Theresa May: Child abuse in the UK runs far deeper than you know

[Kizzy]

Is this a cop out, Why not probe individuals?
There must be a list of names with which to base an inquiry..If there have been institutions that have harbored abusers then yes expose them, how though are they going to link in those who are outside of organisations?


'The inquiry won’t probe individuals but where there is evidence a person has abused their position – no matter how high or how low that position – it will be passed to the police to investigate.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11471282/Theresa-May-Child-abuse-in-the-UK-runs-far-deeper-than-you-know.html

[joeysteele]

If they know that then get on and do something about it.
This woman is totally useless.
However to be a bit fair to her, this is something that has been allowed to develop over decades under all govts:

[Crimson Dynamo]

language timothy

[JoshBB]

"this issue is more complex than i thought so now i will use that as an excuse to sit back a bit and maybe delay solving the problem for a few years"

[smudgie]

Looks like it is all systems go..at last.

Only fitting that individuals are investigated by the police rather than probed by the enquiry, it needs to be seen to be all above board.
I should imagine there will be people n high places losng sleep over this.

[Kizzy]

If that were the case then fine I just hope it's not a get out clause, or that the spotlight thrust on one organisation so intently that others are allowed to slither under it.

[smudgie]

If that were the case then fine I just hope it's not a get out clause, or that the spotlight thrust on one organisation so intently that others are allowed to slither under it.

Me too Kizzy.
These evil perverts need bringing to justice.

[lostalex]

well she's right.

The vast majority of child abuse occurs in the home, by fathers/uncles/grandpas/brothers against young girls. And unfortunately the family protects its patriarchs.

The fact that she is only talking about the public institutions means that she is still missing the mark though. most of the abuse is happening in family homes.

If you really want to tackle child abuse, you have to attack the entire patriarchal society. especially the patriarchs in the home.

[Kizzy]

The inquiry is relating to institutional historical abuse, of course all abuse of minors and is against the law and should be investigated that goes without question.

[Mystic Mock]

Is this to try and distract from what the two leading Government Parties have been doing for decades?

[Kizzy]

'Scotland Yard is to be investigated for alleged corruption over claims it covered up child abuse because police and MPs were involved.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission will carry out the investigation into the actions of the Metropolitan Police.

There are 14 referrals which detail alleged corruption dating back to the 1970s and stretching into the 2000s.

Sarah Green, deputy chair of the IPCC, said: "These allegations are of historic, high level corruption of the most serious nature. We will oversee the investigations and ensure that they meet the terms of reference that we will set.'

http://news.sky.com/story/1445978/met-investigated-over-child-sex-cover-up-claims

Allegations being investigated as set out by the IPCC include:

A potential cover-up linked to "failures to properly investigate child sex abuse offences in south London and further information about criminal allegations against a politician being dropped"
A claim that an investigation into young men being targeted at the Dolphin Square flats in Pimlico, south-west London, was halted because "officers were too near prominent people"
An allegation that a document from the Houses of Parliament was found at a paedophile's address linking "highly-prominent individuals", including MPs and senior police officers, to a paedophile ring but no further action was taken
Alleged alteration of a child sex abuse victim's account to remove the name of a senior politician
Alleged child sex abuse by a senior politician and a subsequent cover-up of the alleged crimes
Claims that a surveillance operation of a child abuse ring was shut down due to "high-profile people being involved"
An allegation that police officers sexually abused a boy and carried out surveillance on him

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31907201

[arista]

Kizzy I am getting sick of this London one
if we can not get MP's names
gives us the Cops name of that time

Why bring it up every day with no proof?

Get the proof first

[Kizzy]

Kizzy I am getting sick of this London one
if we can not get MP's names
gives us the Cops name of that time

Why bring it up every day with no proof?

Get the proof first

We've waited decades... a little longer makes no odds.

[Kizzy]

Panic on the streets of London?...

'Detectives who had gained evidence of child abuse against the Liberal MP Cyril Smith and a member of the intelligence services were threatened with the Official Secrets Act if they did not drop the case, a police whistleblower has claimed.

The undercover police operation was scrapped shortly after detectives moved in to make arrests, the police source told BBC’s Newsnight programme.

Police officers questioned Smith during the inquiry in the early 1980s, which targeted properties in south London where it was suspected sex parties were hosted involving teenage boys, but he was released within hours of being taken to a police station, it said. Smith and others were caught abusing children, but officers were ordered to hand over all their evidence – including notebooks and video footage – and warned to keep quiet about the investigation or face prosecution under the Official Secrets Act.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/17/police-told-drop-child-abuse-case-against-cyril-smith-whistleblower

[Nedusa]

We may never know the full facts in this case and more importantly who was involved. The suspects are possibly very high up in the Govt and or may be high level Judges/Police Chiefs/Barristers etc...

So the truth will never be known as no investigation will ever be allowed to uncover the truth. This is upsetting for the alleged victims but as our National security could be affected by this case then I'm afraid it's time to move on as nobody will be allowed to dig too deep.

[Kizzy]

We may never know the full facts in this case and more importantly who was involved. The suspects are possibly very high up in the Govt and or may be high level Judges/Police Chiefs/Barristers etc...

So the truth will never be known as no investigation will ever be allowed to uncover the truth. This is upsetting for the alleged victims but as our National security could be affected by this case then I'm afraid it's time to move on as nobody will be allowed to dig too deep.

The only people who are allowed to get away with abuse are the people who make our laws and enforce them...
How would it affect national security to expose those involved?

[Nedusa]

I know terrible isn't it, but these are very powerful people and collectively they hold all the reins of power even more so if the security services are involved.

Good luck to anyone who thinks they can take on the Govt and it's security agencies. I think you will hit a brick wall in more ways than one.

[arista]

I know terrible isn't it, but these are very powerful people and collectively they hold all the reins of power even more so if the security services are involved.

Good luck to anyone who thinks they can take on the Govt and it's security agencies. I think you will hit a brick wall in more ways than one.


Yes and many are dead now.

[arista]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02881/CYRIL-SMITH_2881978k.jpg

Guilty

[Kizzy]

We only know about the dead ones... We want to know about the ones still living.

Keeping the pressure on...

tom_watson ✔ @tom_watson
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It is now clear that @David_Cameron should publicly lift the threat of the Official Secrets Act to former officers who investigated abuse.

John Mann MP ✔ @JohnMannMP
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Why did Tories and Lib Dems vote down my amendment on immunity from prosecution re Official Secrets Act on child abuse evidence last month?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/17/police-told-drop-child-abuse-case-against-cyril-smith-whistleblower

[arista]

Nothing New
Kizzy.

And will any of this be in your Lifetime?>?

[Kizzy]

It is new, that's why the big hooha surrounding it, and yes I hope in my lifetime we can have a government that doesn't close ranks around child abusers.

[Nedusa]

This will only come out when the last of the offenders are dead and even then the families may be so powerful that even then it will stay covered up.

Sad for the victims but too much at stake to open this particular can of worms.

[Kizzy]

If they won't open it I hope it's forced open and all the corruption and depravity explodes in their face.

[Nedusa]

Yes.......that would truly be a day to remember

[Kizzy]

'More than 1,400 suspects have been investigated by police looking into child sex abuse allegations against VIPs including politicians, celebrities and institutions.

A national police group, known as Operation Hydrant, released the figures at a briefing on its inquiry into possible links between child sex abuse investigations involving public figures currently being run by different forces across the country.

Chief Constable Simon Bailey, chair of the group, told the briefing that out of 1,433 alleged offenders identified nationwide, 76 were politicians, 43 were from the music industry, seven were from sport and 135 were from the TV, film or radio industries. Some 216 are now dead.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/20/1400-suspects-operation-hydrant-politician-and-celebrity-child-sex-abuse-inquiry

[arista]

I hope now the MP that was part of this
Child Boy Rape & Evil Murder
is Fully Named now

Even if its that Labour Peer
Lets have his Name , even if he is dead.

[Z]

A boy I used to be friends with's father was accused of being part of a paedophile ring a few years ago, allegedly abusing a disabled girl along with some police officers and other public figures in the local area. It was never proven and I've no idea whether there's any substance to those claims but it's certainly not new to hear about institutionalised sexual abuse. I suppose it's a good thing that it's being investigated en masse?

[the truth]

Is this a cop out, Why not probe individuals?
There must be a list of names with which to base an inquiry..If there have been institutions that have harbored abusers then yes expose them, how though are they going to link in those who are outside of organisations?


'The inquiry won’t probe individuals but where there is evidence a person has abused their position – no matter how high or how low that position – it will be passed to the police to investigate.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11471282/Theresa-May-Child-abuse-in-the-UK-runs-far-deeper-than-you-know.html

why didnt your party investigate , rotherham for example happened under new labour as did the horrific stafford hospital neglect and abuses of thousands....at least the tories are encouraging trouble shooters

[Kizzy]

why didnt your party investigate , rotherham for example happened under new labour as did the horrific stafford hospital neglect and abuses of thousands....at least the tories are encouraging trouble shooters

My party?....

Tom Watson raised the issue of peadophilia within Westminster during televised PM question time some time ago, that thrust institutionalised abuse into the media spotlight.

[the truth]

My party?....

Tom Watson raised the issue of peadophilia within Westminster during televised PM question time some time ago, that thrust institutionalised abuse into the media spotlight.
WAY TO AVOID THE QUESTION, so predictable so new labour zzzzzzz get with the programme, spin is dead mate

[Kizzy]

WAY TO AVOID THE QUESTION, so predictable so new labour zzzzzzz get with the programme, spin is dead mate

How about you stick to the topic of my thread? If you want to debate other issues I suggest you start your own discussion.

[the truth]

How about you stick to the topic of my thread? If you want to debate other issues I suggest you start your own discussion.

I did, you didn't, you just cant handle THE TRUTH:dance:

[Kizzy]

I did, you didn't, you just cant handle THE TRUTH:dance:

That's not true, I'm just not beholden to pander to you as you derail the thread.

[Z]

That's not true, I'm just not beholden to pander to you as you derail the thread.

You can't handle Z doesn't have the same ring to it

[the truth]

tories cleaning up new labours mess again
the abuses in Rotherham all happened under new labours watch , mostly by ARABS but new labour banned everyone from talking about is....we cant talk about ARABS...But WE CAN ILLEGALLY BOMB A MILLION ARABS TO DEATH IN THE MIDDLE EAST?

[Kizzy]

'The independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has opened, nearly a year after it was first announced.
It will examine how public bodies handled their duty of care to protect children from abuse.
Justice Lowell Goddard, who chairs the inquiry, is summarising how it will be run, including timescales and the areas of public life that will be examined.
She said sexual abuse of children had left "scars" on victims and society.
The inquiry was first announced by Home Secretary Theresa May in July 2014.
It followed claims of a high-level cover-up of child sex abuse involving public figures, including politicians'.

Great news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33442588

[Kizzy]

:suspect:

Information provided by alleged child abuse victims to the overarching inquiry set up by Theresa May has been deleted due to a blunder, it has emerged.

Submissions sent through an online form to the inquiry between 14 September and 2 October were “instantly and permanently deleted” on Thursday before they reached staff.

The information had been sent to the “share your experience” section of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA) website, set up for victims and survivors wanting to share their experiences with officials working on the probe.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/15/submissions-to-theresa-mays-child-sex-abuse-inquiry-accidentally-deleted

[empire]

the fact that the rich and powerful will never be caught, it is the slum dogs that get caught, I read two books about fred and rose west, and their is information that was never brought out after 15 years, both killed alot more than 12, women and young girls, in the book they made snuff videos, with girls and women being raped and tortured to death, fred sold them to powerful people for 150 pounds which was a good bit of money at the time, they even had a brothel upstairs and they had a client book that had names with people in high places of society, for a reason the police said that they had lost it, what the mp said is true, it runs far deeper, F an R west weren't just some inbred hillbillies with a sick fetish fantasy, but they where the slum dogs who where not that powerful enough to be protected, fred west took 90 percent of his secrets to his grave, which means no cans with worms will be opened.

[Kizzy]

Update..

'The independent inquiry into child sex abuse in the UK is to focus on the Anglican and Catholic church, local councils, schools and youth offender institutes and prominent figures in Westminster politics.

Outlining a dozen lines of inquiry which will each hold public hearings with victims, witnesses and experts, chair Justice Lowell Goddard said churches and councils in Lambeth, Nottinghamshire and Rochdale would be among the first areas investigated.

The investigation was set up last year following claims of a high-level cover-up of abuse and has been beset by delays following the resignations of two previous chairwomen. It will be Britain’s largest-ever public inquiry and is expected to take up to five years and cost tens of millions of pounds.

Goddard said high-profile allegations against “current and former MPs” as well as “members of the intelligence and security agencies” would be included in the inquiry, adding that “allegations of a cover-up” in Westminster would be investigated.

She said: “The investigation will focus on high-profile allegations of child sexual abuse involving current or former members of parliament, senior civil servants, government advisers and members of intelligence and security agencies.

“It will consider allegations of cover-up and conspiracy and review the adequacy of law enforcement responses to these allegations.”

The investigation will also focus on child sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic and Anglican churches following a series of scandals involving senior clergymen, she said, adding that regional centres for victims to come forward would be set up next year.'

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/nov/27/child-sex-abuse-inquiry-to-focus-on-churches-and-politicians

[Kizzy]

Knew nobody affected would get any justice...

'Police forces around the UK should save money by cutting back on investigations of historic child sex abuse, a Conservative peer has said.

Lord Lawson, who was Margaret Thatcher’s chancellor in the 1980s, said the police should not complain about a lack of resources for security work while the probes were being conducted.

“Security is essential. It's vital. But I think the police are complaining a little bit too much,” he told BBC One’s Andrew Mar Show on Sunday.

“Look at how much the police is spending now on chasing up often unsubstantiated accusations of historic sex abuse.

“That's got nothing to do with security. Those resources should be put where the need is."

The Daily Express newspaper reports that the costs of such investigations around £3.4m, a relatively small portion of the £8.2bn 2015-16 central government police budget.

The Government is making cuts of £300m to this amount in a year, according to figures from late 2014.'


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-peer-suggests-police-should-stop-funding-historical-sex-abuse-allegations-to-save-money-a6745126.html

[DemolitionRed]

WAY TO AVOID THE QUESTION, so predictable so new labour zzzzzzz get with the programme, spin is dead mate

FFS, this isn't about Labour versus Tory. Stop trivializing. :nono: