does other people's very honest depictions of personal direct experiences incite such mockery and denial? Why do they invoke such veiled accusations of racism, right wing extremism, or even allegations of lying?

A) There are clean, animal loving, law abiding, respectful Gypsies/Travelers.

B) Then, there are dirty, thieving, animal abusing, lawless, Gypsies/Travelers who do not respect anyone or anything, and who leave previously scenic tracts of countryside littered with refuse, the cost of clearing and restoration of which falls to those hard pressed locals who pay rates - unlike the perpetrators who pay neither rates nor income tax.

A) There are lone parents who are rendered single by often unfortunate or even tragic circumstances who - having brought children in to the world - work hard, make personal sacrifices, and struggle with limited resources to raise those children to be as educated, respectful, and decent as any children from the best of more affluent, two parent families.

B) Then there are ignorant, lazy, moral-less lone parent mothers on benefits who breed children like flies as a result of unprotected casual sex with many different partners - all as ignorant, lazy, and moral-less as her and none of whom have any concerns at all for the children they have created, and none of whom 'stick around' to fulfill 'parental' responsibilities as a result.

The children are often 'dragged up', often poorly educated and without any kind of moral instruction or respect for others, or respect for the law, and they learn by example; the girls often going on to become single mothers on benefits at a very early age with multiple children to different fathers, and the boys often go on to a life on benefits and to 'father' multiple children to different partners and end up as criminals, drug addicts or alcoholics.

A) There are immigrants who come to the UK from war-torn, or economically deprived countries, or to escape murderous medieval regimes, for a better life in a democracy. They respect our laws, respect our way of life and they work hard - often undertaking low paid menial or laborious jobs - and they become decent patriotic citizens who contribute to society.

B) Then there are immigrants who flock here to exploit our very lax benefit systems, and to start up very lucrative criminal enterprises from running brothels staffed by Eastern European girls, to Cannabis Farming and illegal Taxi Firms, to Drug Dealing.

These immigrants receive benefits and do not pay taxes on their illegal earnings, and they do not pay Council Tax. They do not have any respect for us or our laws - in fact the great majority have a sneering contempt for us - and they operate largely untroubled by our police because of the irrational and obsequious Political Correctness which has permeated every facet of our society.

B) Then there are the certain type of immigrants who continue to come here for more grave purposes; to swell the numbers of covert Islamic fundamentalists who are already here. But enough has been written of them already.

Now, please answer me as to why, when anyone mentions any of the facts concerning those in B) above - even if their opinion is based upon the most extensive of first hand direct experience - it is always irrationally and hysterically perceived as being a 'fascist', 'right wing', or 'racist' attack on those in A) above?

Both those in A) and B) are TRUTHS, and one truth does not negate another.

Blanket denial is plain ludicrous. Fat, greedy, lazy promiscuous, benefit scrounging moral-less single mothers as in B) above, exist - they are real - but to state as much from personal knowledge is not an attack on those single mothers who are outlined under A) above, and it should never be wrongly perceived as such or misconstrued or misrepresented as such.

Devious, non respectful and ungrateful immigrants who come here to exploit our benefits system or for more sinister purposes as in B) above exist - they are real - but to state as much from personal knowledge is not an attack on those immigrants outlined in A) above, or an attack on all immigrants, and it should never be wrongly perceived as such or misconstrued or misrepresented as such.

It is the same with total and instant dismissal out of hand of all articles from certain newspapers. Yes, all newspapers have a mild intrinsic political or general bias, but that does not automatically mean that any article in a given newspaper is completely irrelevant or completely untruthful just because it does not readily dovetail into one's personal staunch ideologies.

No newspaper would be in existence for very long if all it did was publish falsehoods for its own personal political propaganda purposes.

So whilst not everything in the Mail is gospel, it is no less authoritative generally as is the Morning Star - in fact, probably far more so - and while other's direct personal experiences may not be everyone's direct personal experience, it does not mean that their testimony is fabricated or exaggerated.

[the truth]

what a brilliant post. If only the BBC uber liberals could show such balance

[Kizzy]

HAS THE EURO STOLEN THE IDENTITY OF CLIFF RICHARD?

I’m not racist but surely allowing gypsies to flout our British way of life means that things have gone too far? Reading the works of Karl Marx is just not British.

Some leftists will predictably argue that gypsies aren’t reading the works of Karl Marx in reality. But reality has a well known left-wing bias. Beyonce agrees with me, saying today, "If only we had a privitised National Identity scheme this would never have happened".

Let’s kick out the sickos and reclaim our traditional British heritage.

:hehe:

http://charlieharvey.org.uk/daily_mail/

[the truth]

http://charlieharvey.org.uk/daily_mail/[/QUOTE]

lets export all posters who laugh at their own posts. lets allow the loony liberals to preach about the rights of freedom and free speech then immediately see them lock up anyone who disagrees with them and states the actual real life truth

[Kyle]

I'll spare the details but I echo many on this thread tbh. I've had a few experiences with travellers and i absolutely believe in this case they deserve their reputation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[kirklancaster]

HAS THE EURO STOLEN THE IDENTITY OF CLIFF RICHARD?

I’m not racist but surely allowing gypsies to flout our British way of life means that things have gone too far? Reading the works of Karl Marx is just not British.

Some leftists will predictably argue that gypsies aren’t reading the works of Karl Marx in reality. But reality has a well known left-wing bias. Beyonce agrees with me, saying today, "If only we had a privitised National Identity scheme this would never have happened".

Let’s kick out the sickos and reclaim our traditional British heritage.

:hehe:

http://charlieharvey.org.uk/daily_mail/

:shrug: The article this link leads to is totally banal. It is neither humorous nor satirical. Pointless irrelevance really. :shrug: