Jihadi John named as British Mohammed Emwazi 27 years old

[arista]

The Isis Head Cutter now named by the USA CIA
named on the Washington post.


Live on all News


He is brit

I want to see his family home.
he is a Westminster Student



This punk must get a Sniper shot in his HEAD

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/26/0A0190A900000514-2970161-image-m-52_1424948958544.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2970161/ISIS-executioner-Jihadi-John-identified-London-man-Mohammed-Emwazi.html

[arista]

http://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/02/26/National-Security/Images/jihadjohn2.jpg?uuid=meDD-L1rEeS9-rjo9ZTm7g
The Clock is ticking
I am looking at at a Dead Man walking


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/jihadi-john-the-islamic-state-killer-behind-the-mask-is-a-young-londoner/2015/02/25/d6dbab16-bc43-11e4-bdfa-b8e8f594e6ee_story.html

[The Kuwaiti-born Briton has appeared in Isis videos
in which hostages, including British aid worker Alan Henning, are murdered.]
http://news.sky.com/story/1434743/reports-identify-is-militant-jihadi-john

[arista]

He was in the London from age 6

His London Family are due to go Live on worldwide News soon
(they did not it was 2 mates , infact)

[Livia]

His family need rounding up and holding for questioning. I can't believe they knew nothing about this... if my brother dressed up like that and spoke on a sickening video like he did, I know him instantly.

[arista]

Live on TV News now


SkyNewsHD, BBCNewsHD , CNN


I do not like this mate talking

[arista]

Someone stop this Asim Qureshi Reseacher talking
about all the hard times he had


He (Jihadi john) Cut Heads off of our Charity workers


He is Fecking Evil.

[JoshBB]

His family need rounding up and holding for questioning. I can't believe they knew nothing about this... if my brother dressed up like that and spoke on a sickening video like he did, I know him instantly.

They were probably terrified of an anti-muslim attack, they are fairly common nowadays which is really sad. I understand that it is terrifying but they could have alerted the police (although it may have still got leaked to media).

[arista]

Its not his family
its mates

[armand.kay]

occasionally prayed at a mosque in Greenwich, south-east London
That's the mosque I go to Welp

[arista]

The 2 mates spoke for a fecking hour
only SkyNewsHD
covered it all

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/26/article-2970521-261EFC9C00000578-336_636x468.jpg
[Defence: Asim Qureshi, research director at the rights group CAGE,
described Mohammed Emwazi,
who is believed to be Jihadi John, as 'extremely kind' and blamed MI5 for his radicalisation]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2970521/Outrage-group-blames-MI5-radicalising-extremely-kind-Jihadi-John-fled-Syria-kill-people-ISIS.html#ixzz3Srvr6kPg


Asim do not go live on 7PM Ch4HD news
you just had a hour backing you Fecking Killer

[Livia]

They were probably terrified of an anti-muslim attack, they are fairly common nowadays which is really sad. I understand that it is terrifying but they could have alerted the police (although it may have still got leaked to media).

Awww... they were scared of being attacked. While their son/brother was hacking the heads off humanitarian workers. Gimme a break...

[Nedusa]

Glad this piece of vermin has been publicly identified, hope he's sleeping a little less soundly in his bed tonight.

Having personally decapitated at least 2 Americans I would bet the special forces have a special mission to capture him alive.

As I said before on him karma's a bitch and he will answer for his sickening brutality.

And I also agree with Livia that his family should be rounded up and publicly arrested and questioned at length about how much they knew or witheld about this creature.

Look forward to the day he is brought to US to account for his deeds.......lets see if he is as brave then.

[Livia]

...[described] Jihadi John, as 'extremely kind' and blamed MI5 for his radicalisation



Yes I bet he's an extremely kind person... and those b*stards over at MI5 made him do bad things.

[JoshBB]

Awww... they were scared of being attacked. While their son/brother was hacking the heads off humanitarian workers. Gimme a break...

They might have been though? Don't assume you know the situation. The best way to solve a conflict is to see it through the other person's viewpoint.

[Ninastar]

I'm sorry, but his family had to have some suspicions of what he was doing. And seriously, I'd bet a months pay cheque that they were somehow involved themselves.

[MTVN]

By the sounds of it the security services have known his identity for some time so I expect they've had regular contact with the family. Apparently they told his parents he was in Syria back in 2013 four months after they reported him missing

[arista]

I'm sorry, but his family had to have some suspicions of what he was doing. And seriously, I'd bet a months pay cheque that they were somehow involved themselves.


Young Lady
they were his 2 mates (who claim 6 years back
he was a loving person)
not his bloody family
maybe they are going Exclusive to get cash?


As soon as we find out
its going on this thread

[arista]

By the sounds of it the security services have known his identity for some time so I expect they've had regular contact with the family. Apparently they told his parents he was in Syria back in 2013 four months after they reported him missing
Yes but did not want it Public
its the Washington post
that leaked his name.


MI5 are busy
trying to stop these Punks

[arista]

Fecking Hell Asim is now Live with Jon Snow
on Ch4HDNews telling us MI5 made him Evil.

Well Done Jon
for telling us he was a Evil Killer

[joeysteele]

His family need rounding up and holding for questioning. I can't believe they knew nothing about this... if my brother dressed up like that and spoke on a sickening video like he did, I know him instantly.

I agree again. I would certainly know any of my family too.
They must have recognised him.

[arista]

I agree again. I would certainly know any of my family too.
They must have recognised him.



Joey His Family are not in Charge of
their Evil Son.


MI5 had his name
but its the Washington Post that leaked it.
We can not Stop USA giving his name out,

[Livia]

They might have been though? Don't assume you know the situation. The best way to solve a conflict is to see it through the other person's viewpoint.

If it was one of your loved ones beheaded by this maniac you'd probably be less concerned about his family's feelings.

I look forward to ISIL "seeing it from the other person's viewpoint".

[MTVN]

Fecking Hell Asim is now Live with Jon Snow
on Ch4HDNews telling us MI5 made him Evil.

Well Done Jon
for telling us he was a Evil Killer

Funny how he doesn't think his organisation has any responsibility despite having constant contact with Emwazi when he was clearly becoming radicalised, I don't doubt that they did very little to try and steer him from his extremist path and if anything probably facilitated it

[arista]

Good To see watching the Best News MTVN

[empire]

do not let this nutter back on british soil again,

[arista]

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[arista]

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Near Full house of all papers
its hard on a LG 30" HD Monitor


Meanwhile in West London
reporters are outside the parents flats

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/2/26/373499/default/v1/cegrab-20150226-165544-380-1-362x204.jpg

Now this 2nd mate
is on GMBHD
Claiming MI5 made Him in that way



http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/327802/image_update_img.jpg
And the Security Expert Will Geddes
was there saying it was Not MI5 that made him that way.
he works with these fellas
http://www.icpgroupcompanies.com/about.html

[Nedusa]

Apparently the reason Jihadi John came to be was the fault of the security services. They interfered with his life so much that they drove him to become radicalised.

So the blood of all those innocent beheading victims is on the hands of MI6

Just wanted to clear that up....

[arista]

The Wife of that that care worker
has said bring him back Alive to face justice.

I doubt that as USA Drones or MI6 Snipers
should kill him soon.

[Northern Monkey]

I can't actually believe that his friends are trying to blame MI5 for this evil little twat cutting peoples heads off.Wtf?
He needs torturing and then killing.

[arista]

I can't actually believe that his friends are trying to blame MI5 for this evil little twat cutting peoples heads off.Wtf?
He needs torturing and then killing.

Yes one hour yesterday only on SkyNewsHD
BBCNews left it half way through.


That bloke is deluded
I am sure The MI5 team
would try to employ him before he went Evil
that is normal.

[Nedusa]

I can't actually believe that his friends are trying to blame MI5 for this evil little twat cutting peoples heads off.Wtf?
He needs torturing and then killing.

No he doesn't need torturing and then killing, he needs torturing, then torturing some more..........then perhaps a little more torturing...then just when you think it's time to put this evil creature out of its misery....more torturing...in fact I'd keep this fcuker alive just so i could keep on torturing it.

and I would video it....all of it perhaps in weekly instalments and post it on all these Jihadi websites, with a promise that this is the future they can look forward to.

Sick fcuking cowards the lot of em...............

[Northern Monkey]

No he doesn't need torturing and then killing, he needs torturing, then torturing some more..........then perhaps a little more torturing...then just when you think it's time to put this evil creature out of its misery....more torturing...in fact I'd keep this fcuker alive just so i could keep on torturing it.

and I would video it....all of it perhaps in weekly instalments and post it on all these Jihadi websites, with a promise that this is the future they can look forward to.

Sick fcuking cowards the lot of em...............:thumbs:

[MTVN]

It's funny CAGE blaming MI5 when - I believe - they didn't even approach him until after he had tried to join Al Shabaab. They sound a pretty questionable organisation from reading about them, been described as "a front for Taliban enthusiasts and al Qaida devotees that fraudulently presents itself a human rights group"

[Livia]

It's the same kind of excuse that violent men make when they beat their wives. You made me do this...

I'd like to see him dead with his head on a pole.

[joeysteele]

The sad thing for me is that he is plastered all over the front pages of the UKs newspapers, which in part is the intention of these vile things,to get as much publicity as they can.
Which is probably to try to attract to their evil cause,or to shock and instil great fear in others.

[arista]

The sad thing for me is that he is plastered all over the front pages of the UKs newspapers, which in part is the intention of these vile things,to get as much publicity as they can.
Which is probably to try to attract to their evil cause,or to shock and instil great fear in others.


Yes and on Every USA News Station
Isis leader is well Happy
more funding goes to them
as any Extreme thinking muslims
support Isis

[Livia]

The sad thing for me is that he is plastered all over the front pages of the UKs newspapers, which in part is the intention of these vile things,to get as much publicity as they can.
Which is probably to try to attract to their evil cause,or to shock and instil great fear in others.

I agree Joey. The bloody press in this country make me despair.

[MTVN]

What's the point in the Mail and the Sun printing that school picture but blanking his face :shrug:

[Kizzy]

It's strange to say the security services made him that way, why would he be known to them initially if he hadn't already started down the path to radicalisation enough to be identified as a possible threat?

[Suze]

No he doesn't need torturing and then killing, he needs torturing, then torturing some more..........then perhaps a little more torturing...then just when you think it's time to put this evil creature out of its misery....more torturing...in fact I'd keep this fcuker alive just so i could keep on torturing it.

and I would video it....all of it perhaps in weekly instalments and post it on all these Jihadi websites, with a promise that this is the future they can look forward to.

Sick fcuking cowards the lot of em...............


Omg! I feel so bad for even thinking this, but hey he is the epitome of evil, so I sort of agree with you in that I would prefer him and others involved to suffer rather than the easy way out imo of a quick killing.

[smudgie]

Perhaps it's time to stop pussyfooting around these evil nutters.
Start with deportation of anyone related to them:shrug:
Yeah I know...human rights and all that crap.:sleep:

[arista]

Perhaps it's time to stop pussyfooting around these evil nutters.
Start with deportation of anyone related to them:shrug:
Yeah I know...human rights and all that crap.:sleep:


No
its only him that went Evil
at 6 years old he started well in London
But now
after joining Isis
he is the most wanted dead man walking.
There is a leader above him in Syria
, of course

[smudgie]

No
its only him that went Evil
at 6 years old he started well in London
But now
after joining Isis
he is the most wanted dead man walking.
There is a leader above him in Syria
, of course

Yeah, I realise that ARISTA.
The îdea of deporting the families was for ît to be a deterrent to the actual evil member, but on reflection, they would not really care.

[Northern Monkey]

It's strange to say the security services made him that way, why would he be known to them initially if he hadn't already started down the path to radicalisation enough to be identified as a possible threat?Yes very true.He apparently tried to join a terrorist organisation before he ever spoke to MI5.Al Shabab i think.

[Northern Monkey]

The sad thing for me is that he is plastered all over the front pages of the UKs newspapers, which in part is the intention of these vile things,to get as much publicity as they can.
Which is probably to try to attract to their evil cause,or to shock and instil great fear in others.

Yeah he's getting exactly what he wants.The press just see £'s,That's all that matters to them.

[kirklancaster]

THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS SUBJECT SO I MAKE NO APOLOGY FOR THE LENGTH OF THIS POST. IT IS, ANYWAY, CONSIDERABLY SHORTER THAN THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE B.S. 'CAGE' PRESS CONFERENCE, AND UNLIKE THAT, IS FULL OF TRUTHS - SO READ IT AND WEEP OR READ IT AND RAGE.

The ‘Cage’ ‘Press Conference’ was nothing more than over one hour of carefully orchestrated Pro-Islamic Terrorist, Anti-Western propaganda by a patently Pro-Islamic Terrorist, Anti-Western organisation which masquerades as a ‘Charity’.

The entire proceedings were obviously well rehearsed, the dialogue scripted, and even the setting carefully plotted to give maximum advantage to the three Islamic Terrorist apologists who held centre stage; with no microphones or poor quality microphones being provided for the ‘audience’ so the questions were almost inaudible, whilst the Three Stooges sound system was assured.

This rendered it almost impossible for TV viewers to ascertain whether the ‘answers’ given by Asim Qureshi, Research Director of CAGE and Cerie Bullivant did, indeed, address the questions from the audience or not – though it barely mattered, because to all but the most cretinous of Islamic Terrorist Apologists, every word which issued from this duo’s mouths was nothing more than treasonous and disgusting, anti-Western, Anti-British, Pro-Islamic Fundamentalist propaganda.

Practised liar Asim Qureshi the ‘moderate Muslim’ ‘Research Director’ of ‘charity’ ‘Cage’, is the same hate-filled Islamic Extremist who was recorded at Protest Rallies against the War in Iraq throughout 2006 calling for all his Muslim brothers and sisters (in the UK) to support the Jihadists, and is on record elsewhere as agreeing fully with Sharia Law and justifying ‘Stoning to death’ and other of its barbaric medieval punishments.

‘Cage’ purports to be a ‘Charity’ and is afforded considerable financial and other benefits within the UK because of this, yet impartial scrutiny of its website will persuade otherwise, and confirm that it is nothing more than a highly dangerous, treasonous, anti-UK pro-Islamic Fundamentalist terrorist propaganda organisation.

Everything on this website is Islamic Terrorist Apolegetical as the most cursory glance of the headlines suggest and as deeper analysis of the articles beneath such headlines confirm:

“Jihadi John: 'Radicalised' by Britain “
“CAGE quoted on ITV on Woolwich report ignoring core issues behind the attack”

“CAGE in the BBC on illiberal, disproportionate and dangerous new anti terror bill”

What is more; in the same cocksure arrogant manner that the abhorrent Asim Qureshi did not try to hide the contempt in his voice, the smirk on his lips, or the mocking gleam in his eyes, during the ‘Jihadi John’ B.S. ‘Cage’ Press Conference, his organisation do not even attempt to disguise the fact that their whole ‘raison d’etre’ is the support of Islamic Terrorists.

Look at the tag:

“We provide a voice for survivors on the war on terror...”

Which would appear to refer to those innocent victims who somehow escaped the Jihadist blade, survived their bullets, or fled their homes before these monsters moved into their hitherto peaceful villages with their AK47’s and started their campaigns of rape, abduction and slaughter. Then click on the tag and feast your eyes on an extensive list of Islamic Terrorist Propaganda articles.

IT IS TIME THE UK GOVERNMENT RESCINDED THIS TREASONOUS ORGANISATION’S CHARITY STATUS AND BANNED IT ALTOGETHER.

And what of Jihadi John?

Like Asim Quershi; he is a UK immigrant, so he and his family were welcomed into this country and provided with all the many benefits this great democracy has to offer; comfortable housing, law and order, the NHS and one of the best educational systems in the world, including the excellent university education he enjoyed. (Which totally justifies my controversial contentions in other posts concerning immigration and terrorism. )

Yet – despite the B.S. claims of Quershi to the contrary - Jihadi John, or Mohammed Emwazi, to use his real name now that the cowardly bastard has been unmasked, freely ELECTED to leave this country and all its benefits, and travel to Syria to become a murdering Jihadist – whose very aim is the total demise of this country and every other democratic country just like it.

As for Querashi, and Emwazi’s other close friends and his family “being unaware that he was Jihadi John”, this is just more pure, unadulterated lies.

I do not believe for one moment that Sonia Sutcliffe – wife of the ‘Yorkshire Ripper’ Peter Sutcliffe, did not know or seriously suspect that he was the ripper. He was already on record as sneaking up behind a prostitute and hitting her on the head with a ‘stone in a sock’ well before he was unmasked as the ripper.

In addition, I believe, that any aberrations, kinks or sexual proclivities in a person – especially male – tend to be confided sooner or later to their partner during sex in any type of long term relationship such as marriage. If violent fantasy ‘turned’ Sutcliffe ‘on’ – which it undoubtedly did - then it is logical to assume that such a deviant will try to incorporate such fantasies into his sex life, so Sonia would have been well aware that her husband fitted the profile of the ripper – not to mention his unexplained absences and erratic behaviour.

(This is borne out by the Jimmy Savile case, where hundreds of people were actually aware of this monster’s sexual deviancy and indiscriminate predatory nature because it was impossible for Savile to conceal his proclivities.)

Similarly then, I find it impossible to believe that someone as extreme in his ideologies as Emwazi was, could have concealed his Islamic Fundamentalism from those closest to him, even if he chose to try to; which I doubt that he would even bother to, him being – in my opinion – among like-minded people.

When Emwazi suddenly left home and England, either his parents, family and close friends KNEW where he was going and also obviously then, WHY he was going, or they did not know, which beggars the questions;

A) Did did they become concerned by his continued absence?
B) Did they eventually notify the police?

When the police informed his family that Emwazi was in Syria, then they KNEW that he was in the very country which is at the heart of the IS campaign, and also KNOWING their son’s ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST leanings WHY THEN DID THEY NOT RECOGNISE HIM BY HIS VOICE, AND ALSO HIS EYES AND POSTURE?

The short and unavoidable answer is that they did.

But as Querashi stated during the ‘Jihadi John’ B.S. press conference, no British Muslim’s are going to ‘grass their own up and turn them into the security services’.

This fact of culpability amongst some of the perceived ordinary ‘moderate’ Muslims domiciled within the UK who have knowledge of terrorists which could greatly aid our security services but who will not pass on such knowledge, will not sit easily with some people, but it is, nonetheless still a fact.

This fact is borne out in the earlier case of the Southall based terrorist Imran Khawaja, who tried to sneak back into the UK after joining the Islamic terrorist group Rayat al-Tawheed (R.A.T) in Syria, where he featured in propaganda videos including one video where he is holding the severed head of a Syrian government soldier, during which he mocked the West and all ‘Kaffirs’.

Many of Khawaja’s ‘ordinary’ Muslim friends in London KNEW of his Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorist leanings and and his activities, but not one showed any allegiance to the UK by informing on him to the Security Services. Instead some of them actually aided and abetted him:

His friend, Ealing based Asim Ali, funded Khawaji’s terrorism by lending him money to travel to Syria to join RAT, and his Watford based cousin Tahir Bhatti, helped him to try to re-enter the UK for 5th Columnist purposes by travelling to pick him up in Bulgaria in June 2014, and drive him back to Britain.

IT IS TIME TO REMOVE THE ‘BLINKERS’ AND READ THE ‘WRITING ON THE WALL’ BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

There is a definite link between Terrorism and Immigration and that link becomes more glaringly evident every single day.

Besides the demonic Mohammed ‘Jihadi John’ Emwazi, and the equally as evil Imran Khawaja, there are many more examples of immigrant terrorists, just some of which include:

Michael Adebolajo, and Michael Adebowale, the barbaric murderers of Lee Rigby who are both British born to immigrant Nigerian parents.

Three of the terrorists responsible for the 2005 London 7/7 bombings which killed 56 people and maimed another 700, were born to immigrant Pakistani parents.

The attack on the Glasgow International Airport was carried out by two Muslims; one a British-born doctor of Iraqi descent.

Add to these the many UK domiciled terrorist sympathisers, apologists and co-conspirators, such as: Asim Qureshi, Cerie Bullivant Asim Ali, Tahir Bhatti, and many others, then take into account the UK domiciled ‘hate preachers’ such as Anjem Choudhary Mizanur Rahman, Abu Hamza, and the link between immigration and terrorism becomes even more irrefutable.

From hate preachers radicalising Muslim students in our universities, to long ensconced ‘moles’ within our Civil Service and other ‘Official’ policy making bodies, to the establishing of Islamic training camps under a pretext of more benign functions, 'Fifth Columnist' immigrant Islamic Extremists are also hard at work throughout this country working under our very noses towards their despicable goal of Islamifying the UK:

As far back as 2008, the UK’s ‘Security Service’s Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre’ included University College London in a list of 12 universities that had a very real problem with Islamic ‘extremism’ and official figures show that over 30% of all British domiciled terrorists had University educations in Britain.

In 2006 the ‘Jameah Islamic School’ in East Sussex - an apparently benign ordinary school for Muslims - was found to actually be an Al Qaeda training camp, and there are others.

Asim Qureshi himself complains in an interview that: “People working in the Civil Service are being approached by the UK Security Services and asked to ‘spy’ on their Muslim co-workers – so perhaps the authorities have finally woken up to the ‘Fifth Columnists’ which I have long been (controversially) writing about in lengthy posts on here for months.

None of the above takes into account the many, many, attempted atrocities by British Domicile Immigrants, which have been thwarted by our hard-pressed Security Services, and these include: plots to kill another British soldier, to set off a bomb at the 2012 London Olympics, and to hijack and blow up British commercial aeroplanes, in addition to plots by British based Muslims to finance Islamic extremist terrorism. One such case in 2011 involved four men who were charged with fundraising for terrorism as well as being charged with travelling to Pakistan for terrorist training.

THE LINK BETWEEN IMMIGRATION AND TERRORISM IS INCREASINGLY GLARING AND IT IS TIME TO TAKE OFF THE BLINKERS AND SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

I now do not care how many people I upset, or how much controversy my views cause, I have a democratic right to air my opinions and I will do so. If I was alone in this world I would not be so expressive, but I am not; I brought three children into it, and my concern is for their future and their children’s future.

This world, this beautiful country does not belong to any of us, it was here before us and we are just ‘caretakers’ for future generations. This being so, I cannot help sincerely believing that continuing to allow the Islamification of the UK by being blind, blinkered, apologetic, or appeasing, is not only betraying those brave patriots who have historically fought and gave their lives to maintain our democracy, it is also betraying our children and future generations by denying them the same freedoms in life that we take for granted.

I will leave the last words to Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, who recently said: “Immigration hinders anti-terror efforts”

[arista]

Yeah, I realise that ARISTA.
The îdea of deporting the families was for ît to be a deterrent to the actual evil member, but on reflection, they would not really care.


would not work.


His parents are Law Abiding Brits.

He Is Evil and now its a matter of Time Before USA or UK
kill him.

He is The Star of Isis
the leaders are also being tracked.


But without Boots on the Ground its messy
And its wrong to even want USA/UK Troops
in Syria Fighting,
as what Bush /Blair Did in Iraq
is the start of all this.



Isis need their own nation
thats all.

[Tom4784]

I strongly disagree with all the posts in this thread that's that the family should stand accused and/or face some sort of punishment because of guilt by association. This man doesn't speak for his family and, unless there's evidence to suggest otherwise, his family should be free of suspicion.

If they were a white christian family they would not face such scrutiny.

[arista]

I strongly disagree with all the posts in this thread that's that the family should stand accused and/or face some sort of punishment because of guilt by association. This man doesn't speak for his family and, unless there's evidence to suggest otherwise, his family should be free of suspicion.

If they were a white christian family they would not face such scrutiny.

They are and
so far have not left there West London Home
I think they should do a exclusive to the Guardian Paper.

[arista]

Ch4HD News is now telling us about his Emails
about Tanzania

[kirklancaster]

I strongly disagree with all the posts in this thread that's that the family should stand accused and/or face some sort of punishment because of guilt by association. This man doesn't speak for his family and, unless there's evidence to suggest otherwise, his family should be free of suspicion.

If they were a white christian family they would not face such scrutiny.

I have given my reasons why I personally feel that his family and friends are not innocents in this matter and they are based on logical assumption - not irrational prejudice.

I am not advocating punishing them in any way, but I feel that I have a right to state my suspicions.

As for; "If they were a white Christian family" this is inverted racism, but the reason "it would not face such scrutiny" is that it is not 'White Christians' who are currently committing atrocity after atrocity all over the world, so the contention is inapplicable.

This war is not a religious one, nor a racist one, nor even a Muslim one - it is one started by inhuman barbaric monsters against the rest of humanity - including poor Muslims.

[coffee]

Why the F is there no photos anywhere of his face?
If we know who he is now then the families home should be raided and all photos published for everyone to see!

[kirklancaster]

Why the F is there no photos anywhere of his face?
If we know who he is now then the families home should be raided and all photos published for everyone to see!

An excellent point Coffee:thumbs:.

[arista]

Why the F is there no photos anywhere of his face?
If we know who he is now then the families home should be raided and all photos published for everyone to see!


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[arista]

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[kirklancaster]

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This is what so infuriates me about this Arista; this **** looks like he couldn't fight Micky Mouse in a one-on-one, but because he is group handed and armed to the teeth, he acts like some brave, superhero over bound and weaponless outnumbered men - some of who would most certainly beat him senseless in a fair fight.

It reminds me of pimply faced weedy Nazi's manhandling Jews in the concentration camps - some of who would have have whupped their asses in different circumstances.

Fecking sickening.

[Johnnyuk123]

If anyone hates Great Britain so much why live here in the first place?

[kirklancaster]

If anyone hates Great Britain so much why live here in the first place?

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Exactly Johnny.

[arista]

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The Words of this Front Page
speak for many of us

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Schoolboy: Mohammed Emwazi,
also known as the merciless
killer Jihadi John, is pictured here
at secondary school]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2972757/Fury-charities-fund-ISIS-Jihadi-John-apologists.html#ixzz3T2MDMEPi

[arista]

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Sure he like Sports
but had Anger problems
and Turned after getting to Syria Isis HQ



He is a Walking Dead Man

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes and its all the security services fault

That Cage charity needs to be shut down asap

[Firewire]

If anyone hates Great Britain so much why live here in the first place?

He was born here

[arista]

He was born here


No he was not
he came here at 6 years old
Born In Kuwait

[Firewire]

No he was not
he came here at 6 years old
Born In Kuwait

Oh oops

[Kazanne]

Why do people keep saying he is British?he's not ,he was born in Kuwait he just lived here for a while.

[arista]

Why do people keep saying he is British?he's not ,he was born in Kuwait he just lived hereb for a while.

Some do not use the Links
just look at the Front Pages I post.


Also BBCNews is not saying it enough
everytime they report

[Amy Jade]

Livia on point in this thread :worship:

[Vicky.]

Why do people keep saying he is British?he's not ,he was born in Kuwait he just lived hereb for a while.

Tbh I would class him as british if hes lived here since being a child :shrug:

Mind he clearly doesnt class himself as british

[armand.kay]

I think people are being to harsh on the family from what we know they've done nothing wrong and until there is evidence to suggest otherwise I think people should leave off.

[armand.kay]

Why do people keep saying he is British?he's not ,he was born in Kuwait he just lived hereb for a while.

He is probably a British citizen

[Amy Jade]

I hope he is caught and tortured not killed, he needs to be punished not put out of his misery.

In defense of his family they may well have come forward ages ago but the goverment wanted to keep it hush hush. If they did know though and kept quiet they are disgusting and should be deported.

[arista]

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[waterhog]

i am going to do a poem on this guy. its brewing.

[sassysocks]

I strongly disagree with all the posts in this thread that's that the family should stand accused and/or face some sort of punishment because of guilt by association. This man doesn't speak for his family and, unless there's evidence to suggest otherwise, his family should be free of suspicion.

If they were a white christian family they would not face such scrutiny.

Most damaged/evil men are the product of their upbringing. In other words their families/parents are rarely innocent in their crimes. You can't defend the undefendable. Honestly I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such naivity!

[Kizzy]

All murderers parents are guilty due to negative influences during primary socialisation?...

[sassysocks]

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Inadequate nobody who has to brutally murder the defenceless in order to get his ugly mug in the papers - masked or unmasked.

Bet the coward is wetting himself now he is unmasked.

Just one more psycho that belongs in Broadmoor.

[MTVN]

Obviously parental and familial influence is always important but just as obviously there are going to be numerous other factors which can override the parental aspect. A lot of well meaning parents can end up despairing what their kids become despite their best efforts. Particularly in London you're going to be open to so many other influences and when you get to a certain age there's only so much control your parents can exert over your actions. Look at Michael Adebalajo: his family were a hard working Christian one - are they responsible for his conversion to extreme Islam? Would they be pleased about it? We don't really know anything about Emwazi's family. We know they reported him missing to the police four months before it was discovered he was in Syria - who's to say they haven't been in contact with the security services this whole time? It's impossible to speculate.

[arista]

Obviously parental and familial influence is always important but just as obviously there are going to be numerous other factors which can override the parental aspect. A lot of well meaning parents can end up despairing what their kids become despite their best efforts. Particularly in London you're going to be open to so many other influences and when you get to a certain age there's only so much control your parents can exert over your actions. Look at Michael Adebalajo: his family were a hard working Christian one - are they responsible for his conversion to extreme Islam? Would they be pleased about it? We don't really know anything about Emwazi's family. We know they reported him missing to the police four months before it was discovered he was in Syria - who's to say they haven't been in contact with the security services this whole time? It's impossible to speculate.

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Yes another Coward
he could not fight face to face
had to use a Car first to run down Lee Rigby
so he would then try to hack his head off.
A Public Lady slowed that down
until Armed police arrived.

[Livia]

While this man - and I use the term in its loosest possible sense - was doing the rounds on Youtube, cutting the heads off of innocent people, people who were there to report, or to help with humanitarian aid, and the whole world was asking who this monster was, his family knew. The families of the people he is responsible for killing begged and pleaded with ISIL to show some mercy... and they did not. And all the time Emwazi's family kept quiet. They need to be questioned about what else they've kept quiet about and I would be disappointed if that's not what's happening right now.

[joeysteele]

While this man - and I use the term in its loosest possible sense - was doing the rounds on Youtube, cutting the heads off of innocent people, people who were there to report, or to help with humanitarian aid, and the whole world was asking who this monster was, his family knew. The families of the people he is responsible for killing begged and pleaded with ISIL to show some mercy... and they did not. And all the time Emwazi's family kept quiet. They need to be questioned, about what else they've kept quiet about and I would be disappointed if that's not what's happening right now.

I am with you completely as to that Livia, your points are very hard indeed to be able to fault in any way, in my view as to this situation.

[Suze]

While this man - and I use the term in its loosest possible sense - was doing the rounds on Youtube, cutting the heads off of innocent people, people who were there to report, or to help with humanitarian aid, and the whole world was asking who this monster was, his family knew. The families of the people he is responsible for killing begged and pleaded with ISIL to show some mercy... and they did not. And all the time Emwazi's family kept quiet. They need to be questioned about what else they've kept quiet about and I would be disappointed if that's not what's happening right now.


Totally agree with you, Livia. I don't see that there is any way they couldn't have known, and many lives could well have been saved if they had just spoken out.

[MTVN]

How do we know they kept quiet? They reported him missing to the police four months before it was discovered he was in Syria, that surely suggests they were not aware of his plans. And the security services have known of his identity for some time so how do we know they didn't have regular communication with the family? The family aren't going to publicly out him if the security services are asking them to keep schtum are they?

[Tom4784]

Most damaged/evil men are the product of their upbringing. In other words their families/parents are rarely innocent in their crimes. You can't defend the undefendable. Honestly I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such naivity!

You're presenting baseless speculation as fact so do not brand me naive when you're making snap judgments based on nothing but your own prejudice.

There is no reason to believe that the family is involved at this point, if there was any valid reason to do so then you can bet we would have heard about it by now but since there isn't then there's no point in condemning them.

[Livia]

How do we know they kept quiet? They reported him missing to the police four months before it was discovered he was in Syria, that surely suggests they were not aware of his plans. And the security services have known of his identity for some time so how do we know they didn't have regular communication with the family? The family aren't going to publicly out him if the security services are asking them to keep schtum are they?

My personal feeling is that if the security services had known his identity from the off, then it would have been made public and so taken all the mystery and speculation out of it, which tends to give these things an air of mystery. In any case... if the family have not been a part of this before I feel sure they're now helping with enquiries.

[arista]

My personal feeling is that if the security services had known his identity from the off, then it would have been made public and so taken all the mystery and speculation out of it, which tends to give these things an air of mystery. In any case... if the family have not been a part of this before I feel sure they're now helping with enquiries.


But MI5
did not want him public as he was to be Shot
out there,
the USA Washington post
put his name out,
now Front pages for days will be his mates
ex girls etc

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[Toy Soldier]

My personal feeling is that if the security services had known his identity from the off, then it would have been made public and so taken all the mystery and speculation out of it, which tends to give these things an air of mystery. In any case... if the family have not been a part of this before I feel sure they're now helping with enquiries.

If it is true that this man had been approached by / watched by MI5 in the past, then honestly I think it's unlikely to the point of bearing nearly impossible that they didn't know - or at least have a very good idea - that he had become "Jihadi John". You're always saying how great these services are at their jobs. If the agents who had approached / watch him didn't realise it was him... Then they're not "great" at all, they are in fact quite unbelievably useless.

If everyone is so sure that his family "must have" recognised him then professionals - trained in observation techniques - who had been examining him previously "must have" recognised him, too. They may well have had their reasons for not releasing his identity but I personally have no doubt that they've pretty much known his identity since the very first video.

[Livia]

That's a lot of buts and what ifs TS. And a bit of an attack on our security services who ARE great at their jobs. Thing is, we'll never know the workings of what went on with this man and MI5. That's why they're called the secret service.

It surprises me slightly that more onus is being given to a terrorist's family's feelings when so many other families have been left bereft in the most horrible way by their son's actions. I am not of the mind that they are involved in terrorism necessarily, but I am pro-them being questioned... which is what a lot of people on here seem to be against as they view them as victims. And I'd be surprised if that is either happening right now, or has already happened. And not just his family, all his friends too.

[Tom4784]

That's a lot of buts and what ifs TS. And a bit of an attack on our security services who ARE great at their jobs. Thing is, we'll never know the workings of what went on with this man and MI5. That's why they're called the secret service.

It surprises me slightly that more onus is being given to a terrorist's family's feelings when so many other families have been left bereft in the most horrible way by their son's actions. I am not of the mind that they are involved in terrorism necessarily, but I am pro-them being questioned... which is what a lot of people on here seem to be against as they view them as victims. And I'd be surprised if that is either happening right now, or has already happened. And not just his family, all his friends too.

Not against them being questioned like any family whose had someone commit a grave crime, I am against them being treated like criminals based on nothing more than speculation though. If there's evidence of wrongdoing then go to town on them otherwise it's guilt by association.

[Kizzy]

That's a lot of buts and what ifs TS. And a bit of an attack on our security services who ARE great at their jobs. Thing is, we'll never know the workings of what went on with this man and MI5. That's why they're called the secret service.

It surprises me slightly that more onus is being given to a terrorist's family's feelings when so many other families have been left bereft in the most horrible way by their son's actions. I am not of the mind that they are involved in terrorism necessarily, but I am pro-them being questioned... which is what a lot of people on here seem to be against as they view them as victims. And I'd be surprised if that is either happening right now, or has already happened. And not just his family, all his friends too.

'... if the family have not been a part of this before I feel sure they're now helping with enquiries.'
This is an even bigger if...
The secret services are so named for doing things in secret I thought, why on earth would the public be privvy to anything they do?
The net would be closing in on him from the minute he was identified, naturally then his family will have been made aware and questioned nobody has any reason to suspect his family was anything but complicit in that. Had information had been leaked that those close to him were spoken to wouldn't that have just driven him further underground?

[waterhog]

the further underground he goes - the longer way his has to go for air - tick tock.

[Toy Soldier]

That's a lot of buts and what ifs TS. And a bit of an attack on our security services who ARE great at their jobs. Thing is, we'll never know the workings of what went on with this man and MI5. That's why they're called the secret service.


It's not... It's one "if", which was "if he had previously been on the MI5 radar", an "if" that has been quite widely reported as being the case. It's also not an attack on our security services, I'm sure they are great at what they do, which is why I'm 100% convinced that they knew - or were at least close to positive of - the identity of "Jihadi John" as soon as they saw the first video.

Of course we can't "know the ins and outs" but like I said, only one "if". "If" he had previously been examined by MI5. Taking that as accurate, then in my opinion there are only two options. They knew it was him, or they are incompetent. Incompetent in the same way that Lois Lane is an incompetent reporter when she looks at Superman and doesn't realise that it's her partner Clark Kent.

He isn't covering his eyes in the videos and the eyes are the biggest component in natural facial recognition. If this man was a "person of interest" to any MI5 agent who then saw those videos (as one would assume all MI5 agents did) then they would have flagged him instantly.

I believe that to be the case. I don't think they're useless or incompetent, I think they knew he was their man but kept it under wraps for whatever reason. I don't even think that's necessarily a bad thing. It might have been a very GOOD reason. And now either they no longer need it to be secret / it's beneficial to have his identity revealed, or the cat was escaping the bag anyway.

[Toy Soldier]

As a hypothesis: they may well have been watching his known associates and, that being the case, it would be prudent to not reveal that they knew his identity as those known associates would then take more precautions or modify their behaviour.

That's just one of endless possible reasons that they wouldn't want the identity of this butcher to be public knowledge.

[sassysocks]

You're presenting baseless speculation as fact so do not brand me naive when you're making snap judgments based on nothing but your own prejudice.

There is no reason to believe that the family is involved at this point, if there was any valid reason to do so then you can bet we would have heard about it by now but since there isn't then there's no point in condemning them.

Most disturbed people are the product of their upbringing. That expression does not come from nowhere, it comes from fact. Ask any psychologist.
You are as blinkered as you accuse me of being.

As another poster has pointed out, do you really think his parents didn't know their own son, even with the mask. I would be surprised if they don't condone and support his actions. He is clearly a deeply disturbed individual - how could any decent parent fail to recognise that. More likely they are part of the problem.

[Livia]

Not against them being questioned like any family whose had someone commit a grave crime, I am against them being treated like criminals based on nothing more than speculation though. If there's evidence of wrongdoing then go to town on them otherwise it's guilt by association.

The strongest thing I've said on this thread is that they should be rounded up for questioning. There could be a wealth of information they could pass on that they don't even know is important. I'm not suggesting shipping them off to Guantanamo based purely on the fact that they're related.

[arista]

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So he is clever - He is still Dead Man Walking

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[Tom4784]

Most disturbed people are the product of their upbringing. That expression does not come from nowhere, it comes from fact. Ask any psychologist.
You are as blinkered as you accuse me of being.

As another poster has pointed out, do you really think his parents didn't know their own son, even with the mask. I would be surprised if they don't condone and support his actions. He is clearly a deeply disturbed individual - how could any decent parent fail to recognise that. More likely they are part of the problem.

By blaming his family you're just turning them into a scapegoat for his actions. You are absolving this man of his guilt by even thinking of blaming anyone but him for his own actions.

Sometimes people are just bastards even if they have a good upbringing, Parents can only do so much, not every psychopath has a tragic backstory. His family is not responsible for his actions, he is not a child. He's a grown ass monster that committed these atrocities of his own accord.

[Niamh.]

Is it just me who thinks he looks like Ali G in that photo with the cap on?

[arista]

Is it just me who thinks he looks like Ali G in that photo with the cap on?


Yes he did look like him



Its a old photo


The Walking DeadPunk is fatter face now

[Niamh.]

Obviously parental and familial influence is always important but just as obviously there are going to be numerous other factors which can override the parental aspect. A lot of well meaning parents can end up despairing what their kids become despite their best efforts. Particularly in London you're going to be open to so many other influences and when you get to a certain age there's only so much control your parents can exert over your actions. Look at Michael Adebalajo: his family were a hard working Christian one - are they responsible for his conversion to extreme Islam? Would they be pleased about it? We don't really know anything about Emwazi's family. We know they reported him missing to the police four months before it was discovered he was in Syria - who's to say they haven't been in contact with the security services this whole time? It's impossible to speculate.

Yes, I agree with this

[Nedusa]

Most damaged/evil men are the product of their upbringing. In other words their families/parents are rarely innocent in their crimes. You can't defend the undefendable. Honestly I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such naivity!

I do not think we can blame the parents for their sons obvious psycopathy, this is a serious mental affliction which is most definitely nature not nurture.

I do think however the parents have some serious questions to ask as they would certainly have been well aware of their sons growing psychopathic nature.

Psychopathy is very hard to mask especially in adolescence where the behaviour starts to become harder to suppress. Almost certainly they would have been aware of his strange cruel erractic behaviour and it is no credit to them that they decided to ignore his growing problems and turn a blind eye.

It beggars belief that this man did not receive medical help as a teenager and that his obvious psychopathic nature was allowed to be nutured and develop under the backdrop of radical religious extremism.

This radicalisation finally allowing this man's evil psychotic mindset to manifest itself in his brutal murderous actions.

[MTVN]

Andrew Neil is destroying the CAGE bloke on This Week right now, good stuff

[the truth]

im amazed the loony liberals haven't blamed all this on the daily mail, they usually do