Two 15 year old school girls & one 16 - out for the day - but flew to Istanbul

[arista]

There is fears they are
going to be brides to Isis killers

One is 16 years old


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/2/20/372015/default/v1/3girlsmetpolice-1-762x428.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1431105/schoolgirls-feared-to-have-travelled-to-syria

[The girls were last seen on Tuesday morning as they left their respective
homes telling their families they would be out for the day.
Instead they met and travelled to Gatwick airport and boarded
a Turkish Airlines flight which landed at Istanbul later that evening.
The missing girls are Shamima Begum, 15, Kadiza Sultana, 16, and a third female aged 15
who is not being named at the request of her family.
The three girls are pupils at a school in east London and are close friends. ]

[Niamh.]

They're in for a real shock if they do end up "brides to ISIS killers". I do feel a bit sorry for them, I don't think at 15 you have a proper grasp of real life

[arista]

They're in for a real shock if they do end up "brides to ISIS killers". I do feel a bit sorry for them, I don't think at 15 you have a proper grasp of real life

one is 16
I wonder if she is the leader.


Some Isis videos are slick and sexy to to some
sadly

[Crimson Dynamo]

pretty bad for the guys at their school

they must be well ugly

[arista]

pretty bad for the guys at their school

they must be well ugly



Its amazing how 15 year old girls
find Isis Killers as sexy.


It must be a slick Isis Army video
that has hooked them to this future?

[Niamh.]

If these girls are rebellious enough to leave their country without saying a word to their families etc how are they going to cope once they're treated like prisoners by their new husbands? I don't think they realise what exactly they're getting themselves into

[Helen 28]

Obviously radicalised, it can happen in weeks.

[arista]

Bethnal Green Academy , East London
they came from
The Police say they hope they can stop them going to Syria?

[arista]

Obviously radicalised, it can happen in weeks.


Yes this is tragic
if they get to Syria

[arista]

If these girls are rebellious enough to leave their country without saying a word to their families etc how are they going to cope once they're treated like prisoners by their new husbands? I don't think they realise what exactly they're getting themselves into


Yes or worse
sex slaves for the men

[T*]

Honestly, How the **** did 3 15 year old girls get on a plane to Istanbul?
wow we need better laws, what the actual ****

[kirklancaster]

I think that their names, ethnicity, and location says it all.

[kirklancaster]

Honestly, How the **** did 3 15 year old girls get on a plane to Istanbul?
wow we need better laws, what the actual ****

A really good point Tom.

[kirklancaster]

pretty bad for the guys at their school

they must be well ugly

:laugh:

[arista]

I think that their names, ethnicity, and location says it all.

Yes but their mums had No idea
this is shocking if we lose
them to Isis killers

[kirklancaster]

Yes but their mums had No idea
this is shocking if we lose
them to Isis killers

I agree Arista, and feel genuine sympathy for their families, but I feel that these girls will be intercepted and saved - if it is not already too late.

Tom has a very valid point of just why three girls of that age travelling to Turkey unchaperoned have not aroused suspicion or set alarm bells ringing.

And what the feck are they doing with the amounts of money necessary to fund such a jaunt at their ages?

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/20/article-2961639-25DFA22600000578-840_964x377.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/20/25DF297600000578-2961639-image-m-56_1424440722592.jpg
[Shamima Begum at Gatwick Airport.
The girls then boarded a
flight to Turkey before going to Syria]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2961639/Fears-grow-three-teenage-schoolgirls-thought-fled-join-ISIS.html#ixzz3SIrJLbDI





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Isis killers

[smudgie]

This is so sad, their parents must be going through hell.

[Z]

Honestly, How the **** did 3 15 year old girls get on a plane to Istanbul?
wow we need better laws, what the actual ****

How did you get on here when you were 9 years old?

Young people have more freedom now than they've ever had before, it's not really that shocking they've managed to do this. They're in for a rude awakening if they get to their end destination.

