Immigration up 300,000!

[Crimson Dynamo]

The numbers, for the year ending in September 2014, are now well above the level of migration when David Cameron came to power in 2010.

UKIP, which campaigns for Britain to leave the EU and wants an Australian-style work permit system, said the government "should be ashamed of its abject failure to keep control of the constantly rising numbers of those arriving here".

http://gozonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Illegal_Immigrants_Cirkewwa.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31638174



and the odiously put this news out today to be buried by the Jimmy Saville report on the hospital - sad.

Office for National Statistics announces a net flow of 298,000 migrants to the UK in the 12 months to last September


Still, lets just focus on UKIP being Nazis like the present Government want you to focus on :idc:

[lostalex]

Clearly this is Nick Clegg's doing.

[Firewire]

The more the merrier, they're building loads of new houses near me

[Crimson Dynamo]

Clearly this is Nick Clegg's doing.

No he is having a pop at Cameron today about it. :shocked:

[arista]

Yes Clegg on LBC Radio and Vision (Clip on SkyNewsHD)
Blamed the Conservatives outright.

[arista]

The more the merrier, they're building loads of new houses near me



Up North (County Durham)
there are houses at £1
but they can not sell them
15 mins report last night
on Ch4HD news

[Livia]

When the last scrap of land has been built on, can we then have a sensible conversation about curbing immigration, without being labelled a racist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

When the last scrap of land has been built on, can we then have a sensible conversation about curbing immigration, without being labelled a racist?

https://willswordsofwisdom.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/obama-racist-test.jpg

[Kizzy]

How many people left?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How many people left?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/81254000/gif/_81254354_net_migration_chart_v2.gif

[Cherie]

Yay for us immigrants :cheer2:

[Kyle]

No worries, there's still plenty of farm and woodland round the back of my house we can turn into residential areas.

[Cherie]

No worries, there's still plenty of farm and woodland round the back of my house we can turn into residential areas.

I'll bring my tent ..oh wait I own my own home :hehe:

[Livia]

No worries, there's still plenty of farm and woodland round the back of my house we can turn into residential areas.

I notice that every single village near me is having massive amount of construction, loads of houses going up on the edges of the villages. Pretty soon they're all going to join up and that'll be that.

[Kyle]

I'll bring my tent ..oh wait I own my own home :hehe:

Have a medal.

[Josy]

I notice that every single village near me is having massive amount of construction, loads of houses going up on the edges of the villages. Pretty soon they're all going to join up and that'll be that.

Also noticed this near my area Livia, my village is semi rural but by the time the houses have been all been built it looks like we will be almost connected to the nearest village.

[Kyle]

I notice that every single village near me is having massive amount of construction, loads of houses going up on the edges of the villages. Pretty soon they're all going to join up and that'll be that.

Livingston up where my Grandad lives is doing the same. When I was a kid there was a massive field and woodland area around his estate and now the houses they've built on it are so close up it's arse end it feels and looks horrible. I'm sure Scotland has a lower population density overall than down here so they can take it I'm sure but it crushes me to see wall to wall houses springing up.

[Cherie]

Have a medal.

Don't be a sourpuss, here have a read of this


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study

[arista]

No worries, there's still plenty of farm and woodland round the back of my house we can turn into residential areas.


County Durham
House is just £1 to buy

[Cherie]

Livingston up where my Grandad lives is doing the same. When I was a kid there was a massive field and woodland area around his estate and now the houses they've built on it are so close up it's arse end it feels and looks horrible. I'm sure Scotland has a lower population density overall than down here so they can take it I'm sure but it crushes me to see wall to wall houses springing up.

Are these houses for sale?

[Kyle]

Don't be a sourpuss, here have a read of this


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study

It ain't EU migrants my town has had a massive influx of in the last 20 years.

Are these houses for sale?

Some are.

[Kizzy]

I thought private enterprise was good... Not on your doorstep?

[Marsh.]

Ice berg right ahead!!!

[JoshBB]

We could do what South Korea is doing and build buildings that are really tall instead of wide, much more space for people. More space for jobs too.

[Kizzy]

They're called high rise... Dan T Smith had that idea, it didn't work :laugh:

[Cherie]

Ice berg right ahead!!!

More of a frosty reception than an iceberg.

[Nedusa]

The numbers, for the year ending in September 2014, are now well above the level of migration when David Cameron came to power in 2010.

UKIP, which campaigns for Britain to leave the EU and wants an Australian-style work permit system, said the government "should be ashamed of its abject failure to keep control of the constantly rising numbers of those arriving here".

http://gozonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Illegal_Immigrants_Cirkewwa.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31638174



and the odiously put this news out today to be buried by the Jimmy Saville report on the hospital - sad.

Office for National Statistics announces a net flow of 298,000 migrants to the UK in the 12 months to last September


Still, lets just focus on UKIP being Nazis like the present Government want you to focus on :idc:

Good to see this News story, hope there are a hundred more just like it or even worse to come out from now to the election.

I hope everyone in the Country is properly disgusted with this Govt and previous Govt's abject failure to stem the tide of immigration into this small Island.

Great News I hope by the time the election arrives people are rightly outraged about this situation and UKIP benefits accordingly.

[user104658]

Eek! Eeeeek! Help! 300,000?? That's an army! Do you have any idea how many dogs all of those immigrants will eat? None of our pets will be safe NONE of them I say! Plus latest statistics suggest that 299,997 of those immigrants are Muslims who have been genetically engineered to have highly explosive blood. If they start mingling with the general population and then someone lights a match? Boom, guys. Game over. Game ****ing over. AND that's not to mention the fact that, unlike us in the UK, immigrant fetuses have a gestation period of only 3 weeks instead of 9 months. Immigrant women have, on average, 27.9 children meaning that each family has an annual benefits bill of 1.72 million pounds. Think they'll be required to seek work? THINK AGAIN. All immigrants are deemed unfit for work, as where we Brits have hands, immigrants only have razor-sharp claw-like growths (and lack opposable thumbs).

Three hundred freaking thousand. Ladies and gentlemen, this truly is the end of days. Christians, grab your bibles. Jews, grab your... the first part of the bible(?). Jehovah's Witnesses, return to your homes and lock the doors. Atheists, just grab your balls and hold on for dear life. War is upon us. Each and every man, woman and child may be called upon to fight for our homes, for our lives, for our very souls at ANY given moment. To be perfectly frank - our battle will be futile - but what choice do we have? And let me ask you, will you die on your knees, or will you go down swinging?? I say we fight! I say we take to the streets in anger! I say we prepare a great HORSE with WINGS OF FIRE and GATLING GUNS attached to its mighty flanks, and we mount Nigel Farage upon that horse, and we go with him into the very heart of London and ask - nay, we DEMAND - that next year, Immigration be no more than 250,000. We can do this!

[Livia]

Eek! Eeeeek! Help! 300,000?? That's an army! Do you have any idea how many dogs all of those immigrants will eat? None of our pets will be safe NONE of them I say! Plus latest statistics suggest that 299,997 of those immigrants are Muslims who have been genetically engineered to have highly explosive blood. If they start mingling with the general population and then someone lights a match? Boom, guys. Game over. Game ****ing over. AND that's not to mention the fact that, unlike us in the UK, immigrant fetuses have a gestation period of only 3 weeks instead of 9 months. Immigrant women have, on average, 27.9 children meaning that each family has an annual benefits bill of 1.72 million pounds. Think they'll be required to seek work? THINK AGAIN. All immigrants are deemed unfit for work, as where we Brits have hands, immigrants only have razor-sharp claw-like growths (and lack opposable thumbs).

Three hundred freaking thousand. Ladies and gentlemen, this truly is the end of days. Christians, grab your bibles. Jews, grab your... the first part of the bible(?). Jehovah's Witnesses, return to your homes and lock the doors. Atheists, just grab your balls and hold on for dear life. War is upon us. Each and every man, woman and child may be called upon to fight for our homes, for our lives, for our very souls at ANY given moment. To be perfectly frank - our battle will be futile - but what choice do we have? And let me ask you, will you die on your knees, or will you go down swinging?? I say we fight! I say we take to the streets in anger! I say we prepare a great HORSE with WINGS OF FIRE and GATLING GUNS attached to its mighty flanks, and we mount Nigel Farage upon that horse, and we go with him into the very heart of London and ask - nay, we DEMAND - that next year, Immigration be no more than 250,000. We can do this!


