US police shoot homeless man dead in Los Angeles

[Niamh.]

http://i.imgur.com/dWAvXNx.jpg

US police have shot and killed a homeless man during an altercation in central Los Angeles, in an incident caught on video.

The graphic film shows a violent struggle between the man and several officers in the city's Skid Row area.

Police say that three officers opened fire after the man tried to grab a gun from an officer.

Witnesses said the dead man was known as Africa and had been homeless after treatment for mental illness.

The LA police department said officers had been responding to reports of a robbery and had attempted to use a Taser to subdue the suspect but he had "continued fighting and resisting".

No other gun was recovered at the scene, LA police commander Andrew Smith said.

Last year, highly publicised killings of black men sparked weeks of protests in the US.

Hours after the latest shooting, the hash tag #LAPDShooting was trending on Twitter in the US.
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Shooting victim

Nicknamed Africa, had been living on the street for months, eyewitnesses say
Said to have spent 10 years in a mental health institution before winding up homeless
Said by people who knew him to have not been violent but still exhibited "mental problems"

Sources: LA Times and ABC News
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It is unclear from the video what exactly happened, the BBC's Alastair Leithead reports from Los Angeles.

The video begins with what appears to be a black man swinging punches at four police officers in daylight, near the tents and cardboard of a pavement homeless camp. Two other officers run up to join their colleagues.

As the man is knocked to the ground, a woman can be seen picking up a fallen police baton and a voice seems to shout "Give me my stick! Give me my stick!"

Several police officers turn to tackle the woman, in the foreground of the video, and her detention partially obscures what is happening with the man on the ground.

A voice can be heard shouting "Drop the gun!" four times before five shots ring out.

The police officers step away from the suspect lying on the ground and nobody approaches the body again for one minute 13 seconds, by which time police reinforcements have arrived.

The man taking the video can be heard swearing as he records it.

After the shooting, he can be heard saying. "Ain't nobody got no [obscenity] gun. I'm gonna record this [obscenity]... They just shot that man right here, man, they just shot that [obscenity] man right here, yeah."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31688942

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e6_1425257124

Looks like he grabbed an officers gun and they had to shoot.

Its america, cops have guns and people get shot

In the UK he would just have been arrested

[Crimson Dynamo]

and then people who do not understand what has occurred start abusing the cops, sad

[arista]

Typical of you to post a Biased report

If you are Homeless in the USA
do what the Police say
and fast.


I am Sick of Homeless in London
I want them Collected
and Dumped in Ireland

For every one they (the police camp) get
they are paid €500 cash

[Nedusa]

In view of the current actions the US police adopt in dealing with "undesireables" it comes as no surprise this man was shot.

He probably ticked every box in the list of reasons why he would be shot ie homeless, vagrant, black or of African origin, History of mental illness and resisted arrest and tried to steal the officers gun.

I would be more surprised if he wasn't shot.

Just another day in the office I guess for America's finest, keeping the streets safe for everyone. lol

[Niamh.]

Typical of you to post a Biased report

If you are Homeless in the USA
do what the Police say
and fast.


I am Sick of Homeless in London
I want them Collected
and Dumped in Ireland

Excuse me? I just posted the story from BBC world news. So rude Arista

[arista]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e6_1425257124

Looks like he grabbed an officers gun and they had to shoot.

Its america, cops have guns and people get shot

In the UK he would just have been arrested


Thank you LT
for giving us the Real Story

[arista]

Excuse me? I just posted the story from BBC world news. So rude Arista


Yes I can be Rude
its a Hard Working Day


Now LT gives us the Truth


Feck the BBC

[Niamh.]

Thank you LT
for giving us the Real Story

It does actually say in the report I posted that the man tried to grab the Police officers gun. You are really rude.

[arista]

It does actually say in the report I posted that the man tried to grab the Police officers gun. You are really rude.


Spank Me Later

[Iceman]

Typical of you to post a Biased report

If you are Homeless in the USA
do what the Police say
and fast.


I am Sick of Homeless in London
I want them Collected
and Dumped in Ireland

For every one they (the police camp) get
they are paid €500 cash

How about go **** yourself. Just because you have some weird issue with the BBC. No need to bring another country into it. You did this the other day talking about black people and gay people.

[arista]

How about go **** yourself. Just because you have some weird issue with the BBC. No need to bring another country into it. You did this the other day talking about black people and gay people.

No it gives you more jobs in the Camp
to control them
bunk beds
education
Garden skills
Making Mail Bags

€500 per piss head


Its a Great Offer


Note :There is nothing wrong with being gay

[arista]

Would you prefer me to do a new thread for this deal

[Iceman]

You're so ignorant Arista and it's clear for everyone to see.

[arista]

You're so ignorant Arista and it's clear for everyone to see.


No I am not
I get Corrected alot.


I trust your concern

[Iceman]

Yeah you get corrected because you are ignorant and you think you know it all. Maybe you should stick to threads where you can edit in 'HD' into the titles.

[arista]

Yeah you get corrected because you are ignorant and you think you know it all. Maybe you should stick to threads where you can edit in 'HD' into the titles.


No I assure every day I learn more
I am sorry if my Idea upset you
I did not want that

[Marsh.]

Typical of you to post a Biased report

If you are Homeless in the USA
do what the Police say
and fast.


I am Sick of Homeless in London
I want them Collected
and Dumped in Ireland

For every one they (the police camp) get
they are paid €500 cash

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:umm2:

Ok 300 Euros?

[AnnieK]

How is that report biased. You let your bbc agenda you blind you Arista

[arista]

How is that report biased. You let your bbc agenda you blind you Arista


It is as Only LT's Video gave us the Fast Truth


Not Blind
but able top get Breaking News Faster
from SkyNewsHD
and at 7 PM Ch4HD News

[arista]

Ok 300 Euros?


No LT €500
per piss head is a good deal
on a old army ship
paid in Real Cash at the port
per person they take
if the refuse any
we will find another nation to take the Cash

[Marsh.]

Sky is hardly a reputable news source. :umm2:

[arista]

Sky is hardly a reputable news source. :umm2:

Many who watch both Sky and BBC at the same time
not just me
see the Breaking News on Sky
then 5mins later its on BBC
Fact

Except Cliff Richard
as the BBC was corrupt pushing police

[AnnieK]

Both reports say the same thing....it is thought the man went for the cops gun. :shrug: How is one biased and the other fast truth?

[arista]

Both reports say the same thing....it is thought the man went for the cops gun. :shrug: How is one biased and the other fast truth?


Compare the 2 Videos
Case Closed

[Iceman]

Both reports say the same thing....it is thought the man went for the cops gun. :shrug: How is one biased and the other fast truth?

It's beacuse if Arista's whimsical hate of the BBC.

[Marsh.]

Many who watch both Sky and BBC at the same time
not just me
see the Breaking News on Sky
then 5mins later its on BBC
Fact

Except Cliff Richard
as the BBC was corrupt pushing police

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:umm2:

"You have reached your umm2 limit for Monday March 2. Please used other available smilies until 0.00 on March 3. Thank you for using this service."

[AnnieK]

Compare the 2 Videos
Case Closed

Not really but do carry on

[Josy]

This guy is clearly another product of a failing system, institutionalised for mental treatment for over ten years then allowed to leave and end up living on the streets, If he no longer satisfied the legal requirements for being in the hospital then he should have had the proper release counselling before being discharged, continued psychiatric examinations and provided with somewhere to live even if it was some sort of hostel.

As for the incident, if he did try to grab the gun then I suppose the officers do need to defend themselves although being killed for it is too severe, I really have no idea why these officers keep on shooting to kill, however the guy recording the video claims the man never had any gun at all...

[Crimson Dynamo]

This guy is clearly another product of a failing system, institutionalised for mental treatment for over ten years then allowed to leave and end up living on the streets, If he no longer satisfied the legal requirements for being in the hospital then he should have had the proper release counselling before being discharged, continued psychiatric examinations and provided with somewhere to live even if it was some sort of hostel.

As for the incident, if he did try to grab the gun then I suppose the officers do need to defend themselves although being killed for it is too severe, I really have no idea why these officers keep on shooting to kill, however the guy recording the video claims the man never had any gun at all...

to be fair the guy recording was far away and holding a phone trying to get a good shot so his utterings are not that reliable

[Marsh.]

"You have reached your umm2 limit for Monday March 2. Please used other available smilies until 0.00 on March 3. Thank you for using this service."

:fist:

[Josy]

to be fair the guy recording was far away and holding a phone trying to get a good shot so his utterings are not that reliable

At least one of the officers had a body camera on and as yet they haven't released any information from it to go on so I will take the guy that was standing there at the scene watching as a reliable witness for now.

[Marsh.]

to be fair the guy recording was far away and holding a phone trying to get a good shot so his utterings are not that reliable

Which is possibly the most disturbing thing about this incident for me. :unsure:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:fist:

:umm2:

[Josy]

Right pack it in with the smileys and stupid posts, this is the serious debates section, off you go to c&g if you are unable to take part in an adult conversation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

top DM comment below


"Don't EVER point a gun at a police officer. Also, if you are told to drop a weapon of ANY type, DROP it!"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2975139/Video-shows-Los-Angeles-police-officer-shoot-dead-homeless-man-broad-daylight.html#ixzz3TEkpB3m3

[Ninastar]

top DM comment below


"Don't EVER point a gun at a police officer. Also, if you are told to drop a weapon of ANY type, DROP it!"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2975139/Video-shows-Los-Angeles-police-officer-shoot-dead-homeless-man-broad-daylight.html#ixzz3TEkpB3m3

This, really. All these stories of how awful and corrupt US cops are... When really, just do as your ****ing told. You KNOW what will happen if you don't, so why take the chance? Yes, US cops are pretty ****ing crazy sometimes, but my god, when you have to deal with some of the **** they have to deal with, of course you would be.

What annoys me is that people who have NEVER been to the US act like it's one of the worst places in the world for blah blah blah. Most of this stuff is just exaggerated in the media. There's nothing more the media loves than slagging off America.

What I find even more disturbing is that people like to film these sort of events.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This, really. All these stories of how awful and corrupt US cops are... When really, just do as your ****ing told. You KNOW what will happen if you don't, so why take the chance? Yes, US cops are pretty ****ing crazy sometimes, but my god, when you have to deal with some of the **** they have to deal with, of course you would be.

What annoys me is that people who have NEVER been to the US act like it's one of the worst places in the world for blah blah blah. Most of this stuff is just exaggerated in the media. There's nothing more the media loves than slagging off America.

What I find even more disturbing is that people like to film these sort of events.

:clap1:

common sense as always from chaoticninastar

[Northern Monkey]

No it gives you more jobs in the Camp
to control them
bunk beds
education
Garden skills
Making Mail Bags

€500 per piss head


Its a Great Offer


Note :There is nothing wrong with being gay:joker:
You are my favourite poster:laugh:

[Kizzy]

It was an execution the other officers would have had to step back so the guy could be shot 5 times to avoid being hit. There was no attempt to taser him.

[Mokka]

I think the real issue is how we criminalize our mentally ill in this society.
This isn't a man who could have been working and participating as a contributing member of society as Arista would claim he needed to be doing to be of value...
This is a man who should have still had medical help for his mental health, and was turned out on the streets to fend for himself.
The outcome of his story was never going to end well.

That being said... 5 shots to kill seems excessive for this situation

[arista]

I think the real issue is how we criminalize our mentally ill in this society.
This isn't a man who could have been working and participating as a contributing member of society as Arista would claim he needed to be doing to be of value...
This is a man who should have still had medical help for his mental health, and was turned out on the streets to fend for himself.
The outcome of his story was never going to end well.

That being said... 5 shots to kill seems excessive for this situation


Not In America


A Land Built on the Gun

[Niamh.]

I think the real issue is how we criminalize our mentally ill in this society.
This isn't a man who could have been working and participating as a contributing member of society as Arista would claim he needed to be doing to be of value...
This is a man who should have still had medical help for his mental health, and was turned out on the streets to fend for himself.
The outcome of his story was never going to end well.

That being said... 5 shots to kill seems excessive for this situation

Yep, have to agree with all of this

[arista]

It was an execution the other officers would have had to step back so the guy could be shot 5 times to avoid being hit. There was no attempt to taser him.


Only because the Homeless man
stole a Policemans gun FAST


In America you do what the police say
and Fast
I have Worked there.

[GiRTh]

top DM comment below


"Don't EVER point a gun at a police officer. Also, if you are told to drop a weapon of ANY type, DROP it!"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2975139/Video-shows-Los-Angeles-police-officer-shoot-dead-homeless-man-broad-daylight.html#ixzz3TEkpB3m3CLiven Bundy did both of those and even went on TV and told them he was gonna do it. HE was arrested not shot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

[Crimson Dynamo]

CLiven Bundy did both of those and even went on TV and told them he was gonna do it. HE was arrested not shot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff


Not what this thread is about girth. Stick to the story.

[JoshBB]

Typical of you to post a Biased report

If you are Homeless in the USA
do what the Police say
and fast.


I am Sick of Homeless in London
I want them Collected
and Dumped in Ireland

For every one they (the police camp) get
they are paid €500 cash

They are human beings, not burdens placed on our streets. I am fairly certain they didn't chose to be homeless.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They are human beings, not burdens placed on our streets. I am fairly certain they didn't chose to be homeless.

At least arista is offering them work and a better life in Eireland

[GiRTh]

Not what this thread is about girth. Stick to the story.You seemed to be pointing out that if you point a gun at the police then you deserve to get shot and killed. I'm pointing out that its not always the case. Some criminals who blatantly flout the law like Bundy are allowed to surrender. How is it not relevant?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No. I was showing what the top comment was on dm

[Mokka]

You seemed to be pointing out that if you point a gun at the police then you deserve to get shot and killed. I'm pointing out that its not always the case. Some criminals who blatantly flout the law like Bundy are allowed to surrender. How is it not relevant?

I agree, your point was quite relevant

[Niamh.]

No. I was showing what the top comment was on dm
So why can't Girth discuss that Top comment that you posted? :think:

[Marsh.]

So why can't Girth discuss that Top comment that you posted? :think:

Stop commenting on that comment Girth made about LT's comment on that top comment from Daily Mail. :nono:

[GiRTh]

No. I was showing what the top comment was on dmHow is the top comment on DM relevant? Was it made by a forum member? IF not then why did you post it?

[Tom4784]

Another day, another shooting in America.

From what I read of reports, the police officers involved handled this situation horribly.

[Mokka]

Stop commenting on that comment Girth made about LT's comment on that top comment from Daily Mail. :nono:

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Marsh modding like a pro

:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one has said what the officer should have done instead?

[Crimson Dynamo]

CLiven Bundy did both of those and even went on TV and told them he was gonna do it. HE was arrested not shot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

How in any way is that the same as a close grapple with a mentally derranged man who grabs a cops gun with the intention of shooting him?

[GiRTh]

No one has said what the officer should have done instead?
:joker: They somehow arrested Bundy with out shooting him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: They somehow arrested Bundy with out shooting him.


Did you watch the video?

[Crimson Dynamo]

On liveleak

[GiRTh]

How in any way is that the same as a close grapple with a mentally derranged man who grabs a cops gun with the intention of shooting him?:joker: Is that a joke?

Bundy said on TV how he didnt respect the at police authority. His men were on record stating that they will shoot the officers and one boasted of how he had four in his sights but they somehow managed to arrest him without killing hm. How do yonot u think they did that? Who cares. All it shows is that it IS possible to end these disputes without fatalities. Its noted also in the Bundy case that the officers were told by authorities not to escalate the situation when the confrontation broke out. Maybe a little more of that kind of discretion is needed.

[GiRTh]

Did you watch the video?WHich one?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Liveleak

[GiRTh]

No. IS it different to the BBc vid?

[arista]

Another day, another shooting in America.

From what I read of reports, the police officers involved handled this situation horribly.


Dezzy Its America
Never Ever touch or pull out a Coppers Gun in USA
thats asking for death

The Police did the Right thing
All Legal

[arista]

No. IS it different to the BBc vid?


Yes it is

[GiRTh]

Have you posted it?

[GiRTh]

Seen it. Its the same vid? :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Seen it. Its the same vid? :shrug:


No, the link I posted was a biased account typical of me apparently, they couldn't possibly be the same video :omg:

[GiRTh]

No, the link I posted was a biased account typical of me apparently, they couldn't possibly be the same video :omg:I was looking for some different angle but its essentially the same vid but without the commentary. :shrug:

[GiRTh]

I dont know how they got Bundy to stand down but they did and that in itself shows these confrontations can be solved without fatalities.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How you think this fracas with a derranged homless man on skid row LA is related to some land dispute from back in the day in a coutry of 300 mill is beyond me

[arista]

Seen it. Its the same vid? :shrug:


Wrong the bbc pauses it


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e6_1425257124
This Does Not


FACT

[GiRTh]

How you think this fracas with a derranged homless man on skid row LA is related to some land dispute from back in the day in a coutry of 300 mill is beyond meHeh? :shrug:

EDIT: In fact Bundy was worse now you draw my attention to it. HE was a criminal this man wasnt.

Its not related per se but it shows me these confrontations can be handled without fatalities.

[GiRTh]

Wrong the bbc pauses it


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e6_1425257124
This Does Not


FACTDont get it. Please explain the difference and what the 2nd vid shows that the first didnt? The 2nd vid is the same but slightly longer without the commentary.
:shrug:

[arista]

the 1st bbc video Pauses bits

If you can not see that

I give up

[GiRTh]

Errm yeah but I dont see anything in the 2nd vid that is extra. Please explain

[arista]

Errm yeah but I dont see anything in the 2nd vid that is extra. Please explain


At last.


As for the 2nd video that just 40 seconds
pointless

[GiRTh]

At last.


As for the 2nd video that just 40 seconds
pointless
They pause it but its still the same footage? :shrug:

[arista]

They pause it but its still the same footage? :shrug:

No its not
edited
BBC must not shock Crap

[Marsh.]

The smiley's aren't looking so infantile now. :idc:

[Amy Jade]

Just watched video and how are people defending this? they shot him 5 times, he fell still after the first shot so quite why 4 other shots were fired is really beyond me.

[GiRTh]

No its not
edited
BBC must not shock Crap
Is that ll you're on about. Jeez. :rolleyes:

[arista]

Just watched video and how are people defending this? they shot him 5 times, he fell still after the first shot so quite why 4 other shots were fired is really beyond me.

I have Been in LA
you never ever touch a Cops Gun
unless you want to Die.


Its normal to Fire loads of shots
Police must be protected
Its America

[GiRTh]

I have Been in LA
you never ever touch a Cops Gun
unless you want to Die.


Its normal to Fire loads of shots
Police must be protected
Its AmericaWTF

The man had mental health issues maybe he didnt know what he was doing. Who cares though if you think its good that cop's 'fire loads of shots'.

[arista]

WTF

The man had mental health issues maybe he didnt know what he was doing. Who cares though if you think its good that cop's 'fire loads of shots'.


No One Must Ever grab a Cops Gun (USA)
I have seen it, go wrong
it not a good sight watching cops get shot

Its the Police Doing their Job,

[GiRTh]

No One Must Ever grab a Cops Gun (USA)
I have seen it, go wrong
it not a good sight watching cops get shot

Its the Police Doing their Job,You think the Police doing their job is killing homeless men with mental health issues?

[arista]

You think the Police doing their job is killing homeless men with mental health issues?


No its Anyone who grabs a Cops Gun
instant death or the Cops would Die.


Logic

[GiRTh]

No its Anyone who grabs a Cops Gun
instant death or the Cops would Die.


Logicd6N6X1ge4pc
Do you think the police handled this correctly and was it good that they fired loads of shots?

[arista]

I am about this Case only
not into your Millions of Videos


Sign Of The Times

[GiRTh]

I am about this Case only
not into your Millions of Videoes


Sign Of The TimesMy millions of vids show the police are out of control in USA. This just one story out of many. The police can do what they want and no one seems to care in fact people like you seems to admire the unnecessary violence. But then I suppose the people 'got what they were asking for' and any way its their problem not ours.

[GiRTh]

Police performing welfare check on elderly Army veteran end up killing him instead


When James Howard Allen’s family members asked police to stop by his home for a welfare check on Saturday, they were hoping authorities could help ensure he was safe.

Instead, their request set in motion a series of unlikely events that resulted in the 74-year-old North Carolina man’s death.

Allen was killed by an officer’s bullet, the result of a confrontation that occurred when officers from the Gastonia Police Department entered his home and found Allen, an Army veteran, pointing a handgun at them.

Now, relatives want answers, and two official investigations are underway.

“I am so hurt that he had to die like this,” Allen’s sister, Mary Battle, told ABC affiliate WSOC. “Maybe the police were frightened. Maybe they were. I don’t know. But he wouldn’t hurt a fly.”

Gastonia Police Chief Robert Helton said at a news conference that police were initially dispatched to the home around 10:20 p.m. on Saturday, according to the Charlotte Observer. When nobody answered the door, the officers left and were asked to perform a check of local hospitals in search of Allen.

At 11:30 p.m., after officers failed to locate him, police returned to Allen’s residence with local fire officials, according to the Observer.

“A decision was made to enter the house, concerned that he may be inside in need of emergency assistance,” said Helton, the police chief.

Before entering through the back door, Officer Josh Lefevers announced his presence, Helton said. Once inside, Lefevers encountered Allen, who was pointing a handgun at him.

“He was challenged to lower the gun down,” Helton said at a news conference. “The gun was pointed in the direction of the officers, and a shot was fired that fatally wounded him.”

Why did police feel the need to enter?

Authorities had been made aware that Allen recently underwent heart surgery, Helton said, according to the Gaston Gazette, and were “concerned that he may be inside in need of emergency assistance.”

Lefevers was placed on administrative leave while police conduct their own investigation, according to the Observer. The North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation is conducting a separate investigation into the shooting.

Allen’s family members are demanding more information. His brother-in-law, Robert Battle, told WSOC that Allen “probably woke up, someone’s breaking in on me, so when you’re by yourself you try to protect yourself.

A friend, Otis Thompson, said he can understand why Allen a gun in his hand.

“You kicked the man’s door in,” he told the station. “He’s disoriented and he’s in his own house, privacy of his own home; my first reaction would be to grab a gun, too.”This is the story Arista isnt interested in. BTW This happened just a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/09/police-performing-welfare-check-on-elderly-army-veteran-end-up-killing-him-instead/

[arista]

"This is the story Arista isnt interested in."


Not its Valid



But I am sticking to the Title
[USA: police shoot homeless man dead in Los Angeles]


Because you Never Ever gab a Cops Gun
Fact

[Toy Soldier]

Random, untrained crazy people managing to get hold of police officers' guns seems to happen a LOT in the US. Bit odd, isn't it? I think I have found the solution. They need to start training their officers in how not to be disarmed by random civilians. Seems like pretty basic stuff bur apparently not. Back to school, cops.

Tl;dr - a trained police officer should know how to keep hold of his firearm, if he doesn't he shouldn't have one in the first place

[Nedusa]

This, really. All these stories of how awful and corrupt US cops are... When really, just do as your ****ing told. You KNOW what will happen if you don't, so why take the chance? Yes, US cops are pretty ****ing crazy sometimes, but my god, when you have to deal with some of the **** they have to deal with, of course you would be.

What annoys me is that people who have NEVER been to the US act like it's one of the worst places in the world for blah blah blah. Most of this stuff is just exaggerated in the media. There's nothing more the media loves than slagging off America.

What I find even more disturbing is that people like to film these sort of events.

Sad thing is even if you put the "fcuking gun down"....... they will still probably shoot you.

It's a lose lose situation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

USA has a population of 300,000,000 and around 800,000 police

Its easy to take the odd story about the police and try and extrapolate this to represent all police. Every hour of the day thousands of good police stories happen in the USA but they dont make Youtube

Girth you just do not understand scale or law enforcement

[Nedusa]

Just watched video and how are people defending this? they shot him 5 times, he fell still after the first shot so quite why 4 other shots were fired is really beyond me.

Probably standard police procedure I'm afraid, they cant rely on a single shot as the victim may still be able to resist somehow so they pump another 3 or 4 bullets into him just to be sure.

There is no attempt to incapacitate or arrest a living person rather better to have a bit of shooting practice and let someone else sweep up the corpse afterwards.

Only in America..........:idc::idc:

[arista]

Probably standard police procedure I'm afraid, they cant rely on a single shot as the victim may still be able to resist somehow so they pump another 3 or 4 bullets into him just to be sure.

There is no attempt to incapacitate or arrest a living person rather better to have a bit of shooting practice and let someone else sweep up the corpse afterwards.

Only in America..........:idc::idc:

Bang On Right Nedusa

[Toy Soldier]

Probably standard police procedure I'm afraid, they cant rely on a single shot as the victim may still be able to resist somehow so they pump another 3 or 4 bullets into him just to be sure.

There is no attempt to incapacitate or arrest a living person rather better to have a bit of shooting practice and let someone else sweep up the corpse afterwards.

Only in America..........:idc::idc:

Yep, two shots center mass (chest) and one to the head, because even a headshot isn't a guaranteed kill. Of course if you have five armed men you can just sort of plug away and be fairly confident of one good shot in there somewhere.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think when you are thinking you are just about to be shot at close range you kind of pull the trigger a few times more
to be safe

[Kizzy]

There are two policemen punching him in the face... he isn't shooting anyone.

There seems to me a discrepancy between what we've been told and what we can actually see with out own eyes here.
Never has my sig been so apt.

[GiRTh]

USA has a population of 300,000,000 and around 800,000 police

Its easy to take the odd story about the police and try and extrapolate this to represent all police. Every hour of the day thousands of good police stories happen in the USA but they dont make Youtube

Girth you just do not understand scale or law enforcementI'll answer this seeing as it mentions me

Do you understand law enforcement? Dont pretend like you do. All I'm saying that USA police seem to be killing an alot of people unnecessarily IMO.

[GiRTh]

I think when you are thinking you are just about to be shot at close range you kind of pull the trigger a few times more
to be safeOK then have you been in that position?

[GiRTh]

HyoKuBq1qFM

I think executes is the right word.

[arista]

I think executed is the right word.
Yes Never Ever Touch or Grab a Cops Gun
in LA

[arista]

There are two policemen punching him in the face... he isn't shooting anyone.

There seems to me a discrepancy between what we've been told and what we can actually see with out own eyes here.
Never has my sig been so apt.

Sure but he crossed the line
and took a Cops Gun
that is instant death

[GiRTh]

Sure but he crossed the line
and took a Cops Gun
that is instant deathApparently he may not have had the cops gun. Watch the vid again.

[Kizzy]

Sure but he crossed the line
and took a Cops Gun
that is instant death

Do you see that happen... or are you just blindly following what you've been told?

These are acting like a militia not police.

[MTVN]

Hmm six armed police vs an unarmed homeless man who's apparently already been stunned, surely that situation can be resolved without shooting him dead? Of course the police have one of the hardest jobs in the country - especially in areas like this - and of course they do a lot of good work and most people value them for that, but that shouldn't make them immune to criticism or excuse them of any wrongdoing. The whole video is pretty indicative of a sorry state of affairs.

[GiRTh]

LAPD are now saying he 'reached' for the gun not that he had the gun.

[Kizzy]

The truth will out... even if it's played out in front of people and they fail to see it.

[arista]

LAPD are now saying he 'reached' for the gun not that he had the gun.


Yes Never Reach for the Gun
Instant death


Life in LAX

[GiRTh]

Yes Never Reach for the Gun
Instant death


Life in LAXUnbelievable.

[Brother Leon]

Poor Policing really. No two ways about it.

[arista]

Unbelievable.


Have you been to California
if I get time I Fly you out there
with me and my team

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Never Reach for the Gun
Instant death


Life in LAX

yup

you have to respect the law, no 2 ways about it. If a perp goes for a cops gun then he can expect death.

[GiRTh]

Another day in America another unarmed man shot by police.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/derek-cruice-shot-in-face_n_6805902.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another day in America another unarmed man shot by police.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/derek-cruice-shot-in-face_n_6805902.html

"They were met with resistance and a shooting incurred," Volusia County Sheriff Ben Johnson told My News 13.


yup. the lesson is do not resist arrest in USA

[GiRTh]

"They were met with resistance and a shooting incurred," Volusia County Sheriff Ben Johnson told My News 13.


yup. the lesson is do not resist arrest in USAThe police have confirmed he was unarmed and there was SWAT team present. \There are no reports of him reaching for any guns. The police are saying he resisted but once again the report show he was shot within two seconds of them entering the house. So I don t get how the Officer was so 'scared' - cuz that the excuse they always use - in this instance but you're right he resisted - according to police he resisted - but in my book that is not a bad enough crime for an execution in his own house.,

[Crimson Dynamo]

The police have confirmed he was unarmed and there was SWAT team present. \There are no reports of him reaching for any guns. The police are saying he resisted but once again the report show he was shot within two seconds of them entering the house. So I don t get how the Officer was so 'scared' - cuz that the excuse they always use - in this instance but you're right he resisted - according to police he resisted - but in my book that is not a bad enough crime for an execution in his own house.,

I guess you had to be there

[GiRTh]

I guess you had to be thereOK so you accept there is a nuance to this kind of issue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

OK so you accept there is a nuance to this kind of issue?

The police will treat each incidence differently but have training and procedure to fall back on

[GiRTh]

The police will treat each incidence differently but have training and procedure to fall back onSo when confronted by a semi naked unarmed man the procedure is to shoot first.

[arista]

Unbelievable.

You should fly out there
and check LA Police being killed
its not nice

[GiRTh]

You should fly out there
and check LA Police being killed
its not nice
Been and seen it. Still doesn't excuse cops killing so many unarmed citizens

[Crimson Dynamo]

So when confronted by a semi naked unarmed man the procedure is to shoot first.

No you do not know he was unarmed

sounds like he was a dealer

[GiRTh]

No you do not know he was unarmed

sounds like he was a dealerThe police have confirmed he was unarmed. Every report states he had no shirt on so let accept he was unarmed. :thumbs:

[arista]

Been and seen it. Still doesn't excuse cops killing so many unarmed citizens

It depends if they cross the line.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The police have confirmed he was unarmed. Every report states he had no shirt on so let accept he was unarmed. :thumbs:

in the report the law enforcement officer said that he could not confirm that :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

edit

now they say he was not armed (but they did not know that for sure at the time obviously)

Cruice allegedly “advanced on a member of the SWAT Team who was entering the residence,”

bad move from the perp when facing a swat team shouting to get down

[GiRTh]

in the report the law enforcement officer said that he could not confirm that :shrug:
The 14th line of the article states the following

The sheriff's department confirmed that Cruice was unarmed at the time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"It seems likely that Cruice was dealing pot. The police say they found a ledger book, a scale, about a half-pound of marijuana and some cash. It also seems likely that if the police had simply knocked on the door and waited, or apprehended Cruice as he was coming or going, Cruice would be still be alive. This insistence on serving drug warrants by barreling into homes creates needless violence, confusion and confrontation. They’re designed to do this. I doubt that Cruice knowingly decided to take on a raiding police team armed only with his basketball shorts. It seems far more likely that he thought they were criminal intruders and was either trying to confront them, or was trying to escape. But there is no room for errors in judgment for the people on the receiving end of these raids — even though sowing confusion and disorientation are the stated aim. But it is only the suspects, the targets of the raids, who are expected to do everything right. When the police screw up and kill someone, they’re generally forgiven, owing again to the volatility of the situation."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/03/06/another-day-another-drug-raid-fatality/


welcome to America, have a nice day

[GiRTh]

edit

now they say he was not armed (but they did not know that for sure at the time obviously)

Cruice allegedly “advanced on a member of the SWAT Team who was entering the residence,”

bad move from the perp when facing a swat team shouting to get downYou're adding bits onto the story. Why dont we stick to what has been reported. As I pointed out, the man had no shirt on so I dont see how the officer was unsure. He had to be some kind of master criminal to conceal a weapon in that state at 6 in the morning. But you're right he resisted so they shot him..

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're adding bits onto the story. Why dont we stick to what has been reported. As I pointed out, the man had no shirt on so I dont see how the officer was unsure. He had to be some kind of master criminal to conceal a weapon in that state at 6 in the morning. But you're right he resisted so they shot him..

no i am not, how do you think they know he has not got a gun in his waistband at the back?

or one nearbye at the door?

[GiRTh]

"It seems likely that Cruice was dealing pot. The police say they found a ledger book, a scale, about a half-pound of marijuana and some cash. It also seems likely that if the police had simply knocked on the door and waited, or apprehended Cruice as he was coming or going, Cruice would be still be alive. This insistence on serving drug warrants by barreling into homes creates needless violence, confusion and confrontation. They’re designed to do this. I doubt that Cruice knowingly decided to take on a raiding police team armed only with his basketball shorts. It seems far more likely that he thought they were criminal intruders and was either trying to confront them, or was trying to escape. But there is no room for errors in judgment for the people on the receiving end of these raids — even though sowing confusion and disorientation are the stated aim. But it is only the suspects, the targets of the raids, who are expected to do everything right. When the police screw up and kill someone, they’re generally forgiven, owing again to the volatility of the situation."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/03/06/another-day-another-drug-raid-fatality/


welcome to America, have a nice dayThis is all speculation but if you want to believe then so be it. :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is all speculation but if you want to believe then so be it. :thumbs:

its better than thinking that all police are psychotic murderers

:idc:

[GiRTh]

no i am not, how do you think they know he has not got a gun in his waistband at the back?

or one nearbye at the door?Adding more and more and more. IF this is how you justify you're attitude then good luck to you but I'd rather stick to what has been reported

[GiRTh]

its better than thinking that all police are psychotic murderers

:idc:You picked one paragraph out of an article that was quite fair to justify your attitude.

[GiRTh]

its better than thinking that all police are psychotic murderers

:idc:LMAO

I bet my vision of police is alot more accurate than yours.,

[GiRTh]

SO much in that article you could have picked out but you picked the only bit that fits your attitude.

If he was shot in the doorway, it seems unlikely he had much time to process what was going on around him. In fact, not only was Cruice unarmed, according to his roommates, he was wearing only basketball shorts. The roommates also dispute the police account that Cruice “advanced” on them.

He was only wearing shorts but naturally he had a concealed weapon eh?

[Crimson Dynamo]

SO much in that article you could have picked out but you picked the only bit that fits your attitude.

yeah, i am listening intently to his room mates

:joker:

[GiRTh]

So judging from the many, many prior incidents similar to this one, it’s probably safe to say that this officer will be cleared of any wrongdoing. It’s also probably safe to say that any investigation will determine that there’s nothing wrong with the police department’s warrant service policies. At least that’s how these investigations usually go. And if it is determined that the cops in these cases are following policy, and that there’s nothing wrong with the policies themselves, then the only conclusion we can draw is that the police agencies believe unarmed men getting shot in the face is an acceptable consequence of the effort to stop people from getting high on marijuana.Another section of the article./ Why dont you post all of it?

[GiRTh]

yeah, i am listening intently to his room mates

:joker:No cops are rushing to shout him down and say he's lying so what was your point again?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No cops are rushing to shout him down and say he's lying so what was your point again?

they do not get involved with witness statements ie comment on them

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another section of the article./ Why dont you post all of it?

too long

[GiRTh]

they do not get involved with witness statements ie comment on them

The police official statement is very close to the eye witness who you wish to discredit.

[GiRTh]

too longI'd agree with that so why only post the bit that supports your attitude.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The police official statement is very close to the eye witness who you wish to discredit.


i await the end of the investigation

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd agree with that so why only post the bit that supports your attitude.

i posted the crux

[MTVN]

"It seems likely that Cruice was dealing pot. The police say they found a ledger book, a scale, about a half-pound of marijuana and some cash. It also seems likely that if the police had simply knocked on the door and waited, or apprehended Cruice as he was coming or going, Cruice would be still be alive. This insistence on serving drug warrants by barreling into homes creates needless violence, confusion and confrontation. They’re designed to do this. I doubt that Cruice knowingly decided to take on a raiding police team armed only with his basketball shorts. It seems far more likely that he thought they were criminal intruders and was either trying to confront them, or was trying to escape. But there is no room for errors in judgment for the people on the receiving end of these raids — even though sowing confusion and disorientation are the stated aim. But it is only the suspects, the targets of the raids, who are expected to do everything right. When the police screw up and kill someone, they’re generally forgiven, owing again to the volatility of the situation."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/03/06/another-day-another-drug-raid-fatality/


welcome to America, have a nice day

This is critical of police procedure if anything? Saying it's a pretty messed up situation in the first place to have an armed Swat team barrelling into someone's home without warning over half a pound of mairjuana

[GiRTh]

i await the end of the investigationWE both know that will be bullsh*t but we'll see if anything comes of this incident.

[GiRTh]

i posted the cruxYou posted one small section of it

[Marsh.]

How does a homeless man have roommates?

[Crimson Dynamo]

WE both know that will be bullsh*t but we'll see if anything comes of this incident.

girth you and i know the situation in the US

Guns lead to death


hell until the country stops believing in fake gods there is no hope for it

the madness will continue

[GiRTh]

girth you and i know the situation in the US

Guns lead to death


hell until the country stops believing in fake gods there is no hope for it

the madness will continue
Guns may lead to deaths but the police are getting it wrong alot of times IMO