[Vanessa]

Don't they need their parents consent to travel abroad? :suspect:

[kirklancaster]

Don't they need their parents consent to travel abroad? :suspect:

I thought so Vanessa. It may just be me, but something just doesn't sit right with me about all this.

[Vanessa]

I thought so Vanessa. It may just be me, but something just doesn't sit right with me about all this.

It just sounds really odd.

[MTVN]

I'm not sure of any legal restrictions and most airlines seem pretty liberal with children flying alone from googling it, I bet a lot of teenagers travel alone to visit family and things like that. With one of them being 16 I'm sure they had no problem

[kirklancaster]

I'm not sure of any legal restrictions and most airlines seem pretty liberal with children flying alone from googling it, I bet a lot of teenagers travel alone to visit family and things like that. With one of them being 16 I'm sure they had no problem

That seems crazy to me. Perhaps it's time the government instructed airlines and airports to be vigilant for young girls like this flying unchaperoned to IS linked destinations. Better safe than sorry in these insane times. I don't fancy their chances of returning home undamaged - if at all - if they make it to their destination. So even one child who is stopped will make it worth setting up some sort of vigilance scheme.

[Crimson Dynamo]

as long as we dont let them back in all will be fine

girl bye

[InOne]

as long as we dont let them back in all will be fine

girl bye

Yep. If they took the plunge to go over then they're already too far gone.

[T*]

How did you get on here when you were 9 years old?



this was uncalled for
big forehead

[Suze]

I thought so Vanessa. It may just be me, but something just doesn't sit right with me about all this.

I am inclined to agree with you.

[Kizzy]

I think that their names, ethnicity, and location says it all.

What does it say... There are Muslim girls across the UK, what makes these different?

[kirklancaster]

What does it say... There are Muslim girls across the UK, what makes these different?

Silly question. They left home without telling Momma and flew off to become the child brides of dirty evil murderers who they know are shooting innocent schoolchildren, setting innocent schoolteachers ablaze, executing innocent people all over the world, and callously beheading thousands of innocent, non-combatant HUMANS for absolutely no reason at all.

Apart from those little insignificant trivialities, nothing makes them different - in my world.

[kirklancaster]

I am inclined to agree with you.

Thank God Suze and thank you.

[Kizzy]

Silly question. They left home without telling Momma and flew off to become the child brides of dirty evil murderers who they know are shooting innocent schoolchildren, setting innocent schoolteachers ablaze, executing innocent people all over the world, and callously beheading thousands of innocent, non-combatant HUMANS for absolutely no reason at all.

Apart from those little insignificant trivialities, nothing makes them different - in my world.

Not a silly question at all, you're tarring all Muslims again with the extremist brush.

[kirklancaster]

Not a silly question at all, you're tarring all Muslims again with the extremist brush.

:shrug: Please explain how you deduce your statement from what I have written? I don't mind discussing with anyone, but I'm not dancing your stupid dance anymore so go and vex someone else.

[Kizzy]

I think that their names, of Muslim origin
ethnicity, of Muslim origin
and location,area with a high Muslim population.

'says it all'.

Again, what does it say?

[kirklancaster]

I think that their names, of Muslim origin
ethnicity, of Muslim origin
and location,area with a high Muslim population.

'says it all'.

Again, what does it say?

It says that in my opinion; Muslim girls of this age from a Muslim background with Muslim upbringing, with Islam as their religion, are more prone to fly off and become ISIS brides and join the 'cause' than say, Christian girls of this age from a Christian background with Christian upbringing, with Christianity as their religion, are. Or for that matter, Jewish children or Hindu children or Wiccan children.

Now you prove where I have 'tarred all Muslims with the extremist brush.

You are the one that said; "There are Muslim girls across the UK, what makes these different?" Thereby implying that ALL MUSLIM GIRLS WILL FLY OFF AND JOIN ISIS.

It was me who pointed out the differences between these girls and other Muslim girls.

So again; explain how you can justify saying that I am "tarring all Muslims with the extremist brush".

[Kizzy]

It says that in my opinion; Muslim girls of this age from a Muslim background with Muslim upbringing, with Islam as their religion, are more prone to fly off and become ISIS brides and join the 'cause' than say, Christian girls of this age from a Christian background with Christian upbringing, with Christianity as their religion, are. Or for that matter, Jewish children or Hindu children or Wiccan children.

Now you prove where I have 'tarred all Muslims with the extremist brush.

You are the one that said; "There are Muslim girls across the UK, what makes these different?" Thereby implying that ALL MUSLIM GIRLS WILL FLY OFF AND JOIN ISIS.

It was me who pointed out the differences between these girls and other Muslim girls.

So again; explain how you can justify saying that I am "tarring all Muslims with the extremist brush".

Yes I gathered that from your initial post that I quoted.
You made an issue of where they came from, it wouldn't matter if they were from London or Leeds they would be as at risk of radicalisation. I implied nothing.
It has been known for converts to commit acts of terror too, which is why looking at a name, faith and location does not 'say it all' imo.

[Vicky.]

as long as we dont let them back in all will be fine

girl bye

Pretty much my view on this tbh :/

[kirklancaster]

Yes I gathered that from your initial post that I quoted.
You made an issue of where they came from, it wouldn't matter if they were from London or Leeds they would be as at risk of radicalisation. I implied nothing.
It has been known for converts to commit acts of terror too, which is why looking at a name, faith and location does not 'say it all' imo.

I didn't make an 'issue' of where they came from at all. I made a statement, in which their location was only relevant because it is a heavily populated Muslim area, which in conjunction with their Muslim names, was the reason why I formed the opinion which I did - a perfectly logical opinion formed without any trace of racism or xenophobia.

I never said that it would matter if they came from London or Leeds, so your comment is redundant, as is your statement that; "It has been known for converts to commit acts of terror too" - because it is something of which I am fully aware, but which is totally irrelevant in the context of these three girls being Muslim, from a Muslim background, with a Muslim upbringing and Islam already being their faith.

And you did imply by your statement that these girls were no different from other Muslim girls - as anyone actually reading this thread can ascertain for themselves.

I have civilly asked you this before and I will politely ask you again; will you please just ignore my posts and I will reciprocate in kind, because you are really making my time on here unpleasant by your constant sniping and ludicrous misrepresentations of what I am saying and transparent attempts to draw me into arguments.

Thank you in anticipation.

Footnote: This is the third thread now where other members have stated opinions the same as mine, similar to mine, or more extreme than mine, yet you ignore them and choose to 'take issue' with me.

'Transparent' and 'Glass' says it all really.

[arista]

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[Kyle]

The lasses in them photos are showing way too much face but their soon to be husbands will see to that I'm sure.

[InOne]

Hopefully they come down hard on the rest of the family and get to the root cause.

[GypsyGoth]

I think this is slightly different than falling in with a bad crowd or seeking adventure. These girls are rejecting our way of life. They could be just as easily going there to seek training rather than wedlock. If they were three boys they would get locked up if they returned, I hope these are treated the same.

[Kizzy]

I didn't make an 'issue' of where they came from at all. I made a statement, in which their location was only relevant because it is a heavily populated Muslim area, which in conjunction with their Muslim names, was the reason why I formed the opinion which I did - a perfectly logical opinion formed without any trace of racism or xenophobia.

I never said that it would matter if they came from London or Leeds, so your comment is redundant, as is your statement that; "It has been known for converts to commit acts of terror too" - because it is something of which I am fully aware, but which is totally irrelevant in the context of these three girls being Muslim, from a Muslim background, with a Muslim upbringing and Islam already being their faith.

And you did imply by your statement that these girls were no different from other Muslim girls - as anyone actually reading this thread can ascertain for themselves.