In a small country of around 65 million people, 300,000 is a lot in a year. I have no problem with people with skills coming here, I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers. but there is finite space and finite resources. Our infrastructure is already overstretched.

[arista]

Farage is in USA today giving a Talk.



What makes me Angry
is Illegals that hang under a lorry
and enter the UK
to work in the black market etc.


One bloke even drives over to bring them back

[RichardG]

I'm not one to panic about the country being overflown with immigrants any time soon and I don't have any strong opinions about the current system, I'm not overly fussed so long as they come here to work or invest, which I reckon the large majority probably do. Equally, however, I've never understood why people are labelled as racist for wanting to move to a skill based system like Canada or Australia. It seems sensible enough to me (so long as the intentions of the person suggesting it are in the right place). I'd love to move to Canada but know it's unlikely that will ever happen as I don't have a skill they demand, that doesn't mean Canada is full of racists!!

That being said I'd never vote UKIP, I don't think the situation is anywhere near as urgent as it would have to be to justify a party like them gaining any kind of power. D:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It does however prove that Nigel is and was bang on right about immigration


smh at the pathetic tories and their silly promises

[bots]

Lets have some perspective :laugh:

We need an inward stream of immigrants to fund our current pension demands, we can't have things both ways :laugh:

It is a side effect of europe, its not news, because we signed up to it many years ago and actively encourage it. If we want an insular society then vote to exit from europe and go back to border controls. My prediction however is that even if we did this, the immigrants would still come as we NEED them for our survival.

[user104658]

In a small country of around 65 million people, 300,000 is a lot in a year. I have no problem with people with skills coming here, I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers. but there is finite space and finite resources. Our infrastructure is already overstretched.

Yes but some of the hysteria... is really quite over the top, surely? Also worth pointing out - not sure why it hasn't been yet, unless I missed it - immigration is not "up 300,000" at all. It's gone up to (nearly) 300,000. It was, obviously, not previously zero. At the end of 2013, it's quite clear from the graph that immigration was at over 200,000. Immigration is actually up by around 90,000. The thread title and OP are a bit misleading, no?

[Livia]

Yes but some of the hysteria... is really quite over the top, surely? Also worth pointing out - not sure why it hasn't been yet, unless I missed it - immigration is not "up 300,000" at all. It's gone up to (nearly) 300,000. It was, obviously, not previously zero. At the end of 2013, it's quite clear from the graph that immigration was at over 200,000. Immigration is actually up by around 90,000. The thread title and OP are a bit misleading, no?

Maybe... but whichever way you slice it up, the fact remains that immigration is high and getting higher. It's not sustainable.

[user104658]

Lets have some perspective :laugh:

We need an inward stream of immigrants to fund our current pension demands, we can't have things both ways :laugh:

It is a side effect of europe, its not news, because we signed up to it many years ago and actively encourage it. If we want an insular society then vote to exit from europe and go back to border controls. My prediction however is that even if we did this, the immigrants would still come as we NEED them for our survival.

Correct. We have an aging population (damned baby-boomers) and if our own people won't breed, then we simply HAVE to import. But then, everyone is also wailing about how "people shouldn't be having more than two kids that they can't afford :nono: ". Sooo... you can't have it both ways, basically. Either our own population needs to increase the birth rate, or we need migrants, OR we need to start euthanizing the elderly.

I'm not particularly opposed to any of those three options, to be fair... but y'know... people really need to pick one.

[Livia]

Of course we need migrants. But not in the numbers we're currently accepting them. Canada, Australia, all seem to be managing with ageing populations without accepting everyone who wants to live there, you have to be of some worth to them, have something to offer the country before you're accepted or be a genuine asylum seeker. I don't see that as a bad thing.

[joeysteele]

I'm not one to panic about the country being overflown with immigrants any time soon and I don't have any strong opinions about the current system, I'm not overly fussed so long as they come here to work or invest, which I reckon the large majority probably do. Equally, however, I've never understood why people are labelled as racist for wanting to move to a skill based system like Canada or Australia. It seems sensible enough to me (so long as the intentions of the person suggesting it are in the right place). I'd love to move to Canada but know it's unlikely that will ever happen as I don't have a skill they demand, that doesn't mean Canada is full of racists!!

That being said I'd never vote UKIP, I don't think the situation is anywhere near as urgent as it would have to be to justify a party like them gaining any kind of power. D:

Exactly, I feel the same too.

[the truth]

When the last scrap of land has been built on, can we then have a sensible conversation about curbing immigration, without being labelled a racist?

nope. even if a radical blows a person up for drawing a cartoon youre not allowed to talk about it freely without the word racist being bandied about. strangely though those who do the blowing up are never called racists?

[Kizzy]

Here we go again... immigrants aligned with extremism.
Aren't most immigrants atm eastern European... how many of those sympathise with ISIS?

[the truth]

Here we go again... immigrants aligned with extremism.
Aren't most immigrants atm eastern European... how many of those sympathise with ISIS?

how many can we afford to drain from the state services? how many people suffer from reduced nhs care when the immigration increases by a million every 3 or 4 years....

[Kizzy]

how many can we afford to drain from the state services? how many people suffer from reduced nhs care when the immigration increases by a million every 3 or 4 years....

So it's immigration affecting the NHS now... What about immigrant doctors and nurses, don't you want those either?
Can you imagine waiting times without them?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Steven Woolfe MEP, the UKIP Migration spokesman.

"The Government should be ashamed of its abject failure to keep control of the constantly rising numbers of those arriving here", he said.

"This Government's policy is fatally holed beneath the water line and is sinking fast.

"The figures show that 624,000 people arrived here in the past year alone. To put that into perspective that is equivalent to the populations of both Liverpool and Aberdeen combined.

"More significantly perhaps is the fact that the net migration figure was just under 300,000 people.

"This is a 42% increase on the year on year figures from last year. That's a city the size of Hull settling here in the last 12 months.

"No Government can rationally plan to build the services required to cope with these numbers. The schools, the hospitals, the houses, the roads cannot be provided at such a speed, the capital costs required are huge and burden on the taxpayer will be even more strained.

"The Government has planned for failure by deceiving themselves and the country that they could keep these figures down to their infamous idea of "tens of thousands".

"During the course of this parliament, the Government has seen more than a million incomers settle permanently in the UK.

"According to the ONS there have been a "statistical significant" increase under every matrix they use including net long term migration, overall immigration, family reunions, national insurance numbers registered, and those coming here for employment and study.

Mr Woolfe continued, "Migration is one of the top concerns going into this election and it is clear that UKIP is the only party trusted to deal with it.

"We will set a cap on the number of people permitted to work and reside in the UK by introducing a fairer, and more transparent points based system ensuring we get the skilled immigrants we need and in numbers that the economy can manage."

http://www.ukip.org/david_cameron_has_permitted_an_extra_1_1_million_p eople_to_settle_in_the_uk_since_2010

[smudgie]

I think it is time something was done to stem the flow.
We do need immigrants to do the jobs we can't fill.
Perhaps we should have a points system for Europe, and also encourage more of our young people to train for skilled work, then encourage the unskilled people on the benefits to do the unskilled work.:shrug:
If only life was that simple.

[Marsh.]

Omg, Kizzy's sig. :joker:

[Kizzy]

It's just nice to see they have a view on something other than immigration isn't it?

[Cherie]

It's just nice to see they have a view on something other than immigration isn't it?

:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes, sigh

those big windmills are really keeping the national grid alive...


:fan:

[Kizzy]

yes, sigh

those big windmills are really keeping the national grid alive...


:fan:

They do in Denmark :fan:

[Vicky.]

Up North (County Durham)
there are houses at £1
but they can not sell them
15 mins report last night
on Ch4HD news

what? :S

[Crimson Dynamo]

They do in Denmark :fan:

The Danish pay the highest residential electricity rates in the European Union

:fan:

[Marsh.]

Up North (County Durham)
there are houses at £1
but they can not sell them
15 mins report last night
on Ch4HD news

I bought 20 this morning. Good deal.

[Kizzy]

The Danish pay the highest residential electricity rates in the European Union

:fan:

Nope that's due to tax, our base rate is one of the highest along with Ireland, Spain and Cyprus.

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2014.11.18/chart2.png

[Kizzy]

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/images/2014.11.18/main.png

Look what happened after 2010.

[Crimson Dynamo]

America have almost rid their dependency on foreign oil by Fracking

so well done to them

[Vicky.]

I want to know where these 1 quid houses are in durham...wouldnt mind snapping a few up given if I rented them out I would make 500+ times my investment in only a month...

[Kizzy]

America have almost rid their dependency on foreign oil by Fracking

so well done to them

Are we talking about oil now? right, so since 2010 electricity prices have more than doubled (in the UK)... what's happened to the oil prices?

[Kizzy]

I want to know where these 1 quid houses are in durham...wouldnt mind snapping a few up given if I rented them out I would make 500+ times my investment in only a month...

I remember something like this somewhere, you had to have enough in the bank to prove you could renovate the property adequately as part of a neighbourhood regeneration scheme.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are we talking about oil now? right, so since 2010 electricity prices have more than doubled (in the UK)... what's happened to the oil prices?

i dont follow where you are going?

[Marsh.]

i dont follow where you are going?

County Durham. :fan:

[Kizzy]

i dont follow where you are going?

Neither do I... You jumped from renewables in Denmark to fracking in the US and from electricity to oil :/

[Kizzy]

County Durham. :fan:

Let's follow the pink panther... he lives in durum, durum, durumdurumdurum

[Marsh.]

Let's follow the pink panther... he lives in durum, durum, durumdurumdurum

:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Here we go again... immigrants aligned with extremism.
Aren't most immigrants atm eastern European... how many of those sympathise with ISIS?

Six months ago, through an Albanian Kosovo Muslim tenant - a very nice, hardworking decent bloke - I took on the case of his friend, another Albanian Kosovo Muslim man who had a wife and child, and who had been wrongly refused a place on the local council's housing list. I successfully had the decision overturned and he was awarded a very nice 3 bedroom house in a very decent area, but over the 2 months which it took to achieve this, I got to know a significant number of Eastern European immigrants through him.

Whilst I never heard any of them declare any interest in the terrorism which is tearing the world apart, and therefore never heard them utter any support for IS, I did distinctly perceive that the majority of them do not actually like the British and actually witnessed derogatory remarks from some of them about the 'English'.

So no, they may not be aligned with extremism, but they're don't particularly align themselves with the UK or have sympathy with its indegenous people either - in my experience.

And the great majority of them are Muslims which could be a factor come any type of Armageddon fought on British soil.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Neither do I... You jumped from renewables in Denmark to fracking in the US and from electricity to oil :/

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/10177658/events/3844448

quick Kizzy, Nigel is on:dance:

[Kizzy]

Six months ago, through an Albanian Kosovo Muslim tenant - a very nice, hardworking decent bloke - I took on the case of his friend, another Albanian Kosovo Muslim man who had a wife and child, and who had been wrongly refused a place on the local council's housing list. I successfully had the decision overturned and he was awarded a very nice 3 bedroom house in a very decent area, but over the 2 months which it took to achieve this, I got to know a significant number of Eastern European immigrants through him.

Whilst I never heard any of them declare any interest in the terrorism which is tearing the world apart, and therefore never heard them utter any support for IS, I did distinctly perceive that the majority of them do not actually like the British and actually witnessed derogatory remarks from some of them about the 'English'.

So no, they may not be aligned with extremism, but they're don't particularly align themselves with the UK or have sympathy with its indegenous people either - in my experience.

And the great majority of them are Muslims which could be a factor come any type of Armageddon fought on British soil.

Oh are we talking again?... ok. The 1 or 2 people you came into contact with during this case I'm sure were very appreciative of your help and support, they may also have come into contact with people who are not so friendly and this could have coloured their perception of the English perhaps?

Your suggestion that in your hypothetical war they would automatically fight against us based solely on the fact they are Muslim is shocking... I will never subscribe to your skewed perception so if you're going to continue espousing these bizarre statements about Muslims could you direct them at someone else please and not me ?

[kirklancaster]

Oh are we talking again?... ok. The 1 or 2 people you came into contact with during this case I'm sure were very appreciative of your help and support, they may also have come into contact with people who are not so friendly and this could have coloured their perception of the English perhaps?

Your suggestion that in your hypothetical war they would automatically fight against us based solely on the fact they are Muslim is shocking... I will never subscribe to your skewed perception so if you're going to continue espousing these bizarre statements about Muslims could you direct them at someone else please and not me ?

I do not understand why you are allowed to be so vexatious, persistently nasty and rude, yet I am the one who keeps getting infractions and banned for innocuous responses to your insulting posts and having legitimate posts removed. But then again, I believe in debate and not in falsely reporting people when I am outargued.

Now, I have never "espoused bizarre statements about Muslims" so again - I challenge you to corroborate such a misrepresentation and prove just where I have.

As for the post you are responding to, I clearly said: " that the great majority of them are Muslims which could be a factor come any type of Armageddon fought on British soil."

Please NOTE the emboldened words; "COULD BE A FACTOR" which is not unequivocally definitive as YOU ONCE AGAIN SO DISHONESTLY MISREPRESENT BY SAYING THAT I SAID that: "they would automatically fight against us based solely on the fact they are Muslim is shocking.

I CLEARLY DID NOT SAY THAT DID I.

Further: YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN DISHONESTLY MISREPRESENTING WHAT I HAVE SAID IN A POST WHEN YOU STATE: [B]"The 1 or 2 people you came into contact with during this case I'm sure were very appreciative of your help and support, they may also have come into contact with people who are not so friendly and this could have coloured their perception of the English perhaps?"

BECAUSE I CLEARLY STATED: "But over the 2 months which it took to achieve this, I got to know a significant number of Eastern European immigrants through him.

Whilst I never heard any of them declare any interest in the terrorism which is tearing the world apart, and therefore never heard them utter any support for IS, I did distinctly perceive that the majority of them do not actually like the British and actually witnessed derogatory remarks from some of them about the 'English'.

Now, "A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF EASTERN EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS" is not "1 or 2 people" AS YOU CLAIM I SAID IS IT?

PLEASE STOP THIS UTTER DISHONESTY BECAUSE IT IS IMPOVERISHING THE QUALITY OF SERIOUS DEBATE ON THIS FORUM AND IT IS NOT FAIR.

Finally; when you write: "I will never subscribe to your skewed perception" , I could counter that it is your perception which is "skewed" not mine, because you consistently refuse to accept irrefutable TRUTHS, are consistently in a state of denial regarding immigration, terrorism, and politics, and repeatedly attack innocent remarks in posts because you wrongly perceive them to be racist or as attacks on working class people because of your overly defensive extreme left wing personal ideology.

Now I'll await my infraction or another ban - simply for defending myself against insult, rudeness, and dishonesty.

[Kizzy]

Sorry I just didn't agree with what you said, so what if some don't like a proportion of the English they meet, they might have been ignorant or arrogant... I don't like the English either then by that rationale.
Again if the discussion turns to religious leanings I'd prefer it if you didn't direct your posts at me as we clash on this subject as you know.

[the truth]

kirk some posters here work for the site, they get exclusive access to who votes on what poles and they frankly are favoured over others. it totally devalues the site.

[Kizzy]

I hope you don't mean me :/

[James]

kirk some posters here work for the site, they get exclusive access to who votes on what poles and they frankly are favoured over others. it totally devalues the site.

Truth, that isn't true.

[Niamh.]

kirk some posters here work for the site, they get exclusive access to who votes on what poles and they frankly are favoured over others. it totally devalues the site.

If you're talking about me here truth, anyone could have seen who you voted for on that Poll..........it was a public Poll :shrug: