"The GAYS" are fighting back

[Crimson Dynamo]

:shocked:


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=120_1424796294

[Samm]

*The Gay

[Crimson Dynamo]

*The Gay

from the description

"A man insulted a gay"

:hehe:

[JoshBB]

well, considering im gay as well i guess you could say i am against homophobia..

but seriously, beating him??? awful. i hope he is arrested. violence just makes me angry, especially since he is on the floor and the poor guy is getting kicked still. someone should have helped him. ignorance does not excuse violence.

[Z]

The fruit punch is strong

[kirklancaster]

The fruit punch is strong

:laugh: Oh, absolutely witty... Brilliant Z.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This will dissuade a lot of younger men from joining

[kirklancaster]

from the description

"A man insulted a gay"

:hehe:

Yeah, but this is Brazil isn't it? They're all nuts there.

[Samm]

This will dissuade a lot of younger men from joining

It's not a cult lmao

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not a cult lmao

No but with a cure not far away its time to up the recruitment

[Glenn.]

Such a vicious gay. Give them rights and they think they can do anything.

[Lostie!]

well, considering im gay as well i guess you could say i am against homophobia..

but seriously, beating him??? awful. i hope he is arrested. violence just makes me angry, especially since he is on the floor and the poor guy is getting kicked still. someone should have helped him. ignorance does not excuse violence.

I certainly don't see him as a "poor guy" after his bigoted provocation.

But I don't condone violence either, though some people just snap when they're pushed far enough.

[kirklancaster]

Such a vicious gay. Give them rights and they think they can do anything.

:laugh: I don't know if it was Gay Rights or Gay Lefts or Gay Uppercuts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh: I don't know if it was Gay Rights or Gay Lefts or Gay Uppercuts.

:joker:

[Livia]

You cannot hit and kick someone because they verbally provoked you. Kicking someone in the head while they're on the ground is bloody shameful, whatever he said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Now they are attacking women


:worry:

C5sj0ZZE4d8

[kirklancaster]

I certainly don't see him as a "poor guy" after his bigoted provocation.

But I don't condone violence either, though some people just snap when they're pushed far enough.

He got what he deserved (The punch not the kicking - too far). Don't start what you can't finish.

[Denver]

That man needs a taste of his own medicine voilence is far worse then homophobia

[arista]

The fruit punch is strong


What are you saying
is that code to say
you want him on top of you?

[Samm]

What are you saying
is that code to say
you want him on top of you?

:joker:

[GiRTh]

What are you saying
is that code to say
you want him on top of you?WTF :joker:

[arista]

WTF :joker:


I assume so

[Lostie!]

That man needs a taste of his own medicine voilence is far worse then homophobia

Tell that to the families of victims of homophobia who killed themselves.

Words can be just as harmful and dangerous as actions.

[kirklancaster]

Tell that to the families of victims of homophobia who killed themselves.

Words can be just as harmful and dangerous as actions.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Too true. Like Antisemitism and racism, it's bullying pure and simple, and there is absolutely no justification for any bully to pick on anyone else ever, just because he feels he can. It's always sweet to me when the supposed 'victim' retaliates and 'masters' the bully.

I won't shed any tears for the bastard. If he 'lived and let live' he wouldn't have got a pasting. Simple as.

[Denver]

Tell that to the families of victims of homophobia who killed themselves.

Words can be just as harmful and dangerous as actions.

What gives someone the right to beat someone lifeless? If everyone battered someone everytime the said something nasty to them we would all be serving time in prison

[Lostie!]

What gives someone the right to beat someone lifeless? If everyone battered someone everytime the said something nasty to them we would all be serving time in prison

Sorry? I don't recall suggesting anything of the sort. I wasn't even talking about the video in the post you replied to, merely your claim that "violence is worse than homophobia", which I disagree with because of the amount of people who've died (either through murder or suicide) because of homophobia. Why does either have to be worse when they're both terrible?

As for the video, I don't think the other guy should have done what he did, he went way too far. That said, like I said before people can snap when pushed far enough. His actions being wrong doesn't automatically make the other guy a victim deserving of sympathy if he did indeed taunt him with homophobic slurs imo.

[JoshBB]

Now they are attacking women


:worry:

C5sj0ZZE4d8

Please stop saying 'they'. we are not a collective army or 'one', i am completely disgusted by the violence

[JoshBB]

Such a vicious gay. Give them rights and they think they can do anything.

Yet most (probably all) of ISIS are straight!! Amazing what straight rights can do!!! End straight marriage now! ban them altogether! yuck! abomination

[Denver]

Sorry? I don't recall suggesting anything of the sort. I wasn't even talking about the video in the post you replied to, merely your claim that "violence is worse than homophobia", which I disagree with because of the amount of people who've died (either through murder or suicide) because of homophobia. Why does either have to be worse when they're both terrible?

As for the video, I don't think the other guy should have done what he did, he went way too far. That said, like I said before people can snap when pushed far enough. His actions being wrong doesn't automatically make the other guy a victim deserving of sympathy if he did indeed taunt him with homophobic slurs imo.

But was the man homophobic to start with?

[Lostie!]

But was the man homophobic to start with?

Apparently so, but I did end my post with "if he did indeed taunt him with homophobic slurs" just in case the context of the video has been misrepresented.

[Denver]

Apparently so, but I did end my post with "if he did indeed taunt him with homophobic slurs" just in case the context of the video has been misrepresented.

Thats why all im only really commenting on what was shown as we cant just assume he was homophobic as for all we know it could be his freind trying to make out it was unprovoked imo

[Kizzy]

It doesn't show what the guy did.... it's a really brutal attack though, even if the guy was homophobic it doesn't justify this :/

[Samm]

To be honest I don't really care about the guy if he said something homophobic, the attack is wrong I agree

but this would be getting a different reaction if he said something racist

[the truth]

I certainly don't see him as a "poor guy" after his bigoted provocation.

But I don't condone violence either, though some people just snap when they're pushed far enough.

SO YOU ARE Condoning it, disgraceful:nono:

[Lostie!]

SO YOU ARE Condoning it, disgraceful:nono:
Um, no I'm not (but I get the impression you're just itching for something to be offended and outraged by so feel free to carry on).

[Kizzy]

To be honest I don't really care about the guy if he said something homophobic, the attack is wrong I agree

but this would be getting a different reaction if he said something racist

Racist, sexist, whatever it doesn't excuse this level of violence.

[Glenn.]

No one can really comment unless you're in that situation. Sometime disgusting people deserve disgusting consequences.

[Liam-]

Karma's a bitch.

[coffee]

Punch him, Kick him... Ok. But doing it after he is no longer moving? That made me so sick.
I found it so hard to watch.
I love seeing these videos of "victims" beating up the "bully" but to an extent.
I can't tell if the man is dead and it makes me scared.
Hopefully he has learned his lesson and is still alive to fix his issues.
Hopefully the man beating him up gets he karma he deserves.

[Kizzy]

No one can really comment unless you're in that situation. Sometime disgusting people deserve disgusting consequences.

Never been insulted, oh I have ... I didn't kick them half to death though :/

[kirklancaster]

To be honest I don't really care about the guy if he said something homophobic, the attack is wrong I agree

but this would be getting a different reaction if he said something racist

:clap1: How perfectly true Sam.

[kirklancaster]

No one can really comment unless you're in that situation. Sometime disgusting people deserve disgusting consequences.

:clap1: Absolutely correct. If the bullying prick had kept his fascist opinions to himself and lived and let live, he wouldn't have been whupped. Simple as.

[kirklancaster]

Never been insulted, oh I have ... I didn't kick them half to death though :/

Quite admirable, but your choice of reaction does not automatically render someonme elses as wrong. Who knows if this gay guy had not suffered a lifetime of being bullied because of his own very personal sexuality? Who knows whether he had previously been badly beaten by a gang of fascist homophobic brain-deads, or even hospitalised by such when hopelessly outnumbered?

The simple inescapable truth is; that had the obnoxious bully kept his big mouth shut and lived and let live, he would not have had his ass whupped.

If only every schoolkid who right at this moment is suffering bullying could 'turn' and comprehensively whup their tormentors. If only every battered wife could do the same. If only every innocent Jew who is being spat on or abused for no other reason than he is a Jew could retaliate and whup their bullying fascist abusers.

If only.

I won't lose one moment's sleep over this bullies come-uppance - nor shed one crocodile tear.

Yes, the gay guy might have 'gone too far' but he wouldn't have 'gone' at all would he? if the obnoxious bully had not invaded his personal space and left him alone.

[Cherie]

Quite admirable, but your choice of reaction does not automatically render someonme elses as wrong. Who knows if this gay guy had not suffered a lifetime of being bullied because of his own very personal sexuality? Who knows whether he had previously been badly beaten by a gang of fascist homophobic brain-deads, or even hospitalised by such when hopelessly outnumbered?

The simple inescapable truth is; that had the obnoxious bully kept his big mouth shut and lived and let live, he would not have had his ass whupped.

If only every schoolkid who right at this moment is suffering bullying could 'turn' and comprehensively whup their tormentors. If only every battered wife could do the same. If only every innocent Jew who is being spat on or abused for no other reason than he is a Jew could retaliate and whup their bullying fascist abusers.

If only.

I won't lose one moment's sleep over this bullies come-uppance - nor shed one crocodile tear.

Yes, the gay guy might have 'gone too far' but he wouldn't have 'gone' at all would he? if the obnoxious bully had not invaded his personal space and left him alone.


We come in half way through the kicking though so we have no idea what triggered it. It looks a bit staged to me.

[Denver]

No one can really comment unless you're in that situation. Sometime disgusting people deserve disgusting consequences.

If you ask me that man wanst homophobic it was an unprovoked act and to think everyone stood there and let it happen there all disguisting creatures with no morales

[Glenn.]

Quite admirable, but your choice of reaction does not automatically render someonme elses as wrong. Who knows if this gay guy had not suffered a lifetime of being bullied because of his own very personal sexuality? Who knows whether he had previously been badly beaten by a gang of fascist homophobic brain-deads, or even hospitalised by such when hopelessly outnumbered?

The simple inescapable truth is; that had the obnoxious bully kept his big mouth shut and lived and let live, he would not have had his ass whupped.

If only every schoolkid who right at this moment is suffering bullying could 'turn' and comprehensively whup their tormentors. If only every battered wife could do the same. If only every innocent Jew who is being spat on or abused for no other reason than he is a Jew could retaliate and whup their bullying fascist abusers.

If only.

I won't lose one moment's sleep over this bullies come-uppance - nor shed one crocodile tear.

Yes, the gay guy might have 'gone too far' but he wouldn't have 'gone' at all would he? if the obnoxious bully had not invaded his personal space and left him alone.

I wasn't going to reply to her but this tbh

[Glenn.]

If you ask me that man wanst homophobic it was an unprovoked act and to think everyone stood there and let it happen there all disguisting creatures with no morales

But you don't know he wasn't homophobic. And I'd say the opposite. Everyone watching obviously thought he deserved it or they would have helped.

[Denver]

But you don't know he wasn't homophobic. And I'd say the opposite. Everyone watching obviously thought he deserved it or they would have helped.

I dont care whether what anybody has said or done nobody deserves to be beatento death and that man didnt look like he was moving one bit.

[Glenn.]

I dont care whether what anybody has said or done nobody deserves to be beatento death and that man didnt look like he was moving one bit.

Again. You don't know whether he's dead.

[Denver]

Again. You don't know whether he's dead.

He was either dead or knocked unconsious both are bang out of order

Had that been in The UK the thug who attacked him would be spending alot of time in prison

[Glenn.]

He was either dead or knocked unconsious both are bang out of order

Had that been in The UK the thug who attacked him would be spending alot of time in prison

I don't think it was bang out of order at all.

[Denver]

I don't think it was bang out of order at all.

So you support thugs?

That man is a disgrace tbh

Nobody has the right to do something like that over a throw away comment (if it was even said)

Also it did looked staged as why was there a camera showing the attack?

And how did the person know what was said in the shop?

[Glenn.]

So you support thugs?

That man is a disgrace tbh

Nobody has the right to do something like that over a throw away comment (if it was even said)

Also it did looked staged as why was there a camera showing the attack?

And how did the person know what was said in the shop?

I support people standing up for themselves. If he felt threatened by the homophobe he had every right to defend himself, regardless of whether it was a 'throwaway' comment or not. It's ok for thugs and morons to go around throwing homophobic slurs?

It looked like the fight had been going on a while hence why someone was filming.

[Cherie]

So you support thugs?

That man is a disgrace tbh

Nobody has the right to do something like that over a throw away comment (if it was even said)

Also it did looked staged as why was there a camera showing the attack?

And how did the person know what was said in the shop?

:laugh:Finally, the guy kicking the life out of the guy on the ground and then mincing around with a handbag several times, really ..

[Denver]

I support people standing up for themselves. If he felt threatened by the homophobe he had every right to defend himself, regardless of whether it was a 'throwaway' comment or not. It's ok for thugs and morons to go around throwing homophobic slurs?

It looked like the fight had been going on a while hence why someone was filming.

If he wasnt threatened why didnt he hit him in the shop?

[Glenn.]

If he wasnt threatened why didnt he hit him in the shop?

What shop are you even talking about? There is no shop. I also find it amusing that that's all you've taken from my post.

[Denver]

What shop are you even talking about? There is no shop. I also find it amusing that that's all you've taken from my post.

Not the shop the Subway.

I find it disgraceful people are think that thug was in the right

[Glenn.]

Oh well. We can't all agree can we.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh well. We can't all agree can we.

Have a fight?

[Glenn.]

I'd win

[kirklancaster]

I support people standing up for themselves. If he felt threatened by the homophobe he had every right to defend himself, regardless of whether it was a 'throwaway' comment or not. It's ok for thugs and morons to go around throwing homophobic slurs?

It looked like the fight had been going on a while hence why someone was filming.

I totally 1,000% agree with you Glenn.

We can only comment based on the premise of LT's Thread Title; "The Gays Are Fighting Back", which definitely implies that the gay guy was REACTING not ACTING.

Similarly, the preamble of the linked footage DEFINITELY STATES that the bully STARTED on the gay guy without reason and the gay guy REACTED;

"Man, insults Gay and get beat on the subway"
"A man insulted a gay, in the subway, and was beaten .."


This being the FACTS, we are justified in working from the premise that the gay guy was minding his own business and that the beaten guy was the loud-mouthed offensive aggressor.

If it transpired that such was NOT the case, then obviously our comments would accordingly, not be the same as they are now. But why should we SECOND GUESS when the premise that the beaten man was the initial AGRESSOR and the gay guy was only reacting, is so clearly defined?

Now that's out of the way, we can come to the fight itself.

Because it was NOT filmed from the start, we DON'T KNOW for definite whether the beaten bully actually threw the first punches do we? NO, we don't.

All I know, is that there has been a creeping propensity in this crazy fecked up country to REWARD the perpetrators and actually PUNISH the victims, and this is no different.

The farmer who shot the turd who repeatedly burgled him GOES TO JAIL.

Innocent Jews going about their lawful business are attacked by racist mindless morons, and murdered in cold blood by Islamic terrorists and the cries go up; "Ooh, I hope this doesn't end up in the poor Muslim's being blamed" without one word of sympathy for the real victims.

Husbands out for the night with their wives end up fighting with ignorant drunken bastards who indecently put their hands on his wife, and because the husband turns out to be the 'better' fighter, he GOES TO COURT.

I'm sorry, but if the premise is correct, then I have zilch sympathy for the beaten loud-mouthed yob, only for the gay guy who was drawn into violence which he would not have been drawn into had he been left alone.

We all have a personal space all around us, and no one has the right to invade that space unless invited and welcomed. There are too many ignorant, bullying yobs in the world getting away with their offensive, anti-social and moronic bullying tactics, and I applaud anyone who stands up for his rights against them - unconditionally.

[Kizzy]

Quite admirable, but your choice of reaction does not automatically render someonme elses as wrong. Who knows if this gay guy had not suffered a lifetime of being bullied because of his own very personal sexuality? Who knows whether he had previously been badly beaten by a gang of fascist homophobic brain-deads, or even hospitalised by such when hopelessly outnumbered?

The simple inescapable truth is; that had the obnoxious bully kept his big mouth shut and lived and let live, he would not have had his ass whupped.

If only every schoolkid who right at this moment is suffering bullying could 'turn' and comprehensively whup their tormentors. If only every battered wife could do the same. If only every innocent Jew who is being spat on or abused for no other reason than he is a Jew could retaliate and whup their bullying fascist abusers.

If only.

I won't lose one moment's sleep over this bullies come-uppance - nor shed one crocodile tear.

Yes, the gay guy might have 'gone too far' but he wouldn't have 'gone' at all would he? if the obnoxious bully had not invaded his personal space and left him alone.

Well, that's a nice hypothetical, am I the only person who sees this vid from the point where the guy is actually being attacked? I haven't seen what happened before.

[kirklancaster]

Well, that's a nice hypothetical, am I the only person who sees this vid from the point where the guy is actually being attacked? I haven't seen what happened before.

You obviously did not read or did not understand my other post a few posts up from this one, so I will repost part of it:

"We can only comment based on the premise of LT's Thread Title; "The Gays Are Fighting Back", which definitely implies that the gay guy was REACTING not ACTING.

Similarly, the preamble of the linked footage DEFINITELY STATES that the bully STARTED on the gay guy without reason and the gay guy REACTED;

"Man, insults Gay and get beat on the subway"
"A man insulted a gay, in the subway, and was beaten .."

This being the FACTS, we are justified in working from the premise that the gay guy was minding his own business and that the beaten guy was the loud-mouthed offensive aggressor."


Not so 'hypothetical' now is it?

[Liam-]

The humiliation of being beat up by a gay guy and then seeing him sashaying away with his handbag will surely be enough to make the guy think twice about being a dick again.

A job well done.

[Glenn.]

The humiliation of being beat up by a gay guy and then seeing him sashaying away with his handbag will surely be enough to make the guy think twice about being a dick again.

A job well done.

[2]

[Kizzy]

You obviously did not read or did not understand my other post a few posts up from this one, so I will repost part of it:

"We can only comment based on the premise of LT's Thread Title; "The Gays Are Fighting Back", which definitely implies that the gay guy was REACTING not ACTING.

Similarly, the preamble of the linked footage DEFINITELY STATES that the bully STARTED on the gay guy without reason and the gay guy REACTED;

"Man, insults Gay and get beat on the subway"
"A man insulted a gay, in the subway, and was beaten .."

This being the FACTS, we are justified in working from the premise that the gay guy was minding his own business and that the beaten guy was the loud-mouthed offensive aggressor."


Not so 'hypothetical' now is it?

yes it is... I would like to see for myself to decide what led to this imo overreaction, I don't like being led by the nose.

[Glenn.]

Well you can't so deal with it tbh

[Niamh.]

That looks really brutal. I hope that guy was arrested afterwards. (unless of course it's a set up)

[kirklancaster]

Well you can't so deal with it tbh

:laugh:

[JoshBB]

That looks really brutal. I hope that guy was arrested afterwards. (unless of course it's a set up)

This. I can't believe people are defending someone who kicked a guy when he was on the floor, clearly not fighting back.

[AnnieK]

Look horrific but surely its a set up.....not one person around them really reacted and I can't believe no-one would step in and help the person on the floor.....unless there was some serious justification for it that we didn't see.

[kirklancaster]

Look horrific but surely its a set up.....not one person around them really reacted and I can't believe no-one would step in and help the person on the floor.....unless there was some serious justification for it that we didn't see.

We can only comment based upon the facts at hand Annie, and that evidence suggests the guy on the floor started the trouble.

The fact no one got involved is no surprise to me though, because I have been in the city centre when a big football match had just ended and the shops were locking shoppers inside because hundreds of idiots were running amok having pitched battles in the street. I was shopping with my wife and saw about 6 or 7 yobs start beating and kicking the hell out of one kid who was about 15 years old, who was on his own and not even a football fan, and was doing nothing wrong. A couple of those punching and kicking him were blokes in their 30's the idiot bastards.

There were lots of people including grown men who could have intercepted but no one did - except muppet here. I ended up bloodied myself but did beat them off and I rescued the poor kid and kept him with us until the trouble had passed.

Most people do not want to get involved these days Annie, it's a sad fact.

Back to the topic; yes the gay guy went too far, but I still maintain that from the evidence available he did not start the trouble.

[AnnieK]

We can only comment based upon the facts at hand Annie, and that evidence suggests the guy on the floor started the trouble.

The fact no one got involved is no surprise to me though, because I have been in the city centre when a big football match had just ended and the shops were locking shoppers inside because hundreds of idiots were running amok having pitched battles in the street. I was shopping with my wife and saw about 6 or 7 yobs start beating and kicking the hell out of one kid who was about 15 years old, who was on his own and not even a football fan, and was doing nothing wrong. A couple of those punching and kicking him were blokes in their 30's the idiot bastards.

There were lots of people including grown men who could have intercepted but no one did - except muppet here. I ended up bloodied myself but did beat them off and I rescued the poor kid and kept him with us until the trouble had passed.

Most people do not want to get involved these days Annie, it's a sad fact.

Back to the topic; yes the gay guy went too far, but I still maintain that from the evidence available he did not start the trouble.

Yeah I get what you're saying Kirk....but no one even moved. I've seen trouble (hey I live in manchester and was brought up in Salford so loads) and whilst I agree that not many will intervene, it will make people nearby love along so as not to look like they're not helping....but no one seems to bat an eye lid. Just screams set up to me

[kirklancaster]

Yeah I get what you're saying Kirk....but no one even moved. I've seen trouble (hey I live in manchester and was brought up in Salford so loads) and whilst I agree that not many will intervene, it will make people nearby love along so as not to look like they're not helping....but no one seems to bat an eye lid. Just screams set up to me

Salford :laugh: I've had some good nights out in Salford and Middleton when I was younger. I can't remember any of the names of the pubs (vividly remember a Working Man's Club) but yeah, they weren't 'tea at the ritz' nights out. My mate lived in Middleton and his cousins lived in Salford.

Happy days.

Maybe you're right about the video, but I guess we'll never know.

[VanessaFeltz.]

He got what he deserved, vile homophobic waste of space bully.

[Cherie]

We can only comment based upon the facts at hand Annie, and that evidence suggests the guy on the floor started the trouble.

The fact no one got involved is no surprise to me though, because I have been in the city centre when a big football match had just ended and the shops were locking shoppers inside because hundreds of idiots were running amok having pitched battles in the street. I was shopping with my wife and saw about 6 or 7 yobs start beating and kicking the hell out of one kid who was about 15 years old, who was on his own and not even a football fan, and was doing nothing wrong. A couple of those punching and kicking him were blokes in their 30's the idiot bastards.

There were lots of people including grown men who could have intercepted but no one did - except muppet here. I ended up bloodied myself but did beat them off and I rescued the poor kid and kept him with us until the trouble had passed.

Most people do not want to get involved these days Annie, it's a sad fact.

Back to the topic; yes the gay guy went too far, but I still maintain that from the evidence available he did not start the trouble.


But you did intervene so you can't say no one ever intervenes, the woman who came across Lee Rigby on the ground intervened, it's not a given that no one intervenes, this screams staged the way the guy is mincing around with his handbag, what would we be saying if a guy was having seven bells kicked out of him and the attacker was strutting around and his sexuality was not obvious, Would we be saying the guy on the ground deserves it for verbally insulting the attacker?

[Denver]

I still cant believe people are saying the guy deserved it

the facts are

1) We dont know if he was even homophobic

2) That man is a thug and should spend his life in prison for attacking people like that.

Dont care what anyone says 2 wrongs dont make a right and nobody should be agreeing with that level of violence its just thugish behaviour

[Denver]

We can only comment based upon the facts at hand Annie, and that evidence suggests the guy on the floor started the trouble.

The fact no one got involved is no surprise to me though, because I have been in the city centre when a big football match had just ended and the shops were locking shoppers inside because hundreds of idiots were running amok having pitched battles in the street. I was shopping with my wife and saw about 6 or 7 yobs start beating and kicking the hell out of one kid who was about 15 years old, who was on his own and not even a football fan, and was doing nothing wrong. A couple of those punching and kicking him were blokes in their 30's the idiot bastards.

There were lots of people including grown men who could have intercepted but no one did - except muppet here. I ended up bloodied myself but did beat them off and I rescued the poor kid and kept him with us until the trouble had passed.

Most people do not want to get involved these days Annie, it's a sad fact.

Back to the topic; yes the gay guy went too far, but I still maintain that from the evidence available he did not start the trouble.

You have no eviedence to say the other guy was homophobic.

Anybody can upload a video and claim its avbout homophobia

[Kizzy]

Even if he did make some ignorant comment how it that a licence to kick the living shiz out of anyone? It doesn't.
:/

[Denver]

Even if he did make some ignorant comment how it that a licence to kick the living shiz out of anyone? It doesn't.
:/

It doesnt it actually makes them worse

[Glenn.]

Oh well. It's still another homophobic scumbag who will think twice before he's a dick to a gay person.

[kirklancaster]

Oh well. It's still another homophobic scumbag who will think twice before he's a dick to a gay person.

:laugh: Ditto.

[Denver]

Oh well. It's still another homophobic scumbag who will think twice before he's a dick to a gay person.

Can you supply hardcore evidence he was homophobic?

[lostalex]

You cannot hit and kick someone because they verbally provoked you. Kicking someone in the head while they're on the ground is bloody shameful, whatever he said.

You can if you feel threatened, and considering the number of hate crimes and murders of gay people that often first start as just verbal harassment this gay man had every right to be afraid for his life.

Good for him for not becoming just another sad statistic.

[Denver]

You can if you feel threatened, and considering the number of hate crimes and murders of gay people that often first start as just verbal harassment this gay man had every right to be afraid for his life.

Good for him for not becoming just another sad statistic.

No you ****ing can not.

A man/woman does not hit or provoke another person but youd cant go to prison for name calling but you can for attempted murder so you tell me which is worse

[GypsyGoth]

Which one was the gay?

[Liam-]

'attempted murder' :joker:

[Denver]

'attempted murder' :joker:

So stamping on someone's lifeless body is not trying to kill them?

[Liam-]

So stamping on someone's lifeless body is not trying to kill them?

There's a difference between kicking and stamping, whether you want to see it or not.

At the start of the video, the guy moved, so clearly his body was't 'lifeless' was it?

Maybe a good hiding was what the guy needed to help him realise he can't go around abusing people for the sake of it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

that video is disgusting

[Glenn.]

Can you supply hardcore evidence he was homophobic?

Can you supply hardcore evidence that he wasn't?

[Kizzy]

vigilantism... yes we should solve all issues like this :/

[Denver]

There's a difference between kicking and stamping, whether you want to see it or not.

At the start of the video, the guy moved, so clearly his body was't 'lifeless' was it?

Maybe a good hiding was what the guy needed to help him realise he can't go around abusing people for the sake of it.

Ok put it this way we have all said things that offend others

so when you offend someone do you expect to be battered to you cant move?

[Denver]

Can you supply hardcore evidence that he wasn't?

You cant assume someone said it because you read it

that video looks like a planned and uncalled for attack

[lostalex]

Ok put it this way we have all said things that offend others

so when you offend someone do you expect to be battered to you cant move?

you are ignoring the context. The context is a homophobic bully trying to intimidate and threaten a gay man. It is not just any person saying something rude to any other person.

[lostalex]

that video looks like a planned and uncalled for attack

ummm, no it didn't. It didn't look like that at all.

[Glenn.]

You cant assume someone said it because you read it

that video looks like a planned and uncalled for attack

So, in answer to my question. No.

[Liam-]

Ok put it this way we have all said things that offend others

so when you offend someone do you expect to be battered to you cant move?

Again, there's a difference, a difference between offending someone over - let's say - their shoes and offending someone based on their sexuality.

[Denver]

you are ignoring the context. The context is a homophobic bully trying to intimidate and threaten a gay man. It is not just any person saying something rude to any other person.
Please show me where the man on the floor intimidated and threatened somebody else?

[Braden]

Violence is such a stupid way to deal with most situations.

Some gay people are beat up on a day to day basis purely because they're gay, but it doesn't fit right with me that this person felt it necessary to beat the **** of this guy, in retaliation of what seems to be a homophobic statement.

It's just hypocritical to me. People need to realise that insecurity is the main cause of name-calling. I would take pity in the fact that someone went out of their way to personally offend me simply because of something I can't change.

[Denver]

Again, there's a difference, a difference between offending someone over - let's say - their shoes and offending someone based on their sexuality.

If your going to attack someone then you worse then they are simple as

[lostalex]

Please show me where the man on the floor intimidated and threatened somebody else?

The context was provided by the person who recorded and uploaded the video. The video fits that context, based on what they were saying in the video, and the fact that the crowd seemed to have zero sympathy for the homophobe, there's no reason to doubt it.

[Denver]

Violence is such a stupid way to deal with most situations.

Some gay people are beat up on a day to day basis purely because they're gay, but it doesn't fit right with me that this person felt it necessary to beat the **** of this guy, in retaliation of what seems to be a homophobic statement.

It's just hypocritical to me. People need to realise that insecurity is the main cause of name-calling. I would take pity in the fact that someone went out of their way to personally offend me simply because of something I can't change.

This basically

[Glenn.]

I wonder whether he lost any teeth :flutter:

[Denver]

The context was provided by the person who recorded and uploaded the video. The video fits that context, there's no reason to doubt it.

Oh sorry somebody wrote it so it must be true?

I dont see why people are jumping on the homophobe bandwagon it makes it worse

The bigger person would not react and just remove themselves from the situation

[Glenn.]

Oh sorry somebody wrote it so it must be true?

I dont see why people are jumping on the homophobe bandwagon it makes it worse

The bigger person would not react and just remove themselves from the situation

In a perfect world there wouldn't be homophobia, war, violence etc. **** happens

[Liam-]

If your going to attack someone then you worse then they are simple as

In a normal context yes, but unless you've ever been in the situation where you've been harassed by someone based on your sexuality, or anything else that you can't help, then you won't know how much restraint and control it takes to not retaliate.

Of course violence is wrong, but if you're pushed to your limits by an idiot who sees fit to abuse you in the street for no reason, then there's only so much a person can take.

[Denver]

In a normal context yes, but unless you've ever been in the situation where you've been harassed by someone based on your sexuality, or anything else that you can't help, then you won't know how much restraint and control it takes to not retaliate.

Of course violence is wrong, but if you're pushed to your limits by an idiot who sees fit to abuse you in the street for no reason, then there's only so much a person can take.

As i said before a real mad would walk away and take themselves out off the situation

there is not one that is ever going to make behaviour like that acceptable

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I wonder whether he lost any teeth :flutter:

:joker:

[lostalex]

Oh sorry somebody wrote it so it must be true?

I dont see why people are jumping on the homophobe bandwagon it makes it worse

The bigger person would not react and just remove themselves from the situation

I am curious about that too.

[Z]

I dare anyone who's saying violence is wrong to tell it to this guy



Seriously though, good for him, he stood up for himself and that's a damn sight more effective at getting someone to stop harassing you than meekly looking down and shuffling away. If you let people walk all over you, they will. Maybe violence isn't the answer, but neither is being a sponge for abuse.

[lostalex]

vigilantism... yes we should solve all issues like this :/

it's not vigilantism, it's a victim standing up for himself.

vigilantism would be if someone else beat that homophobic douchbag's ass for being homophobic.

[Marsh.]

Beating the crap out of someone is not standing up for yourself.

[Glenn.]

Beating the crap out of someone is not standing up for yourself.

If they're threatening you it is.

[lostalex]

no one has mentioned the fact that also the homophobic guy seems to be larger and more muscular than the gay guy that fought back. That is another factor in how the gay guy might have felt threatened and intimidated.

The guy on the ground looks bigger and more muscular than the guy that fought back, to me. So it makes sense to me that the gay man was probably feeling very vulnerable, not just because of the psychological reasons of being intimidated because of his sexuality, but also because the guy looked much bigger and stronger.

[Denver]

no one has mentioned the fact that also the homophobic guy seems to be larger and more muscular than the gay guy that fought back. That is another factor in how the gay guy might have felt threatened and intimidated.

The guy on the ground looks bigger and more muscular than the guy that fought back, to me. So it makes sense to me that the gay man was probably feeling very vulnerable, not just because of the psychological reasons of being intimidated because of his sexuality, but also because the guy looked much bigger and stronger.

Bolloxs i walk past people much bigger then me daily but i dont go around attacking them there is no way possible this behaviour can be excused

[Marsh.]

If they're threatening you it is.

Was he threatened or physically intimidated? :smug:

[lostalex]

Bolloxs i walk past people much bigger then me daily but i dont go around attacking them there is no way possible this behaviour can be excused

once again, you aren't framing your comments or opinions within THE CONTEXT of this video.

what does you walking past larger people have to do with this video???

[Marsh.]

Lashing out when you feel threatened in your own defence is a little different to what we see in this video where he persists on kicking him after the person has already hit the floor and backed off. Instead of moving on he continues with the violence. No excuse.

[lostalex]

Was he threatened or physically intimidated? :smug:

In the context of the world we live in, where gay people are abused, raped, and murdered on a daily basis by homophobic bigots, verbally harassing someone with the word "******" is absolutely going to make any gay man feel threatened.

How is that debatable in any way? Isn't that completely obvious?

What purpose would the bigot have for calling him a ****** unless he was trying to intimidate and threaten him?

[lostalex]

Lashing out when you feel threatened in your own defence is a little different to what we see in this video where he persists on kicking him after the person has already hit the floor and backed off. Instead of moving on he continues with the violence. No excuse.


well clearly the adrenaline had kicked in(no pun intended) by that point.

[Marsh.]

In the context of the world we live in, where gay people are abused, raped, and murdered on a daily basis by homophobic bigots, verbally harassing someone with the word "******" is absolutely going to make any gay man feel threatened.

How is that debatable in any way? Isn't that completely obvious?

What purpose would the bigot have for calling him a ****** unless he was trying to intimidate and threaten him?

Calling someone an offensive term is not on the scale of being physically threatening.

Heterosexual people are abused, raped and murdered on a daily basis for a multitude of reasons too, and in all cases being harassed with a word does not justify a physical attack.

Not that it's relevant. If we were discussing an attempted murder or rape then the reaction would be justifiable. As such, it wasn't.

[lostalex]

Calling someone an offensive term is not on the scale of being physically threatening.

Heterosexual people are abused, raped and murdered on a daily basis for a multitude of reasons too, and in all cases being harassed with a word does not justify a physical attack.

Not that it's relevant. If we were discussing an attempted murder or rape then the reaction would be justifiable. As such, it wasn't.


it is when there is a long documented history of str8male bigots killing gay men on a daily basis. that is the world all gay men live in. the verbal harassment is how it always starts.

If this man had not fought back from the very first verbal harassment, it might have turned the other way, the bully would feel empowered, maybe followed him home, and then killed him in a secluded area. Those are the kinds of things that some gay men think about all the time. especially gay men that live in certain areas, and seen plenty of their friends brutally attacked before. This gay man in the video decided, i'm, not going to give this BIGOT the benefit of the doubt.

Why should he have to give a BIGOT the benefit of the doubt??

[Denver]

In the context of the world we live in, where gay people are abused, raped, and murdered on a daily basis by homophobic bigots, verbally harassing someone with the word "******" is absolutely going to make any gay man feel threatened.

How is that debatable in any way? Isn't that completely obvious?

What purpose would the bigot have for calling him a ****** unless he was trying to intimidate and threaten him?

This is rubbish

may i point out that woman and straight man are abused, raped and murdered just as much amd it womens xases much more

[Denver]

well clearly the adrenaline had kicked in(no pun intended) by that point.

Oh so its perfectly fine to kick someone when there unresponsive because the adreniline has kick in thanks for clearing that up

[lostalex]

This is rubbish

may i point out that woman and straight man are abused, raped and murdered just as much amd it womens xases much more


not by gay men. i want you to do some research. tell me how many gay men are in prison for targeting heterosexual men, then tell me how many straight men are convicted of killing gay men...

once you are done with that research, then tell me, how many women are murdered by heterosexual men, compared to how many women are killed by gay men.

You have a serious issue with facts my dear, if you don't understand which groups typically threaten and abuse other groups.

Don;'t you DARE imply that gay men are just as violent against heterosexuals for being heterosexual.

I have never once in my entire life heard of a group of homosexuals targeting and murdering a heterosexual man just for being heterosexual. So STOP trying to make it seem equivalent, it is NOT.

[lostalex]

Don't you dare try to tell me that straight men are being BULLIED or INTIMIDATED by gay men in the same way. It's ****ing retarded to even think about.

Have you EVER met a straight man that said he felt afraid for his safety because he is straight? EVER???

[Marsh.]

it is when there is a long documented history of str8male bigots killing gay men on a daily basis. that is the world all gay men live in. the verbal harassment is how it always starts.

If this man had not fought back from the very first verbal harassment, it might have turned the other way, the bully would feel empowered, maybe followed him home, and then killed him in a secluded area. Those are the kinds of things that some gay men think about all the time. especially gay men that live in certain areas, and seen plenty of their friends brutally attacked before. This gay man in the video decided, i'm, not going to give this BIGOT the benefit of the doubt.

Why should he have to give a BIGOT the benefit of the doubt??

So just on the off chance this man would've turned violent, this particular person in this particular incident in this video is justified in their violence.

SUCH CRAP!

So it's justifiable for a woman to get violent with a man who makes a sexist comment on the off chance he attempts to rape her. You know, what with the rape statistics being ever so relevant to it.

[lostalex]

So just on the off chance this man would've turned violent, this particular person in this particular incident in this video is justified in their violence.

SUCH CRAP!

So it's justifiable for a woman to get violent with a man who makes a sexist comment on the off chance he attempts to rape her. You know, what with the rape statistics being ever so relevant to it.

if she feels genuinely threatened, yes, she should stop it right there, in the street and make a public spectacle like this gay man did, she's much safer there than if she ignores it.

[Denver]

Don't you dare try to tell me that straight men are being BULLIED or INTIMIDATED by gay men in the same way. It's ****ing retarded to even think about.

Have you EVER met a straight man that said he felt afraid for his safety because he is straight? EVER???

Gay men give as good as they get when it comes to name calling ive witnessed it alot

[lostalex]

Gay men give as good as they get when it comes to name calling ive witnessed it alot

now do some research on the crime rates. tell me about all these gay men that bully, abuse, rape and murder straight men just for being straight. please give me some statistics.

Tell me about all the straight men you know that are afraid to walk the streets because of all the violent GAY men that harass them! LOL

[Denver]

if she feels genuinely threatened, yes, she should stop it right there, in the street and make a public spectacle like this gay man did, she's much safer there than if she ignores it.

Lets hope you never get called for jury service

You would send someone down for no reason and you would never see both sides of the story

I find it stupid that you feel gay men are the most sexually attacked people in the world

[Denver]

now do some research on the crime rates. tell me about all these gay men that bully, abuse, rape and murder straight men just for being straight. please give me some statistics.

Tell me about all the straight men you know that are afraid to walk the streets because of all the violent GAY men that harass them! LOL

Can i clearer something up

when a man gets raped it is nothing to do with sexuallity

[lostalex]

I find it stupid that you feel gay men are the most sexually attacked people in the world

and i find it stupid that you think i said that gay men are the most sexually attacked in the world. I never said that. Obviously women are sexually assaulted by str8 men more than gay men, when did i say otherwise? That's why i said i would also support a woman doing the exact same thing in this situation.

[Marsh.]

if she feels genuinely threatened, yes, she should stop it right there, in the street and make a public spectacle like this gay man did, she's much safer there than if she ignores it.

So you've come to the conclusion this gay man was threatened on the basis of statistics? Ok honey.

[Denver]

now do some research on the crime rates. tell me about all these gay men that bully, abuse, rape and murder straight men just for being straight. please give me some statistics.

Tell me about all the straight men you know that are afraid to walk the streets because of all the violent GAY men that harass them! LOL

When a gay man says something flirty to a straight man that straight man would feel threatened , uneasy and frightened

[lostalex]

So you've come to the conclusion this gay man was threatened on the basis of statistics? Ok honey.

no, i came to that conclusion based on the information provided by this video.

And don't call me "honey", twat.

[Denver]

and i find it stupid that you think i said that gay men are the most sexually attacked in the world. I never said that. Obviously women are sexually assaulted by str8 men more than gay men, when did i say otherwise? That's why i said i would also support a woman doing the exact same thing in this situation.

Basocally your trying to create a story to make this sort of behaviour excusable

[Marsh.]

no, i came to that conclusion based on the information provided by this video.

The video which provides 0 context? Ok.


And don't call m "honey", twat.

That makes your point so much stronger honey.

[lostalex]

When a gay man says something flirty to a straight man that straight man would feel threatened , uneasy and frightened

umm, so you are saying that a gay man saying something flirty and sweet to a straight man is the equivalent of a straight man calling a gay man a ****ing ******?

really? REALLY?

[Denver]

umm, so you are saying that a gay man saying something flirty and sweet to a straight man is the equivalent of a straight man calling a gay man a ****ing ******?

really? REALLY?

Yes its you dont have to be nasty to offend somebody

[lostalex]

The video which provides 0 context? Ok.


umm, the person who took the video described the situation and provided a translation of the words... that is the context. are you daft?

[Denver]

umm, the person who took the video described the situation and provided a translation of the words... that is the context. are you daft?

So how does the person know what happened somewhere else if they took the video by chance?

[lostalex]

Yes its you dont have to be nasty to offend somebody

umm, yes, i'm pretty sure being nasty is a major part of offending someone...

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? can you hear yourself???

[Marsh.]

umm, the person who took the video described the situation and provided a translation of the words... that is the context. are you daft?

Yes, the person who videoed an attack and posted it on the internet. Such a nice honest person. Are you naive?

All it says is the gay man was called a ******. No context at all for their altercation prior to the man being kicked about by someone with clear anger management problems.

I've been called harsh things by a randomer on the street. Does that justify me kicking their head in? No.

[lostalex]

So how does the person know what happened somewhere else if they took the video by chance?

they didn't take the video by chance, clearly they were watching the situation, and started filming when it got violent, that's why they described the context of what was happening.

It's really not hard to understand.

[Denver]

umm, yes, i'm pretty sure being nasty is a major part of offending someone...

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? can you hear yourself???

No it really ****ing isnt.

ive been offended by a simple comment that someone has meant to offend someone with

[lostalex]

oh lord. the homophobia deniers are out in force this morning.

[lostalex]

No it really ****ing isnt.

ive been offended by a simple comment that someone has meant to offend someone with

That doesn't surprise me. you seem very "special".

[Marsh.]

Yes, I'm clearly defending homophobia by saying the gay guy was not justified for beating someone senseless. Ok.

[Denver]

they didn't take the video by chance, clearly they were watching the situation, and started filming when it got violent, that's why they described the context of what was happening.

It's really not hard to understand.

Im sorry i dont buy it

this is a premeditated attack

[Marsh.]

they didn't take the video by chance, clearly they were watching the situation, and started filming when it got violent, that's why they described the context of what was happening.

It's really not hard to understand.

No they didn't. They translated what the person hitting him was saying. No context provided as to how their altercation began nor to how it escalated to what it did in the video.

[lostalex]

Yes, I'm clearly defending homophobia by saying the gay guy was not justified for beating someone senseless. Ok.

i get the sarcasm, but you don't get the irony of your statement, because you really are.

[Denver]

That doesn't surprise me. you seem very "special".

Tbh i dont care what you say

your just a defending a thugs reaction doesnt make you any better

[lostalex]

No they didn't. They translated what the person hitting him was saying. No context provided as to how their altercation began nor to how it escalated to what it did in the video.

the title of the video is the context.

[Marsh.]

the title of the video is the context.

No it isn't.

Man "insults" someone is not context. Nor is it a reason for the level of violence displayed in that video.

[lostalex]

Tbh i dont care what you say

your just a defending a thugs reaction doesnt make you any better

the fact that you can look at that guy, and call him a thug, and think he was just out wanting to kick someone's ass, well, it's just ridiculous to me. You and I live in very different worlds if you honestly believe that the gay guy in that video was some violent thug just wanting to beat up some random person.

[Marsh.]

the fact that you can look at that guy, and call him a thug, and think he was just out wanting to kick someone's ass, well, it's just ridiculous to me.

Appearances can be deceiving.

[Denver]

the fact that you can look at that guy, and call him a thug, and think he was just out wanting to kick someone's ass, well, it's just ridiculous to me.

Thugs attack other people

you dont have to be big and hard to be a thug

Had he been in the UK he would be in prison right now

[lostalex]

Thugs attack other people

you dont have to be big and hard to be a thug

Had he been in the UK he would be in prison right now

i doubt that. skirmishes like that happen on council estates every day, and they just get an ASBO and maybe some community service.

[Denver]

Also pointing out the fact when you witnessed someone being beaten whats the first thing you?

Oh i best film this and put it online it will be very funny.

no you either help the person or call the police

[Denver]

i doubt that. skirmishes like that happen on council estates every day, and they just get and ASBO and maybe some community service.

Again thugs are not just from council estate they come from all different walks of life

[lostalex]

Also pointing out the fact when you witnessed someone being beaten whats the firat thing you?

Oh i best film this and put it online it will be very funny.

no you either help the person or call the police

i don't find it funny, i find it inspiring.

[Denver]

i don't find it funny, i find it inspiring.

If you find being a thug is inspiring then i suggest you get out more

[lostalex]

If you find being a thug is inspiring then i suggest you get out more

not in that neighborhood.

[Marsh.]

i don't find it funny, i find it inspiring.

Me too. I'm going to go and practice my head kicking skills in the back yard.

[Denver]

not in that neighborhood.

I find this man a disgrace to the LGBT community and to Men themselves

[lostalex]

Me too. I'm going to go and practice my head kicking skills in the back yard.

you've gotta learn how to knock the bully to the ground first. unfortunately we didn't get to see that part.

[Kizzy]

Didn't see much, mob mentality kicked in and acted as judge, jury and executioner.

[Marsh.]

unfortunately we didn't get to see that part.

Yeah, I wonder why. :whistle:

[lostalex]

Yeah, I wonder why. :whistle:

because real life happens quickly. unlike these threads, which just over analyze everything, and everyone tries to play devil's advocate.

[Marsh.]

because real life happens quickly. unlike these threads, which just over analyze everything, and everyone tries to play devil's advocate.

As opposed to what? Inventing the story that came before the beating?

Ok. :thumbs:

[lostalex]

As opposed to what? Inventing the story that came before the beating?

Ok. :thumbs:

no one invented anything here, we are just reacting to what we saw, unlike you, who is just reacting to other people's reactions (so meta)/

[Marsh.]

no one invented anything here, we are just reacting to what we saw, unlike you, who is just reacting to other people's reactions (so meta)/

Reacting to other people's reactions? No honey.

Unlike you I'm not presuming to know what caused the incident in the video.

You are assuming the beater is the innocent party.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

this is actually lucas and david at the caravan

[lostalex]

Reacting to other people's reactions? No honey.

Unlike you I'm not presuming to know what caused the incident in the video.

You are assuming the beater is the innocent party.

what other motivation do you see in the video? What do you think provoked that reaction from him? If he's just a violent psychopath as you and your minions suggest, why isn't also attacking the many other people in the video?

You put very little thought into the things you say.

[Marsh.]

what other motivation do you see in the video? What do you think provoked that reaction from him? If he's just a violent psychopath as you and your minions suggest, why isn't also attacking the many other people in the video?

You put very little thought into the things you say.

You put very little effort in comprehending what other people say. Where on earth have I suggested he is a violent psychopath?

Everything is always about extremes with you.

I don't see ANY motivation in the video other than the reference to being called a name. School yard stuff. Doesn't justify the level of violence shown in that video IMO.

[lostalex]

You put very little effort in comprehending what other people say. Where on earth have I suggested he is a violent psychopath?

Everything is always about extremes with you.

I don't see ANY motivation in the video other than the reference to being called a name. School yard stuff. Doesn't justify the level of violence shown in that video IMO.


so from one side of your mouth, you say you don't know what provoked this, then from the other side of your mouth you say his reaction wasn't justified.

you have a forked tongue.

[Marsh.]

so from one side of your mouth, you say you don't know what provoked this, then from the other side of your mouth you say his reaction wasn't justified.

you have a forked tongue.

Here it is again..... slowly......

Nothing in the text nor the video explains how the two came into an altercation in the first place therefore none of us know the context nor the circumstances around the trigger for their fight.

However, if the text IS everything (as you keep referring to it as the reason) and that man was simply called a schoolyard name then it does not justify the level of violence in that video in the slightest.

Is that explained simply enough for you?

[Denver]

no one invented anything here, we are just reacting to what we saw, unlike you, who is just reacting to other people's reactions (so meta)/

If your reacting to what you saw why saw the man deserved it for being homophobic when you didnt see that

[Chuck]

This happened in Brazil and judging by the comments of the guy who filmed the video, the gay dude is right and people around him agree with him. He said during the video: "that serves him right for provoking who's quiet" and "yes, he's right".

[lostalex]

Here it is again..... slowly......

Nothing in the text nor the video explains how the two came into an altercation in the first place therefore none of us know the context nor the circumstances around the trigger for their fight.

However, if the text IS everything (as you keep referring to it as the reason) and that man was simply called a schoolyard name then it does not justify the level of violence in that video in the slightest.

Is that explained simply enough for you?

wow, you don't get it even when you think about it slowly. I feel sorry for your teachers, they really should have been paid a bonus salary when trying to teach you.

The fact that you still don't understand the context of this video, is literally DUMBfounding (no pun intended).

The context, the motivations, the situation is CLEAR! you have nothing at all to prove or dispute anything about this video being in authentic or the original uploaded was lying. yet you still keep saying " we don't know" then you keep going on to say, he wasn't justified.

HOW can you say the response wasn't justified with such conviction and then in the breath keep saying that no one knows what he was responding to??

think bro, think about what you are saying, cause you aren't making any sense.

[kirklancaster]

so from one side of your mouth, you say you don't know what provoked this, then from the other side of your mouth you say his reaction wasn't justified.

you have a forked tongue.

:joker:

Marsh Man he come... Kill Buffallo... Dig up yellow metal from Sacred Black Hills.... Marsh man he make many promises... But keep just one ....He promised to take our land and he took it. Marsh man speak with forked tongue.

Nice one Alex. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

wow, you don't get it even when you think about it slowly. I feel sorry for your teachers, they really should have been paid a bonus salary when trying to teach you.

The fact that you still don't understand the context of this video, is literally DUMBfounding (no pun intended).

The context, the motivations, the situation is CLEAR! you have nothing at all to prove or dispute anything about this video being in authentic or the original uploaded was lying. yet you still keep saying " we don't know" then you keep going on to say, he wasn't justified.

HOW can you say the response wasn't justified with such conviction and then in the breath keep saying that no one knows what he was responding to??

think bro, think about what you are saying, cause you aren't making any sense.

:joker: Just hold on. Let me get my sat nav. You're taking us on another detour.

I NEVER said it was inauthentic or that the uploader was lying.

Re-read our conversation and when you're back on the main road I'll meet you at Starbucks.

[lostalex]

This happened in Brazil and judging by the comments of the guy who filmed the video, the gay dude is right and people around him agree with him. He said during the video: "that serves him right for provoking who's quiet" and "yes, he's right".

yup. but don't bother talking to some around here. they don't want to hear the truth, they'd rather just get their post count higher while they talk BS in their chat threads.

[kirklancaster]

:joker: Just hold on. Let me get my sat nav. You're taking us on another detour.

I NEVER said it was inauthentic or that the uploader was lying.

Re-read our conversation and when you're back on the main road I'll meet you at Starbucks.

:joker: You and Alex make a great double act. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Because calling someone a name is provoking someone to having the right to kick your head in. :thumbs:

But the victim of the insult was gay so it makes it justifiable... obviously.

Just like black guys have the right to beat anyone who says anything mean to them... you know because of the slave trade and stuff? Entirely relevant and justifies everything.

[lostalex]

Because calling someone a name is provoking someone to having the right to kick your head in. :thumbs:

But the victim of the insult was gay so it makes it justifiable... obviously.

Just like black guys have the right to beat anyone who says anything mean to them... you know because of the slave trade and stuff? Entirely relevant and justifies everything.

If a large intimidating white man comes up to a black kid and starts calling him a ******, i would totally understand the black kid responding in the same way. absolutely.

Same if it was a woman, or a disabled person, or any other minority who knows the history of violence against people of their minority.

[Marsh.]

yup. but don't bother talking to some around here. they don't want to hear the truth, they'd rather just get their post count higher while they talk BS in their chat threads.

When in doubt.... resort to petty insults.

Good job I'm not like him from the video otherwise I'd be kicking someone around the room for that. :hehe:

[Marsh.]

If a large intimidating white man comes up to a black kid and starts calling him a ******, i would totally understand the black kid responding in the same way. absolutely.

Same if it was a woman, or a disabled person, or any other minority who knows the history of violence against people of their minority.

Which has no bearing on the video in question.

You going to tell me the guy writhing on the floor being kicked in the head is larger and more intimidating than the guy kicking him? :joker:

[lostalex]

Which has no bearing on the video in question.

You going to tell me the guy writhing on the floor being kicked in the head is larger and more intimidating than the guy kicking him? :joker:

yes i am saying that, in the video the guy on the ground is clearly larger and more muscular than the gay guy. CLEARLY.

I suspect the guy on the ground was also drunk, based on his flushed red face, which might have given the gay guy an advantage in the fight, bu also makes the bigot homophobe more dangerous to begin with.

[Marsh.]

yes i am saying that, in the video the guy on the ground is clearly larger and more muscular than the gay guy. CLEARLY.

Yet more valid justifications. He's practically Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.

[lostalex]

Yet more valid justifications. He's practically Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.

he's certainly not a small boy, he's clearly a fit, large, late 20's/early 30's white man.

[Denver]

he's certainly not a small boy, he's clearly a fit, large, late 20's/early 30's white man.

You do realise Brazillians are not white men :hehe:

Anyone what has skin colour got to do with it?

[LukeB]

I think he went too far I mean is there any need to result in violence? They're other ways to deal with homophobic abuse but beating the crap out of them makes you the worst person.

[lostalex]

You do realise Brazillians are not white men :hehe:

Anyone what has skin colour got to do with it?

actually the majority of brazillians are of white european heritage. both of the men in this video are clearly white.

(you do know that portugal is in Europe, right?)

[Marsh.]

he's certainly not a small boy, he's clearly a fit, large, late 20's/early 30's white man.

And the gay guy is practically a 9 year old.

[Niamh.]

I think he went too far I mean is there any need to result in violence? They're other ways to deal with homophobic abuse but beating the crap out of them makes you the worst person.

No body even knows for sure what went on beforehand but even if getting physical with this guy was justifiable, kicking him in the head multiple times as he lay on the floor is extremely excessive.

[lostalex]

And the gay guy is practically a 9 year old.

he's certainly not an intimidating character. would you find him intimidating if you saw him walking down the street? no, you'd see him as an easy target, just like that moron on the ground did.

[lostalex]

No body even knows for sure what went on beforehand but even if getting physical with this guy was justifiable, kicking him in the head multiple times as he lay on the floor is extremely excessive.

if that man had attacked your son or daughter on the street, i don't think you'd feel the same way. i think you'd be saying "Kick him one more time for me!"

[Niamh.]

if that man had attacked your son or daughter on the street, i don't think you'd feel the same way. i think you'd be saying "Kick him one more time for me!"

How do you know that guy attacked anyone though?

[lostalex]

How do you know that guy attacked anyone though?

because it's the name of the video! what are people misunderstanding about this video? it clearly says that the guy on the ground was harassing the gay guy!

why is that being missed by so many people in this thread?

A verbal attack with the most threatening and disgusting language (the F word against a gay person) is enough to make someone fear for their lives!

anyone willing to use that most horrible of words against a stranger is clearly attacking them.

[Denver]

if that man had attacked your son or daughter on the street, i don't think you'd feel the same way. i think you'd be saying "Kick him one more time for me!"

Please show me the part of the film where the other man attacked first

[Denver]

because it's the name of the video! what are people misunderstanding about this video? it clearly says that the guy on the ground was harassing the gay guy!

why is that being missed by so many people in this thread?

A verbal attack with the most threatening and disgusting language (the F word against a gay person) is enough to make someone fear for their lives!

anyone willing to use that most horrible of words against a stranger is clearly attacking them.

Because it says that on the film does not mean its true surely your not that gullable

[Niamh.]

because it's the name of the video! what are people misunderstanding about this video? it clearly says that the guy on the ground was harassing the gay guy!

why is that being missed by so many people in this thread?

A verbal attack with the most threatening and disgusting language (the F word against a gay person) is enough to make someone fear for their lives!

anyone willing to use that most horrible of words against a stranger is clearly attacking them.

I mean physically attacking not verbally. And no I wouldn't be shouting to have someone kick another person in the head as they lay on the ground if they verbally insulted me :shrug:

[lostalex]

Please show me the part of the film where the other man attacked first

i'm still waiting for those statistics i asked for earlier to back up your claims. what's taking so long?

[lostalex]

I mean physically attacking not verbally. And no I wouldn't be shouting to have someone kick another person in the head as they lay on the ground if they verbally insulted me :shrug:

well you live a blessed life. bless you.

[Niamh.]

well you live a blessed life. bless you.

Ok :unsure:

[Marsh.]

he's certainly not an intimidating character. would you find him intimidating if you saw him walking down the street? no, you'd see him as an easy target, just like that moron on the ground did.

NEITHER of them are particularly intimidating looking people.

Until one started to aggressively kick the other in the head of course.

[Marsh.]

How do you know that guy attacked anyone though?

Because gay people are the victims in every single scenario. You know because they have it hard and stuff?

[Denver]

i'm still waiting for those statistics i asked for earlier to back up your claims. what's taking so long?

Im waiting for you to stop creating loop holes in this made up story :joker:

[Marsh.]

The "F" word makes him fear for his life? :laugh2:

[Kizzy]

It's crazy, that even if he said ********* it's ok to do this, people insult each other all the damn time there would be carnage on the streets if this happened every time.

[lostalex]

It's crazy, that even if he said ********* it's ok to do this, people insult each other all the damn time there would be carnage on the streets if this happened every time.

this is what's driving me crazy. harassing someone and calling them the most offensive word in the english language is not just "an insult".

harassing a gay guy, saying "hey you ****ing ******, get the **** out of my neighborhood" is not the same as saying "your haircut doesn't suit your face".

It is blowing my mind that so many people in this thread think it's just "an insult" to verbally harass and intimidate someone who is especially vulnerable.

you guys really don't get it do you. you really don't get that gay people, and people of al minorities get killed and attacked all the time, and that anyone harassing you like that, really makes us afraid for our lives.

It's amazing that even in the year 2015 you still don't understand that.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

NEITHER

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is what's driving me crazy. harassing someone and calling them the most offensive word in the english language is not just "an insult".

harassing a gay guy, saying "hey you ****ing ******, get the **** out of my neighborhood" is not the same as saying "your haircut doesn't suit your face".

It is blowing my mind that so many people in this thread think it's just "an insult" to verbally harass and intimidate someone who is especially vulnerable.

you guys really don't get it do you. you really don't get that gay people, and people of al minorities get killed and attacked all the time, and that anyone harassing you like that, really makes us afraid for our lives.

It's amazing that even in the year 2015 you still don't understand that.

Alex take a time out of you will faint!:shocked:

[lostalex]

Alex take a time out of you will faint!:shocked:

you're right, i just need to...

vTRuTYo7et8

[Kizzy]

this is what's driving me crazy. harassing someone and calling them the most offensive word in the english language is not just "an insult".

harassing a gay guy, saying "hey you ****ing ******, get the **** out of my neighborhood" is not the same as saying "your haircut doesn't suit your face".

It is blowing my mind that so many people in this thread think it's just "an insult" to verbally harass and intimidate someone who is especially vulnerable.

you guys really don't get it do you. you really don't get that gay people, and people of al minorities get killed and attacked all the time, and that anyone harassing you like that, really makes us afraid for our lives.

It's amazing that even in the year 2015 you still don't understand that.

It is offensive I'm not trying to downplay that it is. But the most? I don't think so.
I think this is just too personal for you to be entirely objective Alex.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

why isn't this thread in serious debates anyway

[Dollface]

There's often been times where i've really wanted to punch and/or kick someone when they've verbally abused me but i haven't because i don't think it's worth getting arrested for.
So if someone has the balls to teach someone a lesson, then good on them i guess.

If it was a completely unprovoked attack then yeah it was horrible. Idk i'm kinda torn on this one because the kicking in the head was excessive.

[lostalex]

It is offensive I'm not trying to downplay that it is. But the most? I don't think so.
I think this is just too personal for you to be entirely objective Alex.

the fact that it's personal to me, should make you realize that my view is more authentic.

What motivation do i have to lie?

[lostalex]

I'm not saying that anyone who objects to the violence in this video is a homophobe, i'm just asking you to consider the context, and the fear, and how someone might snap and react that way when they genuinely feel threatened. (and i garuntee you that gay boy has been harassed a million times before, and probably abused or worse many times before by homophobes). Consider for one second what it must take for someone to snap like that, don't just look at it as an isolated incident, because this is not an isolated incident.

[Kizzy]

the fact that it's personal to me, should make you realize that my view is more authentic.

What motivation do i have to lie?

No I wouldn't say your opinion is more authentic just more emotive.
Is it proportional... is the reaction proportional to the threat?

[Marsh.]

why isn't this thread in serious debates anyway

Just read the thread, there's nothing serious about it. :joker:

[Glenn.]

I think the whole thing is completely justified. I would have booted him in the face repeatedly if it were me.

[Niamh.]

I think the whole thing is completely justified. I would have booted him in the face repeatedly if it were me.

How can you say it's justified when you don't even know what went on beforehand? Other than the title saying the guy was being homophobic? :think:

[Glenn.]

You can see by the video what happened. The guy getting a beating insulted the gay guy. He's literally screaming 'whos the ****** now' down at him.

If someone came to me in the street and called me a ****** for no reason I would kick their teeth out.

[Niamh.]

You can see by the video what happened. The guy getting a beating insulted the gay guy. He's literally screaming 'whos the ****** now' down at him.

If someone came to me in the street and called me a ****** for no reason I would kick their teeth out.

He kicked him in the head more than once while he was down already, he could have actually killed him, alot of people have been killed by getting a blow to the head like that during a fight or an attack. You think that would be justified?

Also, no matter what the guy is shouting at him, we still didn't actually see what went on :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Just look at what happened to poor Lucy Beale. :worry:

[Kizzy]

This might be the tenth time that's pointed out in this thread.

[Glenn.]

He kicked him in the head more than once while he was down already, he could have actually killed him, alot of people have been killed by getting a blow to the head like that during a fight or an attack. You think that would be justified?

Also, no matter what the guy is shouting at him, we still didn't actually see what went on :shrug:

I agree, that was a little too far, but I'm not going to condemn him for it because I can relate to him to some degree. Most gay people can.
I wouldn't kick someone in the face if they were lying on the floor unconscious. I would only need one good kick in the face to knock their teeth out anyway.

and I'm only going on the description of the video, which is fairly descriptive of what is happening in the video.

[Niamh.]

Just look at what happened to poor Lucy Beale. :worry:

:hehe:

[Denver]

I agree, that was a little too far, but I'm not going to condemn him for it because I can relate to him to some degree. Most gay people can.
I wouldn't kick someone in the face if they were lying on the floor unconscious. I would only need one good kick in the face to knock their teeth out anyway.

and I'm only going on the description of the video, which is fairly descriptive of what is happening in the video.


well i dont and i know other LGBT people who would not agree neither

[Glenn.]

well i dont and i know other LGBT people who would not agree neither

I really don't care what you think so... anyway

[Black Dagger]

I like his man bag.

[Denver]

I really don't care what you think so... anyway

That so nice

cant you take other people not being sheep and having different opinions?

[Marsh.]

I like his man bag.

I bet it's full of bricks.

[Black Dagger]

I bet it's full of bricks.

Amongst other things.

[Marsh.]

Amongst other things.

:creep:

[Glenn.]

That so nice

cant you take other people not being sheep and having different opinions?

Thats funny because I can say the same of you :hehe:

[Denver]

Thats funny because I can say the same of you :hehe:

Dream on

[Glenn.]

I can dream all I want. Doesn't make it false though :hehe:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

If someone came to me in the street and called me a ****** for no reason I would kick their teeth out.

really? :worry:

[Livia]

Chaps... promise me you will never hit or kick anyone who calls you a name or you'll be the one charged with assault. Bigots are beneath you all and should be treated with the scorn and the pity they deserve.

The chap in the video who kicks the man in the head while he's on the floor is lucky he's not serving life for murder.

[Glenn.]

really? :worry:

If a homophobic thug came up to me and I felt threatened then I would do almost anything to protect myself :idc:

[Z]

Lashing out when you feel threatened in your own defence is a little different to what we see in this video where he persists on kicking him after the person has already hit the floor and backed off. Instead of moving on he continues with the violence. No excuse.

I think the context of this is a gay man in Russia is surely explanation enough for why he was kicking the **** out of the guy - gay people in Russia are vilified, lured into traps to be beaten up and humiliated, murdered by militant homophobes - this blatantly camp guy was an easy target for abuse and the guy who mouthed off at him clearly wasn't expecting to get any response back and got a nasty surprise. I'm in the gay guy's corner, I don't think violence solves anything but at least it shut one bigot up for a little while and maybe made people in the area sit back and think about what they were seeing. I feel for LGBT people in Russia.

[MTVN]

I think the context of this is a gay man in Russia is surely explanation enough for why he was kicking the **** out of the guy - gay people in Russia are vilified, lured into traps to be beaten up and humiliated, murdered by militant homophobes - this blatantly camp guy was an easy target for abuse and the guy who mouthed off at him clearly wasn't expecting to get any response back and got a nasty surprise. I'm in the gay guy's corner, I don't think violence solves anything but at least it shut one bigot up for a little while and maybe made people in the area sit back and think about what they were seeing. I feel for LGBT people in Russia.

The video description says its in Brazil :shrug:

[Z]

Oh, not sure why I thought it was in Russia, could have sworn I read that somewhere

[Kyle]

Maybe Chuck or Calderyon (is he Brazilian?) can put a bit of context onto how homosexuals and homosexual behaviour is treated in Brazil.

[Niamh.]

Maybe Chuck or Calderyon (is he Brazilian?) can put a bit of context onto how homosexuals and homosexual behaviour is treated in Brazil.

Calderyon is Finnish .......I think anyway