I have civilly asked you this before and I will politely ask you again; will you please just ignore my posts and I will reciprocate in kind, because you are really making my time on here unpleasant by your constant sniping and ludicrous misrepresentations of what I am saying and transparent attempts to draw me into arguments.

Thank you in anticipation.

Footnote: This is the third thread now where other members have stated opinions the same as mine, similar to mine, or more extreme than mine, yet you ignore them and choose to 'take issue' with me.

'Transparent' and 'Glass' says it all really.

I'll comment where I see fit, I asked you to clarify your post is all, it wasn't personal and would've asked anyone.

[kirklancaster]

I'll comment where I see fit, I asked you to clarify your post is all, it wasn't personal and would've asked anyone.

Yeah - sure you would have "asked anyone". Anyway, you're right to "comment" where you see fit, and I will also comment whenever I see fit to - as in whenever anyone banally and deceitfully misrepresents what I have said for no other reason than to attack and cause unnecessary argument. :wavey: Bye.

[kirklancaster]

I think this is slightly different than falling in with a bad crowd or seeking adventure. These girls are rejecting our way of life. They could be just as easily going there to seek training rather than wedlock. If they were three boys they would get locked up if they returned, I hope these are treated the same.

I agree Goth - Good riddance. Don't ring us when you want to return, we'll ring you.

[Northern Monkey]

I think that their names, of Muslim origin
ethnicity, of Muslim origin
and location,area with a high Muslim population.

'says it all'.

Again, what does it say?

Well realistically you're not gonna get 3 Christian or Jewish or Athiest girls going over to marry ISIS terrorists are you?

[kirklancaster]

Well realistically you're not gonna get 3 Christian or Jewish or Athiest girls going over to marry ISIS terrorists are you?

:clap1::clap1::clap1: How, I love a voice of intelligent reason.

[Kizzy]

Well realistically you're not gonna get 3 Christian or Jewish or Athiest girls going over to marry ISIS terrorists are you?

Why not? look at the white widow she did?....

[Northern Monkey]

Why not? look at the white widow she did?....

A one off.
When a story like this pops up you can be 99% sure the names of the people involved are of an Arabic origin.

[Kizzy]

A one off.
When a story like this pops up you can be 99% sure the names of the people involved are of an Arabic origin.

Really?...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

[kirklancaster]

A one off.
When a story like this pops up you can be 99% sure the names of the people involved are of an Arabic origin.

I agree Paul - That's what I meant when I said "Say's it all". In other words it was no great surprise.

[Kizzy]

It's not a given though as seen, stereotyping doesn't necessarily apply to radicalised teens so no I don't think you can apply the Muslim? nuff said logic.

[arista]

The romantic vision of Isis Killers
groomed those young girls

[Northern Monkey]

It's not a given though as seen, stereotyping doesn't necessarily apply to radicalised teens so no I don't think you can apply the Muslim? nuff said logic.

Nobodies saying all Muslims are terrorists but these days most terrorists are Muslims.

[JoshBB]

Such a shame.. we need to stop letting under 18's get on planes without parental consent - I thought that was the law anyway tbh

[arista]

The Family of one of the Girls has put out a Statement
saying please go to the Police of any nation.

Also one tweet has been found
of a pick up
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/2/21/372187/default/v1/cegrab-20150221-111321-687-1-480x360.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1431564/family-urge-missing-teen-to-stay-out-of-syria

[arista]

Such a shame.. we need to stop letting under 18's get on planes without parental consent - I thought that was the law anyway tbh


Not with Turkey
they allow 12 year old girls to travel
as its family members in most cases

[kirklancaster]

Nobodies saying all Muslims are terrorists but these days most terrorists are Muslims.

:worship: This is the most succinct yet definitive truth spoken on here so far this year for me. Truly Brilliant.

[user104658]

:worship: This is the most succinct yet definitive truth spoken on here so far this year for me. Truly Brilliant.
:joker: and I thought you didn't understand hyperbole, kirk!

[Kizzy]

Nobodies saying all Muslims are terrorists but these days most terrorists are Muslims.

There is a fair amount of scaremongering going on, when people start making generalisations basted on where people live and their ethnicity then it's not unusual to interpret the issue as that.

[Livia]

I see some Muslim groups are blaming the authorities, the airport, Special Branch... all kinds of agencies for letting them get through the airport. This time last week some Muslim groups were moaning about too much surveillance and intrusion.

The girls have gone with the intention of joining ISIL. They should never be allowed back here.

[Kizzy]

I don't subscribe to that at all I think they should be allowed back they are children who have been brainwashed is all.
If we hear of the methods used to lure these girls it could prevent it happening to others.

To be fair it's natural to want answers with them being minors.

[Livia]

I don't subscribe to that at all I think they should be allowed back they are children who have been brainwashed is all.
If we hear of the methods used to lure these girls it could prevent it happening to others.

To be fair it's natural to want answers with them being minors.

The answers should come from the parents if they are, as you say, children. Their passports probably wouldn't have been checked until the airline checked them. Blame the airline if the parents are to be, as usual, absolved of any responsibility for their own kids. And brainwashed by whom? Brainwashed isn't the same as radicalised.

None of them should ever be allowed back in the country. They are a massive threat to national security and we should take a tough stance rather than let them back in. If they're let back in other young people will know that we're ridiculously liberal as a nation and there will be no consequences if they leave to join a terrorist organisation.

[kirklancaster]

The answers should come from the parents if they are, as you say, children. Their passports probably wouldn't have been checked until the airline checked them. Blame the airline if the parents are to be, as usual, absolved of any responsibility for their own kids. And brainwashed by whom? Brainwashed isn't the same as radicalised.

None of them should ever be allowed back in the country. They are a massive threat to national security and we should take a tough stance rather than let them back in. If they're let back in other young people will know that we're ridiculously liberal as a nation and there will be no consequences if they leave to join a terrorist organisation.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Kizzy]

I don't understand what absolved of any responsibility means in relation to the parents, what could they have done watch teens 24/7.. it's not possible.
What is the difference between brainwashed and radicalised would you say?
They are 15-16yr old girls, and British citizens.
In my opinion it would be reactionary to not allow them back, of course there would be consequenses they would be easier to assess here than there.

[Helen 28]

Once you get to the stage of leaving the country to join a death cult you are too far gone for a telling off from your mom and dad.

They are probably already enrolled on the ISIS breeding programme if they've crossed the border.

I certainly wouldn't ever let them back here as once they have been brainwashed they're far too risky to the general public.

Assuming their parents are telling the truth and they really do want them back I feel sorry for them.

[kirklancaster]

Once you get to the stage of leaving the country to join a death cult you are too far gone for a telling off from your mom and dad.

They are probably already enrolled on the ISIS breeding programme if they've crossed the border.

I certainly wouldn't ever let them back here as once they have been brainwashed they're far too risky to the general public.

Assuming their parents are telling the truth and they really do want them back I feel sorry for them.

:clap1: Good post Helen.

[Kizzy]

Yes it's much easier to monitor people from the other side of the world what am I thinking.... :/

[Northern Monkey]

:worship: This is the most succinct yet definitive truth spoken on here so far this year for me. Truly Brilliant.:smug:

[Northern Monkey]

Hmm.If these girls were 18,19,20 i would 100% be all for never letting them back into Britain.However being 15 and 16 i think i would let them return as they are still children.Their parents must be beside themselves.
I think they were too young and stupid to make the decision they did.
However i think its pretty certain that once they end up in the hands of ISIS there will be no escape.I would think they will regret this decision for the rest of their life.

[InOne]

After all this media attention there's no way they will be coming back. ISIS would kill them first

[empire]

silly pair of girls, really naïve, but younger ones don't think, I also heard that isis is offering nutella and kittens to women, which I found very funny,

[GypsyGoth]

silly pair of girls, really naïve, but younger ones don't think, I also heard that isis is offering nutella and kittens to women, which I found very funny,

Ooo nutella and kittens??!! :amazed:

Now I'm tempted.

[Northern Monkey]

silly pair of girls, really naïve, but younger ones don't think, I also heard that isis is offering nutella and kittens to women, which I found very funny,

God dam ISIS!Stealing my pulling techniques :fist:

[Helen 28]

Hmm.If these girls were 18,19,20 i would 100% be all for never letting them back into Britain.However being 15 and 16 i think i would let them return as they are still children.Their parents must be beside themselves.
I think they were too young and stupid to make the decision they did.
However i think its pretty certain that once they end up in the hands of ISIS there will be no escape.I would think they will regret this decision for the rest of their life.

The old adage if you can't do the time don't do the crime fits this case well.

They may be children on paper but once radicalised there is hardly any chance of a way back. They must agree with all the unbelievable brutality they've seen on tv or they wouldn't have gone.

They are well old enough to understand, they aren't toddlers.

[kirklancaster]

Ooo nutella and kittens??!! :amazed:

Now I'm tempted.

:laugh:

As Arista would say:

No. No go.
Need you here.
Goth stay.

[Z]

this was uncalled for
big forehead

It wasn't intended as an insult, my point was that it's impossible to monitor what kids are doing 24/7, they've made a decision and now they'll have to suffer the consequences - or, they've made a decision and perhaps they'll relish the choice they've made. Of course there is still an outside chance that they've gone to go try and get their friend back as one family member suggested, but I highly doubt it.

[Helen 28]

I see one of the girls families are saying they have never heard of ISIS and don't know anything about them.

They must live without ever coming into contact with the media in any way or they could just be liars.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Stupid girls, everyone in syria would love to escape from there and they go there. I hope they wont die but if they die it is their fault.

[kirklancaster]

It wasn't intended as an insult, my point was that it's impossible to monitor what kids are doing 24/7, they've made a decision and now they'll have to suffer the consequences - or, they've made a decision and perhaps they'll relish the choice they've made. Of course there is still an outside chance that they've gone to go try and get their friend back as one family member suggested, but I highly doubt it.

I totally agree.

[kirklancaster]

I see one of the girls families are saying they have never heard of ISIS and don't know anything about them.

They must live without ever coming into contact with the media in any way or they could just be liars.

I know what I think, and it rhymes with 'Friars'. :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

Stupid girls, everyone in syria would love to escape from there and they go there. I hope they wont die but if they die it is their fault.

Excellent point MelihV.

[Z]

If they've gone to go join the fight, they're in for a rude awakening. A series of rapes followed by a gruesome death seems far more likely than anything else. Silly, silly girls.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/2/28/373891/default/v2/cegrab-20150228-223529-687-1-762x428.jpg

[CCTV footage has emerged appearing
to show the three teenage girls who
are thought to have joined
Islamic State in Syria.
Three girls - believed to be Shamima Begum,
15, Kadiza Sultana, 16,
and 15-year-old Amira Abase - are seen
at a bus station in Istanbul
in the footage, which was shown
on the Turkish television channel A Haber.
The girls are seen wrapped up in
heavy winter jackets, two with
hoods pulled up, and carrying
packed sports bags and holdalls.]

Video
http://news.sky.com/story/1436234/cctv-appears-to-show-missing-london-girls

[Mokka]

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SNL spoofed this story last night.
It was about as funny as the show got so thought I would share

[arista]

SNL spoofed this story last night.
It was about as funny as the show got so thought I would share



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thanks for sharing

[Livia]

Hahahaaaaa.... Mokkajava... made me literally lol.

[Mokka]

Hahahaaaaa.... Mokkajava... made me literally lol.

Me too !!

[Northern Monkey]

ptJMXd02tuk

SNL spoofed this story last night.
It was about as funny as the show got so thought I would share

:laugh::joker: